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Post by 36dd on Sept 17, 2024 17:07:51 GMT
Very much so, this could be a natural disaster and as a season ticket holder buying it in good faith, feels this appointment smells of Chic Bates, Chris Kamara & Paul Lambert …….with a soupçon of Mad Nath and a sprinkling of Boskamp. Jeez, dunna depress me more 😂 |
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Post by lordb on Sept 17, 2024 17:08:43 GMT
…….with a soupçon of Mad Nath and a sprinkling of Boskamp. Jeez, dunna depress me more 😂 Everyone single one of them,even Kammy,had superior record than our new head coach |
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Post by UNKLE on Sept 17, 2024 17:09:43 GMT
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Post by 36dd on Sept 17, 2024 17:13:06 GMT
Jeez, dunna depress me more 😂 Everyone single one of them,even Kammy,had superior record than our new head coach Exactly another reason to be concerned |
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Post by Ron on Sept 17, 2024 17:14:18 GMT
Well.. it looks like we gone all “ trendy ” and gone for the “Pep disciple” Spaniard. It smacks of “fuck it nowt else has worked”. They must have been tipped off about him at some point… and he must come highly rated to take the plunge… but this isn’t someone who has been coaching at the top level, like Danny Rohl at Sheff Weds who’s been involved in the German set up as assistant having coached at Bayern and Leipzig.
This really is a naive stab in the dark.
Like I say- nowt else has worked- but this for me is Russian roulette, after egos got in the way of SS progressing.
All on Walters of its a disaster, which I think it will be. We just don’t learn do we. I’m glad I’m out of the country at present as at least I’m simply watching them on tv. The club is an absolute basket case - and all down to one man- John Coates.
Anyway- I really hope im wrong and the guy knows what he’s doing.
He can’t be any worse than our last few mangers ( bar MON- who I now think we were silly not to stick with- he steadied the ship and at least had us looking like we could challenge for a while).
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 17, 2024 17:16:19 GMT
Jeez, dunna depress me more 😂 Everyone single one of them,even Kammy,had superior record than our new head coach Christ M'Lord, that's a sobering thought and I've been very critical of the move. In starting to get over it, I just hope we see his style, he's thoughts and some bravery. Hold on to your hat. |
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Sept 17, 2024 17:17:04 GMT
The one difference between manager and Head Coach I thought was that they could be changed and a new one slotted in with little disruption. With Shuey and all of his back room staff being given the heave hoe how much different is the model? Obviously if he was a "manager" then I doubt he would have had a JW sacking him but still? On a side note, how long does this new guy get? I really don't want it to unfold this way, but its such a gamble Im really not sure it was worth doing? say 10 games down the line and we have only added another say 6 points to the board and very much staring down the barrel? For me the biggest problem we have had since relegation is that we have not attempted to go for an experienced "name" of a manager, I get it that we do not have the pull to get a Moyes etc, but a higher profile manager with a bit of authority would have been great. Instead we have had an argumentative prick, a complete nut job, an experienced steady pair of hands (who did what he needed to do to clear up the financial black hole of the previous two), then the most arrogant arsehole you could ever meet and then Shuey. Now we have gone for a complete rookie who talks a good game. I think if you add up all the pay offs we seem to have got ourselves in to, we could have afforded a manager/head coach with some gravitas, one with contacts, one that players look up to and want to play well for. Over to you Walters, but honestly this on the surface is another chapter in the book "How buy failure, spectacularly" The thing is, when you talk about “names” you really need to state which names you think we should have gone for. I’m struggling to think of one we could have got who doesn’t have as many failures as successes at this level. Are you talking Dyche, Moyes, Nuno? Bruce, allardyce? Because the level below that sits Neil and he was a failure. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 17, 2024 17:17:59 GMT
Give me some sexy Spanish footy over the ghastly shite we've had to endure over the past decade. Exciting times on the horizon for this tragically underperforming club.
Can he bring in Bojan as his assistant? ☺️
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Post by bigun1863 on Sept 17, 2024 17:18:07 GMT
Been told it’s all done
Announcement tomorrow 😉
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Post by LH_SCFC on Sept 17, 2024 17:18:50 GMT
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Post by jontimmis on Sept 17, 2024 17:21:29 GMT
Never been a head coach. Great I can see this lasting till Xmas and we maybe going in another direction.
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Sept 17, 2024 17:22:06 GMT
How much of this “bold” move has been brought about by a newly discovered lack of fear of relegation to league 1.
