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Post by chamberlain on Oct 1, 2024 10:02:45 GMT
How about go and support the team . Anyone going there and singing SS barmy army needs a word with themselves. Are people actually planning on singing that?? 🤦🏻♂️ I don't know, one poster said he wasn't going but he hoped it would be sung .
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 1, 2024 10:04:51 GMT
They still got relegated though didn't they? I'm really not convinced we have the players for this playing it out lark. Watched Southampton doing it last night with little success. And as a fan you're constsntly sat there with your heart in your mouth. I'm struggling to convince myself we're ready for this to be honest. And I worry about the crowd getting on board with it. One mis control or wayward pass leading to a soft goal will test the crowd tomorrow night. Its unfair on Pelach but Walters has managed this so badly its loaded massive extra pressure onto a young coach. I pray he can manage to do it 🙏 Stoke fans will never accept it mate. I think you are right. I'm desperately searching for positives. But we are in a deep hole here. The wheels on the waggon are pretty loose right now and there's rocky terrain ahead... A couple of grafting draws and get to the international break so Pelach can take some deep breaths is as positive as I can get right now. Deary me Stoke 😬
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Post by delilahwhy on Oct 1, 2024 10:19:25 GMT
I hope there's a loud chorus of "Schumacher's Barmy Army" from those that do bother to turn up. Utterly embarrassing. 2 words that perfectly sum our club up at the moment.
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 1, 2024 10:24:25 GMT
I think he has to find a win from one of the games before the international break.
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Post by thornestein on Oct 1, 2024 10:38:46 GMT
I think he has to find a win from one of the games before the international break. it’s going be grim if he doesn’t , i already have fail fans laughing at me 🤦♂️🤣
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Post by kerouac on Oct 1, 2024 10:39:00 GMT
Kompany got a full pre season and £50m to do it though They still got relegated though didn't they? I'm really not convinced we have the players for this playing it out lark. Watched Southampton doing it last night with little success. And as a fan you're constsntly sat there with your heart in your mouth. I'm struggling to convince myself we're ready for this to be honest. And I worry about the crowd getting on board with it. One mis control or wayward pass leading to a soft goal will test the crowd tomorrow night. Its unfair on Pelach but Walters has managed this so badly its loaded massive extra pressure onto a young coach. I pray he can manage to do it 🙏 I’d rather the “balls out” Bielsa approach for sure. Over the past few seasons there were a few stand out games,Leeds for example,where we totally bossed them with quick energetic football,Middlesbrough away with the youth was another good example. Is he going to change his approach or perhaps he’s not the one trick pony we all seem to think he is…..only time will tell.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 1, 2024 10:52:03 GMT
I think he has to find a win from one of the games before the international break. it’s going be grim if he doesn’t , i already have fail fans laughing at me 🤦♂️🤣 I don't even know who their manager is to be honest so wouldn't get too wound up by some basement league fans. Obviously he needs that's first win, hopefully tomorrow and way too early to judge the fella. Brian Little got off to a flyer
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Post by Northy on Oct 1, 2024 10:56:25 GMT
it’s going be grim if he doesn’t , i already have fail fans laughing at me 🤦♂️🤣 I don't even know who their manager is to be honest so wouldn't get too wound up by some basement league fans. Obviously he needs that's first win, hopefully tomorrow and way too early to judge the fella. Brian Little got off to a flyer Yeh, that was the new manager bounce ..... Then someone let the air out of the ball.
