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Post by stokief on Sept 28, 2024 9:24:47 GMT
I've been trying to understand exactly why Walters has homed in on Pelach as seemingly the only man he wanted for the job - because it's not his CV - The only theory that makes sense to me is that Ben Gibson has bigged him up to JW all summer (& before?) Perhaps others have been saying similar but haven't seen anything else other than Gibsons comments I think it's just that, what you say. What's more miraculous is how Walters himself got the Director of Football role with nothing more on his CV than 3 months at Fleetwood. I think it's like house buying in the end, you just get a good feeling about somewhere and all your initial requirements go out the window. He has been a player at the highest level at this Club, he has earned his Coaching badges and has a Masters in Sports Directorship. Everyone has to be given a gig somewhere at the start of their career or how would we ever gain vital experience.  |
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 28, 2024 9:30:20 GMT
Absolutely. We need to give this guy time now in NP we trust this is just a question , but why should we give him time when no other recent manager as ? Yeh good question mate but I think we are guna run out of managers 😃 Seriously though I now think we can’t keep going through managers like we have. There was obviously a problem with Schumacher who I did like but he was getting negative. We have learnt that 2 senior managers turned us down before ss got the job and I just think no one will want it. I know it’s only talk at the minute but I think NP is the sort of HC we need. Yes he is unknown. It sounds like his work ethic is like coberan, bielsa etc. it may take him a while but it’s proven that changing managers isn’t working at this club. I’m in on it anyways here’s hoping 🤞 |
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 28, 2024 9:53:01 GMT
I don't care how we got him, I like him. He has an aura about him that we haven't seen in other managers/coaches. People who impress get talked about, he's obviously caught people's eye This is exactly how I view it 👍 |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 28, 2024 9:53:45 GMT
Goarnn Narcis!!
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Post by ChesterStokie on Sept 28, 2024 9:55:09 GMT
I don't care how we got him, I like him. He has an aura about him that we haven't seen in other managers/coaches. People who impress get talked about, he's obviously caught people's eye I suspect he’s a marmite sort of guy. For every Gibson who loves him there will be someone who really doesn’t like his style, the extra hours, long meetings etc. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 28, 2024 9:56:54 GMT
None of this feels quite right Yes it does Take the L out of his last name and we could have found a right peach 🍑 |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 28, 2024 10:08:01 GMT
All I'm saying is, an opinion from 1 guy who's been at the club for a couple of months won't hold that much sway in the grand scheme of things. Absolutely shouldn't do However how else has Pelach caught JW attention? I think you have to look at the Bielsa, Corberan link. Bielsa was a great Championship manager who appointed an unknown Spanish coach from Leed's academy as his assistant. Huddersfield then brought this coach in as manager. He excelled getting them into the playoffs in his second season. After a short interlude at Olympiakos he came back to the Championship with WBA where in my opinion he has proved himself to be the best manager in the Championship. If you were looking for a different type of manager, a relative unknown, you would look at coaches who have worked with Bielsa or Corberan and find Pelach seeming to be following a similar path to Corberan. I'm sure Gibson was asked his opinion but I am just as certain that in inner football circles, under the radar of the media and fans, Pelach was being watched. Hasn't he already said that other clubs had offered him HC jobs so Walters wasn't the only one aware of him. It may also have hastened the departure of SS as he worried that too many clubs were showing an interest in Pelach and if he waited longer he may have missed out. |
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Post by cyprus1stokey on Sept 28, 2024 10:58:31 GMT
I really loved his comment, Turning up late and leaving early for training, will not happen.
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Post by stokief on Sept 28, 2024 11:02:20 GMT
I really loved his comment, Turning up late and leaving early for training, will not happen. Yep, just shows you what's been going on and not nipped in the bud. Some have said his brutal honesty and laying down the law could be part of his undoing? Well, I say you've got to have the cojones to stand up to it and put the house in order. Give people an inch and all that! GOARRRRRRRRRRRRN NARCIS! GOARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN STOKE! |
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Post by stokest5 on Sept 28, 2024 11:29:47 GMT
I really loved his comment, Turning up late and leaving early for training, will not happen. Yep, just shows you what's been going on and not nipped in the bud. Some have said his brutal honesty and laying down the law could be part of his undoing? Well, I say you've got to have the cojones to stand up to it and put the house in order. Give people an inch and all that! GOARRRRRRRRRRRRN NARCIS! GOARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN STOKE! Can’t see that this would be happening under Schumacher. He bombed Vidigal and Mmaee easy enough for their off field antics. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 28, 2024 11:35:30 GMT
I don't care how we got him, I like him. He has an aura about him that we haven't seen in other managers/coaches. People who impress get talked about, he's obviously caught people's eye I suspect he’s a marmite sort of guy. For every Gibson who loves him there will be someone who really doesn’t like his style, the extra hours, long meetings etc. The Manager/Coach shouldn't need to make players want to stay behind, the players you want are the ones that don't want to leave |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 28, 2024 11:35:40 GMT
I really loved his comment, Turning up late and leaving early for training, will not happen. The approach either works and the players respect it. Or it doesn’t and player power creeps in, followed by dissent. |
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Post by figo85 on Sept 28, 2024 11:37:58 GMT
I really loved his comment, Turning up late and leaving early for training, will not happen. The approach either works and the players respect it. Or it doesn’t and player power creeps in, followed by dissent. Allowing players to arrive late and leave early because you don’t want dissent?. If that’s what was happening then they can F off for all I care. Train with the kids. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 28, 2024 11:38:19 GMT
It's going to be an interesting week, Middlesbrough today, Portsmouth on Wednesday then Swansea on Saturday.
