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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2024 9:51:49 GMT
The first 10 minutes I thought we looked like a well coached pressing team. Then they got knackered. It was no worse than most of Schumacher’s time here overall though. Shit subs. Late subs. Defensive calamities. Pretty standard stuff. It worries me how quickly nearly every one of our squads post relegation get knackered quite early on. Suppose fitness does need to be up there with a pressing game if we want to gain possession back quickly in that Spain, Barca style. But it's nowhere near yet. I just hope he figures out the size of the task he's got after yesterday. But it's his first game so I won't go in all guns blazing. I was largely happy with that first half display, but the second half we just absolutely crumbled. Yeah once Manhoef missed that sitter and the crowd made (rightly) what must be the most horrible noise in football then we were screwed. Not blaming the crowd before anyone fucking suggests that. I groaned and moaned too. You can’t not with shit like that. It was just so us. |
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Post by banksy1art on Sept 21, 2024 9:59:21 GMT
Just listen to him and get behind him. He’s been here 3 days, what do you all expect?
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Post by tommystoke123 on Sept 21, 2024 10:01:40 GMT
Just listen to him and get behind him. He’s been here 3 days, what do you all expect? Pep would probably still do crap for us, if he had the likes of Wilmot and Thompson at his disposal 🤣 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2024 10:01:45 GMT
Just listen to him and get behind him. He’s been here 3 days, what do you all expect? Didn’t realise that people liked that useless cockwomble Schumacher so much. But again just emphasises how low the standards have got. |
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Post by st3mark on Sept 21, 2024 10:02:10 GMT
Second half was a disaster last night.
It’s early days and he has to be given time of course.
A big concern for me is in his lengthy introduction interview on YouTube he said that he would be at first implementing a style of play that suits the squad that he knows that they can play. But it didn’t suit them at all second half, it was very direct - without players that suit that system.
Every day is a school day, hope he learns quickly.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Sept 21, 2024 10:14:37 GMT
Not sure we're fit enough to play this high intestity pressing game for 90 minutes.
Said this to my lad in the first half and sadly it proved correct last night.
Good luck pelach...
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Post by stokesupporter on Sept 21, 2024 10:23:09 GMT
Early days yet. Interesting to see where he goes from here. Are we gonna be a right mess or will we improve gradually? A character test for sure but he seems to be mentally strong. Time will tell, hoping for the best.
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Post by kickfortouch on Sept 21, 2024 10:50:07 GMT
What I find the most puzzling about this whole situation, is that as Walters does actually want to succeed and therefore makes decisions that he perceives are in the best interests of the club, then he must be absolutely convinced that Pèlach is the man to take us forward. But what exactly has he seen in him that would suggest he is remotely capable of turning around a not far off decade long decline?
It surely has to be something other than being a good talker, a fairly unremarkable early coaching career and some decent character references from West Brom’s manager? I’m finding it hard to wrap my head around the idea that Walters would risk our league survival and quite possibly his own career ambitions on someone who just hasn’t got the CV to suggest he’d be considered anything remotely close to a guarantee of future success.
I suppose one answer is that Walters’ ego could be big enough that he thinks he can see things that others can’t, when in reality those things may not actually be there.
I’m by no means writing Pelach off, and hopefully with time he’ll be able to finally instil a consistent style of play and get us into at least the top half, but realistically I’d say the odds of that happening are fairly low.
