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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 27, 2024 21:37:12 GMT
He's clearly a very hard working, focused, intelligent coach with strong ideas of how we are going to do things. The worry is we don't have the players to execute what he wants so he's going to have to be given a lot of time and a few windows to get it right. He may only get the 1 window in Jan.to get it right if we are struggling. |
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Post by Marc01 on Sept 27, 2024 21:54:54 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 27, 2024 22:23:57 GMT
This guy has that steely focus in his eyes that we need in our players. If he can pass some of that on to our players we are going to take some stopping when he gets our club working the way he wants. I find him quite impressive, he has the air of someone that will succeed and completely confident in himself, not arrogance but shear focus with a clear plan
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 28, 2024 6:59:26 GMT
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Post by lordb on Sept 28, 2024 7:05:19 GMT
I've been trying to understand exactly why Walters has homed in on Pelach as seemingly the only man he wanted for the job - because it's not his CV - The only theory that makes sense to me is that Ben Gibson has bigged him up to JW all summer (& before?) Perhaps others have been saying similar but haven't seen anything else other than Gibsons comments |
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Post by pavel on Sept 28, 2024 7:09:40 GMT
Well they’re going balls deep in backing this guy from the start, a real PR exercise in full motion, let’s hope they’re right. I almost get the impression there’s a sense of nervousness behind all this promotion, they must know they have taken a huge gamble and that if it doesn’t pan out they’re going to have a very disaffected fanbase. It could be quite a bumpy ride if results don’t go our way. |
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Post by pavel on Sept 28, 2024 7:11:15 GMT
I've been trying to understand exactly why Walters has homed in on Pelach as seemingly the only man he wanted for the job - because it's not his CV - The only theory that makes sense to me is that Ben Gibson has bigged him up to JW all summer (& before?) Perhaps others have been saying similar but haven't seen anything else other than Gibsons comments It’s all a bit odd, isn’t it. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 28, 2024 7:15:07 GMT
I've been trying to understand exactly why Walters has homed in on Pelach as seemingly the only man he wanted for the job - because it's not his CV - The only theory that makes sense to me is that Ben Gibson has bigged him up to JW all summer (& before?) Perhaps others have been saying similar but haven't seen anything else other than Gibsons comments Yeah, I think that must be the one of the major planks of it. Walters and Gibson seemed to respect each other, and were friends from Burnley. And Walters is on record as respecting Gibson massively as a person and professional, so if he's as gushing as he is, it's bound to have left a big mark, and if he got the thumbs up from another character he respects Muniesa, it probably grew? www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/burnley-middlesbrough-ben-gibson-news-17740954"Ben is an unbelievable professional by the way. He joined Burnley for about £15million from Middlesbrough and he was in and around the England squad at the time, He trained unbelievably well every single day. He is so professional outside of the club and he is constantly doing things to keep himself on top2 www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-hull-narcis-pelach-9567477Walters made out he'd had his eye on him for a while and the Bojan/Muni praise was only a small piece of it. So it'd be interesting to know if he'd entered his radar seriously before talking to Gibson, and precisely when he became convinced he was his man and Schuey was a dead man walking |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 28, 2024 7:23:14 GMT
Ben Gibson has basically picked our manager then?.. nah, not having it.
