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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 16, 2024 10:19:05 GMT
Knowing Stoke,Adam Rock's up with Fleetwood on Tues.
Stoke thump them 4-0,then Coates appoints Adam has our new manager.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Sept 16, 2024 10:20:05 GMT
Have to look back to what was the turning point after the Cardiff game last season. The players told him that they didn't think what he was trying to do was working, they told him he should change and he did. That was probably the beginning of the end for him. He's reverted back to what he was trying to do originally this season and I'm assuming the players still think his ideas are just as shit as when they told him he needed to change it last time. That would certainly explain what has happened. To be undermined by the players twice for the same reason, with good cause, would make your position untenable because you're supposed to be leading the players as the head coach not the other way around. I suspect we'll never know the true reason. We won't want to publicly shame Schumacher and make him look shit, and we won't want to let it be publicly known just how much of a mess our dressing room is in. |
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Post by scfcadams on Sept 16, 2024 10:20:12 GMT
So why didn't we sack him in the summer... Gave him another 5 games to see if he could show signs of improvement. There were zero signs of improvement. That's not fantastic decisive decision making is it then? You've just wasted a summer |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 16, 2024 10:20:21 GMT
So why didn't we sack him in the summer... Gave him another 5 games to see if he could show signs of improvement. There were zero signs of improvement. Giving him the entire summer and 5 games is not decisive. It's the very definition of indecisive. |
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Post by telfordstokie on Sept 16, 2024 10:20:44 GMT
Just checked the table and Norwich are two places below us so hardly pulling up trees. We’re not even poaching their manager, we’re taking a member of the coaching staff.
When you compare what Schumacher and Pelach have both achieved to date in their careers, this decision looks on paper to be insane.
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Post by senojbor on Sept 16, 2024 10:21:42 GMT
Sven hasn’t got a club…….. too soon? Not funny |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 16, 2024 10:23:49 GMT
Just checked the table and Norwich are two places below us so hardly pulling up trees. We’re not even poaching their manager, we’re taking a member of the coaching staff. When you compare what Schumacher and Pelach have both achieved to date in their careers, this decision looks on paper to be insane. We aren't poaching their manager because we don't need a manager. We are appointing a Head Coach so we are looking at their first team coach because that's what we are after. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 16, 2024 10:23:52 GMT
Shue to Plymouth Rooney to Stoke,you never know with this looney in charge.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Sept 16, 2024 10:23:54 GMT
I raised my eyebrows a little on seeing the news but none of us really know what's been going on, although many are guessing. My view is that SS thought he knew what he was doing, but has lost the players along the way who are more than a touch confused. I agree with Bayern that Walters has conducted the orchestra since his appointment and what we now need is a coach with a clear vision, intelligence and a strategic and analytical mind, even if it's a bloke with a name that sounds like an anagram (please be my guest). Schumacher never struck me as having real belief or gravitas but I'm sure the truth will out when the dust has settled.
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Post by steewee on Sept 16, 2024 10:24:15 GMT
Predicted this a few weeks ago in the Schumacher verdict (dreadful) , cracking decision by the club.
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Post by dobcool on Sept 16, 2024 10:26:00 GMT
Do you reckon this is exactly what 1. FSV Mainz 05 fans were saying just before a certain appointment?... How the absolute fuck is this guy even on our radar? I know with players it can be clever recruitment, but to go from Schumacher (an up and coming coach in League One and good start in the Championship) to putting your balls on the line for Norwich's assistant manager? Is someone on crack down there? I was expecting a name with a reputation to get us back on track, not some nobody who had managed Huddersfield for a week. And that's not trying to be disrespectful to him, I just don't get how this becomes your number one option. I mean, who the frig are his coaches going to be other than this GK coach guy if we've binned everyone else off? |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 16, 2024 10:26:27 GMT
I'm not having that he wasn't involved in signing some of them. Course he was. None of us know know tbf. In nay event- this - IMO - the single biggest appointment we've had to make since we came down. Going balls deep and sacking him early is bold - they'd better have someone good lined up. Is Narcis Pélach good? Like, really really good? We'll soon find out! His CV doesn't suggest it. His biggest claim to fame seems to as assistant to Corberan at Huddersfield. His managerial career has been a 9th and a relegation with Perlada in the Spanish second division. Wow! How do you choose him? He has been assistant at Norwich for one unremarkable season. |
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Post by noustie on Sept 16, 2024 10:26:34 GMT
Gave him another 5 games to see if he could show signs of improvement. There were zero signs of improvement. Giving him the entire summer and 5 games is not decisive. It's the very definition of indecisive. Either fuck him off and give someone else the summer or stick with him - sacking him 2 weeks after the transfer window closes is just basket case stuff. It's not his fault Lawal is injured and the only player we appear to have with a bit of physicality in another wise weak as piss midfield. |
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Post by telfordstokie on Sept 16, 2024 10:27:43 GMT
Just checked the table and Norwich are two places below us so hardly pulling up trees. We’re not even poaching their manager, we’re taking a member of the coaching staff. When you compare what Schumacher and Pelach have both achieved to date in their careers, this decision looks on paper to be insane. We aren't poaching their manager because we don't need a manager. We are appointing a Head Coach so we are looking at their first team coach because that's what we are after. Norwich’s current boss is also officially a ‘head coach’. My point is it is a major roll of the dice to go for a guy who isn’t even the number 1 at his current club. |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 16, 2024 10:27:57 GMT
Let’s be honest, we were going nowhere with Schumacher in charge.