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Post by fca47 on Sept 21, 2024 11:11:31 GMT
He's certainly got a big job on judging by last night. I've gone from fairly optimistic for this season, to utterly baffled by what's going on. A team that can't play for 90 minutes is going to be in big trouble in this division. What have they been doing in pre-season etc. When players aren't fit, I'm assuming that's what it is, if it's the players attitude then we're in even more trouble, and so is he
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 21, 2024 11:24:36 GMT
I'm going to hate myself for this but: All aboard the Stokealona Express! ( smallthorner and lordb can catch up later  ) Stoke City is sorry to announce that this service has been delayed due to staffing issues. We are sorry for any inconvenience and advise you check back again later. |
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Post by stokief on Sept 21, 2024 11:27:16 GMT
There seems to be a huge confidence problem. We're fine when on the front foot and if we capitalise on that by taking the chances and seeing them fly in we'll probably beat anyone on the day BUT the moment we concede we seem to go to pieces. We seen incapable of regrouping quickly and putting something behind us (bit like on here eh? ) This has been an issue that now seems to have rooted itself in the Club whoever plays. Sports Pychologist territory or Coach? Maybe both. Maybe a few good old-fashioned team building exercises like TP used to send 'em on would help. Anyway it needs to be properly addressed. As for last night generally you can't blame a manager for a sloppy pass that you just knew would result in a goal etc. My other issue is Tom Canon. From the first glimpse of him he looks like a player who's been here for 5 seasons. Shot of confidence. I know a Coach wants to play a player rather than dropping them because that won't help either BUT he needs some work doing on him mentally in my opinion or he's taking up a place that should be given to someone who's in the right head space. Apologies to Tom if I've got his body language all wrong. Anyways, I'm fully behind the new set-up and we'll have to be patient AGAIN. Turning on players and Coaches won't help this situation at all. The defence has to be well and truely sorted out, stabilised and coached though. I know I repeat myself but build from the back. If the players in front feel confident with what's behind them they can fully concentrate on their game. We really have to get a settled/in tune back line. Plus points, I really like the look of Phillips and Dixon when I've seen them. If we can initiate a steady and confident defence they are the kind of players ,who still raw, know how to push on forward for the quick breaks that seem to suit Koumas, Million, Tezza etc. and Tezza shouldn't be played where he was last night in my opinion. Right, GOARRRRRRRRRRN STOKE! GOAAAARRRRRRRRN Chicho and Deano! |
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Post by potters11 on Sept 21, 2024 11:38:53 GMT
Just listen to him and get behind him. He’s been here 3 days, what do you all expect? Didn’t realise that people liked that useless cockwomble Schumacher so much. But again just emphasises how low the standards have got. I don’t normally take your bait but I’ll make an exception here. I can’t remember the last time we had a manager that got cheered as much as Schumacher (possibly Gudjon Thordarson) Schumacher’s rapport with the fans I thought was better than anything TP ever managed to get. So I think you and Walters are kidding yourselves here by not realising the popularity of Schumacher. I heard various comments around me as we went 1-3 down about the decision Walters made in removing Schumacher unless we start winning ASAP it’ll haunt Walters and will be terminal in his career here. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2024 11:47:08 GMT
Didn’t realise that people liked that useless cockwomble Schumacher so much. But again just emphasises how low the standards have got. I don’t normally take your bait but I’ll make an exception here. I can’t remember the last time we had a manager that got cheered as much as Schumacher (possibly Gudjon Thordarson) Schumacher’s rapport with the fans I thought was better than anything TP ever managed to get. So I think you and Walters are kidding yourselves here by not realising the popularity of Schumacher. I heard various comments around me as we went 1-3 down about the decision Walters made in removing Schumacher unless we start winning ASAP it’ll haunt Walters and will be terminal in his career here. Bait? He has done nothing for this club. Rapport? 🤣 really? Like I said the usual very low standards. |
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Post by potters11 on Sept 21, 2024 12:05:31 GMT
