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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 19, 2024 11:18:14 GMT
What do you know about Pelach that makes you think we could be relegated? Apart from never having been head coach I haven't heard anything to suggest he will be much worse than Schumacher and I would say what I have heard from him is a passion for success above a style of play, a demand that every player fights in every game but an acceptance that there will be set backs and a keeness to work with and improve young players while leaning on the experience of old players. All platitudes I know but at least let's watch a few games before we decide. It's not his fault Schumacher got sacked. I'm not saying we'll definitly go down, I'm saying he's taken a huge risk where going down is a possible outcome. SS at least had managerial/head coaching experience at this level. Which is more than you could say about Pelach, but we'll see. I hope he'll be a success, and I will be giving him a hell lot more than 5 games to prove he can do it. I'd have chosen steady progress and stability instead of gambling, but then again our owner has made all his money taking it from people who like to gamble, so in a way it's fitting. For this to work it truly has to be a three year project that they stick to regardless of results, yes I know it probably won't be if results are terrible. But, if they're really going for it they've got to back themselves (Walters)! |
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Sept 19, 2024 11:22:00 GMT
At the end of the day, it looks like the hierarchy chose a culture, an approach, backed up with recruitment of younger players, that required a very technical understanding of the game, to succeed. And basically they felt SS wasn’t up to it.
If I had to place my bets now, before a ball has been kicked, I’d say they are probably right. The new guy seems more focused and considered.
Less rainy Tuesday night, more Stokealona.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 19, 2024 11:24:15 GMT
I'm not saying we'll definitly go down, I'm saying he's taken a huge risk where going down is a possible outcome. SS at least had managerial/head coaching experience at this level. Which is more than you could say about Pelach, but we'll see. I hope he'll be a success, and I will be giving him a hell lot more than 5 games to prove he can do it. I'd have chosen steady progress and stability instead of gambling, but then again our owner has made all his money taking it from people who like to gamble, so in a way it's fitting. For this to work it truly has to be a three year project that they stick to regardless of results, yes I know it probably won't be if results are terrible. But, if they're really going for it they've got to back themselves (Walters)! Within reason I fully agree. Which is what I thought the Schumacher project was so hence why I've been a bit miffed. They need to make a decision and back them as much as possible. Not if they lose 10 on the spin obviously. But if they win 7 in 10 they should be able to feel safe in their job 🤔 |
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 19, 2024 11:25:53 GMT
Wonder if it'll be a solo unveiling this afternoon, or it'll be a joint one with Walters, as with the Schuey/Tricky one last year? Or maybe this one will essentially just take the form of the standard pre-Hull one? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-narcis-pelach-live-9556516Narcis Pelach set for press unveiling Narcis Pelach will meet the media at Stoke this afternoon. He's taking training at Clayton Wood this morning ahead of Friday night's Championship home match against Hull (8pm). |
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Post by idle on Sept 19, 2024 11:31:29 GMT
What’s the thinking on where we need to finnish to keep his job (surely we can’t sack another one) are we looking at mid table as a minimum? Or are JW and JC expecting playoffs Has to be top half doesn’t it? Absolute minimum IMO. Didn't JC ang JW meantion playoffs "with this squad", or was that JWs fans on here? |
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Post by emretezzy on Sept 19, 2024 11:32:29 GMT
Wonder if it'll be a solo unveiling this afternoon, or it'll be a joint one with Walters, as with the Schuey/Tricky one last year? Or maybe this one will essentially just take the form of the standard pre-Hull one? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-narcis-pelach-live-9556516Narcis Pelach set for press unveiling Narcis Pelach will meet the media at Stoke this afternoon. He's taking training at Clayton Wood this morning ahead of Friday night's Championship home match against Hull (8pm). Walters will be there. Surprised if Corberan Lite gets a word in. |
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Post by idle on Sept 19, 2024 11:35:48 GMT
