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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 18, 2024 13:14:59 GMT
Schumacher statement: www.leaguemanagers.com/latest-news/steven-schumacher-statementSteven Schumacher Statement STATEMENT RELEASED ON BEHALF OF STEVEN SCHUMACHER: “It came as a huge shock to me and my family to be told I had lost my job at Stoke City FC. The coaching staff and I have worked tirelessly over the last nine months and for our journey at the club to be cut short is hugely disappointing. “Our objective last season was to keep the club in the EFL Championship. We achieved what we set out to and the way that we ended the season gave me great confidence that we could achieve this season’s objectives. “We tried to create an atmosphere where everyone enjoyed coming to work and committed to giving 100% every day. We won seven of our last ten competitive games, and started this season by winning four of the opening seven fixtures. In my opinion, after an encouraging start, we were only going to get better and I believe the squad assembled for this season will go on to do really well. I would like to thank the players for their efforts and wish them all the very best for the future. “It was clear that my vision of selecting young, hungry and energetic players to represent this great club was beginning to come to fruition. In playing the youngest ever Stoke City team in the Carabao Cup, we won the game by the highest margin away from home in 70 years. Following that feat I picked the youngest ever starting league team away at Plymouth Argyle. Unfortunately, the club have chosen to go in a different direction however, I thank the Coates family for giving me the opportunity to work at Stoke City FC. “Finally to the Stoke City FC fans. Thank you for the support you have shown my family and I over the last nine months. I do feel that we were starting to build a real connection between the supporters and the team, and I hope you were aware of how much it meant to me to be able to represent you on the touchline. “I feel that I have learned a lot about myself, both as a person and as a manager over the last nine months. I will use this experience and take some time to reflect, recharge and be ready for the next challenge.” A thank you to the Coates family included. Also, I agree with him on the connection with the fans and the team. The way we finished last season was positive and probably the best atmosphere at the ground for a while, it had a bit of excitement and enjoyment about it again. I wish him well, I thought he was going a decent job. |
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 18, 2024 13:15:14 GMT
I believe hes absolutely livid reading his statement.
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Post by stokeymad on Sept 18, 2024 13:28:25 GMT
I believe hes absolutely livid reading his statement. Probably is, but so were most of us after the Oxford game. Time to get behind the new HC. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 18, 2024 13:28:28 GMT
I believe hes absolutely livid reading his statement. Agree and so am i |
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Post by flea79 on Sept 18, 2024 13:28:43 GMT
"We tried to create an atmosphere where everyone enjoyed coming to work and committed to giving 100% every day."
makes it sound like this didnt quite go too plan and it was in danger of becoming a holiday camp again or the players revolted
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Post by tuum on Sept 18, 2024 13:31:24 GMT
I believe hes absolutely livid reading his statement. Measured is the word I would use. I agree though. Noticeable, that he thanked everyone bar SJW. Good bloke. Harshly treated by SJW in my opinion but I understand people's concerns.No denying that we failed to turn up 60% of the time in our 5 league fixtures to date. I would have given him 6 weeks more to get a tune out of them. Just have to hope SJW knows what he is doing. |
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Post by onlyonesirstan on Sept 18, 2024 13:37:59 GMT
I believe hes absolutely livid reading his statement. Measured is the word I would use. I agree though. Noticeable, that he thanked everyone bar SJW. Good bloke. Harshly treated by SJW in my opinion but I understand people's concerns.No denying that we failed to turn up 60% of the time in our 5 league fixtures to date. I would have given him 6 weeks more to get a tune out of them. Just have to hope SJW knows what he is doing. If the next manager appointment goes pear shaped, SJW, will come in for some serious abuse. |
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 18, 2024 13:45:56 GMT
Yes the Johnny Walters who had the balls and acumen to take a decision immediately rather than dilly-dally till the end of the season Then he should have done it in June. 5 games into the season is Watford-esque. He's already dallied, and it doesn't bode well. On this point I am in agreement Schumacher should have been sacked the same day that last season ended |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 18, 2024 14:16:05 GMT