For once the international break might work in our favour and allow a fortnight to train how he wants.
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 28, 2024 11:39:46 GMT
The approach either works and the players respect it. Or it doesn’t and player power creeps in, followed by dissent. Allowing players to arrive late and leave early because you don’t want dissent?. If that’s what was happening then they can F off for all I care. Train with the kids. Completely agree, turning up on time is the start of discipline and sets the standard. |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 28, 2024 11:46:36 GMT
The approach either works and the players respect it. Or it doesn’t and player power creeps in, followed by dissent. Allowing players to arrive late and leave early because you don’t want dissent?. If that’s what was happening then they can F off for all I care. Train with the kids. Read the post again dude. If it works it works. If it doesn’t players do have power to throw the toys out. At no point did I say don’t do it. Just putting it out there |
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Post by milky on Sept 28, 2024 11:56:13 GMT
I think patience is the key now and we may have to accept it could get worse before it gets better.
Whatever you think of Walters ,Coates has done what the majority of us have asked ,employed someone to oversea everything to do with the actual football as he was making such a pigs arse of it and the " manager is king " model has clearly not worked since relegation, bar MON to s degree.
Interesting times ahead I feel.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 28, 2024 12:13:16 GMT
I think patience is the key now and we may have to accept it could get worse before it gets better. Whatever you think of Walters ,Coates has done what the majority of us have asked ,employed someone to oversea everything to do with the actual football as he was making such a pigs arse of it and the " manager is king " model has clearly not worked since relegation, bar MON to s degree. Interesting times ahead I feel. problem is it’s really hard to ask ppl to be patient when we’ve had so many years of shit ,having employed so many poor managers hasn’t help this at all |
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Post by skip on Sept 28, 2024 12:15:13 GMT
Staying behind for meetings will sort the sheep from the goats, but those meetings need to productive not sit and listen to the coach harp on for an extra hour. Get those wrong and he will lose players not gain them.
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Post by stokief on Sept 28, 2024 12:19:15 GMT
I think patience is the key now and we may have to accept it could get worse before it gets better. Whatever you think of Walters ,Coates has done what the majority of us have asked ,employed someone to oversea everything to do with the actual football as he was making such a pigs arse of it and the " manager is king " model has clearly not worked since relegation, bar MON to s degree. Interesting times ahead I feel. problem is it’s really hard to ask ppl to be patient when we’ve had so many years of shit ,having employed so many poor managers hasn’t help this at all This is true but it couldn't carry on as it was. This is a complete change of direction and we are going to have to bite our lips a bit and cut the slack to try and regain stability. We were crying out on so many occasions to try something different. We were mostly sick of dinosaur/boring/dare I say even British managers. No, we were wanting dynamic, charismatic, etc etc. Well, here we go, we've hopefully got it. I don't see any quick fixes. So, patience is going to be required or the cycle will continue ad infinitum. |
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Post by thornestein on Sept 28, 2024 12:21:27 GMT
problem is it’s really hard to ask ppl to be patient when we’ve had so many years of shit ,having employed so many poor managers hasn’t help this at all This is true but it couldn't carry on as it was. This is a complete change of direction and we are going to have to bite our lips a bit and cut the slack to try and regain stability. We were crying out on so many occasions to try something different. We were mostly sick of dinosaur/boring/dare I say even British managers. No, we were wanting dynamic, charismatic, etc etc. Well, here we go, we've hopefully got it. I don't see any quick fixes. So, patience is going to be required or the cycle will continue ad infinitum. i agree , but i don’t think it will happen |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 28, 2024 12:25:55 GMT
Are some saying Gibson stabbed Shuey in the back,with going to Walters about this new coach?