Wonder if it'll be a solo unveiling this afternoon, or it'll be a joint one with Walters, as with the Schuey/Tricky one last year? Or maybe this one will essentially just take the form of the standard pre-Hull one? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-narcis-pelach-live-9556516Narcis Pelach set for press unveiling Narcis Pelach will meet the media at Stoke this afternoon. He's taking training at Clayton Wood this morning ahead of Friday night's Championship home match against Hull (8pm). It's a good "test" on how correct some of us are on how self-centered JW is. If he doesn't I'll be pleasantly surprised, as I deffo think he'll be there. In the spotlight, trying to shine. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 19, 2024 11:43:18 GMT
tell you what would win me over...if he did something completely off the wall like insisting all the players grow a beard or planted the flag on rivals pitch like Souness did, just something a bit batshit crazy
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 19, 2024 11:43:27 GMT
Wonder if it'll be a solo unveiling this afternoon, or it'll be a joint one with Walters, as with the Schuey/Tricky one last year? Or maybe this one will essentially just take the form of the standard pre-Hull one? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-narcis-pelach-live-9556516Narcis Pelach set for press unveiling Narcis Pelach will meet the media at Stoke this afternoon. He's taking training at Clayton Wood this morning ahead of Friday night's Championship home match against Hull (8pm). It's a good "test" on how correct some of us are on how self-centered JW is. If he doesn't I'll be pleasantly surprised, as I deffo think he'll be there. In the spotlight, trying to shine. DoF is usually there with any new manager unveiling, so would be surprising if he isn't. That's just normal. Nothing to do wanting to shine conspiracy theory nonsense, it's actually someone doing something that is part of their job. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 19, 2024 11:45:47 GMT
It's a good "test" on how correct some of us are on how self-centered JW is. If he doesn't I'll be pleasantly surprised, as I deffo think he'll be there. In the spotlight, trying to shine. DoF is usually there with any new manager unveiling, so would be surprising if he isn't. That's just normal. Nothing to do wanting to shine conspiracy theory nonsense, it's actually someone doing something that is part of their job. yeah it would be odd if he wasn't there |
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Post by senojbor on Sept 19, 2024 11:48:07 GMT
This is a serious set back for us. Would you care to explain why? SS came in because we were in a mess. We were hovering just above the bottom 3 by about 2 points throughout Nov and December, before he was appointed. Okay it took a while to turn things around because of the situation. He eventually identified our best players and MM came in and he got Cundle on loan. He turned things around and we won important games at Hull, Preston and Soton as well as the 6 pointer against Plymouth. The Bristol City win was as good as I've seen Stoke play at home since relegation. After 5 wins including a record scoring away win and I believe the youngest ever starting line up at Plymouth. Things were looking up. It's well known that Walters and him were at odds. This cost him his job. People may say it was the Oxford game that did it. They had made the decision to sack him weeks before that. Now The decision to appoint this Spanish guy is bizzare in the extreme because going by his CV he'd be lucky to get a job manging in league two if he applied for one. So yes, I feel we are back to square one. A serious set back. Also, the way they've gone about it is not my Stoke City. Schumacher was stabbed in the back and he is quite rightly upset and annoyed. We do now have some very good young players, so if they have just appointed a head coach who has no say in the players bought for him or even being allowed to pick the team then this won't end well. I believe the people at club read social media too much. They seriously need to ignore it. Stoke fans turn on a sixpence and after every bad result go overboard with their reaction. I'll leave it at that and won't comment about it anymore, what's done is done. |
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Post by samwidge on Sept 19, 2024 11:50:32 GMT