I don’t normally take your bait but I’ll make an exception here. I can’t remember the last time we had a manager that got cheered as much as Schumacher (possibly Gudjon Thordarson) Schumacher’s rapport with the fans I thought was better than anything TP ever managed to get. So I think you and Walters are kidding yourselves here by not realising the popularity of Schumacher. I heard various comments around me as we went 1-3 down about the decision Walters made in removing Schumacher unless we start winning ASAP it’ll haunt Walters and will be terminal in his career here. Bait? He has done nothing for this club. Rapport? 🤣 really? Like I said the usual very low standards. Bait …. Yes you know exactly what you do as you spend about 80% of your life making controversial opinions to get into discussions on an internet message board. It’s quite sad really. Yes rapport I really mean it. You’ve either not been to many matches in 2024 or you’ve got blinkers on when you do go. Maybe Schumacher isn’t of the highest standard but look where we bloody are!! Who else are we realistically going to attract…oh wait … yes a coach who’s hardly had any experience of being a first team coach and one who’s a huge gamble that’ll will either be a master stroke or a complete disaster …. yup those are the fishing ponds we are fishing in now sadly after 8 years of dramatic decline. For what it’s worth Schumacher walked into a bit of a storm, struggled to get a grip on it but when he did towards the end of last season we looked as good as we had since 2016 (I appreciate that’s a low bar) but nevertheless I think you are being harsh but as we established at the start of the post that’s how you live 80% of your life so I take everything you say with a huge pinch of salt and then more. For the record naturally the jury is out on the new manager and I think we can both agree that should wish him the best of luck for the good of Stoke City 🤝 If this goes horribly wrong it could be a generation before we are back in the top flight. |
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Post by loosestools on Sept 21, 2024 12:12:52 GMT
He's only been here for about 5 minutes, give him 15 minutes at least!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2024 12:13:23 GMT
Bait? He has done nothing for this club. Rapport? 🤣 really? Like I said the usual very low standards. Bait …. Yes you know exactly what you do as you spend about 80% of your life making controversial opinions to get into discussions on an internet message board. It’s quite sad really. Yes rapport I really mean it. You’ve either not been to many matches in 2024 or you’ve got blinkers on when you do go. Maybe Schumacher isn’t of the highest standard but look where we bloody are!! Who else are we realistically going to attract…oh wait … yes a coach who’s hardly had any experience of being a first team coach and one who’s a huge gamble that’ll will either be a master stroke or a complete disaster …. yup those are the fishing ponds we are fishing in now sadly after 8 years of dramatic decline. For what it’s worth Schumacher walked into a bit of a storm, struggled to get a grip on it but when he did towards the end of last season we looked as good as we had since 2016 (I appreciate that’s a low bar) but nevertheless I think you are being harsh but as we established at the start of the post that’s how you live 80% of your life so I take everything you say with a huge pinch of salt and then more. For the record naturally the jury is out on the new manager and I think we can both agree that should wish him the best of luck for the good of Stoke City 🤝 If this goes horribly wrong it could be a generation before we are back in the top flight. Controversial? They’re not controversial. They usually become the norm 6-12 months down the line as you lot catch up. Me saying Schumacher would be gone in November was me laying bait or being controversial or whatever other bollocks. Or I can just read this shit show really well and thought it was obvious it was going to happen. I’ve been to plenty: we’ve remained shit at home and he clapped the crowd and they clapped back. That’s about it. 3 games - wow. The exception not the rule. The rest was shit under him. I would have sacked him in March and then the board should have got rid in May along with Walters and gone completely fresh again. No you just don’t agree with what I say so deem it controversial despite it usually turning out to be what happens. It’s funny. We will not get back in the top flight as long as the Coates own us. Until more people wake up to that then it doesn’t matter. Sacking Schumacher doesn’t affect us getting promotion. Neither does appointing this bloke. |
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 21, 2024 12:15:24 GMT
He'll hopefully have a good week on the training pitch with them this week and can start getting some of his ideas across.
