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Post by pavel on Sept 27, 2024 9:59:10 GMT
Well he can certainly talk the talk, let's hope he can walk the walk as well. We've had so many false dawns so I'll keep my scepticism is my top pocket from now, ready and waiting. Here's hoping it all goes well because there is so much hanging on this latest change of direction and we have finally zigzagged to the promised land. I'm not holding my breath!
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Post by pavel on Sept 27, 2024 10:01:27 GMT
If the manager wants to keep the ball and play between the lines then one of the deeper midfielders needs to be more of a "playmaker". Moran would be perfect for the role as he's always looking for the ball and is comfortable receiving it in tight spaces. Not sure about that - he looks more like an attacking midfielder sitting just behind the front players. Seko's profile suggests he might be the player you are talking about. From what I have read about Seko I agree, seems to be a deep lying interceptor who can spray the ball about. Calm and comfortable on the ball with a good passing range. |
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Post by stormin on Sept 27, 2024 10:03:10 GMT
It could be close to Christmas before we establish a core team.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 27, 2024 10:07:37 GMT
"If every time the ball comes to you, you lose it, it doesn't matter who it is we cannot get momentum in the game, all the time press, press, press and then we're tired. We need to keep it, boys. We are a ball possession team. This is where we are going now. We need to have the ball"
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Post by delilahwhy on Sept 27, 2024 10:11:57 GMT
“We are a ball possession team,we need to have the ball” Interesting line from the training video It's a recipe for disaster. Any fan who has been to the ground more than once can tell you clearly the reaction the crowd gives, on the back of anything over 2 number passes which are sideways or backwards. It isn't that I disagree with the new head coach. But one think I do know is what our fans are like. They will not accept prolonged periods of time where we keep the ball with sideways and backwards passes. Let alone "prolonged", they have no patience for any small amount of ball retention. They want it played forward and they demand it quickly. I can't see it ending well. |
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Post by thehoof on Sept 27, 2024 10:13:04 GMT
"If every time the ball comes to you, you lose it, it doesn't matter who it is we cannot get momentum in the game, all the time press, press, press and then we're tired. We need to keep it, boys. We are a ball possession team. This is where we are going now. We need to have the ball" Unfortunately possession would start at the back and none of the starting back four need less than 3 touches to control the ball. They couldn’t trap a slow moving bag of cement. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 27, 2024 10:19:59 GMT
We don't have the players for possession football.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 27, 2024 10:21:38 GMT
Wilmot keeping the ball,don't make me laugh.he treats it like its a fecking hand grenade.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 27, 2024 10:23:09 GMT
We don't have the players for possession football. plus it’s over rated |
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 27, 2024 10:34:56 GMT
We don't have the players for possession football. I hope that was him trying to trick the opposition rather than being serious! |
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Post by canadianmoose on Sept 27, 2024 10:38:23 GMT
We don't have the players for possession football. Difficult to play possession football when a lot of the players second touch is a tackle! Any press on us and they go to pieces because technically, they aren’t good enough. That’s going to be his biggest challenge. Can these players actually do what he wants? Can he train them to not play like the ball is a hot potato when the pressure is on? I think it’s a big ask with the players we have. |
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 27, 2024 10:42:12 GMT
We don't have the players for possession football. Difficult to play possession football when a lot of the players second touch is a tackle! Any press on us and they go to pieces because technically, they aren’t good enough. That’s going to be his biggest challenge. Can these players actually do what he wants? Can he train them to not play like the ball is a hot potato when the pressure is on? I think it’s a big ask with the players we have. The thing is, a good coach should be able to identify strengths and weaknesses too. As much as we all want him to implement his own style, playing possession based football with this lot is a recipe for disaster. The few times we've looked decent this season have been when Koumas and Manhoef are running at defences and creating space with their movement. I'd be honing in on that as a strength. |
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 27, 2024 10:43:28 GMT
