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Post by big p on Oct 1, 2024 13:36:52 GMT
Not sure on Pelach, an unknown quantity who I like the cut of his gin, but recent history has proved me to be outrageously wrong on this before. Never convinced by SS, far too many times last season where the side he put out looked ill conceived, tactically all over the shop, and the manner of the defeats this season was clearly a concern for the upper echelons. I would be taking in the situation at Coventry very closely, bad start, as they generally seem to have, but if there is a hint that Robbins is in trouble, I would be all over that, a terrific job down there , play good football, energetic and sharp in attack, I feel he has been let down there against a backdrop of selling talent and not really investing in replacements, we should do everything we can to get him. If we do, and he fails too, shut the club down, build some apartments Highbury style, and fucking give up on nogger forevermore
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 1, 2024 13:47:15 GMT
Not sure on Pelach, an unknown quantity who I like the cut of his gin, but recent history has proved me to be outrageously wrong on this before. Never convinced by SS, far too many times last season where the side he put out looked ill conceived, tactically all over the shop, and the manner of the defeats this season was clearly a concern for the upper echelons. I would be taking in the situation at Coventry very closely, bad start, as they generally seem to have, but if there is a hint that Robbins is in trouble, I would be all over that, a terrific job down there , play good football, energetic and sharp in attack, I feel he has been let down there against a backdrop of selling talent and not really investing in replacements, we should do everything we can to get him. If we do, and he fails too, shut the club down, build some apartments Highbury style, and fucking give up on nogger forevermore I’m certainly not going to debate your comments or opinions. However dunna come on ear und tolk abite “nogger” People will simply consider you as a footballing dinosaur. 😂😂😂
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Post by willieeetmiout on Oct 1, 2024 13:52:23 GMT
Not sure on Pelach, an unknown quantity who I like the cut of his gin, but recent history has proved me to be outrageously wrong on this before. Never convinced by SS, far too many times last season where the side he put out looked ill conceived, tactically all over the shop, and the manner of the defeats this season was clearly a concern for the upper echelons. I would be taking in the situation at Coventry very closely, bad start, as they generally seem to have, but if there is a hint that Robbins is in trouble, I would be all over that, a terrific job down there , play good football, energetic and sharp in attack, I feel he has been let down there against a backdrop of selling talent and not really investing in replacements, we should do everything we can to get him. If we do, and he fails too, shut the club down, build some apartments Highbury style, and fucking give up on nogger forevermore Bet he drinks his gin, flavoured, in a massive glass with fruit and a dried lemon peel twist.
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Post by femark on Oct 1, 2024 13:58:18 GMT
Wilmot - played a possession based style when on loan at Swansea and is highly rated (except by Stoke fans ) Gibson - Premier League experience, called a "ball playing defender" when signed. Phillips - Young CB comfortable on the ball Bocat - Attacking full back, used to possession based football in belgium and france Burger - Highly rated CM, excellent start to his Stoke career, used to possession based football in Netherlands & Switzerland, european experience, Dutch U-21 Manhoef - Highly rated, Dutch U-21, Bae Junho - South Korean international, creative midfielder, lots of Prem and european interest before we signed him Andrew Moran - Came through Brighton academy known for possession based style, ROI international, creative midfielder Koumas - Liverpool academy playing possession football, Already a Welsh international at 19 Tom Cannon - 10 goals in 33 champ games before joining us Most of our players have been excellent at other clubs. They simply need time to be coached together. So you've based your opinion on nothing really, all of what you have said there is literally hyperbole and nonsense haha. Gibson is shit, Wilmot is shit, Burger is shit, Bae is playing shit, Moran hasn't started well and ended at blackburn shit, Koumas is quality but we keep fucking around with his position and Cannon looks like he might not be the same player after his back injury. I've highlighted some reasons as to why I think they are able to play a possession based style. Namely that they have done it before and are highly regarded by other clubs/scouts etc. You on the other hand have provided the exceptionally well thought out and evidenced "They're shit" opinion. I'm fairly sure that you have no qualifications or experience to say that they are shit and are basing it on a handful of games. Gibson has played about 60 prem games and over 300 championship games, Burger has played in about 30 Uefa conference league games and for all Dutch age groups, Bae is a South Korean international that Arsenal were interested in signing, Moran is exceptionally highly rated and several championship clubs were interested in him this season. But yeah they're shit because you say so...