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Post by milky on Sept 28, 2024 12:31:12 GMT
I think patience is the key now and we may have to accept it could get worse before it gets better. Whatever you think of Walters ,Coates has done what the majority of us have asked ,employed someone to oversea everything to do with the actual football as he was making such a pigs arse of it and the " manager is king " model has clearly not worked since relegation, bar MON to s degree. Interesting times ahead I feel. problem is it’s really hard to ask ppl to be patient when we’ve had so many years of shit ,having employed so many poor managers hasn’t help this at all True ,but this is the first time we have has a Spanish coach...and again the majority of us have been bemoaning the fact we kept going down the tried and failed British manager route ,so he will need time to get the players to get used to his different methods. I'm not naive enough to think it will just happen though. This group may well buy into his ways but simply not capable of executing them and then we have a problem and another possible reset. |
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Post by serpico on Sept 28, 2024 12:45:19 GMT
Am I imagining it or was Pelachs name mooted very tangentially before SS got the job ?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 28, 2024 12:54:49 GMT
I really loved his comment, Turning up late and leaving early for training, will not happen. Fuckin love this too. The culture SS created at Plymouth was bizarre with the wives all being allowed to training etc. Suspect he was starting implement that kind of rubbish here and Narcis is gonna sort that out pronto. |
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Post by stokief on Sept 28, 2024 12:56:41 GMT
Are some saying Gibson stabbed Shuey in the back,with going to Walters about this new coach? Staffs, some are throwing that into the ring of 'I haven't got a scooby if it's true but it makes a nice bit of tittle tattle'. Gibson may well have talked about him as players will do, as did Muniesa and Bojan but I would prefer to believe that as JW ambition is to be a succesful DoF that he himself had NP on the radar. We can go around in circles. At the end of the day, NP is a football Coach who has Coached for a number of years in THIS division which we nearly dropped out of last season. He's not some newbie off the last flight from Alicante with no knowledge of the language or the game over here and yet, some on here would probably cut him more slack if he was just that. This is a new way of restructuring the Club and I'm not entirely sure that the last Manager understood the job description of Head Coach and the relationship that that job title has with a DoF. We really do need to be patient or we will continue this eternally. New young Coach and young squad. Let's try to get behind them. Let's not drain them of confidence and enthusiasm as seems to be our way or I'll bring the bl**dy bar back on a matchday!  GOARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN STOKE ! |
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Post by figo85 on Sept 28, 2024 13:08:40 GMT
Allowing players to arrive late and leave early because you don’t want dissent?. If that’s what was happening then they can F off for all I care. Train with the kids. Read the post again dude. If it works it works. If it doesn’t players do have power to throw the toys out. At no point did I say don’t do it. Just putting it out there I 100% get your point, but, if they throw the toys out, they should quickly follow them. No room for that sort of thing with the state we’re in. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 28, 2024 13:10:16 GMT
Yep, just shows you what's been going on and not nipped in the bud. Some have said his brutal honesty and laying down the law could be part of his undoing? Well, I say you've got to have the cojones to stand up to it and put the house in order. Give people an inch and all that! GOARRRRRRRRRRRRN NARCIS! GOARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN STOKE! Can’t see that this would be happening under Schumacher. He bombed Vidigal and Mmaee easy enough for their off field antics. The difference now is the squad. As Pulis found with Fuller, older players, especially when they think the manager needs them will stretch the boundaries. The squad we have now is young and hopefully impressionable so now is the time to get them to spend longer training. I remember Muniesa saying how surprised he was at how much spare time he had. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 28, 2024 13:56:35 GMT
Are some saying Gibson stabbed Shuey in the back,with going to Walters about this new coach? Staffs, some are throwing that into the ring of 'I haven't got a scooby if it's true but it makes a nice bit of tittle tattle'. Gibson may well have talked about him as players will do, as did Muniesa and Bojan but I would prefer to believe that as JW ambition is to be a succesful DoF that he himself had NP on the radar. We can go around in circles. At the end of the day, NP is a football Coach who has Coached for a number of years in THIS division which we nearly dropped out of last season. He's not some newbie off the last flight from Alicante with no knowledge of the language or the game over here and yet, some on here would probably cut him more slack if he was just that. This is a new way of restructuring the Club and I'm not entirely sure that the last Manager understood the job description of Head Coach and the relationship that that job title has with a DoF. We really do need to be patient or we will continue this eternally. New young Coach and young squad. Let's try to get behind them. Let's not drain them of confidence and enthusiasm as seems to be our way or I'll bring the bl**dy bar back on a matchday! GOARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN STOKE ! Stokief,I take it your saying NO to my question then?😁 |
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Post by stokief on Sept 28, 2024 14:00:10 GMT
Staffs, some are throwing that into the ring of 'I haven't got a scooby if it's true but it makes a nice bit of tittle tattle'. Gibson may well have talked about him as players will do, as did Muniesa and Bojan but I would prefer to believe that as JW ambition is to be a succesful DoF that he himself had NP on the radar. We can go around in circles. At the end of the day, NP is a football Coach who has Coached for a number of years in THIS division which we nearly dropped out of last season. He's not some newbie off the last flight from Alicante with no knowledge of the language or the game over here and yet, some on here would probably cut him more slack if he was just that. This is a new way of restructuring the Club and I'm not entirely sure that the last Manager understood the job description of Head Coach and the relationship that that job title has with a DoF. We really do need to be patient or we will continue this eternally. New young Coach and young squad. Let's try to get behind them. Let's not drain them of confidence and enthusiasm as seems to be our way or I'll bring the bl**dy bar back on a matchday! GOARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN STOKE ! Stokief,I take it your saying NO to my question then?😁  Hope you've still got your lucky pants on your head! |
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