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Post by malteser68 on Sept 17, 2024 16:10:15 GMT
Ah he will end up with Plymouth no less !!! Is that what we should aspire to ? A manager so good that he might even land the job as top dog at mighty Plymouth ??!! They're about as mighty as we are right now, so why not? They are as mighty as to what we have been reduced by having clueless and talentless people like Steven Schumacher as managers |
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Post by thehoof on Sept 17, 2024 16:13:54 GMT
Would suggest that it's too few games to judge I can see why you think that, but I disagree. Coventry - lucky to win Watford - Embarrassing WBA - Outplayed at home Plymouth - Quite an open game, but it had nil nil written all over it until Million stepped up Oxford - Disgusting And for him to have quality players at his disposal but to persist with tactics they don't understand and players out of position when there is better on the bench, he basically signed his own P45. Coventry had 1 shot on target but Stoke were lucky to win? Watford - agree WBA - outplayed? Manhoef misses a tap in and Koumas is unlucky with a shot against the inside of the post. WBA took the sting out of the game but didn’t outplay us by any stretch. Plymouth- Manhoef should have had us 2 up by half time, so how you arrive at 0-0 is a bit of a puzzle. Oxford - agree. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 17, 2024 16:15:59 GMT
I just hope he hasn't brain washed JC to the point he's almost unsackable. If this next HC doesn't work out Walters should be under serious pressure given he's just sacked a coach that almost no fan was calling to be sacked. It was unnecessary and far too early. Walters has put a target on his own back cos he lost his shit with Schumacher. Its not a good sign. Smells like a bully.. Palech isnt just a spur of the moment interest and SJW obviously had a reason to get rid when he did We should just trust what has gone down and just hope this all works out👍 Aye time will tell. But I'm calling it now, Walters in his inexperience has opted for the bully approach. He's failed an early test to get what he needs out of a promising young coach which is a failure on his part. And prospective HCs will become aware and we'll struggle more than we usually do to get decent ones. Its a terrible look for the club. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 17, 2024 16:18:32 GMT
I can see why you think that, but I disagree. Coventry - lucky to win Watford - Embarrassing WBA - Outplayed at home Plymouth - Quite an open game, but it had nil nil written all over it until Million stepped up Oxford - Disgusting And for him to have quality players at his disposal but to persist with tactics they don't understand and players out of position when there is better on the bench, he basically signed his own P45. Coventry had 1 shot on target but Stoke were lucky to win? Watford - agree WBA - outplayed? Manhoef misses a tap in and Koumas is unlucky with a shot against the inside of the post. WBA took the sting out of the game but didn’t outplay us by any stretch. Plymouth- Manhoef should have had us 2 up by half time, so how you arrive at 0-0 is a bit of a puzzle. Oxford - agree. And 2 clean sheets in those 2 wins. But yeah lucky 😆 we may as well have lost all 5... |
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Sept 17, 2024 16:28:00 GMT
My guess on what happened:
JW: OK it’s the international break and we have the squad in place we want. Can you coach the team as we discussed?
SS: Yes but with a few differences.
JW: No, as discussed.
SS: But I have a better idea.
JW: OK well prove it against Oxford.
Oxford game happens.
SS: I’ll get my own lift back.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 17, 2024 16:51:33 GMT
Would suggest that it's too few games to judge I can see why you think that, but I disagree. Coventry - lucky to win Watford - Embarrassing WBA - Outplayed at home Plymouth - Quite an open game, but it had nil nil written all over it until Million stepped up Oxford - Disgusting And for him to have quality players at his disposal but to persist with tactics they don't understand and players out of position when there is better on the bench, he basically signed his own P45. Dont think we were outplayed by West Brom……schooled a bit yes but on another day we’d have gotten something from that game |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 17, 2024 16:51:47 GMT
Stats speak for themselves guys. He's gone now, so let's see what happens.
On a different note, if you ever speak to Pejic, ask him about Walters and his honest opinion of him. One thing is for certain and that is that you'll get an honest answer.
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Post by GRUMPY 1 on Sept 17, 2024 17:00:29 GMT
Stats speak for themselves guys. He's gone now, so let's see what happens. On a different note, if you ever speak to Pejic, ask him about Walters and his honest opinion of him. One thing is for certain and that is that you'll get an honest answer. tell us Pej |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 17, 2024 17:03:12 GMT
Stats speak for themselves guys. He's gone now, so let's see what happens. On a different note, if you ever speak to Pejic, ask him about Walters and his honest opinion of him. One thing is for certain and that is that you'll get an honest answer. Take it it isnt favourable? |
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Post by stokief on Sept 17, 2024 17:26:09 GMT
Judging by the way Pej drones and moans on during co-commentary stints I would imagine he'd moan about himself if left on his own with a mirror  . I'm afraid you can't be popular with everyone 'tis a fact of life and I imagine Walters is pretty strong willed and thick skinned but you have to be. Still, sorry that it was your cousin who's lost his job , I'm sure he'll find a better fit when he's ready. What will be will be . |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 17, 2024 17:28:27 GMT
Judging by the way Pej drones and moans on during co-commentary stints I would imagine he'd moan about himself if left on his own with a mirror . I'm afraid you can't be popular with everyone 'tis a fact of life and I imagine Walters is pretty strong willed and thick skinned but you have to be. Still, sorry that it was your cousin who's lost his job , I'm sure he'll find a better fit when he's ready. What will be will be . Thanks mate. |
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 17, 2024 17:37:22 GMT
My theory is that Jon Coates misheard Walters' takeaway order as Chop Shuey.