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Post by chamberlain on Oct 1, 2024 13:59:47 GMT
Pearson didn't do it when fit so why would he be better different now? He was arguably our best midfield passer last season. He was a liability
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 1, 2024 14:02:53 GMT
So you've based your opinion on nothing really, all of what you have said there is literally hyperbole and nonsense haha. Gibson is shit, Wilmot is shit, Burger is shit, Bae is playing shit, Moran hasn't started well and ended at blackburn shit, Koumas is quality but we keep fucking around with his position and Cannon looks like he might not be the same player after his back injury. I've highlighted some reasons as to why I think they are able to play a possession based style. Namely that they have done it before and are highly regarded by other clubs/scouts etc. You on the other hand have provided the exceptionally well thought out and evidenced "They're shit" opinion. I'm fairly sure that you have no qualifications or experience to say that they are shit and are basing it on a handful of games. Gibson has played about 60 prem games and over 300 championship games, Burger has played in about 30 Uefa conference league games and for all Dutch age groups, Bae is a South Korean international that Arsenal were interested in signing, Moran is exceptionally highly rated and several championship clubs were interested in him this season. But yeah they're shit because you say so...I'd rather believe my own eyes and the eyes of fans of their former clubs, than purely base my opinion on who they've played for or what competition they've played in. I know a few Boro fans who all laughed when we signed Gibson and they sold him for £15m yet never rated him. He's now even older and slower and like Wilmot is an accident waiting to happen every week. By your logic then, Vincent Pericard was excellent because he came through at Juventus?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 1, 2024 14:06:17 GMT
So you've based your opinion on nothing really, all of what you have said there is literally hyperbole and nonsense haha. Gibson is shit, Wilmot is shit, Burger is shit, Bae is playing shit, Moran hasn't started well and ended at blackburn shit, Koumas is quality but we keep fucking around with his position and Cannon looks like he might not be the same player after his back injury. I've highlighted some reasons as to why I think they are able to play a possession based style. Namely that they have done it before and are highly regarded by other clubs/scouts etc. You on the other hand have provided the exceptionally well thought out and evidenced "They're shit" opinion. I'm fairly sure that you have no qualifications or experience to say that they are shit and are basing it on a handful of games. Gibson has played about 60 prem games and over 300 championship games, Burger has played in about 30 Uefa conference league games and for all Dutch age groups, Bae is a South Korean international that Arsenal were interested in signing, Moran is exceptionally highly rated and several championship clubs were interested in him this season. But yeah they're shit because you say so...I have my doubts we have enough in the squad to pull this off. That said however maybe the genius of this coach is potentially that he will drastically improve individual players with his clever coaching. And as he has some young players the ceiling for that improvement is possibly very high. However will he be given the time to coach that improvement into the players? The vibes I'm getting are its not going to be long before the crowd turns. Which is sad as the guy obviously needs plenty of time. Walters has maybe found the right coach but made a complete mess about how he's ended up here at this point in time...
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 1, 2024 14:08:45 GMT
I've highlighted some reasons as to why I think they are able to play a possession based style. Namely that they have done it before and are highly regarded by other clubs/scouts etc. You on the other hand have provided the exceptionally well thought out and evidenced "They're shit" opinion. I'm fairly sure that you have no qualifications or experience to say that they are shit and are basing it on a handful of games. Gibson has played about 60 prem games and over 300 championship games, Burger has played in about 30 Uefa conference league games and for all Dutch age groups, Bae is a South Korean international that Arsenal were interested in signing, Moran is exceptionally highly rated and several championship clubs were interested in him this season. But yeah they're shit because you say so...I have my doubts we have enough in the squad to pull this off. That said however maybe the genius of this coach is potentially that he will drastically improve individual players with his clever coaching. And as he has some young players the ceiling for that improvement is possibly very high. However will he be given the time to coach that improvement into the players? The vibes I'm getting are its not going to be long before the crowd turns. Which is sad as the guy obviously needs plenty of time. Walters has maybe found the right coach but made a complete mess about how he's ended up here at this point in time... He simply had to do it in the Summer, to do it in September is just pure lunacy, especially when the coach he's sacked was popular amongst fans. In my eyes, he's shown just how inexperienced he is at this role and it's going to cost us.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 1, 2024 14:12:06 GMT
