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Post by lordb on Sept 23, 2024 10:49:48 GMT
Not sure if it's been mentioned or suggested but it sounds like JW has been active behind the scenes long before his actual appointment. whose appointment? his own? |
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Post by flea79 on Sept 23, 2024 10:51:20 GMT
supposedly Carsley and Cooper i believe... If it was those two there is no surprise that they wouldn't come here. It was well known that Southgate was going after the Euros and I'm sure the FA had probably discussed the possibility of interim manager with Carsley. He's not going to turn down the opportunity of the England job to put Stoke on his CV. Cooper has always felt he's a Premier manager. He left Swansea, a similar club to us because he felt he would get better offers. Had to wait for Forest and did his reputation no harm there. He was waiting for an offer from the Premier and sure enough Leicester came along. If he keeps them up his profile will rise again. i could be wrong re carsley, its only internet rumours but the cooper one i can 100% see |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 23, 2024 11:10:30 GMT
Makes you wonder where we’d be if wed appointed Eustace last December.
Woukd he have got on any better with JW? Or was JW always looking to bring in his own man regardless?
Eustace certainly getting a tune out of Blackburn this season but dont recall him doing much last season
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 23, 2024 11:53:01 GMT
Makes you wonder where we’d be if wed appointed Eustace last December. Woukd he have got on any better with JW? Or was JW always looking to bring in his own man regardless? Eustace certainly getting a tune out of Blackburn this season but dont recall him doing much last season The consensus there is that he came in and steadied the ship and laid good foundations which he’s now building on. They can’t stand their owners and were expecting relegation this season so SJE is very popular at the moment |
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 23, 2024 12:28:21 GMT
Makes you wonder where we’d be if wed appointed Eustace last December. Woukd he have got on any better with JW? Or was JW always looking to bring in his own man regardless? Eustace certainly getting a tune out of Blackburn this season but dont recall him doing much last season The consensus there is that he came in and steadied the ship and laid good foundations which he’s now building on. They can’t stand their owners and were expecting relegation this season so SJE is very popular at the moment Looking at the comments I don't see a consensus and also it's now JW the "Super" has definitely gone. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 23, 2024 12:38:11 GMT
The consensus there is that he came in and steadied the ship and laid good foundations which he’s now building on. They can’t stand their owners and were expecting relegation this season so SJE is very popular at the moment Looking at the comments I don't see a consensus and also it's now JW the "Super" has definitely gone. Hes talking about John Eustace mate |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 23, 2024 12:46:59 GMT
Looking at the comments I don't see a consensus and also it's now JW the "Super" has definitely gone. Hes talking about John Eustace mate The original super John! |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 23, 2024 12:48:51 GMT
Hes talking about John Eustace mate The original super John! Yeah, what a player he was! Would have liked him to stay but the decision to replace him with Whelan was ultimately vindicated |
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 23, 2024 13:07:00 GMT
Not sure if it's been mentioned or suggested but it sounds like JW has been active behind the scenes long before his actual appointment. whose appointment? his own? Before he took over from Tricky. Wouldn't be surprised if he was being consulted during Neil's reign. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 23, 2024 13:45:32 GMT
Looking at the comments I don't see a consensus and also it's now JW the "Super" has definitely gone. Hes talking about John Eustace mate My bad |
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Post by callas12 on Sept 23, 2024 13:49:31 GMT