I think when discussing managers there should be some rules set on here as it gets very confusing (this is in no way aimed at you by the way fella). Should the crossover between season be taken into account? Should cup games be counted? I only mention this as I remember the MON debate when several posters said his decent cup stats needed to be discounted for example. Anyway, there’s a couple of ways of looking at it. One is 7 wins and 3 defeats from 10 as you say. Another is 2 dead rubber wins at the end of last season and a couple of Mickey Mouse cup wins and 3 defeats from 5 in the league to date. My two penneth without knowing what may or may not have gone on behind close doors is that the Watford and Oxford defeats (as well as the 2nd half v West Brom) would have set alarm bells ringing due to the nature of the performances…… Get your point. But as I've said to others making a similar point, 5 league games isn't a fair metric to judge anyone. But either way what's done is done. We've a new guy in now and we all should back him. And if he does well I'll slowly forget what a snake I(personally) think Walters is from my own suppositions. All said and done all us fans want is to see some decent footy on a Saturday afternoon and maybe the chance to dream about better things. Was there a bit of trouble or at least a poor relationship with SS and the previous director of football, Ricky Martin? If so? And not knowing anything about that or the relationship between SS and Walters, but if so, that's 2 bosses that he's had problems with? Plenty of " if so's" in this comment granted. |
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Post by shino on Sept 19, 2024 12:02:14 GMT
Is it different in Catalan? I don't think so but with the Cat fan saying Pelack who knows. My friends speak Cat too. In Catalan ch represents final [k] sound. In the past it was widely used, but nowadays it is only present in some surnames (e.g. Domènech, Albiach). In medieval Catalan it was occasionally used to represent [tʃ] sound. In native French words, ch represents [ʃ] as in chanson (song). |
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Post by rowleyscfc on Sept 19, 2024 12:03:14 GMT
I've felt for a while that a lot of Stoke fans call for people to fail just so they can self inflate their egos if it does happen.
We write managers, players off before they've even had a chance most the time, even Hughes was called to be sacked before giving us what was nothing short of a great 3 years playing some of the best football any Stoke team has ever played, Obviously sad how it ended up.
But fucking hell, at least give the bloke a decent handful of games to put his stamp on it and judge then.
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Post by stokief on Sept 19, 2024 12:04:25 GMT
There must've been a massive increase in the sale of rose-tinted spectacles these past couple of days  The sort that make you see the past in a parallel universe that's all I can say. |
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Post by Los Alfareros on Sept 19, 2024 12:07:28 GMT
Anyone know (or guess!) the reason behind Dean Whitehead?? Is that a JW or NP decision??
Hardly a glittering coaching career from DW, fuck me he was down the Vale for a bit!!!
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 19, 2024 12:32:41 GMT
Get your point. But as I've said to others making a similar point, 5 league games isn't a fair metric to judge anyone. But either way what's done is done. We've a new guy in now and we all should back him. And if he does well I'll slowly forget what a snake I(personally) think Walters is from my own suppositions. All said and done all us fans want is to see some decent footy on a Saturday afternoon and maybe the chance to dream about better things. Was there a bit of trouble or at least a poor relationship with SS and the previous director of football, Ricky Martin? If so? And not knowing anything about that or the relationship between SS and Walters, but if so, that's 2 bosses that he's had problems with? Plenty of " if so's" in this comment granted. Aye. My anger has subsided. Just think its been a very poor showing in how they've dealt with it. And I don't think its a good look treating a generally liked head coach the way they have when there wasn't "obvious" reasons to be moving them on like a raft of losses. But we move on. I'll be keeping an eye on Walters though, got doubts about him and his relationship with JC now. |
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Post by Goonie on Sept 19, 2024 12:37:46 GMT
Was thinking this the other day when Gooch played as a 10 Reminded me of Pulis and Shotton as CF and Diouff as a wingback At least Chicho has been exposed to multiple managers, personnel and formations and hopefully won't be fixated on one formation like someone like Jones did without having the players to fit it I suspect his approach will attract highly motivated and ambitious players as he seems a nurturer and heavily player focused It's a wonderful, wonderful shape though Goonie God willing |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 19, 2024 12:49:30 GMT
Bit disappointed that Gibson wasn't lurking in some Emperor Ming style get up. Am starting to think is no truth in that rumour
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 19, 2024 12:50:00 GMT