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Post by Miles Offside on Sept 17, 2024 17:38:09 GMT
Steve came to Stoke on the back of an impressive promotion and especially good home record. He summarised his playing style as "pass forwards/run forwards".
Unfortunately, too many performances were just nowhere near good enough, based on bizarre team selections and seemed to be more about not losing than winning.
It's a pity that it hasn't worked, but Jon Walters did the right thing sacking him.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 17, 2024 17:46:58 GMT
The strategy of appointing a young, promising, head coach and bringing in young, exciting players with the ability to grow is a good one. It does however, almost certainly lead to inconsistent performances and results in the early stages of the plan.
I have been critical of many of our performances under Schuey. There have been times when he made bizarre selection and tactical choices. He sometimes asked players to perform roles that they clearly did not have the ability to fulfil. He was prone to over adjusting to counter some perceived strength of the opposition, rather than focussing on our strengths, and he has been out-coached at half time far too many times. All that said, I think he had shown that he could learn from his mistakes.
The strategy we seemed to be taking was one that needed time. I'm not sure we gave Schuey that time.
We seem to be courting an even younger, less experienced coach; will we give him time?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 17, 2024 18:05:45 GMT
The strategy of appointing a young, promising, head coach and bringing in young, exciting players with the ability to grow is a good one. It does however, almost certainly lead to inconsistent performances and results in the early stages of the plan. I have been critical of many of our performances under Schuey. There have been times when he made bizarre selection and tactical choices. He sometimes asked players to perform roles that they clearly did not have the ability to fulfil. He was prone to over adjusting to counter some perceived strength of the opposition, rather than focussing on our strengths, and he has been out-coached at half time far too many times. All that said, I think he had shown that he could learn from his mistakes. The strategy we seemed to be taking was one that needed time. I'm not sure we gave Schuey that time. We seem to be courting an even younger, less experienced coach; will we give him time? The problem i think is going to be Walters planet sized ego... |
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Post by geoff321 on Sept 17, 2024 18:12:34 GMT
You cannot judge a manager after just 32 games. His win rate was 40% which is fairly good.
I think the club has made a mistake but we just have to wait and see if the new guy can do better.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 17, 2024 18:20:54 GMT
You cannot judge a manager after just 32 games. His win rate was 40% which is fairly good. I think the club has made a mistake but we just have to wait and see if the new guy can do better. Off the back of inheriting Alex Neils mess as well. In his first big test Walters has shown his true colours. He's out of his depth and will be using bully tactics as his way of doing things under the pretence we're stoke and we're hard. He has failed to bed in with the young coach we brought in to build a side with and create stability. Walters is a shit house in my opinion |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 17, 2024 18:24:08 GMT
My theory is that Jon Coates misheard Walters' takeaway order as Chop Shuey. Not far off post of the day that, short and made me smile. Like Dolly Parton, lovely |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 17, 2024 18:25:22 GMT
The strategy of appointing a young, promising, head coach and bringing in young, exciting players with the ability to grow is a good one. It does however, almost certainly lead to inconsistent performances and results in the early stages of the plan. I have been critical of many of our performances under Schuey. There have been times when he made bizarre selection and tactical choices. He sometimes asked players to perform roles that they clearly did not have the ability to fulfil. He was prone to over adjusting to counter some perceived strength of the opposition, rather than focussing on our strengths, and he has been out-coached at half time far too many times. All that said, I think he had shown that he could learn from his mistakes. The strategy we seemed to be taking was one that needed time. I'm not sure we gave Schuey that time. We seem to be courting an even younger, less experienced coach; will we give him time? The problem i think is going to be Walters planet sized ego... They don’t call him Super Jonny Walters for nothing you know. Get with the program/programme (I can never remember which one should be used where). |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 17, 2024 18:33:15 GMT
You cannot judge a manager after just 32 games. His win rate was 40% which is fairly good. I think the club has made a mistake but we just have to wait and see if the new guy can do better. Off the back of inheriting Alex Neils mess as well. In his first big test Walters has shown his true colours. He's out of his depth and will be using bully tactics as his way of doing things under the pretence we're stoke and we're hard. He has failed to bed in with the young coach we brought in to build a side with and create stability. Walters is a shit house in my opinion Insecure. No doubt he'll blame his Dad. He didn't go to watch him play you know. Scars a bloke does that. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 17, 2024 19:18:07 GMT
So has this new bloke been named as the new manager yet…?