I have my doubts we have enough in the squad to pull this off. That said however maybe the genius of this coach is potentially that he will drastically improve individual players with his clever coaching. And as he has some young players the ceiling for that improvement is possibly very high. However will he be given the time to coach that improvement into the players? The vibes I'm getting are its not going to be long before the crowd turns. Which is sad as the guy obviously needs plenty of time. Walters has maybe found the right coach but made a complete mess about how he's ended up here at this point in time... He simply had to do it in the Summer, to do it in September is just pure lunacy, especially when the coach he's sacked was popular amongst fans. In my eyes, he's shown just how inexperienced he is at this role and it's going to cost us. Or not sack Schumacher at all and let him carry on the rebuild he was employed to do in the first place. We're all over the place we really are 🙄
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 1, 2024 14:47:51 GMT
I can't see him abandoning his style and I wouldn't want him to. One of Schumacher's biggest mistakes was abandoning his principles and ending up with a complete lack of game plan or identity. The difference here though is that Schumacher actually achieved results with his own principles and took us 10 points clear of the dropzone. With NP, his own principles have thus far been disastrous. I think if we lose tomorrow playing tippy-tappy football then Walters needs to take Narcis aside and tell him he can try his favoured tactics when we try and get players more suited in the January window, but for now just deploy a system to suit the players he has, and if he doesn't and the results are still poor up to and including the Bristol City game then he's out. SS looked a broken man early on in after match interviews who had made a mistake in joining us Took him a few games and he started to put some tidy results and performances together
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 1, 2024 14:57:30 GMT
The difference here though is that Schumacher actually achieved results with his own principles and took us 10 points clear of the dropzone. With NP, his own principles have thus far been disastrous. I think if we lose tomorrow playing tippy-tappy football then Walters needs to take Narcis aside and tell him he can try his favoured tactics when we try and get players more suited in the January window, but for now just deploy a system to suit the players he has, and if he doesn't and the results are still poor up to and including the Bristol City game then he's out. SS looked a broken man early on in after match interviews who had made a mistake in joining us Took him a few games and he started to put some tidy results and performances together That was allegedly after the players implored him to ditch the inverted full backs shit and go back to what made them good when he first arrived. Also, as much as Walters has become a liability now his influence and morale boosters directly to the squad fired them up. Notwithstanding a lot of matches in that good run at the end of the season were dead rubbers, both the above completely undermined and showed up Schuey's limitations. My worry with Narcis is that he doesn't have a Plan A to fall back on like Schuey did.
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Post by femark on Oct 1, 2024 15:06:45 GMT
I've highlighted some reasons as to why I think they are able to play a possession based style. Namely that they have done it before and are highly regarded by other clubs/scouts etc. You on the other hand have provided the exceptionally well thought out and evidenced "They're shit" opinion. I'm fairly sure that you have no qualifications or experience to say that they are shit and are basing it on a handful of games. Gibson has played about 60 prem games and over 300 championship games, Burger has played in about 30 Uefa conference league games and for all Dutch age groups, Bae is a South Korean international that Arsenal were interested in signing, Moran is exceptionally highly rated and several championship clubs were interested in him this season. But yeah they're shit because you say so...I'd rather believe my own eyes and the eyes of fans of their former clubs, than purely base my opinion on who they've played for or what competition they've played in. I know a few Boro fans who all laughed when we signed Gibson and they sold him for £15m yet never rated him. He's now even older and slower and like Wilmot is an accident waiting to happen every week. By your logic then, Vincent Pericard was excellent because he came through at Juventus? They sold him for £15m... he couldn't of been shit. To be fair, Pericard was quite highly rated and did well at Portsmouth on loan But by the same logic Gareth Bale was shit because Tottenham fans didn't rate him initially.
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 1, 2024 15:09:27 GMT
I'd rather believe my own eyes and the eyes of fans of their former clubs, than purely base my opinion on who they've played for or what competition they've played in. I know a few Boro fans who all laughed when we signed Gibson and they sold him for £15m yet never rated him. He's now even older and slower and like Wilmot is an accident waiting to happen every week. By your logic then, Vincent Pericard was excellent because he came through at Juventus? They sold him for £15m... he couldn't of been shit. To be fair, Pericard was quite highly rated and did well at Portsmouth on loan But by the same logic Gareth Bale was shit because Tottenham fans didn't rate him initially. Man Utd signed Antony for £80m, Mount for £65m, price tags mean jack shit. Let's turn our attention to Burger, after 50 games nearly in the red & white do you genuinely believe he's good enough based on what you've seen? Take away where he's come from and who he played for before, he's played enough games for you to make your own judgement based on his performances for Stoke.