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Post by Northy on Oct 1, 2024 10:57:04 GMT
I think he has to find a win from one of the games before the international break. it’s going be grim if he doesn’t , i already have fail fans laughing at me 🤦♂️🤣 Just ask them how is life in Division 4
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Post by thornestein on Oct 1, 2024 10:58:59 GMT
it’s going be grim if he doesn’t , i already have fail fans laughing at me 🤦♂️🤣 I don't even know who their manager is to be honest so wouldn't get too wound up by some basement league fans. Obviously he needs that's first win, hopefully tomorrow and way too early to judge the fella. Brian Little got off to a flyer never let them wind me up tbh , i give more than i take off them 😂😂
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Post by Ron on Oct 1, 2024 11:00:31 GMT
Kompany changed the Dyche style quite successfully didn’t he,slow possession based build up(not my cup of tea to be honest) but it worked. Now Pelach is going to have to be given time and we are going to have to be very fucking patient if this is the way it’s going. Ultimately it could pan out well but unfortunately for us it’s going to be a long,frustrating journey. if the club wanted to go this way then why the fuck not make the change in the summer
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 1, 2024 11:01:36 GMT
I think he has to find a win from one of the games before the international break. He needs to win tomorrow night.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 1, 2024 11:11:37 GMT
I don't even know who their manager is to be honest so wouldn't get too wound up by some basement league fans. Obviously he needs that's first win, hopefully tomorrow and way too early to judge the fella. Brian Little got off to a flyer Yeh, that was the new manager bounce ..... Then someone let the air out of the ball. And his
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 1, 2024 11:15:41 GMT
I don't even know who their manager is to be honest so wouldn't get too wound up by some basement league fans. Obviously he needs that's first win, hopefully tomorrow and way too early to judge the fella. Brian Little got off to a flyer never let them wind me up tbh , i give more than i take off them 😂😂 Never got the rival thing with them to be honest As much a rival to us as Vanessa Feltz is to Melinda Messenger in the blonde bikini crackers what I would like to see covered in Kelly's clotted cream ice cream, stakes
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Post by femark on Oct 1, 2024 11:26:55 GMT
Last season Schuey listened to the players, abandoned his principles and got the results needed before switching back to a style he was more fond of for the final 3/4 games. Can anyone see Narcis doing the same? because I absolutely can't and for that reason I genuinely believe he'll be gone before Christmas. I can't see him abandoning his style and I wouldn't want him to. One of Schumacher's biggest mistakes was abandoning his principles and ending up with a complete lack of game plan or identity.
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 1, 2024 11:36:47 GMT
Last season Schuey listened to the players, abandoned his principles and got the results needed before switching back to a style he was more fond of for the final 3/4 games. Can anyone see Narcis doing the same? because I absolutely can't and for that reason I genuinely believe he'll be gone before Christmas. I can't see him abandoning his style and I wouldn't want him to. One of Schumacher's biggest mistakes was abandoning his principles and ending up with a complete lack of game plan or identity. The difference here though is that Schumacher actually achieved results with his own principles and took us 10 points clear of the dropzone. With NP, his own principles have thus far been disastrous. I think if we lose tomorrow playing tippy-tappy football then Walters needs to take Narcis aside and tell him he can try his favoured tactics when we try and get players more suited in the January window, but for now just deploy a system to suit the players he has, and if he doesn't and the results are still poor up to and including the Bristol City game then he's out.
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Post by femark on Oct 1, 2024 11:55:40 GMT
I can't see him abandoning his style and I wouldn't want him to. One of Schumacher's biggest mistakes was abandoning his principles and ending up with a complete lack of game plan or identity. The difference here though is that Schumacher actually achieved results with his own principles and took us 10 points clear of the dropzone. With NP, his own principled have thus far been disastrous. I think if we tomorrow playing tippy-tappy football then Walters needs to take Narcis aside and tell him he can try his favoured tactics when we try and get players more suited in the January window, but for now just deploy a system to suit the players he has, and if he doesn't and the results are still poor up to and including the Bristol City game then he's out. Schumacher started off ok, lost 6 out of 7 games through Jan/Feb and then changed his style to be more pragmatic. He never managed to properly install his style of play as things like inverted fullbacks were attempted and quickly stopped. We have the players, they just need time to adapt.
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Post by thornestein on Oct 1, 2024 12:04:11 GMT
I can't see him abandoning his style and I wouldn't want him to. One of Schumacher's biggest mistakes was abandoning his principles and ending up with a complete lack of game plan or identity. The difference here though is that Schumacher actually achieved results with his own principles and took us 10 points clear of the dropzone. With NP, his own principles have thus far been disastrous. I think if we lose tomorrow playing tippy-tappy football then Walters needs to take Narcis aside and tell him he can try his favoured tactics when we try and get players more suited in the January window, but for now just deploy a system to suit the players he has, and if he doesn't and the results are still poor up to and including the Bristol City game then he's out. so another rebuild ? , just employ a manager that plays a system that suits the players we have
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 1, 2024 12:09:18 GMT
The difference here though is that Schumacher actually achieved results with his own principles and took us 10 points clear of the dropzone. With NP, his own principled have thus far been disastrous. I think if we tomorrow playing tippy-tappy football then Walters needs to take Narcis aside and tell him he can try his favoured tactics when we try and get players more suited in the January window, but for now just deploy a system to suit the players he has, and if he doesn't and the results are still poor up to and including the Bristol City game then he's out. Schumacher started off ok, lost 6 out of 7 games through Jan/Feb and then changed his style to be more pragmatic. He never managed to properly install his style of play as things like inverted fullbacks were attempted and quickly stopped. We have the players, they just need time to adapt. Can you name them? Because of the defence only Phillips can play this style and he's only on loan and is 19 years old. The midfield is a cluster fuck and we don't have a single player who can collect the ball off the defence, turn and play through the lines. Possibly Seko but lets be real, he's going to be too lightweight and struggle to adapt to this league. We don't have a striker worthy of the name and we're playing our best winger, centrally.