Keep the conspiracy theories going though.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 28, 2024 7:26:32 GMT
Ben Gibson has basically picked our manager then?.. nah, not having it. Keep the conspiracy theories going though. Don't think anyone is saying that, General. But it would basically have to come down to certain individuals he respected influencing him to pick a pretty unheralded candidate, wouldn't it? And I've rarely heard anyone so gushing. A line from his video above: "When I worked with him at Norwich, I just thought 'wow'" |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 28, 2024 7:29:22 GMT
Ben Gibson has basically picked our manager then?.. nah, not having it. Keep the conspiracy theories going though. Don't think anyone is saying that, General. But it would basically have to come down to certain individuals he respected influencing him to pick a pretty unheralded candidate, wouldn't it? And I've rarely heard anyone so gushing. A line from his video above: "When I worked with him at Norwich, I just thought 'wow'" All I'm saying is, an opinion from 1 guy who's been at the club for a couple of months won't hold that much sway in the grand scheme of things. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 28, 2024 7:34:05 GMT
Don't think anyone is saying that, General. But it would basically have to come down to certain individuals he respected influencing him to pick a pretty unheralded candidate, wouldn't it? And I've rarely heard anyone so gushing. A line from his video above: "When I worked with him at Norwich, I just thought 'wow'" All I'm saying is, an opinion from 1 guy who's been at the club for a couple of months won't hold that much sway in the grand scheme of things. Absolutely shouldn't do However how else has Pelach caught JW attention? |
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 28, 2024 7:34:49 GMT
Don't think anyone is saying that, General. But it would basically have to come down to certain individuals he respected influencing him to pick a pretty unheralded candidate, wouldn't it? And I've rarely heard anyone so gushing. A line from his video above: "When I worked with him at Norwich, I just thought 'wow'" All I'm saying is, an opinion from 1 guy who's been at the club for a couple of months won't hold that much sway in the grand scheme of things. Walters has been friends with Gibson for years though, from the Burnley days. And he's on record as saying he's an exceptional pro and person, so he probably sees a bit of himself in him, and if Pelach had made that kind of impression on him, it must have made a bigger mark than someone else. Who knows what was the decisive recommendation was and at what point it crystallised that he had to have Pelach if he made a change, but can't see the Gibson verdict not being an important piece of it. But we'll never know. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 28, 2024 7:35:03 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 28, 2024 7:36:00 GMT
All I'm saying is, an opinion from 1 guy who's been at the club for a couple of months won't hold that much sway in the grand scheme of things. Absolutely shouldn't do However how else has Pelach caught JW attention? People talk, reputations grow outside of the public eye... I really can't believe how much power people are giving to Gibson. But as I said, they can keep drumming up the narrative. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 28, 2024 7:36:56 GMT
All I'm saying is, an opinion from 1 guy who's been at the club for a couple of months won't hold that much sway in the grand scheme of things. Walters has been friends with Gibson for years though, from the Burnley days. And he's on record as saying he's an exceptional pro and person, so he probably sees a bit of himself in him, and if Pelach had made that kind of impression on him, it must have made a bigger mark than someone else. Who knows what was the decisive recommendation was and at what point it crystallised that he had to have Pelach if he made a change, but can't see the Gibson verdict not being an important piece of it. But we'll never know. We aren't going to agree here, definitely at different ends of the spectrum. |
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Post by thornestein on Sept 28, 2024 7:37:34 GMT
Don't think anyone is saying that, General. But it would basically have to come down to certain individuals he respected influencing him to pick a pretty unheralded candidate, wouldn't it? And I've rarely heard anyone so gushing. A line from his video above: "When I worked with him at Norwich, I just thought 'wow'" All I'm saying is, an opinion from 1 guy who's been at the club for a couple of months won't hold that much sway in the grand scheme of things. Depends how good friends JW and Gibson are , maybe just a seed was sown and Walters then started asking around about NP 🤷♂️ |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 28, 2024 7:39:52 GMT
All I'm saying is, an opinion from 1 guy who's been at the club for a couple of months won't hold that much sway in the grand scheme of things. Depends how good friends JW and Gibson are , maybe just a seed was sown and Walters then started asking around about NP 🤷♂️ That's different and kind of what I'm getting at. The whole decision to give Pelach the job will not have come down to Gibson one bit. Taking an interest and doing some in depth digging into the guy? Maybe. |
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Post by thornestein on Sept 28, 2024 7:42:04 GMT
Depends how good friends JW and Gibson are , maybe just a seed was sown and Walters then started asking around about NP 🤷♂️ That's different and kind of what I'm getting at. The whole decision to give Pelach the job will not have come down to Gibson one bit. Taking an interest and doing some in depth digging into the guy? Maybe. i don’t think anyone is saying it was |
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 28, 2024 7:43:36 GMT
Walters has been friends with Gibson for years though, from the Burnley days. And he's on record as saying he's an exceptional pro and person, so he probably sees a bit of himself in him, and if Pelach had made that kind of impression on him, it must have made a bigger mark than someone else. Who knows what was the decisive recommendation was and at what point it crystallised that he had to have Pelach if he made a change, but can't see the Gibson verdict not being an important piece of it. But we'll never know. We aren't going to agree here, definitely at different ends of the spectrum. I'm definitely not suggesting a cosy chat between the two of them gifted Pelach the job. I'm more at the glowing recommendation from a character he respects played a significant role in opening the door to it in Walters' mind. And that may have been the first seed, or a step in confirming him as a serious possibility. Anyway, we've probably spent too long already on this!  |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 28, 2024 7:45:11 GMT
None of this feels quite right
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Post by lordb on Sept 28, 2024 7:55:18 GMT
Depends how good friends JW and Gibson are , maybe just a seed was sown and Walters then started asking around about NP 🤷♂️ That's different and kind of what I'm getting at. The whole decision to give Pelach the job will not have come down to Gibson one bit. Taking an interest and doing some in depth digging into the guy? Maybe. What has it come down to then? Genuine question |
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Post by LphPotter on Sept 28, 2024 8:07:37 GMT
I think he has a very good reputation as a coach, a good sporting director should always be looking at managers/coaches who can come in to replace the current one at any given time. It’s been well reported that he’s turned down other job offers.