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Post by femark on Oct 1, 2024 15:19:12 GMT
They sold him for £15m... he couldn't of been shit. To be fair, Pericard was quite highly rated and did well at Portsmouth on loan But by the same logic Gareth Bale was shit because Tottenham fans didn't rate him initially. Man Utd signed Antony for £80m, Mount for £65m, price tags mean jack shit. Let's turn our attention to Burger, after 50 games nearly in the red & white do you genuinely believe he's good enough based on what you've seen? Take away where he's come from and who he played for before, he's played enough games for you to make your own judgement based on his performances for Stoke. "Ben Gibson is a solid pro at this level, will add balance being left footed and will add vast experience to a young dressing room." - LGH87 "Burger, Bae & Junior are the only players I’d keep, the rest would be free to leave." - LGH87 Ask yourself mate, you seemed to rate them at some point? Just because we've started the season poorly doesn't mean that the players are shit.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 1, 2024 15:19:13 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-portsmouth-team-news-9597004“The idea is to be more aggressive, offensively and defensively. I want to see the team be more like we were in the first 30 minutes against Hull City, when we were front foot, tried to win the ball back high up the pitch and also, when we had the ball, go forward with a real purpose of attacking and getting shots off. That’s what we have been working on. We want to be much. much more aggressive of course with our ideas and the new direction we are going with but trying to be much more aggressive.”
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 1, 2024 15:24:00 GMT
Man Utd signed Antony for £80m, Mount for £65m, price tags mean jack shit. Let's turn our attention to Burger, after 50 games nearly in the red & white do you genuinely believe he's good enough based on what you've seen? Take away where he's come from and who he played for before, he's played enough games for you to make your own judgement based on his performances for Stoke. "Ben Gibson is a solid pro at this level, will add balance being left footed and will add vast experience to a young dressing room." - LGH87 "Burger, Bae & Junior are the only players I’d keep, the rest would be free to leave." - LGH87 Ask yourself mate, you seemed to rate them at some point? Just because we've started the season poorly doesn't mean that the players are shit. Unlike many on here I'm not afraid to admit when I get it wrong and I will hold my hands up and say I got it badly wrong on Gibson, I thought he'd bring experience and be a steady eddy at the back without being a world beater, he'd be nowhere near my team right now. Burger has been crap for a while now and looking back I think we all got a bit ahead of ourselves regarding him in the earlier parts of last season. Our best performances came without him. Everyone had the same opinion of Junior and now he's one of the main players everyone wants dropping, so it's not just me. Bae has been a big disappointment so far but we've seen what he can do and he just needs to refind form and more end product. So from that original statement, please add Burger and Junior to the list of players that can leave and only Bae I'd keep
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 1, 2024 15:25:48 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-portsmouth-team-news-9597004“The idea is to be more aggressive, offensively and defensively. I want to see the team be more like we were in the first 30 minutes against Hull City, when we were front foot, tried to win the ball back high up the pitch and also, when we had the ball, go forward with a real purpose of attacking and getting shots off. That’s what we have been working on. We want to be much. much more aggressive of course with our ideas and the new direction we are going with but trying to be much more aggressive.” So what happened Saturday then? What made the players, play a million passes in our own half with zero intent? He's giving off massive Nathan Jones / Alex Neil vibes.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 1, 2024 15:28:23 GMT
SS looked a broken man early on in after match interviews who had made a mistake in joining us Took him a few games and he started to put some tidy results and performances together That was allegedly after the players implored him to ditch the inverted full backs shit and go back to what made them good when he first arrived. Also, as much as Walters has become a liability now his influence and morale boosters directly to the squad fired them up. Notwithstanding a lot of matches in that good run at the end of the season were dead rubbers, both the above completely undermined and showed up Schuey's limitations. My worry with Narcis is that he doesn't have a Plan A to fall back on like Schuey did. This dead rubber cliche. Was it a dead rubber for Plymouth? Birmingham? The last 3 months weren't dead rubbers . Bristol City maybe weren't all out We don't know what the manager has as far as plans are concerned as he's only had 2 games and the players telling SS to ditch a formation has no substance
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Post by thornestein on Oct 1, 2024 15:29:14 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-portsmouth-team-news-9597004“The idea is to be more aggressive, offensively and defensively. I want to see the team be more like we were in the first 30 minutes against Hull City, when we were front foot, tried to win the ball back high up the pitch and also, when we had the ball, go forward with a real purpose of attacking and getting shots off. That’s what we have been working on. We want to be much. much more aggressive of course with our ideas and the new direction we are going with but trying to be much more aggressive.” are we going full on kicking the shit out of everyone 🤷♂️
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 1, 2024 15:30:39 GMT
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 1, 2024 15:46:27 GMT
So he's come in saying he won't focus on opponents he wants his teams to focus on a way of playing and for the opposition to focus on us. after 2 games he's already saying he will have to change it based on the opponents style. I really wanted him to be the one but he's coming across as a real chancer I'm afraid.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 1, 2024 15:53:15 GMT
I notice every week that Pete just writes the press conference word for word from Ange’s questions but the club continue to hide it away for some bizzare reason 🤔
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Post by stokiejoe on Oct 1, 2024 15:54:22 GMT
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Post by pavel on Oct 1, 2024 16:02:04 GMT
You know what I’ve got to the stage after reading so much hot air, aspirations and downright delusional crap in these interviews over the last 7 years I don’t think I have in my heart to read them any more. It just makes it more painful to watch the reality.