Anyone who has to pick the defence we did last night is facing an uphill battle.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 21, 2024 12:20:46 GMT
Just listen to him and get behind him. He’s been here 3 days, what do you all expect? The ability to see this isn't a squad that's going to be capable of passing the ball around from the back, given he knows the players he should have already known that too. Very early as you say but it's a worry. |
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Post by potters11 on Sept 21, 2024 12:21:10 GMT
Bait …. Yes you know exactly what you do as you spend about 80% of your life making controversial opinions to get into discussions on an internet message board. It’s quite sad really. Yes rapport I really mean it. You’ve either not been to many matches in 2024 or you’ve got blinkers on when you do go. Maybe Schumacher isn’t of the highest standard but look where we bloody are!! Who else are we realistically going to attract…oh wait … yes a coach who’s hardly had any experience of being a first team coach and one who’s a huge gamble that’ll will either be a master stroke or a complete disaster …. yup those are the fishing ponds we are fishing in now sadly after 8 years of dramatic decline. For what it’s worth Schumacher walked into a bit of a storm, struggled to get a grip on it but when he did towards the end of last season we looked as good as we had since 2016 (I appreciate that’s a low bar) but nevertheless I think you are being harsh but as we established at the start of the post that’s how you live 80% of your life so I take everything you say with a huge pinch of salt and then more. For the record naturally the jury is out on the new manager and I think we can both agree that should wish him the best of luck for the good of Stoke City 🤝 If this goes horribly wrong it could be a generation before we are back in the top flight. Controversial? They’re not controversial. They usually become the norm 6-12 months down the line as you lot catch up. Me saying Schumacher would be gone in November was me laying bait or being controversial or whatever other bollocks. Or I can just read this shit show really well and thought it was obvious it was going to happen. I’ve been to plenty: we’ve remained shit at home and he clapped the crowd and they clapped back. That’s about it. 3 games - wow. The exception not the rule. The rest was shit under him. I would have sacked him in March and then the board should have got rid in May along with Walters and gone completely fresh again. No you just don’t agree with what I say so deem it controversial despite it usually turning out to be what happens. It’s funny. We will not get back in the top flight as long as the Coates own us. Until more people wake up to that then it doesn’t matter. Sacking Schumacher doesn’t affect us getting promotion. Neither does appointing this bloke. I’m not going to carry on the discussion as I’d like to think we’ve both made our points and we’ll just have to agree to disagree on most of them, which is fine. One thing I totally agree with you on though is if Walters was waiting to sack Schumacher since March (and it’s obvious he was) why didn’t he do it in the summer!? It made no sense delaying it until September. Doing it in the summer would have shown me he has a plan…doing it last Monday indicates he hasn’t got much of one sadly. |
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Post by Roy Cropper on Sept 21, 2024 12:21:27 GMT
The moaning and groaning is fine, part of the game, but there were plenty of absolute dick heads at the game last night.
Bocat was getting screamed at by two bellends by me as he walked off the pitch. Grown men embarrassing themselves. Pissed me off far more than the performance.
It was a bad 45 minutes where a young team were being asked to do something they hadn't done before. I get that people are frustrated (honestly who the fuck isn't) but the reaction has been so over the top.
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 21, 2024 12:25:58 GMT
I don't think many on here have a problem with Pelach himself, what I pick up and agree with is it is about the manner of the sacking of Schumacher.
Once that was done there had to be a replacement. Before the match last night the commentators on Sky alluded to the process being going on for a time which questions the integrity of Walters by undermining Schumacher.
Also it isa fact that Walters lacks managerial experience and that Pelach is a novice.
Everyone is likely to hope it works out but it is doubtful given the circumstances.
Most like me want Stoke to succeed.
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Post by PottersBrim on Sept 21, 2024 12:27:34 GMT
I’m really struggling to understand how we ended up with this guy.
He managed Peralada 59 times. No success but a relegation on his record
Not sure why we were that desperate for a failed head coach from the Spanish 3rd Division.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2024 12:35:21 GMT
Controversial? They’re not controversial. They usually become the norm 6-12 months down the line as you lot catch up. Me saying Schumacher would be gone in November was me laying bait or being controversial or whatever other bollocks. Or I can just read this shit show really well and thought it was obvious it was going to happen. I’ve been to plenty: we’ve remained shit at home and he clapped the crowd and they clapped back. That’s about it. 3 games - wow. The exception not the rule. The rest was shit under him. I would have sacked him in March and then the board should have got rid in May along with Walters and gone completely fresh again. No you just don’t agree with what I say so deem it controversial despite it usually turning out to be what happens. It’s funny. We will not get back in the top flight as long as the Coates own us. Until more people wake up to that then it doesn’t matter. Sacking Schumacher doesn’t affect us getting promotion. Neither does appointing this bloke. I’m not going to carry on the discussion as I’d like to think we’ve both made our points and we’ll just have to agree to disagree on most of them, which is fine. One thing I totally agree with you on though is if Walters was waiting to sack Schumacher since March (and it’s obvious he was) why didn’t he do it in the summer!? It made no sense delaying it until September. Doing it in the summer would have shown me he has a plan…doing it last Monday indicates he hasn’t got much of one sadly. I don’t think it was obvious in March. That was just me decided Schumacher was a coward and been have done with him. I think Walters clicked at the end of the season and wasn’t taken in by the purple patch like he shouldn’t have been. But then there’s no way Walters should have been kept on. Stupid decision by our negligent owner. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 21, 2024 13:03:32 GMT
At least he saw what we saw.
