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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Sept 18, 2024 21:38:45 GMT
I don’t know what he said last Thursday, but I’m going to assume he gave Schumacher his backing. What I said stands, just because someone says something on day x doesn’t mean they can’t say something on day y and have told the truth on both days. By the same token, it’s sport, it’s business, Walters is no different to any other director of football or manager. I’m not trying to claim that he isn’t going to straight up lie to camera. There are situations where he cannot tell the truth. “Are you behind Steven Schumacher?” “No, I think he’s wank, his midfield seems non existent and he’s playing a utility player in the no10 role” So when you say why should you believe a word he says, well why would you feel the need to believe a word he says? Does it further the interests of SCFC if everything that comes out of his face is the absolute truth? Of course not. I think in football as in any other business for that matter that is about time we had greater transparency, no gagging orders and let the truth come out, whether it be comfortable for us or them. The reality is that we, all of us, contribute to business either directly or by buying their products. Only then can we make a considered decision and have some belief in processes, fairness and fidelity. Only with transparency will we be able not only bring businesses to account but to also bring some belief back into the partnership we all engage in at all levels of human interaction. Something that is sorely lacking in the world currently. What degree of honesty/frankness do you want though? I’m sure we all like to go through life thinking we’re honest as the day is long but in reality most of us are in a constant cycle of lying and half truths just to keep things ticking along. A director of football, be it Walters or anyone, can’t come out on a Thursday and say the managers for the bin and he’s got someone else lined up when he knows full well the existing manager is taking the game on Saturday. Usually, nobody gives a shit about that lie, because you know it’s a lie, it’s already obvious to everyone the current manager is cooked, the vote of confidence trope. The only reason it’s being called out here is because the lie wasn’t already apparent. |
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Post by stokiekm on Sept 18, 2024 21:47:49 GMT
And? You typed shite. I responded See, you've upset me now, I typed an analogy of a length of time permitted for the unfairness/loss/grief/mourning of any situation after responding to if we're negative we should fuck off up the Vale. I included a well reasoned and thought out scenario and you just typed that i'd typed shite. I wonder if Shakespeare went through this. Would it help if I did it in a Spanish accent? Admittedly the fuck off up the vale part wasn't necessary & if anything, stupid. I still don't think your analogy works though, at the end of the day football and all that goes on inside clubs doesn't always relate at all to normal situations such as death. I'm sure Shakespeare would have had similar comments & of course loved the use of the word cunt which is good as I expect he'd have been called it a few times along the way. My main gripe on here at the moment is what I see as incredible negativity towards the new guy. Yes, be pissed off at what's happened but give him a chance, not his fault what's gone on. As for the poster that was suggesting this was pre-meditated, he was involved weeks ago & had involvement in transfers is next level negativity. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 18, 2024 21:49:52 GMT
Fair enough. So at Manchester City do you think PEP tells the Sporting Director the style of play he intends to adopt and then asks the SD to find him players that suit. Or do you think the Sporting Director tells PEP what style he wants the club to adopt and then gets him players to suit. If you don't have clear guidelines on how this works then you have potential chaos, which might be what is happening at Stoke. Surely the model (even at Man City) is that the Club/Sporting Director decide the style of play and their approach to transfers (age etc) then go out and find the best coach to fit that model. (Everyone knew his style of management, preferred method of play and the type of players he prefers in advance). The system works best when both are on the same page about style and personnel. When Pep decides to leave, I would expect a Pep clone to be appointed as his successor and the current style of play to be continued. Are you really saying that when Man City appointed Pep they said, "This is the style of football we expect you to play so don't bring any new fancy ideas with you."? I can understand the clone being appointed to fill his shoes when he goes but to appoint the best manager in the world and tell him how to play, even if it was just to play in the Barcelona style is just inconceivable. |