Difficult to play possession football when a lot of the players second touch is a tackle! Any press on us and they go to pieces because technically, they aren’t good enough. That’s going to be his biggest challenge. Can these players actually do what he wants? Can he train them to not play like the ball is a hot potato when the pressure is on? I think it’s a big ask with the players we have. The thing is, a good coach should be able to identify strengths and weaknesses too. As much as we all want him to implement his own style, playing possession based football with this lot is a recipe for disaster. The few times we've looked decent this season have been when Koumas and Manhoef are running at defences and creating space with their movement. I'd be honing in on that as a strength. And to be honest, if fans see it working everyone will be patient with it. If it's not, they won't. This rhetoric it's the fan's fault from some really annoys me. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 27, 2024 10:52:00 GMT
Difficult to play possession football when a lot of the players second touch is a tackle! Any press on us and they go to pieces because technically, they aren’t good enough. That’s going to be his biggest challenge. Can these players actually do what he wants? Can he train them to not play like the ball is a hot potato when the pressure is on? I think it’s a big ask with the players we have. The thing is, a good coach should be able to identify strengths and weaknesses too. As much as we all want him to implement his own style, playing possession based football with this lot is a recipe for disaster. The few times we've looked decent this season have been when Koumas and Manhoef are running at defences and creating space with their movement. I'd be honing in on that as a strength. Have they really been asked to play possession football as a team before? There have been a lot of passes across the back, mainly it would seem because nobody wants to take responsibility and then a lot of sideways passing on the edge of the opponents box. Watching the training video I noticed that there was no standing on the ball looking for a pass then passing sideways. There was a lot of movement. I don't think we have ever played a style of football to draw opponents out. We have always been very static. The number of times I have been thinking "Somebody please move, don't just stand waiting!" We take an age over throw ins because one player moves towards the ball but nobody else moves. |
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Post by Los Alfareros on Sept 27, 2024 10:53:56 GMT
He is not wrong, but there is a time to play and a time to get fucking rid.
Odds on us conceding a goal from a suicide pass in our own box tomorrow??!
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Post by LphPotter on Sept 27, 2024 10:54:34 GMT
We don't have the players for possession football. I hope that was him trying to trick the opposition rather than being serious! He’s not telling the players to aimlessly play around the back, he’s clearly trying to say that if we keep giving the ball back to the other team by going long to nobody too often, like we did against Hull we will very quickly tire having to chase the opposition around all game. |
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 27, 2024 10:55:42 GMT
The thing is, a good coach should be able to identify strengths and weaknesses too. As much as we all want him to implement his own style, playing possession based football with this lot is a recipe for disaster. The few times we've looked decent this season have been when Koumas and Manhoef are running at defences and creating space with their movement. I'd be honing in on that as a strength. Have they really been asked to play possession football as a team before? There have been a lot of passes across the back, mainly it would seem because nobody wants to take responsibility and then a lot of sideways passing on the edge of the opponents box. Watching the training video I noticed that there was no standing on the ball looking for a pass then passing sideways. There was a lot of movement. I don't think we have ever played a style of football to draw opponents out. We have always been very static. The number of times I have been thinking "Somebody please move, don't just stand waiting!" We take an age over throw ins because one player moves towards the ball but nobody else moves. I suppose the only way we can see mate is from what is in front of us. I was quite encouraged by some of the first half last week and trying to get the ball forward quicker on the ground. I hope it's that kind of keeping the ball, rather than building from the back and slow possession which I think would be a disaster. |
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 27, 2024 10:57:41 GMT
I hope that was him trying to trick the opposition rather than being serious! He’s not telling the players to aimlessly play around the back, he’s clearly trying to say that if we keep giving the ball back to the other team by going long to nobody too often, like we did against Hull we will very quickly tire having to chase the opposition around all game. Which is absolutely fine... obviously the only thing that matters is what's in front of us during the game. I remember watching a training video from SS in the summer where he was saying something like "let's not give the opposition opportunities." So probably need take them all with a pinch of salt! |
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Post by rowleyscfc on Sept 27, 2024 11:16:06 GMT
Why does everyone on this thread think having possession is a bad thing?
Controlling possession in the right areas you will create more chances, people are confusing possession with passing it around the back 4 on the edge of our own box, having possession in their half is completely different, which is what he is saying.
