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Post by AlbertTatlock on Sept 18, 2024 20:28:36 GMT
Good luck Shuey. That's all I have to say. Gouranga.  |
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Post by Do eet for Eetinneriseet on Sept 18, 2024 22:02:08 GMT
Exactly Real reason may never be aired but we need to move on from this and hopefully this appointment will be what we need Yes we move on. And we hope Pelach does brilliantly and the good times roll. But if it goes tits up Walters will be in the shit big time... No doubt Walters will get a lot of flack if Pelach doesnt work out, hopefully it will work Any club takes a chance with anyone they employ, will it wont it work? But it wasnt a knee jerk reaction to get rid of him and ALL of his cronies so hopefully we will get lucky this time |
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 19, 2024 5:49:29 GMT
Exactly Real reason may never be aired but we need to move on from this and hopefully this appointment will be what we need Yes we move on. And we hope Pelach does brilliantly and the good times roll. But if it goes tits up Walters will be in the shit big time... A call this big means if it goes tits up, Walters should be packing his bag along with Pelach. Normally wouldn’t be the case but the timing and circumstances of the sacking and the decision to appoint someone with no track record means he’s sticking his head out and it might get chopped off |
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Post by knype on Sept 19, 2024 6:24:44 GMT
Yes we move on. And we hope Pelach does brilliantly and the good times roll. But if it goes tits up Walters will be in the shit big time... A call this big means if it goes tits up, Walters should be packing his bag along with Pelach. Normally wouldn’t be the case but the timing and circumstances of the sacking and the decision to appoint someone with no track record means he’s sticking his head out and it might get chopped off Or it may work out for the good? We have gone down the route of trying coaches / managers who have been decent in the EFL and that hasn't worked out well has it? |
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Post by tuum on Sept 19, 2024 6:26:18 GMT
The reality of it is SS was not sacked because results or performances were that bad. There has clearly been a falling out, by the sounds of it, it was with people above him and below him after the weekend. Possibly, but performances in the league this season have generally been poor. On a number of occasions you saw players arguing between themselves on the pitch, looking confused and generally with no leadership. These problems needed to be addressed. SS may well have been the man to do so but I can understand why SJW pulled the plug so early on the basis of league performances so far this season. |
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 19, 2024 6:28:18 GMT
A call this big means if it goes tits up, Walters should be packing his bag along with Pelach. Normally wouldn’t be the case but the timing and circumstances of the sacking and the decision to appoint someone with no track record means he’s sticking his head out and it might get chopped off Or it may work out for the good? We have gone down the route of trying coaches / managers who have been decent in the EFL and that hasn't worked out well has it? Oh absolutely, if it works he’s a genius, if not, I’d suggest he’ll be out the door |
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Post by Scrotnig on Sept 19, 2024 6:44:33 GMT
Well I am surprised this happened as soon as it did. I thought we'd do the usual thing of limping along until around Christmas before doing it.
The bloke came across well but whatever he thought he was trying to do, wasn't working. We've made no progress this season over last, which was (albeit not all his fault) was worse than the one before.
It's a results game and he wasn't getting them with any consistency.
I could (and still can) see another relegation fight this season. There was no real sign he was doing anything other than maintaining the poor standards of the past few seasons.
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Post by swissstokie on Sept 19, 2024 7:33:23 GMT
It's perhaps useful to remind ourselves that Schumacher's statement is his side of the story. Easy to get caught up in the emotions of it all. It doesn't tell us anything about what else has been going on and what happens and doesn't happen on the training ground. Some of our better players have not turned up this season. That might be one clue, who knows? It maybe rubbish, but has anyone who is closer to the club heard anything at all about a trip to Glastonbury the week before pre-season? |
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Post by pushon on Sept 19, 2024 7:43:56 GMT
Schumacher has gone and will soon be forgotten.
Except for being the first (I think) Head Coach appointment, there is little to cherish about his rise and fall.
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Post by flea79 on Sept 19, 2024 8:12:26 GMT
Schumacher has gone and will soon be forgotten. Except for being the first (I think) Head Coach appointment, there is little to cherish about his rise and fall. i dunno, the club is in a better position than when he came in, some great youth prospects have been getting game time, he as managed to get rid of most of Neil and Martins rubbish, he didnt rip up trees but i liked the guy and wish him well |
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Post by stokecitytalke on Sept 19, 2024 11:41:13 GMT
It's perhaps useful to remind ourselves that Schumacher's statement is his side of the story. Easy to get caught up in the emotions of it all. It doesn't tell us anything about what else has been going on and what happens and doesn't happen on the training ground. Some of our better players have not turned up this season. That might be one clue, who knows? It maybe rubbish, but has anyone who is closer to the club heard anything at all about a trip to Glastonbury the week before pre-season? Wasn't the picture that was put on the Oatcake from the year before when he was still Plymouth manager? |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 19, 2024 12:09:01 GMT
The 7 wins out 10 stat being banded about seems a bit disingenuous. Why 10? .....if you get a back another 4 games it's then 7 from 14, that's another random place to start a stat depending on what argument you want to run with?