supposedly Carsley and Cooper i believe... If it was those two there is no surprise that they wouldn't come here. It was well known that Southgate was going after the Euros and I'm sure the FA had probably discussed the possibility of interim manager with Carsley. He's not going to turn down the opportunity of the England job to put Stoke on his CV. Cooper has always felt he's a Premier manager. He left Swansea, a similar club to us because he felt he would get better offers. Had to wait for Forest and did his reputation no harm there. He was waiting for an offer from the Premier and sure enough Leicester came along. If he keeps them up his profile will rise again. I'd heard about another name in the mix as well but as you mention, in Coopers case he could confidently wait knowing a Prem job would come up that he'd be touted for, & Carlsey I think he'd have been interested, but again with him established with the England U21 set up & with the upcoming Euro 24 potentially deciding Southgates future he was also quite content staying put at St.Georges Park. Absolutely nothing wrong with JW sounding out potential new managers at a time we were struggling & looking like we were going down at one point last season, & it's pretty clear that JW was giving Shuey the summer and start of the season to see how we faired. I'm quite sure that Pèlach would have been available and joined up over the summer if he'd been identified as someone of interest to Stoke. But the top corridor were clearly giving Shuey the chance to start well but had clearly seen enough to realise that this season was starting off the way we were last season in that inconsistent spell and acted decisively and quickly to take us in a new and different direction. |
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Post by chad on Sept 23, 2024 14:01:08 GMT
Schuey favourite for the Cardiff job
Good luck to him
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Post by ceejays on Sept 23, 2024 17:02:47 GMT
No chance . He’d be daft to take the job . Lives in ormskirk. Just relocated a young family. Stoke probably paying him his more than Cardiff salary . Needs to take a break . Reassess . Not worry so much about the opposition . Stop playing inverted full backs . Etc etc etc
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 23, 2024 17:10:39 GMT
Schuey favourite for the Cardiff job Good luck to him Any other team I'd agree as I like the bloke but as it's Cardiff I hope he has a stinker of a time there and they plummet to the depths of the football league. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 23, 2024 17:13:06 GMT
Schuey favourite for the Cardiff job Good luck to him It makes me feel physically sick. Our relationship is done if he goes there. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 23, 2024 17:13:41 GMT
Schuey favourite for the Cardiff job Good luck to him It makes me feel physically sick. Our relationship is done if he goes there. 😆 🤣 |
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 23, 2024 17:42:06 GMT
Is Carsley a 'senior' manager? He would have been a massive gamble.
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Post by callas12 on Sept 23, 2024 18:25:07 GMT
Schuey favourite for the Cardiff job Good luck to him It makes me feel physically sick. Our relationship is done if he goes there. Guess him rocking up anywhere in the next few months will give you that feeling. Wherever he ends up it'll naturally draw your attention towards that teams results to see how he's fairing. Same with ex players aswell, always used to monitor ex strikers in particular to see if they've scored for their new clubs if their club had recorded goal(s). Hope he does well wherever he ends up but, but not at our expense of course, that would just be rubbing salt in the wounds of a decision we as fans had no choice over. Was bad enough seeing Nathan Jones doing well when he reappeared at Luton! & who can forget Mark Hughes celebrating with the Saints fans after keeping them up at our expense that season, horrible sight that was. Especially as it was us who shot ourselves in the foot as opposed to Southampton deservedly escaping the bottom three by their own good run 🙄😬 |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 23, 2024 18:41:04 GMT
It makes me feel physically sick. Our relationship is done if he goes there. Guess him rocking up anywhere in the next few months will give you that feeling. Wherever he ends up it'll naturally draw your attention towards that teams results to see how he's fairing. Same with ex players aswell, always used to monitor ex strikers in particular to see if they've scored for their new clubs if their club had recorded goal(s). Hope he does well wherever he ends up but, but not at our expense of course, that would just be rubbing salt in the wounds of a decision we as fans had no choice over. Was bad enough seeing Nathan Jones doing well when he reappeared at Luton! & who can forget Mark Hughes celebrating with the Saints fans after keeping them up at our expense that season, horrible sight that was. Especially as it was us who shot ourselves in the foot as opposed to Southampton deservedly escaping the bottom three by their own good run 🙄😬 No mate. I would obviously go to a few games to give him my support whichever team he manages. However, if he ended up at one of Cardiff, Birmingham, Manchester United, Vale, or Arsenal I couldn’t support it whatsoever and would wish relegation on him. I'm being very honest here and wouldn't go to a single game, box or no box. |
