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Post by stokiekm on Sept 18, 2024 20:50:01 GMT
Get behind the new manager or fuck off up the Vale. So much negativity on here it’s ridiculous It's hard to believe isn't it. Astounding really |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 18, 2024 20:51:35 GMT
A foreign coach in the Coates era - who would have thought. A man with very little experience at this level again, but I like his story though and can see the attraction, loved his interview - the new Pep is at Stoke - watch out Man City What are the 5 phases of play, he mentions, though  1. Build-Up Play (Defensive Third) 2. Progressing Through the Mid-Block (Middle Third) 3. Beating a Low Block (Attacking Third) 4. Finishing in the Box (Final Third) 5. Attacking Set-Pieces (Free Kicks, Corners) Seems that at Stoke we have only been able to count up to 3.  You can guarantee to hear something along the lines of “get it bloody forward” before half time. |
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Post by etebojan on Sept 18, 2024 20:52:44 GMT
Get behind the new manager or fuck off up the Vale. So much negativity on here it’s ridiculous (Monday morning) Dad - "Son, your dogs dead, I'm sorry but he was from Liverpool so who really cares, get a grip" (Monday lunchtime) Dad- " Son, you have a new Spanish puppy, now stop fucking crying, he'll kill any intruders, solve mysteries and win crufts, minimum" Your old managers been sacked but has been paid more compensation than most of us will earn in our lives....it's sad he was nice, he'll be more than fine and set for life. The new manager seems more inspiring, articulate, and damn it just Spanish and sexy. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 18, 2024 20:54:13 GMT
Has the wondercoach from Lincoln definitely been let go? It seems strange to have cut the coaching staff down to a skeleton crew.
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Post by gaznandi on Sept 18, 2024 20:54:39 GMT
(Monday morning) Dad - "Son, your dogs dead, I'm sorry but he was from Liverpool so who really cares, get a grip" (Monday lunchtime) Dad- " Son, you have a new Spanish puppy, now stop fucking crying, he'll kill any intruders, solve mysteries and win crufts, minimum" Your old managers been sacked but has been paid more compensation than most of us will earn in our lives....it's sad he was nice, he'll be more than fine and set for life. . Same as will happen with the new one. What's your point? |
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Post by etebojan on Sept 18, 2024 20:57:56 GMT
Your old managers been sacked but has been paid more compensation than most of us will earn in our lives....it's sad he was nice, he'll be more than fine and set for life. . Same as will happen with the new one. What's your point? was going to ask the same question, just adding my own spin |
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 18, 2024 20:58:49 GMT
The fact that he was already lined up poses quite a few questions. 1) How long has he been lined up behind Schumacher's back? 2) If it's quite a while then how many of the new players we've signed had already had the seal of approval from Pelach? 3) Was SJW so nefarious that he's been undermining Schuey for quite a while? And a final comment. SJW is a winner. I don't know any winners that were not ruthless b'stards when they needed to be. There will be three losers if this goes all tits up... SCFC, SJW, and us fans. Best hope it works. OS. Re point 2, that's easy none, all Walters approved and no one else And you know this how? |
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Post by pavel on Sept 18, 2024 20:58:55 GMT
What about what he said last Thursday? I don’t know what he said last Thursday, but I’m going to assume he gave Schumacher his backing. What I said stands, just because someone says something on day x doesn’t mean they can’t say something on day y and have told the truth on both days. By the same token, it’s sport, it’s business, Walters is no different to any other director of football or manager. I’m not trying to claim that he isn’t going to straight up lie to camera. There are situations where he cannot tell the truth. “Are you behind Steven Schumacher?” “No, I think he’s wank, his midfield seems non existent and he’s playing a utility player in the no10 role” So when you say why should you believe a word he says, well why would you feel the need to believe a word he says? Does it further the interests of SCFC if everything that comes out of his face is the absolute truth? Of course not. I think in football as in any other business for that matter that is about time we had greater transparency, no gagging orders and let the truth come out, whether it be comfortable for us or them. The reality is that we, all of us, contribute to business either directly or by buying their products. Only then can we make a considered decision and have some belief in processes, fairness and fidelity. Only with transparency will we be able not only bring businesses to account but to also bring some belief back into the partnership we all engage in at all levels of human interaction. Something that is sorely lacking in the world currently. |
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 18, 2024 20:58:58 GMT
Welcome Chicho.
You will find there are lots of nice jigsaw pieces in the box.
You just have to work out which ones make the best picture and which ones to leave in the box.
Best of luck.
If you read this MB, you'll soon learn the only freedom of movement I like is on the pitch.
Pleased to see Deano back to bite a few backsides.