Or take the cup games out and its 5 from 12.
That stat may seem reasonable but just saying how stats can be manipulated.
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Post by st3mark on Sept 19, 2024 12:10:28 GMT
Well I am surprised this happened as soon as it did. I thought we'd do the usual thing of limping along until around Christmas before doing it. The bloke came across well but whatever he thought he was trying to do, wasn't working. We've made no progress this season over last, which was (albeit not all his fault) was worse than the one before. It's a results game and he wasn't getting them with any consistency. I could (and still can) see another relegation fight this season. There was no real sign he was doing anything other than maintaining the poor standards of the past few seasons. He’d won 7 out of the last 10 games hadn’t he? I’m not sure how often that’s happened in the last 30 years but it felt like progress to me. |
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Post by st3mark on Sept 19, 2024 12:12:22 GMT
The 7 wins out 10 stat being banded about seems a bit disingenuous. Why 10? .....if you get a back another 4 games it's then 7 from 14, that's another random place to start a stat depending on what argument you want to run with? Or take the cup games out and its 5 from 12. That stat may seem reasonable but just saying how stats can be manipulated. If it was a footballing decision then you would base it on recent form. Not the form of a team he inherited in the relegation zone. The last 10 games shows the clear signs of progress that he made. |
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 19, 2024 12:13:28 GMT
It's done now. So, I wish Schuey and his family well for the future.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 19, 2024 12:14:39 GMT
Well I am surprised this happened as soon as it did. I thought we'd do the usual thing of limping along until around Christmas before doing it. The bloke came across well but whatever he thought he was trying to do, wasn't working. We've made no progress this season over last, which was (albeit not all his fault) was worse than the one before. It's a results game and he wasn't getting them with any consistency. I could (and still can) see another relegation fight this season. There was no real sign he was doing anything other than maintaining the poor standards of the past few seasons. He’d won 7 out of the last 10 games hadn’t he? I’m not sure how often that’s happened in the last 30 years but it felt like progress to me. He won 3 games in the 10 games before that. There's another stat. |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 19, 2024 12:16:54 GMT
The 7 wins out 10 stat being banded about seems a bit disingenuous. Why 10? .....if you get a back another 4 games it's then 7 from 14, that's another random place to start a stat depending on what argument you want to run with? Or take the cup games out and its 5 from 12. That stat may seem reasonable but just saying how stats can be manipulated. If it was a footballing decision then you would base it on recent form. Not the form of a team he inherited in the relegation zone. The last 10 games shows the clear signs of progress that he made. But why take it from a run of 3 games we won. Why 10? Why not 8 or 12? Is that a magic number? It's taking it from a specific point to make a specific argument with little context. |
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Post by stokief on Sept 19, 2024 12:26:52 GMT
The 7 wins out 10 stat being banded about seems a bit disingenuous. Why 10? .....if you get a back another 4 games it's then 7 from 14, that's another random place to start a stat depending on what argument you want to run with? Or take the cup games out and its 5 from 12. That stat may seem reasonable but just saying how stats can be manipulated. If it was a footballing decision then you would base it on recent form. Not the form of a team he inherited in the relegation zone. The last 10 games shows the clear signs of progress that he made. Hold on a sec, we dropped in to the relegation zone for the first time in the February didn't we? SS joined in December. I think a few of the dire performances that led to that should be re-visited! Leicester? Blackburn? |
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Post by ceejays on Sept 19, 2024 12:28:27 GMT
Ok how about 15 wins in 36 matches ? Takes all the above out of the equation. Gives 41.67% . The highest win ratio of any manager ( with over 35 games ) in history of SCFC in last 30 years
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Post by moon on Sept 19, 2024 12:31:19 GMT
If it was a footballing decision then you would base it on recent form. Not the form of a team he inherited in the relegation zone. The last 10 games shows the clear signs of progress that he made. Hold on a sec, we dropped in to the relegation zone for the first time in the February didn't we? SS joined in December. I think a few of the dire performances that led to that should be re-visited! Leicester? Blackburn? Managers don't usually get sacked based on a few losses 6 or 7 months earlier though, if we look at the recent form (e.g. the month he was here this season and the last month or two of last season) then our form was pretty good, certainly not the kind of form that results in a manager getting the sack (unless it's a club expected to be sitting on top of the league with a ruthless owner). |
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Post by claytonscrubs on Sept 19, 2024 12:33:43 GMT
Good grief! What a childish prat 😂
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 19, 2024 13:04:50 GMT
When we brought Gudjon Thordarson and replaced Gary Megson in 1999 we had lost 1 game in the last 13.
That was hugely unpopular at the time and seemingly didn't make footballing sense.
Thordason had no club managerial record to speak of certainly not outside of Iceland.