I wish him all the best - everyone seems to only have good things to say about him on a personal level.
Another very short chapter…onto the next.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 16, 2024 10:29:13 GMT
Absolutely shocked by this decision.
Just not the Stoke City I know.
Time will tell whether the decision was correct. Stoke have been poor at picking managers and slow to remove them - in the past! But the decisions to remove were all correct as none of the one's removed have set the world alight elsewhere subsequently. Just hope this is the correct decision.
As to why? It can't be results. Overall we were getting better but slipping up which is not surprising with a new team and many inexperienced players for the Championship. So I can only conclude there has been conflict being the scenes. The players performance on Saturday was lifeless. Schuey's interview showed a man who was really gutted by a dreadful performance.
We now need a steady hand to groom the best out of what I believe is a young and very talented squad. Hope the club make the correct choice.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 16, 2024 10:30:22 GMT
Do you reckon this is exactly what 1. FSV Mainz 05 fans were saying just before a certain appointment?... How the absolute fuck is this guy even on our radar? I know with players it can be clever recruitment, but to go from Schumacher (an up and coming coach in League One and good start in the Championship) to putting your balls on the line for Norwich's assistant manager? Is someone on crack down there? I was expecting a name with a reputation to get us back on track, not some nobody who had managed Huddersfield for a week. And that's not trying to be disrespectful to him, I just don't get how this becomes your number one option. I mean, who the frig are his coaches going to be other than this GK coach guy if we've binned everyone else off? I'm not one to go over the top, he'll happily get my backing as we are fucking shit and have been for years, I just don't get how you sack Schumacher and go for this guy in the position we're in. After this morning I was expecting someone who knew their way round the league. Obviously there is more than one way to skin a cat, but this just feels very left-field and potentially needless. It's like we have had a bright idea and completely shifted the dynamic overnight...until it doesn't work again. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 16, 2024 10:31:06 GMT
Is Narcis Pélach good? Like, really really good? We'll soon find out! His CV doesn't suggest it. His biggest claim to fame seems to as assistant to Corberan at Huddersfield. His managerial career has been a 9th and a relegation with Perlada in the Spanish second division. Wow! How do you choose him? He has been assistant at Norwich for one unremarkable season. The only thing which with my very positive hat on is that we are negotiating with Corberan and he wants this bloke as his assistant again. Now that would be an amazing appointment. 😂😂😂 |
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 16, 2024 10:31:11 GMT
Fantastic decisive decision making. Why are people moaning when we are, for once, not waiting until the season is over before sacking the manager? He's clearly not the man to get us competing in the top 6, that was apparent last season. If it was apparent last season, why not do it in the summer and give the new manager time to bring his own players in and work on his own play style? I have heard that apparently it’s slightly cheaper to pay someone off once you’ve got them over certain milestones stipulated in the contract (i.e. start of the second season). I might be wrong though. |
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 16, 2024 10:31:28 GMT
Have to look back to what was the turning point after the Cardiff game last season. The players told him that they didn't think what he was trying to do was working, they told him he should change and he did. That was probably the beginning of the end for him. He's reverted back to what he was trying to do originally this season and I'm assuming the players still think his ideas are just as shit as when they told him he needed to change it last time. That would certainly explain what has happened. To be undermined by the players twice for the same reason, with good cause, would make your position untenable because you're supposed to be leading the players as the head coach not the other way around. I suspect we'll never know the true reason. We won't want to publicly shame Schumacher and make him look shit, and we won't want to let it be publicly known just how much of a mess our dressing room is in. Why did you take that post as gospel? Do you always take things at face value? |
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Post by thepottypotter on Sept 16, 2024 10:34:38 GMT
Batshit, bonkers decision. Reflects very poorly on the club.