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Post by onepara on Sept 23, 2024 18:53:08 GMT
Guess him rocking up anywhere in the next few months will give you that feeling. Wherever he ends up it'll naturally draw your attention towards that teams results to see how he's fairing. Same with ex players aswell, always used to monitor ex strikers in particular to see if they've scored for their new clubs if their club had recorded goal(s). Hope he does well wherever he ends up but, but not at our expense of course, that would just be rubbing salt in the wounds of a decision we as fans had no choice over. Was bad enough seeing Nathan Jones doing well when he reappeared at Luton! & who can forget Mark Hughes celebrating with the Saints fans after keeping them up at our expense that season, horrible sight that was. Especially as it was us who shot ourselves in the foot as opposed to Southampton deservedly escaping the bottom three by their own good run 🙄😬 No mate. I would obviously go to a few games to give him my support whichever team he manages. However, if he ended up at one of Cardiff, Birmingham, Manchester United, Vale, or Arsenal I couldn’t support it whatsoever and would wish relegation on him. I'm being very honest here and wouldn't go to a single game, box or no box. Not much of a relative, are you? |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 23, 2024 18:57:47 GMT
No mate. I would obviously go to a few games to give him my support whichever team he manages. However, if he ended up at one of Cardiff, Birmingham, Manchester United, Vale, or Arsenal I couldn’t support it whatsoever and would wish relegation on him. I'm being very honest here and wouldn't go to a single game, box or no box. Not much of a relative, are you? No, I'm a wanker when it comes to football. 👍 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 23, 2024 19:05:37 GMT
Not much of a relative, are you? No, I'm a wanker when it comes to football. 👍 Who isn’t 🤣 I’m sure he’d understand |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 23, 2024 19:09:43 GMT
No, I'm a wanker when it comes to football. 👍 Who isn’t 🤣 I’m sure he’d understand I'm sure he would 😇 |
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 23, 2024 19:10:49 GMT
Is Carsley a 'senior' manager? He would have been a massive gamble. Yet some people then NP isn’t. 😂 |
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Post by stokefc on Sept 23, 2024 19:16:40 GMT
Is Carsley a 'senior' manager? He would have been a massive gamble. Yet some people then NP isn’t. 😂 But most of us and i mean about 95% think it is , i'm actually stunned by the appointment |
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 24, 2024 4:41:55 GMT
Yet some people then NP isn’t. 😂 But most of us and i mean about 95% think it is , i'm actually stunned by the appointment Yeah it’s wild. I think the reports coming out around the summer don’t look good either. We wanted a senior head to replace Schumacher etc. we’ve gone and done the opposite. Shows muddled thinking. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 24, 2024 6:39:45 GMT
If it was those two there is no surprise that they wouldn't come here. It was well known that Southgate was going after the Euros and I'm sure the FA had probably discussed the possibility of interim manager with Carsley. He's not going to turn down the opportunity of the England job to put Stoke on his CV. Cooper has always felt he's a Premier manager. He left Swansea, a similar club to us because he felt he would get better offers. Had to wait for Forest and did his reputation no harm there. He was waiting for an offer from the Premier and sure enough Leicester came along. If he keeps them up his profile will rise again. I'd heard about another name in the mix as well but as you mention, in Coopers case he could confidently wait knowing a Prem job would come up that he'd be touted for, & Carlsey I think he'd have been interested, but again with him established with the England U21 set up & with the upcoming Euro 24 potentially deciding Southgates future he was also quite content staying put at St.Georges Park. Absolutely nothing wrong with JW sounding out potential new managers at a time we were struggling & looking like we were going down at one point last season, & it's pretty clear that JW was giving Shuey the summer and start of the season to see how we faired. I'm quite sure that Pèlach would have been available and joined up over the summer if he'd been identified as someone of interest to Stoke. But the top corridor were clearly giving Shuey the chance to start well but had clearly seen enough to realise that this season was starting off the way we were last season in that inconsistent spell and acted decisively and quickly to take us in a new and different direction. Giving Schumacher the summer and five games is just mad - completely writes off the preseason and leaves the next HC playing catch up. We did the same with MoN and it effectively killed the season. I hope the reason Schumacher was sacked was down to a bust up behind the scenes because if it was part of some masterplan we are screwed. |