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Post by Marc01 on Sept 18, 2024 21:51:07 GMT
Over six and a half years from targeting Spaniard Quique Sánchez Flores
To Spaniard Chico with his own social media:
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Post by roscoepcoltrane on Sept 18, 2024 21:54:20 GMT
Someone who certainly was a winner was Roy Keane. I always find it very hard to shake the feeling that his assessment of Jonny Walters’ character was more or less correct. What was that assessment? My recollection was that Walters simply refused to be bullied by him. Then Keane did his usual “big hard man” bollocks by telling anyone who’d listen that he called him on for a fight and that Walter’s “knows where he lives”. Pathetic. |
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Post by gaznandi on Sept 18, 2024 22:00:05 GMT
See, you've upset me now, I typed an analogy of a length of time permitted for the unfairness/loss/grief/mourning of any situation after responding to if we're negative we should fuck off up the Vale. I included a well reasoned and thought out scenario and you just typed that i'd typed shite. I wonder if Shakespeare went through this. Would it help if I did it in a Spanish accent? Admittedly the fuck off up the vale part wasn't necessary & if anything, stupid. I still don't think your analogy works though, at the end of the day football and all that goes on inside clubs doesn't always relate at all to normal situations such as death. I'm sure Shakespeare would have had similar comments & of course loved the use of the word cunt which is good as I expect he'd have been called it a few times along the way. My main gripe on here at the moment is what I see as incredible negativity towards the new guy. Yes, be pissed off at what's happened but give him a chance, not his fault what's gone on. As for the poster that was suggesting this was pre-meditated, he was involved weeks ago & had involvement in transfers is next level negativity. I've already openly said on social media its not the new guys fault, we'd all do it, grab the chance to manage a higher position at a multiple wage increase. Can I support him given the way its been done, personally, I'm not sure, the team though, always. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 18, 2024 22:06:39 GMT
So all the on the pitch football decisions are taken by the coach, that is team selection, tactics, the style of play etc. The Sporting Director does not involve himself with the playing side, other than recruitment. Is that how you see it. Not entirely i think the Director of football has an over arching vision for the club that might include identity and style of play, and systems of play, that obviously has bearing on recruitment and building a team to fit the system, he then brings in a coach to work with the recruited players and within the system/ethos...is how i see it. The key is that the coach then becomes just another variable like a player who for whatever isn't performing/adhering to system can be replaced with minimal disruption and without the need to rebuild the team from scratch in the new coaches image (like the old manager system)...thats the theory "The level of the squad is good. I believe in them and I will create a playing style that suits their qualities." This quote from Pelach's interview suggests it is up to him to decide the style of play not Walters. |
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Post by etebojan on Sept 18, 2024 22:07:38 GMT
Admittedly the fuck off up the vale part wasn't necessary & if anything, stupid. I still don't think your analogy works though, at the end of the day football and all that goes on inside clubs doesn't always relate at all to normal situations such as death. I'm sure Shakespeare would have had similar comments & of course loved the use of the word cunt which is good as I expect he'd have been called it a few times along the way. My main gripe on here at the moment is what I see as incredible negativity towards the new guy. Yes, be pissed off at what's happened but give him a chance, not his fault what's gone on. As for the poster that was suggesting this was pre-meditated, he was involved weeks ago & had involvement in transfers is next level negativity. I've already openly said on social media its not the new guys fault, we'd all do it, grab the chance to manage a higher position at a multiple wage increase. Can I support him given the way its been done, personally, I'm not sure, the team though, always. So its not his fault but you can’t support him as manager? |
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Post by etebojan on Sept 18, 2024 22:10:04 GMT