If you go out your way to boo your own club when we are keeping possession of the ball your probably better off watching another sport
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Post by femark on Sept 27, 2024 11:28:58 GMT
Difficult to play possession football when a lot of the players second touch is a tackle! Any press on us and they go to pieces because technically, they aren’t good enough. That’s going to be his biggest challenge. Can these players actually do what he wants? Can he train them to not play like the ball is a hot potato when the pressure is on? I think it’s a big ask with the players we have. The thing is, a good coach should be able to identify strengths and weaknesses too. As much as we all want him to implement his own style, playing possession based football with this lot is a recipe for disaster. The few times we've looked decent this season have been when Koumas and Manhoef are running at defences and creating space with their movement. I'd be honing in on that as a strength. The question is how do we get it to Koumas and Manhoef so they have space to run at a defence. If we just send it long without a target man, we'll get nowhere so we rely on hitting teams on the break. The problem with that is you don't have the ball for vast periods of the game or teams don't commit as much resulting in a boring game with few chances. |
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Post by tuum on Sept 27, 2024 11:33:56 GMT
We don't have the players for possession football. Difficult to play possession football when a lot of the players second touch is a tackle! Any press on us and they go to pieces because technically, they aren’t good enough. That’s going to be his biggest challenge. Can these players actually do what he wants? Can he train them to not play like the ball is a hot potato when the pressure is on? I think it’s a big ask with the players we have. Valid point about our ability (or lack of it) to pass under pressure. |
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Post by Ron on Sept 27, 2024 11:43:38 GMT
Why does everyone on this thread think having possession is a bad thing? Controlling possession in the right areas you will create more chances, people are confusing possession with passing it around the back 4 on the edge of our own box, having possession in their half is completely different, which is what he is saying. If you go out your way to boo your own club when we are keeping possession of the ball your probably better off watching another sport it’s a good thing… but I think the shared worry is that we don’t have players good enough to play this style- partilcarly at the back. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 27, 2024 11:58:35 GMT
Why does everyone on this thread think having possession is a bad thing? Controlling possession in the right areas you will create more chances, people are confusing possession with passing it around the back 4 on the edge of our own box, having possession in their half is completely different, which is what he is saying. If you go out your way to boo your own club when we are keeping possession of the ball your probably better off watching another sport My all time favourite post on here was one where someone said what does Ibrahim Afellay do apart from never give the ball away? You simply can't argue with that. |
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Post by senojbor on Sept 27, 2024 12:03:37 GMT
Why does everyone on this thread think having possession is a bad thing? Controlling possession in the right areas you will create more chances, people are confusing possession with passing it around the back 4 on the edge of our own box, having possession in their half is completely different, which is what he is saying. If you go out your way to boo your own club when we are keeping possession of the ball your probably better off watching another sport it’s a good thing… but I think the shared worry is that we don’t have players good enough to play this style- partilcarly at the back. Not many teams do outside of the premier league to be fair. Big Noel Blake last night said he was amazed that he see's L1 and L2 sides trying to play from the back. Liverpool often play long balls out of defence to their quick players and are very good at it. |
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Post by rowleyscfc on Sept 27, 2024 12:07:19 GMT
Why does everyone on this thread think having possession is a bad thing? Controlling possession in the right areas you will create more chances, people are confusing possession with passing it around the back 4 on the edge of our own box, having possession in their half is completely different, which is what he is saying. If you go out your way to boo your own club when we are keeping possession of the ball your probably better off watching another sport My all time favourite post on here was one where someone said what does Ibrahim Afellay do apart from never give the ball away? You simply can't argue with that. Goodness gracious these are the people the players are trying please  |
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 27, 2024 12:12:39 GMT
. Interesting to see we rank very low in possession, but so do Sunderland  |
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Post by SCFC92 on Sept 27, 2024 12:14:03 GMT
Not too fussed about the possession thing, it's trying something different. He saw against Hull we tried the pressing game and we were cooked after 30 mins. Adapting the play to the situation, lets hope the players can actually pass and hold possession.
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 27, 2024 12:21:25 GMT
We don't have the players for possession football. But our new manager knows everything about the squad, play style etc. and is picking a team, formation and style to suit our players…………. |
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 27, 2024 12:31:30 GMT
The thing is, a good coach should be able to identify strengths and weaknesses too. As much as we all want him to implement his own style, playing possession based football with this lot is a recipe for disaster. The few times we've looked decent this season have been when Koumas and Manhoef are running at defences and creating space with their movement. I'd be honing in on that as a strength. Have they really been asked to play possession football as a team before? There have been a lot of passes across the back, mainly it would seem because nobody wants to take responsibility and then a lot of sideways passing on the edge of the opponents box. That's what possession football is when you've got low confidence players. It's dominated our play for years. Players at this level don't have the touch or speed of thought for it and what you end up with is an utterly turgid route 1 football. Pass, pass, pass until opposition are back in shape and then hoof it to no one. I don't want a return to Pulis ball but at least it was high intensity and didn't allow the opposition to settle. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 27, 2024 12:39:19 GMT
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