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 1, 2024 12:21:01 GMT
Schumacher started off ok, lost 6 out of 7 games through Jan/Feb and then changed his style to be more pragmatic. He never managed to properly install his style of play as things like inverted fullbacks were attempted and quickly stopped. We have the players, they just need time to adapt. Can you name them? Because of the defence only Phillips can play this style and he's only on loan and is 19 years old. The midfield is a cluster fuck and we don't have a single player who can collect the ball off the defence, turn and play through the lines. Possibly Seko but lets be real, he's going to be too lightweight and struggle to adapt to this league. We don't have a striker worthy of the name and we're playing our best winger, centrally. When Pearson is fit I think he would be a better fit than Seko. It's a shame we don't have Baker as he and Pearson in the middle would be a bit closer to the possession:pass ratio that NP is targeting. Also agree that Phillips can't return soon enough. Other than that, the rest of the players need round the clock coaching to implement this new style as it is not something that most of them will have ever been used to.
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Post by femark on Oct 1, 2024 12:23:35 GMT
Schumacher started off ok, lost 6 out of 7 games through Jan/Feb and then changed his style to be more pragmatic. He never managed to properly install his style of play as things like inverted fullbacks were attempted and quickly stopped. We have the players, they just need time to adapt. Can you name them? Because of the defence only Phillips can play this style and he's only on loan and is 19 years old. The midfield is a cluster fuck and we don't have a single player who can collect the ball off the defence, turn and play through the lines. Possibly Seko but lets be real, he's going to be too lightweight and struggle to adapt to this league. We don't have a striker worthy of the name and we're playing our best winger, centrally. Wilmot - played a possession based style when on loan at Swansea and is highly rated (except by Stoke fans ) Gibson - Premier League experience, called a "ball playing defender" when signed. Phillips - Young CB comfortable on the ball Bocat - Attacking full back, used to possession based football in belgium and france Burger - Highly rated CM, excellent start to his Stoke career, used to possession based football in Netherlands & Switzerland, european experience, Dutch U-21 Manhoef - Highly rated, Dutch U-21, Bae Junho - South Korean international, creative midfielder, lots of Prem and european interest before we signed him Andrew Moran - Came through Brighton academy known for possession based style, ROI international, creative midfielder Koumas - Liverpool academy playing possession football, Already a Welsh international at 19 Tom Cannon - 10 goals in 33 champ games before joining us Most of our players have been excellent at other clubs. They simply need time to be coached together.
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 1, 2024 12:25:05 GMT
Can you name them? Because of the defence only Phillips can play this style and he's only on loan and is 19 years old. The midfield is a cluster fuck and we don't have a single player who can collect the ball off the defence, turn and play through the lines. Possibly Seko but lets be real, he's going to be too lightweight and struggle to adapt to this league. We don't have a striker worthy of the name and we're playing our best winger, centrally. When Pearson is fit I think he would be a better fit than Seko. It's a shame we don't have Baker as he and Pearson in the middle would be a bit closer to the possession:pass ratio that NP is targeting. Also agree also that Phillips can't return soon enough. Other than that, the rest of the players need round the clock coaching to implement this new style as it is not something that most of them will have ever been used to. If what I've been told about Pearson is correct I'd be very surprised if we ever get anything productive out of him, if indeed he even ever plays another game for us.
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 1, 2024 12:27:42 GMT
When Pearson is fit I think he would be a better fit than Seko. It's a shame we don't have Baker as he and Pearson in the middle would be a bit closer to the possession:pass ratio that NP is targeting. Also agree also that Phillips can't return soon enough. Other than that, the rest of the players need round the clock coaching to implement this new style as it is not something that most of them will have ever been used to. If what I've been told about Pearson is correct I'd be very surprised if we ever get anything productive out of him, if indeed he even ever plays another game for us. Attitude issues or is he properly crocked?