It’s similar to McKenna when Ipswich appointed him, he had a very good reputation as a coach around football but had never managed a senior team.
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Post by thestatusquo on Sept 28, 2024 8:23:43 GMT
Depends how good friends JW and Gibson are , maybe just a seed was sown and Walters then started asking around about NP 🤷♂️ That's different and kind of what I'm getting at. The whole decision to give Pelach the job will not have come down to Gibson one bit. Taking an interest and doing some in depth digging into the guy? Maybe. The decision will have been Walter’s. But he clearly trusts Gibson so his input will have carried a fair degree of weight. They are clearly very good friends. Other factors will have come into consideration but Gibsons opinion would surely have mattered. If you had someone who you trusted implicitly had knowledge about something, say like buying a car, and they had solid information about its reliability (or otherwise ) are you saying you would ignore it ? |
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Sept 28, 2024 8:24:12 GMT
Is it possible we tried to sound out Corberan? He said no but reccomended us to take a look at Pèlach and it progressed from there?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 28, 2024 8:47:31 GMT
I think he has a very good reputation as a coach, a good sporting director should always be looking at managers/coaches who can come in to replace the current one at any given time. It’s been well reported that he’s turned down other job offers. It’s similar to McKenna when Ipswich appointed him, he had a very good reputation as a coach around football but had never managed a senior team. Agreed. In the same way as clubs have a portfolio of potential transfer targets they will have a portfolio of potential HCs. Pelach may well have been a standout candidate that was known to be available. Now Pelach is here I'm sure the list of possible replacements has already been compiled and will get updated as new candidates emerge - which is how it should be. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 28, 2024 8:57:19 GMT
I don't care how we got him, I like him. He has an aura about him that we haven't seen in other managers/coaches. People who impress get talked about, he's obviously caught people's eye
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Post by Gods on Sept 28, 2024 8:59:01 GMT
I've been trying to understand exactly why Walters has homed in on Pelach as seemingly the only man he wanted for the job - because it's not his CV - The only theory that makes sense to me is that Ben Gibson has bigged him up to JW all summer (& before?) Perhaps others have been saying similar but haven't seen anything else other than Gibsons comments I think it's just that, what you say. What's more miraculous is how Walters himself got the Director of Football role with nothing more on his CV than 3 months at Fleetwood. I think it's like house buying in the end, you just get a good feeling about somewhere and all your initial requirements go out the window. |
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Post by stokief on Sept 28, 2024 9:21:34 GMT
Could it be as simple as JW is driven and ambitious and wants to be part of putting right what's wrong with the Club and it's his job to be aware of who's out there in the Coaching world? Could it just be that he's come across another driven, ambitious and charismatic coach who's been catching the eye and impressing along the way? I wish there would be overnight success but there's a lot to put right first. I don't know why but I really DO think we've turned a corner and must be patient with the new coaching set-up and the mainly young players. We could have the makings of something really special here but we really are going to have to show some patience and stay with them supporting them on this journey. I've said it before, barracking, jeering and worse won't do anything to help. NP has said there will be ups and downs. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose but you have to basically dust yourself down, get right back up and focus on the next match. I think we will have to learn to do the same!
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Post by Marc01 on Sept 28, 2024 9:23:08 GMT
“He’s super detailed and I’ve never come across anyone in football who works harder. He’s non-stop. He’ll be here until the early hours of the morning. He’s obsessed by football, obsessed with the details, improving players, improving units, improving teams. That can only give us a better chance of getting results.” Unless it’s a night match, not sure working until the early hours is healthy or productive? (The same might be said for an overload of meetings). By the time he gets home it will be time to come back.. Unless he’s living in Trent Vale 🙂 |
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