Not entirely i think the Director of football has an over arching vision for the club that might include identity and style of play, and systems of play, that obviously has bearing on recruitment and building a team to fit the system, he then brings in a coach to work with the recruited players and within the system/ethos...is how i see it. The key is that the coach then becomes just another variable like a player who for whatever isn't performing/adhering to system can be replaced with minimal disruption and without the need to rebuild the team from scratch in the new coaches image (like the old manager system)...thats the theory "The level of the squad is good. I believe in them and I will create a playing style that suits their qualities." This quote from Pelach's interview suggests it is up to him to decide the style of play not Walters. I read that as completely the opposite that he would work to create a style of play with what we have in the building/our recruited players strengths and he wouldn’t impose his own style of play and try and make our players fit into his own system. In other words he will build a system to work within our vision and current recruitment. Or in other words he will not play Gooch as a number 10 or wherever he was shoehorned at Oxford |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 18, 2024 22:17:00 GMT
Looking at his teeth he must be a Narcis-sist lol.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 18, 2024 22:18:01 GMT
"The level of the squad is good. I believe in them and I will create a playing style that suits their qualities." This quote from Pelach's interview suggests it is up to him to decide the style of play not Walters. I read that as completely the opposite that he would work with what we have in the building and he wouldn’t impose his own style of play He is saying he will work with what we have (he doesn't really have any choice atm anyway) but he says" I will create a style of play to suit them, "so Walters hasn't told him how to use the players or what style of play he is expected to use. |
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Post by etebojan on Sept 18, 2024 22:27:02 GMT
I read that as completely the opposite that he would work with what we have in the building and he wouldn’t impose his own style of play He is saying he will work with what we have (he doesn't really have any choice atm anyway) but he says" I will create a style of play to suit them, "so Walters hasn't told him how to use the players or what style of play he is expected to use. I have no idea what Walters has talked to him about and or asked of him. Our system /vision might simply be a high level style of play and preferred formation(s) which we have recruited for. Chicho saying he’s going to play players to their strengths is effectively saying he’s going to play players in their respective and recruited positions. And not going off piste - ala SS for Oxford |
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Post by senojbor on Sept 18, 2024 22:37:47 GMT
This is a serious set back for us.
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Post by etebojan on Sept 18, 2024 22:41:01 GMT
This is a serious set back for us. jesus odia a cristo |
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Post by march4 on Sept 18, 2024 22:51:50 GMT
First target is to get past Kamara’s two and half months in charge.
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Post by thepottypotter on Sept 19, 2024 4:23:38 GMT
It's certainly a massive gamble Emre, but we can only hope it's a master stroke and we can challenge the top end of the league for once. Mate if it's a masterstroke fair enough. I just can't see it at all. As always he will get my absolute full backing but nothing to me adds up at all. In the half hour interview just released. He sounds like he's won the lottery. He has! Very well paid job now. If sacked, tonnes of compensation. It’s a nice gig being a football manager! |
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Post by mrnovember on Sept 19, 2024 4:42:37 GMT
I hope, for his sake and ours, that he deletes that Twitter account. I'm not sure my cringe glands can take the potential post game interactions.
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Post by cdf on Sept 19, 2024 5:12:18 GMT
Don't you wanna get out of line
Ev'rybody say what time is it
(What time is it)
It's Chico Time
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Sept 19, 2024 5:17:08 GMT
Really hope that Narcis hits the ground running & more importantly appeases the doubters.
Sadly now it has the feeling that one shit half of football, one team set up that scratches the head or one substitution even that goes wrong & it will be the sharpening of knives again
Really wish you well chap & getting the team a firing/ well oiled machine will win a lot people over easily
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Post by sportsman on Sept 19, 2024 5:26:07 GMT
Reading the absolute miserable weapons on here is embarrassing. Crying over a manager just left who every week the same people were baffled by team selection, dull games, reactive substitutions.
Christ, some have way too much time on their hands to constantly post depressing shit, or are they taking out their boring miserable lives out on here?