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Post by stokiekm on Sept 18, 2024 20:59:51 GMT
Your old managers been sacked but has been paid more compensation than most of us will earn in our lives....it's sad he was nice, he'll be more than fine and set for life. . Same as will happen with the new one. What's your point? Not sure it matters as your post wasn't relevant. You can't compare this situation to a dog |
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Post by gaznandi on Sept 18, 2024 21:00:37 GMT
Has the wondercoach from Lincoln definitely been let go? It seems strange to have cut the coaching staff down to a skeleton crew. He has but we've installed a wonder coach from Norwich reserves who has a sexy accent, sexy eyebrows and talks beautifully for 30 minutes, so we're pissing the league. Oh, he also quotes the club motto on twitter so that makes him godlike already before a ball is kicked. |
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Post by gaznandi on Sept 18, 2024 21:01:31 GMT
Same as will happen with the new one. What's your point? Not sure it matters as your post wasn't relevant. You can't compare this situation to a dog Thanks for your input. |
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Post by etebojan on Sept 18, 2024 21:01:48 GMT
Has the wondercoach from Lincoln definitely been let go? It seems strange to have cut the coaching staff down to a skeleton crew. He has but we've installed a wonder coach from Norwich reserves who has a sexy accent, sexy eyebrows and talks beautifully for 30 minutes, so we're pissing the league. Oh, he also quotes the club motto on twitter so that makes him godlike already before a ball is kicked. yes yes and yes |
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Post by MilanStokie on Sept 18, 2024 21:02:09 GMT
Tbf they were his first ventures into coaching and he was 25-30 years old.... Fine to be cautious, naive to write him off before he's even unpacked. Let's get onboard and give him 100% support! 1. I think its pretty clear the results aren't the reason why the change has happened. 2. He also had a 40% loss rate. PPG is a much better metric and that shows he isn't much different than AN or MON. 3. We are venturing into the unknown for the first time really since we gambled on Boskamp, no one has a clue how it's going to go, so we should just give our 100% support and hope we have stumbled across something amazing. |
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Post by stokiekm on Sept 18, 2024 21:02:27 GMT
Has the wondercoach from Lincoln definitely been let go? It seems strange to have cut the coaching staff down to a skeleton crew. He has but we've installed a wonder coach from Norwich reserves who has a sexy accent, sexy eyebrows and talks beautifully for 30 minutes, so we're pissing the league. Oh, he also quotes the club motto on twitter so that makes him godlike already before a ball is kicked. Is it too much to ask for you to let him at least manage one game before throwing yourself fully into the 'he's failed' basket? |
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Post by stokiekm on Sept 18, 2024 21:02:41 GMT
Not sure it matters as your post wasn't relevant. You can't compare this situation to a dog Thanks for your input. And yours |
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Post by gaznandi on Sept 18, 2024 21:03:32 GMT
I didn't ask for yours, you responded to mine. |
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Post by stokiekm on Sept 18, 2024 21:04:16 GMT
I didn't ask for yours, you responded to mine. And? You typed shite. I responded |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 18, 2024 21:04:53 GMT
I don’t know what he said last Thursday, but I’m going to assume he gave Schumacher his backing. What I said stands, just because someone says something on day x doesn’t mean they can’t say something on day y and have told the truth on both days. By the same token, it’s sport, it’s business, Walters is no different to any other director of football or manager. I’m not trying to claim that he isn’t going to straight up lie to camera. There are situations where he cannot tell the truth. “Are you behind Steven Schumacher?” “No, I think he’s wank, his midfield seems non existent and he’s playing a utility player in the no10 role” So when you say why should you believe a word he says, well why would you feel the need to believe a word he says? Does it further the interests of SCFC if everything that comes out of his face is the absolute truth? Of course not. I think in football as in any other business for that matter that is about time we had greater transparency, no gagging orders and let the truth come out, whether it be comfortable for us or them. The reality is that we, all of us, contribute to business either directly or by buying their products. Only then can we make a considered decision and have some belief in processes, fairness and fidelity. Only with transparency will we be able not only bring businesses to account but to also bring some belief back into the partnership we all engage in at all levels of human interaction. Something that is sorely lacking in the world currently. If only |
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Sept 18, 2024 21:06:46 GMT
We need to judge this on the facts and not emotions. We are told he's a good coach and yes he's a very good speaker. At the same time he was not successful in Spain where he spent 6 years in various coaching positions. None of the English teams he spent time with gave him the managers job. There's a big difference between being a coach and being a manager. Having said that we should not judge him on early results, good or bad, but give him time to achieve success. It's vital that this decision proves to be right, heaven help us if it fails. Good job he’s been appointed as a coach then. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 18, 2024 21:07:04 GMT
Oooohhhhh! Juicy. More importantly Narcís asked Bojan if he’s free to do some forward coaching! is this actually true? or just made us amongst a sea of unknown information? Well Bunny has a bit of an in so I was assuming it was genuine!? |
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Post by Han Solo on Sept 18, 2024 21:07:24 GMT
Just watching his interview. Very impressive.