Have they looked at it and thought, if it works, great, if it’s a disaster and we go down we can throw money at it with no FFP constraints.
Has what Ipswich did and what Birmingham are trying to do pushed them into a more aggressive mindset?
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Post by ParaPsych on Sept 17, 2024 17:24:12 GMT
Oi OddStokie, was this a secret emergency message to get the amigos back together? |
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Post by stokefanone on Sept 17, 2024 17:24:59 GMT
Good luck senor pelach!
Let’s hope that you can get a tune out of this broken fiddle
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Post by Billy the kid on Sept 17, 2024 17:25:08 GMT
The one difference between manager and Head Coach I thought was that they could be changed and a new one slotted in with little disruption. With Shuey and all of his back room staff being given the heave hoe how much different is the model? Obviously if he was a "manager" then I doubt he would have had a JW sacking him but still? On a side note, how long does this new guy get? I really don't want it to unfold this way, but its such a gamble Im really not sure it was worth doing? say 10 games down the line and we have only added another say 6 points to the board and very much staring down the barrel? For me the biggest problem we have had since relegation is that we have not attempted to go for an experienced "name" of a manager, I get it that we do not have the pull to get a Moyes etc, but a higher profile manager with a bit of authority would have been great. Instead we have had an argumentative prick, a complete nut job, an experienced steady pair of hands (who did what he needed to do to clear up the financial black hole of the previous two), then the most arrogant arsehole you could ever meet and then Shuey. Now we have gone for a complete rookie who talks a good game. I think if you add up all the pay offs we seem to have got ourselves in to, we could have afforded a manager/head coach with some gravitas, one with contacts, one that players look up to and want to play well for. Over to you Walters, but honestly this on the surface is another chapter in the book "How buy failure, spectacularly" The thing is, when you talk about “names” you really need to state which names you think we should have gone for. I’m struggling to think of one we could have got who doesn’t have as many failures as successes at this level. Are you talking Dyche, Moyes, Nuno? Bruce, allardyce? Because the level below that sits Neil and he was a failure. Slaven Bilić, Valérien Ismaël, Carlos Corberan or David Wagner all have taken champoinship gigs since our relegation. |
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Post by a on Sept 17, 2024 17:26:15 GMT
Give me some sexy Spanish footy over the ghastly shite we've had to endure over the past decade. Exciting times on the horizon for this tragically underperforming club. Can he bring in Bojan as his assistant? ☺️ Decade?! 😂 |
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Post by generationex on Sept 17, 2024 17:26:46 GMT
Ah well. Plenty fancied the DofF model and looks like we’ve gone balls deep.
Until we ditch it in March, poach Corberan, sack Walters, and tell him he’s in sole control of everything if he joins!
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Sept 17, 2024 17:38:39 GMT
The thing is, when you talk about “names” you really need to state which names you think we should have gone for. I’m struggling to think of one we could have got who doesn’t have as many failures as successes at this level. Are you talking Dyche, Moyes, Nuno? Bruce, allardyce? Because the level below that sits Neil and he was a failure. Slaven Bilić, Valérien Ismaël, Carlos Corberan or David Wagner all have taken champoinship gigs since our relegation. Yeah, but all at a time where the clubs they went to were not in the sort of financial straight jacket we were. Norwich and Albion never really got themselves in quite the pickle we managed to. Were we really going to get one of them to come in and trim the squad back? Feels unlikely even if you’re having them as names, which aside for one I’m probably not. Maybe Wagner but he has 3 consecutive failures under his belt now. Ismaels record at WBA and Watford looks little better than what anyone we’ve had has produced. Corberan was in a job when we appointed Neil. He’s the one you can really argue is a name but I don’t think the timelines match up. Bilic? Pfft. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 17, 2024 17:38:54 GMT
Give me some sexy Spanish footy over the ghastly shite we've had to endure over the past decade. Exciting times on the horizon for this tragically underperforming club. Can he bring in Bojan as his assistant? ☺️ What style of football does he favour? I honestly know nothing about him. |
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Post by Billy the kid on Sept 17, 2024 17:41:05 GMT