Schumacher statement: www.leaguemanagers.com/latest-news/steven-schumacher-statementSteven Schumacher Statement STATEMENT RELEASED ON BEHALF OF STEVEN SCHUMACHER: “It came as a huge shock to me and my family to be told I had lost my job at Stoke City FC. The coaching staff and I have worked tirelessly over the last nine months and for our journey at the club to be cut short is hugely disappointing. “Our objective last season was to keep the club in the EFL Championship. We achieved what we set out to and the way that we ended the season gave me great confidence that we could achieve this season’s objectives. “We tried to create an atmosphere where everyone enjoyed coming to work and committed to giving 100% every day. We won seven of our last ten competitive games, and started this season by winning four of the opening seven fixtures. In my opinion, after an encouraging start, we were only going to get better and I believe the squad assembled for this season will go on to do really well. I would like to thank the players for their efforts and wish them all the very best for the future. “It was clear that my vision of selecting young, hungry and energetic players to represent this great club was beginning to come to fruition. In playing the youngest ever Stoke City team in the Carabao Cup, we won the game by the highest margin away from home in 70 years. Following that feat I picked the youngest ever starting league team away at Plymouth Argyle. Unfortunately, the club have chosen to go in a different direction however, I thank the Coates family for giving me the opportunity to work at Stoke City FC. “Finally to the Stoke City FC fans. Thank you for the support you have shown my family and I over the last nine months. I do feel that we were starting to build a real connection between the supporters and the team, and I hope you were aware of how much it meant to me to be able to represent you on the touchline. “I feel that I have learned a lot about myself, both as a person and as a manager over the last nine months. I will use this experience and take some time to reflect, recharge and be ready for the next challenge.” A thank you to the Coates family included. Also, I agree with him on the connection with the fans and the team. The way we finished last season was positive and probably the best atmosphere at the ground for a while, it had a bit of excitement and enjoyment about it again. I wish him well, I thought he was going a decent job. Thoughts 1 i agree hes clearly very angry 2 As ive said elsewhere the statement undelines the fact that the currrent numberd dont support the timing . Indeeed beat hull and pompey and its 12 from 8 70 point runnimg rate so.youd surely give him yhat chance before spending a few million om compensation . 3 its genuinely come as a shock which in itself is surprising ie hes been oit manoevered . 4 prerty clear by omission the SJW working in whatever or all parts , relatiomship is the issue So ultimately the owners were left with a choice stick with a two key figure relationship thats not working or remove one of them and if so which one ? The fact the entire coaching staff went too suggests they saw, or believed from what they were hearing from wherever, that the environment wasnt right as they dont sack managees with 40% win ratios higher recently lightly. |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 18, 2024 14:57:27 GMT
Not sad to see him go, it doesn’t matter and we will never know, but I didn’t see us progressing with him. Always came across uncertain and looked like he couldn’t believe he’d got the job.
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Post by idle on Sept 18, 2024 15:17:22 GMT
Then he should have done it in June. 5 games into the season is Watford-esque. He's already dallied, and it doesn't bode well. On this point I am in agreement Schumacher should have been sacked the same day that last season ended I disagree on that. I think JW just didn't dare after the end of the season results picked up. He's wanted him gone since day 1. And I still think the sacking now is foolhardy, especially with who he's hired as the new HC. So JW is both a coward (to use Bayerns favorite word) and not decisive. But we'll se how it goes. |
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 18, 2024 15:32:16 GMT
Ok results alone, it’s harsh, and I can’t think of another manager that’s been sacked after 7 wins out of 10 or whatever it is. Clearly, there is more to this story than is public knowledge. Either way, given the optics and fan opinion on the whole, Walters has put his balls right on the line here. If this goes wrong, the fans will be after him big time. For that reason alone, I think it was a stupid decision from him. Even if they’d had a fall out and he wanted him gone no matter what, he should have waited. This is possibly career suicide for Walters but SS will come out of it looking good. A weird few days at Stoke
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 18, 2024 15:39:43 GMT
On this point I am in agreement Schumacher should have been sacked the same day that last season ended I disagree on that. I think JW just didn't dare after the end of the season results picked up. He's wanted him gone since day 1. And I still think the sacking now is foolhardy, especially with who he's hired as the new HC. So JW is both a coward (to use Bayerns favorite word) and not decisive. But we'll se how it goes. Becoming patently obvious now that Walters never wanted him from the kick off. And i suspect on the QT Walters has been tapping this Pelach for months as he wanted his own man. Not someone who was already in position as head coach. Schumacher was on a hiding to nothing. Absolutely disgraceful. Walters is duplicitous. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 18, 2024 16:04:54 GMT
Unless a serious reason comes out as to why Schumacher was sacked I will continue to be a fan of his and will certainly be keeping and eye out for his games when he gets a new job. Part of me hopes he falls upwards and gets the Everton job. I wish him every success
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Post by emretezzy on Sept 18, 2024 16:22:06 GMT
Then he should have done it in June. 5 games into the season is Watford-esque. He's already dallied, and it doesn't bode well. On this point I am in agreement Schumacher should have been sacked the same day that last season ended After 3 wins? No one will convince me he shouldn't be manager. Especially instead of a bloke who talks a good game but has absolutely no credentials what so ever. |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 18, 2024 16:48:45 GMT
It's perhaps useful to remind ourselves that Schumacher's statement is his side of the story. Easy to get caught up in the emotions of it all.