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 1, 2024 12:29:22 GMT
Can you name them? Because of the defence only Phillips can play this style and he's only on loan and is 19 years old. The midfield is a cluster fuck and we don't have a single player who can collect the ball off the defence, turn and play through the lines. Possibly Seko but lets be real, he's going to be too lightweight and struggle to adapt to this league. We don't have a striker worthy of the name and we're playing our best winger, centrally. Wilmot - played a possession based style when on loan at Swansea and is highly rated (except by Stoke fans ) Gibson - Premier League experience, called a "ball playing defender" when signed. Phillips - Young CB comfortable on the ball Bocat - Attacking full back, used to possession based football in belgium and france Burger - Highly rated CM, excellent start to his Stoke career, used to possession based football in Netherlands & Switzerland, european experience, Dutch U-21 Manhoef - Highly rated, Dutch U-21, Bae Junho - South Korean international, creative midfielder, lots of Prem and european interest before we signed him Andrew Moran - Came through Brighton academy known for possession based style, ROI international, creative midfielder Koumas - Liverpool academy playing possession football, Already a Welsh international at 19 Tom Cannon - 10 goals in 33 champ games before joining us Most of our players have been excellent at other clubs. They simply need time to be coached together. So you've based your opinion on nothing really, all of what you have said there is literally hyperbole and nonsense haha. Gibson is shit, Wilmot is shit, Burger is shit, Bae is playing shit, Moran hasn't started well and ended at blackburn shit, Koumas is quality but we keep fucking around with his position and Cannon looks like he might not be the same player after his back injury.
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 1, 2024 12:29:53 GMT
If what I've been told about Pearson is correct I'd be very surprised if we ever get anything productive out of him, if indeed he even ever plays another game for us. Attitude issues or is he properly crocked? Attitude. Refuses to stick to diet plans, training & rehab regimes etc.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 1, 2024 12:44:26 GMT
Can you name them? Because of the defence only Phillips can play this style and he's only on loan and is 19 years old. The midfield is a cluster fuck and we don't have a single player who can collect the ball off the defence, turn and play through the lines. Possibly Seko but lets be real, he's going to be too lightweight and struggle to adapt to this league. We don't have a striker worthy of the name and we're playing our best winger, centrally. When Pearson is fit I think he would be a better fit than Seko. It's a shame we don't have Baker as he and Pearson in the middle would be a bit closer to the possession:pass ratio that NP is targeting. Also agree that Phillips can't return soon enough. Other than that, the rest of the players need round the clock coaching to implement this new style as it is not something that most of them will have ever been used to. Pearson didn't do it when fit so why would he be better different now?
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Post by Ron on Oct 1, 2024 12:46:49 GMT
Money where mouths are-
How long do people genuinely think he'll last?
I'm going for gone by xmas with us rooted in the bottom 3. Club will resist pressure to pull the trigger as they'll be desperate to save face.
I really really do hope the bloke does well- of course i do. I want the fella to succeed - why wouldn't I? But I just can't see it. The last 2 games have shown him to be a rabbit in the headlights with what he has sought to implement.
Just an astonishing situation we're in right now.
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 1, 2024 12:55:16 GMT
Attitude issues or is he properly crocked? Attitude. Refuses to stick to diet plans, training & rehab regimes etc. Sounds like the antics of a man who knows he's sat on a fat contract for another three years and has lost his mojo for the game. He needs a kick up the arse and reminded he has a professional duty to keep his standards up and if he does, there may well be a place in this team for him under Narcis. I'd have thought there should be contractual penalties for not meeting fitness targets etc.
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 1, 2024 12:58:04 GMT
When Pearson is fit I think he would be a better fit than Seko. It's a shame we don't have Baker as he and Pearson in the middle would be a bit closer to the possession:pass ratio that NP is targeting. Also agree that Phillips can't return soon enough. Other than that, the rest of the players need round the clock coaching to implement this new style as it is not something that most of them will have ever been used to. Pearson didn't do it when fit so why would he be better different now? He was arguably our best midfield passer last season.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 1, 2024 13:17:48 GMT
Pearson didn't do it when fit so why would he be better different now? He was arguably our best midfield passer last season. He was nowhere near to be fair He was dropped for a reason
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