Slaven Bilić, Valérien Ismaël, Carlos Corberan or David Wagner all have taken champoinship gigs since our relegation. Yeah, but all at a time where the clubs they went to were not in the sort of financial straight jacket we were. Norwich and Albion never really got themselves in quite the pickle we managed to. Were we really going to get one of them to come in and trim the squad back? Feels unlikely even if you’re having them as names, which aside for one I’m probably not. Maybe Wagner but he has 3 consecutive failures under his belt now. Ismaels record at WBA and Watford looks little better than what anyone we’ve had has produced. Corberan was in a job when we appointed Neil. He’s the one you can really argue is a name but I don’t think the timelines match up. Bilic? Pfft. Steve Cooper was desperate for a job. Look how he took Forest from the brink of relegation to the premier league with spending very little. The point being EVERY appointment we have made has been batshit crazy. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 17, 2024 17:41:36 GMT
Give me some sexy Spanish footy over the ghastly shite we've had to endure over the past decade. Exciting times on the horizon for this tragically underperforming club. Can he bring in Bojan as his assistant? ☺️ What style of football does he favour? I honestly know nothing about him. Dunno but it's gonna be sexy and Spanish I reckon 🙇 |
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Sept 17, 2024 17:47:59 GMT
Yeah, but all at a time where the clubs they went to were not in the sort of financial straight jacket we were. Norwich and Albion never really got themselves in quite the pickle we managed to. Were we really going to get one of them to come in and trim the squad back? Feels unlikely even if you’re having them as names, which aside for one I’m probably not. Maybe Wagner but he has 3 consecutive failures under his belt now. Ismaels record at WBA and Watford looks little better than what anyone we’ve had has produced. Corberan was in a job when we appointed Neil. He’s the one you can really argue is a name but I don’t think the timelines match up. Bilic? Pfft. Steve Cooper was desperate for a job. Look how he took Forest from the brink of relegation to the premier league with spending very little. The point being EVERY appointment we have made has been batshit crazy. All bad appointments look bad in hindsight. The only one I think was really bad even at the time was Rowett, at a point where me might have had the clout to get someone good in. Two of the blokes you mentioned now look like bad appointments to the teams that recruited them. Our main point of failure has been that all the managers we have recruited have been different in approach and mentality. Resulting in a botched, bloated squad with surplus overpaid players at every turn. Decide how you want to play, recruit the coach and the players to play it, and live and die by it. Feels like that’s is what Walters is trying to do, though i have yet to hear a genuinely coherent argument as to how he wants us to play, it’s all in vague terms. |
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Post by a on Sept 17, 2024 17:49:57 GMT
What style of football does he favour? I honestly know nothing about him. Dunno but it's gonna be sexy and Spanish I reckon 🙇 Attacking 4-3-3, a bit like schu…oh hang on 😂 I wonder if Vidigal will get back into the squad in place of say… Gooch? Different position but then again I never had Gooch #10 on my bingo card. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 17, 2024 17:56:39 GMT
Dunno but it's gonna be sexy and Spanish I reckon 🙇 Attacking 4-3-3, a bit like schu…oh hang on 😂 I wonder if Vidigal will get back into the squad in place of say… Gooch? Different position but then again I never had Gooch #10 on my bingo card. 10 on saturday, left winger?? Against West Brom Jack of all trades, master of none |
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Post by Billy the kid on Sept 17, 2024 17:59:31 GMT
Steve Cooper was desperate for a job. Look how he took Forest from the brink of relegation to the premier league with spending very little. The point being EVERY appointment we have made has been batshit crazy. All bad appointments look bad in hindsight. The only one I think was really bad even at the time was Rowett, at a point where me might have had the clout to get someone good in. Two of the blokes you mentioned now look like bad appointments to the teams that recruited them. Our main point of failure has been that all the managers we have recruited have been different in approach and mentality. Resulting in a botched, bloated squad with surplus overpaid players at every turn. Decide how you want to play, recruit the coach and the players to play it, and live and die by it. Feels like that’s is what Walters is trying to do, though i have yet to hear a genuinely coherent argument as to how he wants us to play, it’s all in vague terms. I agree to a point, its the whole chop and change everything that has really hurt us, but how bad are we at spotting head coaches? out of the lot only MON had any relative level of success, but was left in post half a season too long. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 17, 2024 17:59:57 GMT
Rumours that the Berlin Wall might come down as well, Frase |
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Post by stokeoptimist on Sept 17, 2024 18:01:50 GMT
God you lot don't half talk a load of shit.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 17, 2024 18:05:23 GMT
With him never been in charge,we can only guess what formation he prefers.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Sept 17, 2024 18:09:56 GMT
Seeing as theonlooker is still MIA.. "That's lovely Frase" |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 17, 2024 18:16:27 GMT
Rumours that the Berlin Wall might come down as well, Frase Again? Does the Hoff know? |
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