It doesn't tell us anything about what else has been going on and what happens and doesn't happen on the training ground.
Some of our better players have not turned up this season. That might be one clue, who knows?
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Sept 18, 2024 18:26:27 GMT
I don't know if I'm more shocked at Schumacher's sacking or that fact we've managed to get a new coach in within 48 hours of the sacking. I was half expecting Ryan to be caretaker manager for a few weeks due to getting rejected - Pèlach is either very confident or crazy to come in looking at our record since 2018.
Good luck Schumacher in the future. Easily the most unfair dismissal since Gudjón Thórdarson. There will be a few openings coming up he'll be suited to and I think he'll do well at the right club.
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Post by chrisgal on Sept 18, 2024 18:57:28 GMT
My thoughts on Jonny Walters is he was a very hard working footballer and gave everything to SCFC. He has been promoted at management level on a fast track basis and it way above his capabilities. Hard grafters very rarely have any management skills. Just look at how many world class footballers have made it at management level. Having been going to Stoke since the late 60's Schumacher is the first manager I can remember that was trying to build for the future. I agree that Gouch was played out of position at Oxford and it was a bad decision. To me the club is getting to much like jobs for the boys, Walters, Shawcross and Forsyth have absolutely no track record and then we appoint a head coach that also has no track record. I seriously hope that my thoughts come back to bite me and hopefully we go from strength to strength.
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Post by clivey05 on Sept 18, 2024 18:57:30 GMT
The reality of it is SS was not sacked because results or performances were that bad. There has clearly been a falling out, by the sounds of it, it was with people above him and below him after the weekend.
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Sept 18, 2024 18:57:47 GMT
I suspect SS may manage to "manage" his anger when he looks at the pay-off cheque
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Post by tejstokie on Sept 18, 2024 19:00:43 GMT
It sucks, its football. Having said that, I'm over it. Trog on.
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Post by chrisgal on Sept 18, 2024 19:07:57 GMT
The reality of it is SS was not sacked because results or performances were that bad. There has clearly been a falling out, by the sounds of it, it was with people above him and below him after the weekend. That just proves how weak the directorship and top management are at SCFC. |
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Post by Do eet for Eetinneriseet on Sept 18, 2024 19:09:03 GMT
It's perhaps useful to remind ourselves that Schumacher's statement is his side of the story. Easy to get caught up in the emotions of it all. It doesn't tell us anything about what else has been going on and what happens and doesn't happen on the training ground. Some of our better players have not turned up this season. That might be one clue, who knows? Exactly Real reason may never be aired but we need to move on from this and hopefully this appointment will be what we need |
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Post by independent on Sept 18, 2024 19:21:46 GMT
127m income and we spent 180m in our last year in the premiership.
70m income. Club gambled on promotion. Rowett got cash to spend and spent it badly.
50m income. Nathan spent a little more money and made things worse. MON saved us from relegation.
40m income. Our income went down,our wage bill didn't.MON began to try and sort out our finances by getting rid of our better players and replacing them with cheaper ones on lower wages. Finished 14th place on 60pts.
31m income. MON continued to replace our better players with loans and cheapies and made most contracts end in June, so that he could then rebuild the side. Finished 14th place with 62 pts. Sacked after 5 games in the following season.