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Post by Gods on Sept 24, 2024 7:29:13 GMT
If it was those two there is no surprise that they wouldn't come here. It was well known that Southgate was going after the Euros and I'm sure the FA had probably discussed the possibility of interim manager with Carsley. He's not going to turn down the opportunity of the England job to put Stoke on his CV. Cooper has always felt he's a Premier manager. He left Swansea, a similar club to us because he felt he would get better offers. Had to wait for Forest and did his reputation no harm there. He was waiting for an offer from the Premier and sure enough Leicester came along. If he keeps them up his profile will rise again. I'd heard about another name in the mix as well but as you mention, in Coopers case he could confidently wait knowing a Prem job would come up that he'd be touted for, & Carlsey I think he'd have been interested, but again with him established with the England U21 set up & with the upcoming Euro 24 potentially deciding Southgates future he was also quite content staying put at St.Georges Park. Absolutely nothing wrong with JW sounding out potential new managers at a time we were struggling & looking like we were going down at one point last season, & it's pretty clear that JW was giving Shuey the summer and start of the season to see how we faired. I'm quite sure that Pèlach would have been available and joined up over the summer if he'd been identified as someone of interest to Stoke. But the top corridor were clearly giving Shuey the chance to start well but had clearly seen enough to realise that this season was starting off the way we were last season in that inconsistent spell and acted decisively and quickly to take us in a new and different direction. Regarding Schuey 'not starting well' in his thank-you and goodbye message he cites 7 wins in his final 10 games. I appreciate to arrive at that he had to gum on a couple of dead rubbers at the end of last season and 2 league Cup ties but none the less. It stands up well against Pelach's 0 from 1, okay I'm being disingenuous but you see the point, if Pelach doesn't get early wins the heat on Walters jacksy will be off the scale. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 24, 2024 8:02:29 GMT
I'd heard about another name in the mix as well but as you mention, in Coopers case he could confidently wait knowing a Prem job would come up that he'd be touted for, & Carlsey I think he'd have been interested, but again with him established with the England U21 set up & with the upcoming Euro 24 potentially deciding Southgates future he was also quite content staying put at St.Georges Park. Absolutely nothing wrong with JW sounding out potential new managers at a time we were struggling & looking like we were going down at one point last season, & it's pretty clear that JW was giving Shuey the summer and start of the season to see how we faired. I'm quite sure that Pèlach would have been available and joined up over the summer if he'd been identified as someone of interest to Stoke. But the top corridor were clearly giving Shuey the chance to start well but had clearly seen enough to realise that this season was starting off the way we were last season in that inconsistent spell and acted decisively and quickly to take us in a new and different direction. Regarding Schuey 'not starting well' in his thank-you and goodbye message he cites 7 wins in his final 10 games. I appreciate to arrive at that he had to gum on a couple of dead rubbers at the end of last season and 2 league Cup ties but none the less. It stands up well against Pelach's 0 from 1, okay I'm being disingenuous but you see the point, if Pelach doesn't get early wins the heat on Walters jacksy will be off the scale. The heat will be on from the fans but Coates really needs to stick by him. The point of having an SD is to provide stability - their impact is felt over 2, 3 and more years. Sacking your SD after less than a year just rips up the strategy - it brings back all the instability of having a god manager where each appointment means starting from scratch. Sacking Walters in the short term would make us even more of a basket case than we are now. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 24, 2024 8:08:48 GMT
Appointing an inexperienced SD appears to be a formula for a disaster anyway. If Walters had previous successful history as a manager that would be different but he hasn't so it isn't.
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