Doesn't matter who they get in if their bosses are clowns. Raises big questions over Walters' and JC's decision making.
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Post by smiler_andy on Sept 16, 2024 10:34:58 GMT
If it was apparent last season, why not do it in the summer and give the new manager time to bring his own players in and work on his own play style? I have heard that apparently it’s slightly cheaper to pay someone off once you’ve got them over certain milestones stipulated in the contract (i.e. start of the second season). I might be wrong though. When you do it nearly every season and the results fail miserably it is probably not a wise strategy. |
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Post by questionable on Sept 16, 2024 10:35:18 GMT
Has he even done that bad of a job this season? From the outside looking in, he’s done okay so far this season. Seems a harsh sacking unless there’s been a huge fallout behind the scenes. He’s been awful mate and was for pretty much last season, horrible to watch 90% of the time |
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Post by 36dd on Sept 16, 2024 10:36:00 GMT
I have held back on this information for ages but now feel that JC is going to be the destruction of SCFC.
About 3-4 years ago John Coates daughter was playing Netball for Newcastle (Under Lyme) and because of facilities in SOT & Staffordshire are poor for the Netball league.
John kindly built a brand new complex in Newcastle for the team & for use for matches etc. However after completion the building wasn’t fit for purpose & the courts were too small, but couldn’t be extended due to the construction of the building.
I know he isn’t the architect or builder but surely he had the final say on the plans? It just worries me that if he can mess up this project what could he do to being a Chairman at Stoke?
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 16, 2024 10:36:13 GMT
We'll be having our OWN manager of the month award at this rate !!!!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 16, 2024 10:36:42 GMT
WTF? Has something gone on behind the scenes? Shue to Walters,"why didnt you get me Cundle like I asked you fuckwit"? Walters walks away,30 mins later Coates sacks Shue. |
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Sept 16, 2024 10:36:47 GMT
That would certainly explain what has happened. To be undermined by the players twice for the same reason, with good cause, would make your position untenable because you're supposed to be leading the players as the head coach not the other way around. I suspect we'll never know the true reason. We won't want to publicly shame Schumacher and make him look shit, and we won't want to let it be publicly known just how much of a mess our dressing room is in. Why did you take that post as gospel? Do you always take things at face value? I said it would make sense. Not that it's definitely true. Very little about this decision makes sense and this is probably the most logical explanation. Although as we know with Stoke, the most logical explanation is rarely the truth  |
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Post by stoke1989 on Sept 16, 2024 10:38:40 GMT
He wasn't going to take us anywhere unfortunately. We've been dreadful in all 5 games this season, lucky to have 6 points. I wish him well in his future endeavours.
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Post by dobcool on Sept 16, 2024 10:38:54 GMT
Yeah, I get you. The funny thing is that Klopp wasn't even that good for 1. FSV Mainz 05. He even managed to get them relegated at one point... Do you reckon this is exactly what 1. FSV Mainz 05 fans were saying just before a certain appointment?... I'm not one to go over the top, he'll happily get my backing as we are fucking shit and have been for years, I just don't get how you sack Schumacher and go for this guy in the position we're in. After this morning I was expecting someone who knew their way round the league. Obviously there is more than one way to skin a cat, but this just feels very left-field and potentially needless. It's like we have had a bright idea and completely shifted the dynamic overnight...until it doesn't work again. |
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Post by stantheman on Sept 16, 2024 10:39:15 GMT
He was always too much of a risk due to lack of managerial experience. A Nathan Jones mark 2. Plymouth and Luton are all well and good, but our cluster fuck of a Club is a different entity. The worry is that all of his backroom Staff have gone. Wasn't one of the Coaches close to Tom Cannon? Calling Schumacher "Nathan Jones mark 2" is just daft. Schumacher won the same amount of games as Jones in less than half the time. Schumacher had a win percentage of 40.63% which makes him the 9th most successful manager in our history (excluding caretakers) based on that metric. That puts him higher than MON, Pulis and Waddington (which shocked me!). In comparison, Jones had a win percentage of 15.79%, he's in the realms of Lambert and Kamara with that percentage. The comparison to Jones starts, and ends, at his age. You can throw the statistics at this all you want. Schumacher did OK at Plymouth, Jones did better at Luton. Both Clubs are a million miles away from what we were/are, so both appointments were high risk. So the comparison is nothing to do with age, or even win percentages, it's to do with experience - or lack of |
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