Was there a bit of trouble or at least a poor relationship with SS and the previous director of football, Ricky Martin? If so? And not knowing anything about that or the relationship between SS and Walters, but if so, that's 2 bosses that he's had problems with? Plenty of " if so's" in this comment granted. Aye. My anger has subsided. Just think its been a very poor showing in how they've dealt with it. And I don't think its a good look treating a generally liked head coach the way they have when there wasn't "obvious" reasons to be moving them on like a raft of losses. But we move on. I'll be keeping an eye on Walters though, got doubts about him and his relationship with JC now. Yeah this is where I’m at. I’m not particularly loyal to Schumacher outside it looked like he was developing a young team that should turn us a healthy profit in the future and in isolation it does look abit harsh, we were dog shit under Neil, we did improve under Schumacher, whatever metric you look at, with some absolute fucking stinkers thrown in for good measure. He was infinitely more likeable and I do feel he was building the connection between the fans and the club and has got a lot closer then any manager has since the Bojan, Muniesa and Arnie days, but I feel that was the players more then Hughes himself. I have nothing against NP, I’d heard fuck all about him until he was in the press and It’s not like NP is an outstanding candidate that we had to move to get other wise he’d be gone (Cooper/Potter ilk. And I not saying we could have got them). However he comes across well (don’t they all) seems to have a plan and I’ll support him. I feel like egos (both sides) have got in the way of this one and it’s a really poor showing from Walter’s for me. Sounds like NP has been warmed up for a while so why let Schumacher recruit through the summer? Hopefully it comes off, otherwise we could be in serious trouble. An inexperienced manager and an inexperienced squad. Especially the fact a large portion of the fan base were confused by his predecessors sacking and don’t have huge amounts of information on the man himself to have informed opinions. That’s a long way of saying I’ve got cautious scepticism about this one. I just hope he’s successful because I’m totally fucking bored of lurching from HC/Manager to HC/Manager, all the coaching staff, whole new playing staff to ‘suit their style’ while results are dogshit, performances are worse. I said it with Schumacher so I’ll say it for NP, if we believe he’s the right man with the skills, at some point we’re going to have to give someone an extended period of time to build some stability. |
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Sept 19, 2024 12:53:46 GMT
Bit disappointed that Gibson wasn't lurking in some Emperor Ming style get up. Am starting to think is no truth in that rumour What's the rumour with Gibbo? That he was complicit in the Pelach move |
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Post by monsoonmoon on Sept 19, 2024 12:56:31 GMT
I've felt for a while that a lot of Stoke fans call for people to fail just so they can self inflate their egos if it does happen. We write managers, players off before they've even had a chance most the time, even Hughes was called to be sacked before giving us what was nothing short of a great 3 years playing some of the best football any Stoke team has ever played, Obviously sad how it ended up. But fucking hell, at least give the bloke a decent handful of games to put his stamp on it and judge then. Yep, regardless of how anyone feels about what happened to lead to him coming here, none of that was Pelach’s doing. He deserves a clean slate to at least stamp himself and what he wants on the side. Lets judge him on what he does, or doesn't do, here. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 19, 2024 12:57:18 GMT
Wonder if it'll be a solo unveiling this afternoon, or it'll be a joint one with Walters, as with the Schuey/Tricky one last year? Or maybe this one will essentially just take the form of the standard pre-Hull one? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-narcis-pelach-live-9556516Narcis Pelach set for press unveiling Narcis Pelach will meet the media at Stoke this afternoon. He's taking training at Clayton Wood this morning ahead of Friday night's Championship home match against Hull (8pm). Walters will be there. Surprised if Corberan Lite gets a word in. You do talk some shit |
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Post by mattythestokie on Sept 19, 2024 12:58:40 GMT
Can’t wait to find out if he’s tried an oatcake yet.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 19, 2024 13:01:27 GMT
