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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 22, 2024 8:09:31 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 22, 2024 8:10:45 GMT
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Post by tommystoke123 on Sept 22, 2024 8:13:38 GMT
Steve Cooper, if you class him as senior? |
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 22, 2024 8:17:01 GMT
Steve Cooper, if you class him as senior? Wouldn’t have been Moyes as he was still in a job till the end of last season. Cooper surely would have been one of them though. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 22, 2024 8:19:55 GMT
Why would they turn down a Hugh payout in less 12 months time?
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Post by tommystoke123 on Sept 22, 2024 8:20:01 GMT
Steve Cooper, if you class him as senior? Wouldn’t have been Moyes as he was still in a job till the end of last season. Cooper surely would have been one of them though. Didn’t RM want to get rid of Schumacher too? Ainsworth was one rumoured? Difficult to work with? |
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Post by premieraj on Sept 22, 2024 8:20:11 GMT
With what’s happened last week it is absolutely blindingly obvious they were preparing to sack Ste there can be no debate I with that whatsoever.
I suppose only they will know when that was decided but I sense it was at the end of last season with give him a few games just in case he turned it around.
But what we saw at Watford, Albion and Oxford was more of the same. So they pulled the trigger. It’s carried on to Hull so they must be now praying this guy can turn it round. I’m sure he will be given time as he is both their picks. Also I think if he did fail SJW would not fall on his sword as that’s now the model.
I just hope we can limp to January and get the injured players back. If we can and we see something in his coaching could we dare to dream again?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 22, 2024 8:20:53 GMT
footballleagueworld.co.uk/stoke-city-revelation-emerges-after-steven-schumacher-exit/ Alan Nixon, who believes that the Potters had a change of heart on the former Plymouth Argyle boss not that long after appointing him at the bet365 Stadium. According to Nixon, Stoke were considering replacing Schumacher before the end of the 2023/24 campaign and had even "sounded out" a couple of managers before the start of the summer window. But with those two bosses rejecting the Potters' advances, Schumacher survived. It probably shouldn't come as a surprise that he has been sacked so early on in the season though, considering what Nixon has now reported. The same journalist revealed that Lee Carsley was in the frame to become the Potters' boss during the latter stages of last year, but lost out to Schumacher in the end. Carsley, who is now in caretaker charge of England, may have lasted longer at the bet365 Stadium.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 22, 2024 8:23:47 GMT
This situation gets more laughable with each day that passes. Wanted to sack him last season for a senior experienced manager and sack him 5 games into a new season for a novice.
Walters out
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 22, 2024 8:24:43 GMT
Steve Cooper, if you class him as senior? Wouldn’t have been Moyes as he was still in a job till the end of last season. Cooper surely would have been one of them though. It was obvious he was leaving at the end of the season though..... |
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Post by premieraj on Sept 22, 2024 8:29:52 GMT
We have to remember that wins agains Bristol city and Soton they had nothing to play for. Soton were already in the play offs.
The big win was boro was Walters inspired. Plymouth at home deserved. The Sheff we’d point priceless. But also we remember was it that 5 game loss run. Personally I liked him as a bloke but just felt he was out of his depth? Could he have turned it around I don’t know but I guess on their judgement he couldn’t.
I am hopeful for the new chap but will judge him in the same way after say 10 games. He has to have a chance as Shoey did.
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Post by Marc01 on Sept 22, 2024 8:40:35 GMT
Why would we hire Chris Cohen as a coach in the summer if all this is true? Less than 3 months… www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/c900ey522l0oAnd, didn’t John Coates say something at the recent public meeting about SS and Junho being two major positives? |
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Post by Biblical on Sept 22, 2024 8:42:13 GMT
I think he was lucky he survived last season really, we had those few good results at the end of the season but before that there was a period where I was completely resigned to us going down because we were that shit.
It’s not just the results (I’m not counting cup games) this season that have cost him his job, it’s the performances, which have been pretty diabolical.
Turning up for one half against Coventry and narrowly beating a relegation candidate in Plymouth is just not good enough.
We weren’t even competitive in the defeats, we got quite lucky to get an equaliser against West Brom but they went onto to beat us and deservedly so.
He was Alex Neil but with a more likeable personality and I can’t wrap my head around why a sizeable portion of the fan base think he should have remained in charge.
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Post by fca47 on Sept 22, 2024 9:31:20 GMT
I'm hoping the new man comes good. But seems strange that they preferred a manager with a record, if the story is true, and then go completely left field, for someone with hardly any track record at all. Smells like total panic
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 22, 2024 9:40:38 GMT
Did Coates know about the sacking,would he have had to sign off on this,or was he kept in the dark about it?