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 1, 2024 16:04:49 GMT
He was arguably our best midfield passer last season. He was a liability In terms of discipline, yes. But he still had the highest short pass success rate out of all our midfielders last season. In fact out of all Championship DMs and CMs, he ranks 30th in that regard. If Pearson could reign in the red mist (and shed a few pounds), he's one of the best DMs in the league.
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Post by stokesupporter on Oct 1, 2024 16:14:13 GMT
Worrying that he claims that he saw many positive things in Mboro game. Most of us didn't saw any bar Johanssens display.
Still he talks a good game but football is all about doing. Hope we'll play like he says on Wednesday.
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Post by Northy on Oct 1, 2024 16:17:26 GMT
Not sure on Pelach, an unknown quantity who I like the cut of his gin, but recent history has proved me to be outrageously wrong on this before. Never convinced by SS, far too many times last season where the side he put out looked ill conceived, tactically all over the shop, and the manner of the defeats this season was clearly a concern for the upper echelons. I would be taking in the situation at Coventry very closely, bad start, as they generally seem to have, but if there is a hint that Robbins is in trouble, I would be all over that, a terrific job down there , play good football, energetic and sharp in attack, I feel he has been let down there against a backdrop of selling talent and not really investing in replacements, we should do everything we can to get him. If we do, and he fails too, shut the club down, build some apartments Highbury style, and fucking give up on nogger forevermore Bet he drinks his gin, flavoured, in a massive glass with fruit and a dried lemon peel twist. Who, Mark Robins
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 1, 2024 16:21:36 GMT
So he's come in saying he won't focus on opponents he wants his teams to focus on a way of playing and for the opposition to focus on us. after 2 games he's already saying he will have to change it based on the opponents style. I really wanted him to be the one but he's coming across as a real chancer I'm afraid. Good spot. He did. The poor lad is already in panic mode obviously. Walters has really messed this whole situation up and left Pelach in a horrible situation. I know its his job and he accepted it and he'll eventually be sent off with a cheque in his hand for his troubles but I genuinely feel sorry for the bloke. Its near enough a hiding to nothing.
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 1, 2024 16:41:39 GMT
So he's come in saying he won't focus on opponents he wants his teams to focus on a way of playing and for the opposition to focus on us. after 2 games he's already saying he will have to change it based on the opponents style. I really wanted him to be the one but he's coming across as a real chancer I'm afraid. Good spot. He did. The poor lad is already in panic mode obviously. Walters has really messed this whole situation up and left Pelach in a horrible situation. I know its his job and he accepted it and he'll eventually be sent off with a cheque in his hand for his troubles but I genuinely feel sorry for the bloke. Its near enough a hiding to nothing. Yeah I feel the same, he’s been properly hung out to dry by Walters. Unless he can muster a good run of form up asap he’s truly on a hiding to nothing.
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Post by bettyswallox on Oct 1, 2024 16:42:21 GMT
Narcís mentioned it himself in his interview, saying he wanted the players to “arrive early and leave late”. I had exactly the same thought tbh, seems a bit authoritarian and the kind of thing that could immediately make people resentful. But maybe it’s necessary Sounds like exactly what the limp, flaky, money grabbing bastards need. The limp, flaky, money grabbing bastards that golden boy Jon Walters helped bring to the club, you mean?
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