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Post by swandog73 on Sept 17, 2024 19:22:11 GMT
Doing well without schuey then 🤔
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Post by ct1 on Sept 17, 2024 19:35:41 GMT
You cannot judge a manager after just 32 games. His win rate was 40% which is fairly good. I think the club has made a mistake but we just have to wait and see if the new guy can do better. Off the back of inheriting Alex Neils mess as well. In his first big test Walters has shown his true colours. He's out of his depth and will be using bully tactics as his way of doing things under the pretence we're stoke and we're hard. He has failed to bed in with the young coach we brought in to build a side with and create stability. Walters is a shit house in my opinion is there any evidence at all that Jon Walters is a bully, genuinely interested as a number of posters seem to be saying it |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 17, 2024 19:41:56 GMT
Off the back of inheriting Alex Neils mess as well. In his first big test Walters has shown his true colours. He's out of his depth and will be using bully tactics as his way of doing things under the pretence we're stoke and we're hard. He has failed to bed in with the young coach we brought in to build a side with and create stability. Walters is a shit house in my opinion is there any evidence at all that Jon Walters is a bully, genuinely interested as a number of posters seem to be saying it Just my opinion. Not sure why others might be saying it but there's a few hints for my money. The biggest one being it happened so quick and the other being from a results perspective there isn't really the justification for it. Losing 3 in 5 with a couple of decent wins in between is not a bar any club I can think of uses to fuck managers off. I've also not liked any of Walters interviews. Comes across as a smug twat. How he got a gig as big as this I'll never know.. |
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Post by sticky on Sept 17, 2024 19:44:31 GMT
Do all these managers, back room staff etc go towards ffp?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 17, 2024 19:46:26 GMT
Do all these managers, back room staff etc go towards ffp? As far as I know yeah. So again crazy decision. Think of the money wasted, AN, MON and the other 4 this last 6 years. Billy smarts circus 🎪 |
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Post by sticky on Sept 17, 2024 19:49:18 GMT
Do all these managers, back room staff etc go towards ffp? As far as I know yeah. So again crazy decision. Think of the money wasted, AN, MON and the other 4 this last 6 years. Billy smarts circus 🎪 Yep seems daft chasing a manager then giving them limited time. Doesn’t seem to go much thought in getting the guy in, or if there is they’re not giving them time or getting their vision across very well. |
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Post by idle on Sept 17, 2024 21:11:02 GMT
They're about as mighty as we are right now, so why not? They are as mighty as to what we have been reduced by having clueless and talentless people like Steven Schumacher as managers They are. After we've had a long spell under the same people who've now handed all the power to Jhonny Walters. |
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Post by independent on Sept 17, 2024 21:28:55 GMT
The strategy of appointing a young, promising, head coach and bringing in young, exciting players with the ability to grow is a good one. It does however, almost certainly lead to inconsistent performances and results in the early stages of the plan. I have been critical of many of our performances under Schuey. There have been times when he made bizarre selection and tactical choices. He sometimes asked players to perform roles that they clearly did not have the ability to fulfil. He was prone to over adjusting to counter some perceived strength of the opposition, rather than focussing on our strengths, and he has been out-coached at half time far too many times. All that said, I think he had shown that he could learn from his mistakes. The strategy we seemed to be taking was one that needed time. I'm not sure we gave Schuey that time. We seem to be courting an even younger, less experienced coach; will we give him time? Can't say that I ever had confidence in Schumacher as I felt that he was learning on the job and that we needed a more experienced Manager. Having said that, I think that his sacking is a terrible decision and a poor reflection on our management. We should have persevered with him and at least given him more time and a chance to succeed. I thought that getting rid of MON was a mistake and I think this is another one. Maybe Walters will be proven right but I doubt it. We are in too much of a hurry and are looking for instant success, when we should be steadily building a structure that will bring and sustain continued growth. This quite clearly requires stability and not this constant upheaval which seems to be self defeating. |
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Post by misterj on Sept 17, 2024 21:43:27 GMT
I still say (although it sounds dinosaur-esque) that if there is a nucleus of local lads in the squad it gives a certain DNA quality / loyalty / identity which ‘outsiders’ cannot bring to the table - I’m not talking about majority of the squad or anything like that, just 5 or 6 would be nice, Sol is a good start - I know Tom Edwards didn’t quite work out but before him there was Wilko and Carl Dickinson who were very popular as was Ryan Shotton then not so long ago Paul Ware/Carl Beeston and before then Bould, Heath, Chamberlains, Chapman, Crooks, etc etc Where there is a will and determination it CAN happen. There’s a really excellent exciting 10 yr old striker who was in my grandson’s Sunday team, you’ve guessed it - Prem clubs fighting over him and he now goes to Man City twice per week. Why can’t Stoke be in for kids like that? Is there a local scouting system or will it focus mainly on certain places in U.K./ on continent?
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. I'm afraid you can't be popular with everyone 'tis a fact of life and I imagine Walters is pretty strong willed and thick skinned but you have to be. Still, sorry that it was your cousin who's lost his job , I'm sure he'll find a better fit when he's ready. What will be will be .