Knackered players, low possession stats and piss poor passing.
Hope he has a plan to address this.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 21, 2024 16:01:02 GMT
At least he saw what we saw. Knackered players, low possession stats and piss poor passing. Hope he has a plan to address this. How the do you turn poor players like Wilmot into good players? Pep would struggle to get most of these Stoke players to play even half decent. It's going to take someone with far more experience than the coach we have now. Trouble is Coates won't find one,he hasn't been able to find one since he took over from his dad. |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Sept 21, 2024 16:07:35 GMT
The first 10 minutes I thought we looked like a well coached pressing team. Then they got knackered. It was no worse than most of Schumacher’s time here overall though. Shit subs. Late subs. Defensive calamities. Pretty standard stuff. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss....We wont get fooled again they say  |
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 24, 2024 8:21:11 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-manager-narcis-pelach-9576529“Detail, intensity, clarity,” said Gibson, when asked what was on the cards from the new head coach. “We’re going to have to work really hard. I know him and what he demands. No one will work harder than him, believe me. The guy’s obsessed, he’s a machine, and we’ll benefit from that.” “Obviously we’re doing different things, we’re being asked to do different things than this football club has done for a long time. We had the craziest week, loads of information to take on board and it’s going to be so different to how it has been for a long time. It’s going to be a rollercoaster, there will be peaks, there will be troughs, we have to be patient.
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Post by pavel on Sept 24, 2024 8:31:51 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-manager-narcis-pelach-9576529“Detail, intensity, clarity,” said Gibson, when asked what was on the cards from the new head coach. “We’re going to have to work really hard. I know him and what he demands. No one will work harder than him, believe me. The guy’s obsessed, he’s a machine, and we’ll benefit from that.” “Obviously we’re doing different things, we’re being asked to do different things than this football club has done for a long time. We had the craziest week, loads of information to take on board and it’s going to be so different to how it has been for a long time. It’s going to be a rollercoaster, there will be peaks, there will be troughs, we have to be patient. Seeing the players don’t seem to be able to carry out the most basic ideas of a hc/ manager it’s going to be interesting times watching them attempt to carry them out once operation overload is in full swing! |
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 24, 2024 8:32:06 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-manager-narcis-pelach-9576529“Detail, intensity, clarity,” said Gibson, when asked what was on the cards from the new head coach. “We’re going to have to work really hard. I know him and what he demands. No one will work harder than him, believe me. The guy’s obsessed, he’s a machine, and we’ll benefit from that.” “Obviously we’re doing different things, we’re being asked to do different things than this football club has done for a long time. We had the craziest week, loads of information to take on board and it’s going to be so different to how it has been for a long time. It’s going to be a rollercoaster, there will be peaks, there will be troughs, we have to be patient. I heard that. Must be honest it made me feel a bit better. I’ve got hope for this guy |
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Post by moon on Sept 24, 2024 8:36:54 GMT
Just listen to him and get behind him. He’s been here 3 days, what do you all expect? Didn’t realise that people liked that useless cockwomble Schumacher so much. But again just emphasises how low the standards have got.
Absolutely no need to abuse him on a personal level just because you didn't like the guys approach, why do you feel the need to resort to that?
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