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Sept 19, 2024 5:55:58 GMT
Oh and its Pel - atch, not Pel - ack FFS They've just had someone from the Stoke Catalan Supporters Club on the radio, and he was definitely in the PELL-ACK camp! I've got a Basque mate who said Ch in Spanish is a Tch sound. Also there is a stress on the e. Chichurito Churos Pelatch |
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Post by idle on Sept 19, 2024 6:18:44 GMT
Reading the absolute miserable weapons on here is embarrassing. Crying over a manager just left who every week the same people were baffled by team selection, dull games, reactive substitutions. Christ, some have way too much time on their hands to constantly post depressing shit, or are they taking out their boring miserable lives out on here? It could see us go down. Some people fear the results of this foolhardy gamble JW has taken. I'm not a complete yes-man like yourself. And I'm pretty certain you've wanted SS gone for a goos while. Bias is a bitch |
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Post by lordb on Sept 19, 2024 6:22:11 GMT
They've just had someone from the Stoke Catalan Supporters Club on the radio, and he was definitely in the PELL-ACK camp! I've got a Basque mate who said Ch in Spanish is a Tch sound. Also there is a stress on the e. Chichurito Churos Pelatch Is it different in Catalan? |
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Post by serpico on Sept 19, 2024 6:23:49 GMT
This is either a genius decision or a sign of a club flailing around in a blind panic a mere 5 games in! To appoint a 36 year old with virtually no experience of being a head coach is, imo, pretty crazy and it could easily go tits up very swiftly, it’s a huge gamble! time will tell I suppose. Good luck to him!
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Post by wuzza on Sept 19, 2024 6:31:27 GMT
This is either a genius decision or a sign of a club flailing around in a blind panic a mere 5 games in! To appoint a 36 year old with virtually no experience of being a head coach is, imo, pretty crazy and it could easily go tits up very swiftly, it’s a huge gamble! time will tell I suppose. Good luck to him! It is a gamble but I don’t think it’s a blind panic. Let’s be honest we could have just trundled on with SS and probably finished a place or two higher in the league. Nothing to panic about there - easy life for all concerned. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 19, 2024 6:45:04 GMT
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 19, 2024 6:48:28 GMT
The three "B's" for me.
Bold,
Brave
& either
Brilliant or
Batshit crazy.
Time will tell.
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Post by Ron on Sept 19, 2024 6:52:26 GMT
Really hope that Narcis hits the ground running & more importantly appeases the doubters. Sadly now it has the feeling that one shit half of football, one team set up that scratches the head or one substitution even that goes wrong & it will be the sharpening of knives again Really wish you well chap & getting the team a firing/ well oiled machine will win a lot people over easily be fair- the knives were not exactly out for Schumacher were they? |
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Post by serpico on Sept 19, 2024 6:55:52 GMT
This is either a genius decision or a sign of a club flailing around in a blind panic a mere 5 games in! To appoint a 36 year old with virtually no experience of being a head coach is, imo, pretty crazy and it could easily go tits up very swiftly, it’s a huge gamble! time will tell I suppose. Good luck to him! It is a gamble but I don’t think it’s a blind panic. Let’s be honest we could have just trundled on with SS and probably finished a place or two higher in the league. Nothing to panic about there - easy life for all concerned. It doesn’t seem very well planned though, does it ? It was only a few short months ago that John Coates was telling us that SS was the main reason for supporters to have hope in the future! Decisions made in haste often are wrong ones but football is a funny game, it might work out 🤷♂️ if I was a betting man I’d say it won’t but my opinion is coloured by the fact Stoke seem absolutely incapable of appointing a competent manager/head coach. |
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Post by BristolMick on Sept 19, 2024 7:00:24 GMT
See, you've upset me now, I typed an analogy of a length of time permitted for the unfairness/loss/grief/mourning of any situation after responding to if we're negative we should fuck off up the Vale. I included a well reasoned and thought out scenario and you just typed that i'd typed shite. I wonder if Shakespeare went through this. Would it help if I did it in a Spanish accent? Admittedly the fuck off up the vale part wasn't necessary & if anything, stupid. I still don't think your analogy works though, at the end of the day football and all that goes on inside clubs doesn't always relate at all to normal situations such as death. I'm sure Shakespeare would have had similar comments & of course loved the use of the word cunt which is good as I expect he'd have been called it a few times along the way. My main gripe on here at the moment is what I see as incredible negativity towards the new guy. Yes, be pissed off at what's happened but give him a chance, not his fault what's gone on. As for the poster that was suggesting this was pre-meditated, he was involved weeks ago & had involvement in transfers is next level negativity. The poster who said it was premeditated was his cousin, so give the guy a break he’s probably feeling pretty raw. Agree though that we have to fully support Narcís. An exciting appointment at long last. BM |
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