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Post by Davef on Sept 22, 2024 10:49:27 GMT
Did Coates know about the sacking,would he have had to sign off on this,or was he kept in the dark about it? Of course he knew about the sacking!!!! |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 22, 2024 11:04:23 GMT
Did Coates know about the sacking,would he have had to sign off on this,or was he kept in the dark about it? Given he pays the bills he would have sanctioned it, presumably on Walters recommendation |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 22, 2024 11:07:09 GMT
Did Coates know about the sacking,would he have had to sign off on this,or was he kept in the dark about it? They were both there when Ste arrived in the office. |
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Post by ceejays on Sept 22, 2024 11:30:06 GMT
I think two factors people are forgetting. SS without doubt wanted Cundle . In my opinion he was the player that makes a huge difference. People say Moran is the same type of player . Not so . Moran is a passer . He tries to make the clever pass . Cundle runs with the ball . No other midfielder player we have or had does that . But JW was set on Lawal even when the stress fracture was found . This is just my opinion of course but I truly believe that had Cundle arrived as soon as was possible performances would have been better . A lot better. But JW having undermined SS for his own agenda refused the request. So much for working as a team . It’s not my way of working. You help people. SS had a young family. Relocating from Plymouth to Ormskirk would have had its challenges. Now settled SS would have had more Stoke time than previous. JW clearly didn’t help . Years ago I had a guy who was under performing. I tried him in several roles until he found his forte as a credit controller. He’s now head of credit control in a large company. To me that’s how you work with people. Jared may have been a maverick . Just manage the guy ( unless it was gross misconduct)
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 22, 2024 11:39:50 GMT
So we've got a load of players that were for a manager we didn't really want. Hmm.
I wish Nancy well, but I'm concerned.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 22, 2024 11:40:45 GMT
So we've got a load of players that were for a manager we didn't really want. Hmm. I wish Nancy well, but I'm concerned. it’s all very concerning, let’s hope we’re wrong |
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Post by ian57 on Sept 22, 2024 12:19:27 GMT
So we choose schuey over carsley then realise schuey is not what we really want.
We then let Walter’s bring in players that schuey may not want,while plotting to sack schuey and now have new players that the next manager might not want when schuey is sacked.
This club is a clusterfuck of immense proportions.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2024 12:22:40 GMT
So we choose schuey over carsley then realise schuey is not what we really want. We then let Walter’s bring in players that schuey may not want,while plotting to sack schuey and now have new players that the next manager might not want when schuey is sacked. This club is a clusterfuck of immense proportions. + Ennis. * |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 22, 2024 13:28:05 GMT
I think two factors people are forgetting. SS without doubt wanted Cundle . In my opinion he was the player that makes a huge difference. People say Moran is the same type of player . Not so . Moran is a passer . He tries to make the clever pass . Cundle runs with the ball . No other midfielder player we have or had does that . But JW was set on Lawal even when the stress fracture was found . This is just my opinion of course but I truly believe that had Cundle arrived as soon as was possible performances would have been better . A lot better. But JW having undermined SS for his own agenda refused the request. So much for working as a team . It’s not my way of working. You help people. SS had a young family. Relocating from Plymouth to Ormskirk would have had its challenges. Now settled SS would have had more Stoke time than previous. JW clearly didn’t help . Years ago I had a guy who was under performing. I tried him in several roles until he found his forte as a credit controller. He’s now head of credit control in a large company. To me that’s how you work with people. Jared may have been a maverick . Just manage the guy ( unless it was gross misconduct) You have to remember Wolves were allegedly asking something likes £6million I think for Cundle which is a ridicous price for a Championship player.You have to move on to another on your list. A combination of Lawal and Moran (where was he on Friday by the way?) could work for far less. |
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Sept 22, 2024 14:08:35 GMT
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Post by ceejays on Sept 22, 2024 14:52:26 GMT
Can’t see him going to Cardiff when he lives in ormskirk and has just relocated a young family. Would be divorce territory  . He needs to chill . Take time out . Realise he worried too much about the opposition and don’t take that army of analysts to your next job |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 22, 2024 17:44:40 GMT
Can’t see him going to Cardiff when he lives in ormskirk and has just relocated a young family. Would be divorce territory . He needs to chill . Take time out . Realise he worried too much about the opposition and don’t take that army of analysts to your next job Could see him getting the Bolton job if that becomes available Their manager said to be under pressure |
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Post by lordb on Sept 22, 2024 17:56:10 GMT
Can’t see him going to Cardiff when he lives in ormskirk and has just relocated a young family. Would be divorce territory . He needs to chill . Take time out . Realise he worried too much about the opposition and don’t take that army of analysts to your next job Could see him getting the Bolton job if that becomes available Their manager said to be under pressure They had a big win at the weekend |
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Post by delilahwhy on Sept 22, 2024 18:17:19 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 22, 2024 18:25:47 GMT
Not sure how you can go from looking at experienced managers, to a relative novice, but there you have it..
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. He needs to chill . Take time out . Realise he worried too much about the opposition and don’t take that army of analysts to your next job 