32m income. AN came in, no money to spend,but knew that our finances would be sorted out in June and he would be able to spend on players. Finished in 16th place with 53 points using mostly MON's players.AN got his own players, did nothing with them, and was replaced with SS.
SS avoided relegation, bought players in Summer. Sacked after 5 games.
New untried Head Coach appointed.
Inspiring stuff that would fill you with confidence that they know what they are doing.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 18, 2024 19:45:19 GMT
Then he should have done it in June. 5 games into the season is Watford-esque. He's already dallied, and it doesn't bode well. On this point I am in agreement Schumacher should have been sacked the same day that last season ended Oh yeh. Just after we had played the best football for ages with results as well. Young players looking good and a positive outlook. We look bonkers now but that would have been ridiculous to the fans and outside world. Walters has played a blinder I reckon and let SS hang himself with a couple of dodgy performances and selections. Probably chipping away at ss confidence and moral for a few weeks. SJW has put his cock on the block alright. Personally, I'm not that bothered about the SS departure because I reckon we are on a never ending circle of crisis, upset and chaos. Never boring though. |
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Post by Waggy on Sept 18, 2024 19:49:04 GMT
"We tried to create an atmosphere where everyone enjoyed coming to work and committed to giving 100% every day." makes it sound like this didnt quite go too plan and it was in danger of becoming a holiday camp again or the players revolted And that is what we need. |
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Post by Waggy on Sept 18, 2024 19:49:28 GMT
"We tried to create an atmosphere where everyone enjoyed coming to work and committed to giving 100% every day." makes it sound like this didnt quite go too plan and it was in danger of becoming a holiday camp again or the players revolted And that is what we need. Some players are letting us fans down |
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Post by Marc01 on Sept 18, 2024 20:10:13 GMT
Then he should have done it in June. 5 games into the season is Watford-esque. He's already dallied, and it doesn't bode well. On this point I am in agreement Schumacher should have been sacked the same day that last season ended Well, Mr Malteser, I reckon you wanted Schumacher sacked before his very first defeat, but you boldly saved your criticism until then. By the time of the Blackburn defeat you were hyperventilating, The win against QPR was memorable for your award of the “tactician of the night” to QPR’s defeated foreign manager. Foreign is the key quality for you. Unsurprisingly, you fell silent on Schumacher towards the end of the season. But with a 40% win rate he’s “out of his depth. Totally inept and out of his league” The nationality of the manager is an irrelevance. All that matters is they will prove to be the right choice; it takes a fair amount of time to make any really well informed judgment. There’s a few exceptions, when you get a gut feeling that a manager willl succeed before their first game, but the truth is that no one knows and wins and defeats are down to many factors. I wonder if you have been praising Sheff Wednesday’s foreign boss yet this season, like you did last? How could he have won less points than Schumacher this season? Let’s hope the new boss does well and doesn’t get baseles criticism from “he’s tactically inept” experts due to their crazy prejudices. 🤗 |
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Post by metalhead on Sept 18, 2024 20:14:10 GMT
I think this is a fucking bold move. With Schuey, we definitely weren't going up down but not going up either. I do think we were only a tweak or two off being a pretty good team who might even sneak a top 8.
So we've thrown away that fairly safe bet to basically gamble on an unproven Spanish 3rd division manager. People say we can't go down. We absolutely fucking can. We're not 'that' good, complete delusions of grandeur... We've had successive bottom half finishes, played some absolutely atrocious football sacked manager after manager and for the first time in a while, kind of looked like a half decent football team. Yeah.... We hadn't taken off like a rocket, but we looked OK.... So so.... Mid table fodder which is better than 12 months ago when we looked dog shit relegation material.
Dunno. Big gamble.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 18, 2024 20:20:33 GMT
It's perhaps useful to remind ourselves that Schumacher's statement is his side of the story. Easy to get caught up in the emotions of it all. It doesn't tell us anything about what else has been going on and what happens and doesn't happen on the training ground. Some of our better players have not turned up this season. That might be one clue, who knows? Exactly Real reason may never be aired but we need to move on from this and hopefully this appointment will be what we need Yes we move on. And we hope Pelach does brilliantly and the good times roll. But if it goes tits up Walters will be in the shit big time... |
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