Aye. My anger has subsided. Just think its been a very poor showing in how they've dealt with it. And I don't think its a good look treating a generally liked head coach the way they have when there wasn't "obvious" reasons to be moving them on like a raft of losses. But we move on. I'll be keeping an eye on Walters though, got doubts about him and his relationship with JC now. Yeah this is where I’m at. I’m not particularly loyal to Schumacher outside it looked like he was developing a young team that should turn us a healthy profit in the future and in isolation it does look abit harsh, we were dog shit under Neil, we did improve under Schumacher, whatever metric you look at, with some absolute fucking stinkers thrown in for good measure. He was infinitely more likeable and I do feel he was building the connection between the fans and the club and has got a lot closer then any manager has since the Bojan, Muniesa and Arnie days, but I feel that was the players more then Hughes himself. I have nothing against NP, I’d heard fuck all about him until he was in the press and It’s not like NP is an outstanding candidate that we had to move to get other wise he’d be gone (Cooper/Potter ilk. And I not saying we could have got them). However he comes across well (don’t they all) seems to have a plan and I’ll support him. I feel like egos (both sides) have got in the way of this one and it’s a really poor showing from Walter’s for me. Sounds like NP has been warmed up for a while so why let Schumacher recruit through the summer? Hopefully it comes off, otherwise we could be in serious trouble. An inexperienced manager and an inexperienced squad. Especially the fact a large portion of the fan base were confused by his predecessors sacking and don’t have huge amounts of information on the man himself to have informed opinions. That’s a long way of saying I’ve got cautious scepticism about this one. I just hope he’s successful because I’m totally fucking bored of lurching from HC/Manager to HC/Manager, all the coaching staff, whole new playing staff to ‘suit their style’ while results are dogshit, performances are worse. I said it with Schumacher so I’ll say it for NP, if we believe he’s the right man with the skills, at some point we’re going to have to give someone an extended period of time to build some stability. That makes total sense 👍 |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 19, 2024 13:01:59 GMT
Bit disappointed that Gibson wasn't lurking in some Emperor Ming style get up. Am starting to think is no truth in that rumour What's the rumour with Gibbo? That he was complicit in the Pelach move He was behind the shenanigans someone claimed. |
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Post by slicko on Sept 19, 2024 13:06:59 GMT
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Post by idle on Sept 19, 2024 13:08:29 GMT
It's a good "test" on how correct some of us are on how self-centered JW is. If he doesn't I'll be pleasantly surprised, as I deffo think he'll be there. In the spotlight, trying to shine. DoF is usually there with any new manager unveiling, so would be surprising if he isn't. That's just normal. Nothing to do wanting to shine conspiracy theory nonsense, it's actually someone doing something that is part of their job. There's a difference between being there and taking the spotlight. It's NPs show. And what "conspiracy"? You're just using that as a fancy way of saying bollocks. I don't like JW, plain and simple. No conspiracy. |
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Post by onefatcopper on Sept 19, 2024 13:20:46 GMT
I thought the interview with Pelach was interesting and insightful about his knowledge of the English game and you can’t argue about his experience of the opposite ends of the scale, but one thing concerned me, that was when he was asked about his style of play and he dropped that he was obviously influenced by the Spanish style ?
Now I have little doubt that this talented group of loan and homegrown players can quickly learn any style because they are like sponges and absorb anything, what worries me is the fans, will we have the patience to watch football that’s possession based, playing ten passes when we are used to one long ball lumped forward ?
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Post by starkiller on Sept 19, 2024 13:20:49 GMT
I've felt for a while that a lot of Stoke fans call for people to fail just so they can self inflate their egos if it does happen. We write managers, players off before they've even had a chance most the time, even Hughes was called to be sacked before giving us what was nothing short of a great 3 years playing some of the best football any Stoke team has ever played, Obviously sad how it ended up. But fucking hell, at least give the bloke a decent handful of games to put his stamp on it and judge then. Hughes out van before he was even here. People didn't want Pulis both times he arrived. Red card protests. |
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