So changes are not just about what's happening on the pitch, though in this case I think it partly was.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 19, 2024 13:09:54 GMT
Good grief! What a childish prat 😂 He's a bit random this chap 😆 he'll be pleased when Schumacher returns no doubt. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 19, 2024 13:10:56 GMT
When we brought Gudjon Thordarson and replaced Gary Megson in 1999 we had lost 1 game in the last 13. That was hugely unpopular at the time and seemingly didn't make footballing sense. Thordason had no club managerial record to speak of certainly not outside of Iceland. So changes are not just about what's happening on the pitch, though in this case I think it partly was. Fair point that. I remember being pissed about Megson getting sacked. |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 19, 2024 14:26:27 GMT
The 7 wins out 10 stat being banded about seems a bit disingenuous. Why 10? .....if you get a back another 4 games it's then 7 from 14, that's another random place to start a stat depending on what argument you want to run with? Or take the cup games out and its 5 from 12. That stat may seem reasonable but just saying how stats can be manipulated. If it was a footballing decision then you would base it on recent form. Not the form of a team he inherited in the relegation zone. The last 10 games shows the clear signs of progress that he made. If we’re randomly including three games from last season because we happened to win them, let’s compare the five games at the end of last season with the beginning of this one - 10 points and nine goals versus 6 pts and 3 goals this season. That’s after another transfer window, so even less of the team he inherited. Suddenly doesn’t look much like “clear progress”. |
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Post by ceejays on Sept 19, 2024 14:39:30 GMT
Clearly you have your own agenda. Take his complete record then that eliminates most of these posts . 41.67% is his overall win record . His record overall including Plymouth is 51% . Let me ask this question. What did Peo win in his first season in England. Answe FUCK ALL
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Post by pushon on Sept 19, 2024 14:59:56 GMT
Schumacher has gone, good luck to him in the future.
He didn't deliver, I assume, what was demanded upon his appointment.
It's the fortune of the club which is important and not individual employees.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 19, 2024 15:18:04 GMT
If it was a footballing decision then you would base it on recent form. Not the form of a team he inherited in the relegation zone. The last 10 games shows the clear signs of progress that he made. If we’re randomly including three games from last season because we happened to win them, let’s compare the five games at the end of last season with the beginning of this one - 10 points and nine goals versus 6 pts and 3 goals this season. That’s after another transfer window, so even less of the team he inherited. Suddenly doesn’t look much like “clear progress”. We can all mix and match the stats whichever way by using different timings of said stats etc. I would however argue the last 10 games is the more relevant metric. However, he's gone. Its not been done very well or professionally and a mostly liked head coach has been treated like a bit of a mug which some people with a bit more empathy find uncomfortable. I don't really want the club to get a reputation for being obnoxious wankers. Pelach is the new man and I'm excited now to see what he can do. I just hope he's given a fairer crack at it than Schumacher. |
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Post by stokief on Sept 19, 2024 15:49:24 GMT
Hold on a sec, we dropped in to the relegation zone for the first time in the February didn't we? SS joined in December. I think a few of the dire performances that led to that should be re-visited! Leicester? Blackburn? Managers don't usually get sacked based on a few losses 6 or 7 months earlier though, if we look at the recent form (e.g. the month he was here this season and the last month or two of last season) then our form was pretty good, certainly not the kind of form that results in a manager getting the sack (unless it's a club expected to be sitting on top of the league with a ruthless owner). However, managers can get the sack based on present and past performance. We had dropped into the relegation zone for the first time, the players told him he needed to change his tactics for us to stay up or words to that effect. We stay up by the skin of our teeth and we have no clue what's gone on behind the scenes during all of that and the close season. Our start to the season did nothing as far as I'm concerned to say that we wouldn't be clinging on in again if things carried on. There doubtless will be more to this than meets the eye and we can make all of that up as some seem to be doing in fantastical ways if we want to . There will always be two sides to a story and we may never hear either. Let's get on with it now shall we?! |
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Post by pushon on Sept 19, 2024 16:09:19 GMT
Managers don't usually get sacked based on a few losses 6 or 7 months earlier though, if we look at the recent form (e.g. the month he was here this season and the last month or two of last season) then our form was pretty good, certainly not the kind of form that results in a manager getting the sack (unless it's a club expected to be sitting on top of the league with a ruthless owner). However, managers can get the sack based on present and past performance. We had dropped into the relegation zone for the first time, the players told him he needed to change his tactics for us to stay up or words to that effect. We stay up by the skin of our teeth and we have no clue what's gone on behind the scenes during all of that and the close season. Our start to the season did nothing as far as I'm concerned to say that we wouldn't be clinging on in again if things carried on. There doubtless will be more to this than meets the eye and we can make all of that up as some seem to be doing in fantastical ways if we want to . There will always be two sides to a story and we may never hear either. Let's get on with it now shall we?! Nice post and sums up what most of us, on the Oatcake, accept as either fact or fiction and we can make our choice. What annoys me, is that many refer to Schumacher as Manager, when it was made clear upon his appointment that he was the Head Coach. It's probably being petty I know, but there are, at least, subtle differences. Anyway the 'Powers that Be' decided, in their wisdom, that the goals set were not being accomplished and so his employment was terminated. It may not seem entirely fair, but it's quite common in the Professional Football environment. |
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