Comes across as a very intelligent and articulate man. Really does look the part. A real cool customer.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 18, 2024 21:09:06 GMT
Not entirely i think the Director of football has an over arching vision for the club that might include identity and style of play, and systems of play, that obviously has bearing on recruitment and building a team to fit the system, he then brings in a coach to work with the recruited players and within the system/ethos...is how i see it. The key is that the coach then becomes just another variable like a player who for whatever isn't performing/adhering to system can be replaced with minimal disruption and without the need to rebuild the team from scratch in the new coaches image (like the old manager system)...thats the theory Fair enough. So at Manchester City do you think PEP tells the Sporting Director the style of play he intends to adopt and then asks the SD to find him players that suit. Or do you think the Sporting Director tells PEP what style he wants the club to adopt and then gets him players to suit. If you don't have clear guidelines on how this works then you have potential chaos, which might be what is happening at Stoke. Not sure Pep is told how his team should play somehow, the director will influence who he can sign and the long term football direction but that's it and how it should be. |
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Sept 18, 2024 21:10:34 GMT
Good luck to him. What a crazy few days. If he knows the players, been analysing performance then the first thing he's got to do is get Burger and Bae in and tell them to shape up and get their heads in the game. These two need to get on it. Could make a massive difference. Focus!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 18, 2024 21:11:00 GMT
We need to judge this on the facts and not emotions. We are told he's a good coach and yes he's a very good speaker. At the same time he was not successful in Spain where he spent 6 years in various coaching positions. None of the English teams he spent time with gave him the managers job. There's a big difference between being a coach and being a manager. Having said that we should not judge him on early results, good or bad, but give him time to achieve success. It's vital that this decision proves to be right, heaven help us if it fails. Good job he’s been appointed as a coach then. We have just sacked a good coach without giving him time, good luck to this lad but it's a tough job. |
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Post by stokiekm on Sept 18, 2024 21:11:18 GMT
Just watching his interview. Very impressive. Comes across as a very intelligent and articulate man. Really does look the part. A real cool customer. It's his knowledge of game phases and the championship in general that got me. Can't remember hearing any stoke coach talk like they really understand the league. Liked the part about never expecting to win against say bottom teams as anyone can beat anyone. Isn't that exactly the opposite to what we heard after Oxford... we thought we'd just win as we're better |
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Post by geoff321 on Sept 18, 2024 21:20:57 GMT
I'm fine with that and will get behind him. As a matter of interest if he completes 32 games with a win rate of 40% would you keep him. 1. I think its pretty clear the results aren't the reason why the change has happened. 2. He also had a 40% loss rate. PPG is a much better metric and that shows he isn't much different than AN or MON. 3. We are venturing into the unknown for the first time really since we gambled on Boskamp, no one has a clue how it's going to go, so we should just give our 100% support and hope we have stumbled across something amazing. Fair enough. My take on this is there was no valid reason to sack SS after 5 games of the new season. In that respect therefore there was no reason to gamble. However the deed is done and we have to get behind the new manager. For the very first time I'm now concerned about how the club is being run at the very top. We won't get success by continually changing managers or by having conflict between the SD and Team Manager. Have we stumbled on a gem, lets hope so. |
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Post by gaznandi on Sept 18, 2024 21:21:10 GMT
I didn't ask for yours, you responded to mine. And? You typed shite. I responded See, you've upset me now, I typed an analogy of a length of time permitted for the unfairness/loss/grief/mourning of any situation after responding to if we're negative we should fuck off up the Vale. I included a well reasoned and thought out scenario and you just typed that i'd typed shite. I wonder if Shakespeare went through this. Would it help if I did it in a Spanish accent? |
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 18, 2024 21:30:30 GMT
I've just watched his interview on the Stoke YouYube channel.
He looks like a hypersexual Carl Muggleton.
I'm sold.
(and tumescent)
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 18, 2024 21:33:01 GMT
I've just watched his interview on the Stoke YouYube channel. He looks like a hypersexual Carl Muggleton. I'm sold. (and tumescent) I was in a queue behind Muggers in a chip shop once. Actually, weirdly, twice. True. When handed his chips he dropped them and I stepped in to catch them. False. But I was ready and primed in case he actually did drop them. True. |
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