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Post by senojbor on Sept 16, 2024 10:39:45 GMT
I see no rationale for this decision at all can only assume there is an unknown factor 'something has gone on' Walter’s and him fell out due to Walter’s going behind his back and signing players without his approval. I know this for fact. Yes you are not wrong. I know he was upset by this but it was before Walters came in April. SS got his way with the Ennis signing and he signed the worst player since Berahino. You can't hid mistakes like that. I liked SS but his relationship with JC and JW was strained by the looks of it. You don't go around pissing your boss off. I think his team selection was naive, especially away games when we needed some muscle. Would he have got it right? Still yet to see two midfield players a guy up front. I'm not comfortable with this. Tailor made for Pulis, but it wont happen so let's see. Hope JW turns up in Ricardo's on the 26th |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 16, 2024 10:41:04 GMT
Absolutely shocked by this decision. Just not the Stoke City I know. Time will tell whether the decision was correct. Stoke have been poor at picking managers and slow to remove them - in the past! But the decisions to remove were all correct as none of the one's removed have set the world alight elsewhere subsequently. Just hope this is the correct decision. As to why? It can't be results. Overall we were getting better but slipping up which is not surprising with a new team and many inexperienced players for the Championship. So I can only conclude there has been conflict being the scenes. The players performance on Saturday was lifeless. Schuey's interview showed a man who was really gutted by a dreadful performance. We now need a steady hand to groom the best out of what I believe is a young and very talented squad. Hope the club make the correct choice. Just not the Stoke City I know. No since JC took over the club it isn't. He's the only common dominator since we got relegated. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 16, 2024 10:41:27 GMT
Wheres Boskamp when you need him ?
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Sept 16, 2024 10:41:29 GMT
Calling Schumacher "Nathan Jones mark 2" is just daft. Schumacher won the same amount of games as Jones in less than half the time. Schumacher had a win percentage of 40.63% which makes him the 9th most successful manager in our history (excluding caretakers) based on that metric. That puts him higher than MON, Pulis and Waddington (which shocked me!). In comparison, Jones had a win percentage of 15.79%, he's in the realms of Lambert and Kamara with that percentage. The comparison to Jones starts, and ends, at his age. You can throw the statistics at this all you want. Schumacher did OK at Plymouth, Jones did better at Luton. Both Clubs are a million miles away from what we were/are, so both appointments were highh risk. So the comparison is nothing to do with age, or even win percentages, it's to do with experience - or lack of I don't care what they did at other clubs, it's about what they did here at our club. Compare the two based on their time at our club and Schumacher is far superior. Calling him "Nathan Jones mark 2" is just nonsense. |
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Post by solihullpotter on Sept 16, 2024 10:43:04 GMT
Genuinely dont understand the logic behind this unless we have Tuchel lined up!!! WTF??? If John Coates has anything to do with this decision, it's the wrong one. Only person who should be sacked is whoever signed off that laughing stock of a pink kit. The person who signed off that pink kit needs more than sacking... |
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Post by ceejays on Sept 16, 2024 10:44:09 GMT
Somebody on this thread made a telling comment. How the heck have we pulled this pelachi guy out of the hat . Seems in stoke like . Well as the guy said above Gibson played for Norwich . Now this leads you to think the following. Gibson was a Walters appointment. They played together and when Gibson signed Walters waxed lyrical as to Gibson being professional and dedicated. So Gibson knows this Pelachi guy. So somewhere along the line he may have mentioned him . Or being totally conspiracy theory tipped the wink which would mean he ( Gibson ) was undermining SS . Something in between is probably the case but we have clearly had a candidate list ( righty so) should we pull the trigger .
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Post by skip on Sept 16, 2024 10:49:48 GMT
Genuinely dont understand the logic behind this unless we have Tuchel lined up!!! WTF??? If John Coates has anything to do with this decision, it's the wrong one. Only person who should be sacked is whoever signed off that laughing stock of a pink kit. The person who signed off that pink kit needs more than sacking... It's just a change kit. Cool your jets man! |
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Post by skip on Sept 16, 2024 10:52:14 GMT
Somebody on this thread made a telling comment. How the heck have we pulled this pelachi guy out of the hat . Seems in stoke like . Well as the guy said above Gibson played for Norwich . Now this leads you to think the following. Gibson was a Walters appointment. They played together and when Gibson signed Walters waxed lyrical as to Gibson being professional and dedicated. So Gibson knows this Pelachi guy. So somewhere along the line he may have mentioned him . Or being totally conspiracy theory tipped the wink which would mean he ( Gibson ) was undermining SS . Something in between is probably the case but we have clearly had a candidate list ( righty so) should we pull the trigger . Happy to play dumbass join the dots on this occasion. If Gibson has said to Walters that Pelachi is shit tonnes better than Schuey, and Schuey then goes and loses to Oxford and then admits on the radio he doesn't know why, Walters has simply fucked him off. Job done. |
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Sept 16, 2024 10:54:47 GMT
It's interesting that sources are saying that the decision has "gone down well" at Stoke... Where has this been said? |
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Post by stoke1989 on Sept 16, 2024 10:55:45 GMT
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Post by solihullpotter on Sept 16, 2024 10:56:04 GMT
The person who signed off that pink kit needs more than sacking... It's just a change kit. Cool your jets man! I can't. It makes me feel physically ill. |
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Post by telfordstokie on Sept 16, 2024 10:56:54 GMT
Somebody on this thread made a telling comment. How the heck have we pulled this pelachi guy out of the hat . Seems in stoke like . Well as the guy said above Gibson played for Norwich . Now this leads you to think the following. Gibson was a Walters appointment. They played together and when Gibson signed Walters waxed lyrical as to Gibson being professional and dedicated. So Gibson knows this Pelachi guy. So somewhere along the line he may have mentioned him . Or being totally conspiracy theory tipped the wink which would mean he ( Gibson ) was undermining SS . Something in between is probably the case but we have clearly had a candidate list ( righty so) should we pull the trigger . Reckon you are onto something with that - at the very least Walters will have surely have asked Gibson about Pelach at some point if they’ve worked together last season. |
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Post by watcher on Sept 16, 2024 10:57:38 GMT
It’s either a master stroke or it leaves us with an owner who is either Arthur or Martha,a director of football who’s job will be untenable and big sam coming in to save us from relegation! I really hope it’s the former .
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Post by stoke1989 on Sept 16, 2024 10:58:10 GMT
Why is he been held in high regard by some? What has he achieved here? Has there been any improvement from the last 4 years?
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Post by silverdollar on Sept 16, 2024 10:58:54 GMT
Walter’s and him fell out due to Walter’s going behind his back and signing players without his approval. I know this for fact. Yes you are not wrong. I know he was upset by this but it was before Walters came in April. SS got his way with the Ennis signing and he signed the worst player since Berahino. You can't hid mistakes like that. I liked SS but his relationship with JC and JW was strained by the looks of it. You don't go around pissing your boss off. I think his team selection was naive, especially away games when we needed some muscle. Would he have got it right? Still yet to see two midfield players a guy up front. I'm not comfortable with this. Tailor made for Pulis, but it wont happen so let's see. Hope JW turns up in Ricardo's on the 26th Perhaps we can get Tony Waddington and a Ouiji Bo |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 16, 2024 11:00:45 GMT
Gave him another 5 games to see if he could show signs of improvement. There were zero signs of improvement. Giving him the entire summer and 5 games is not decisive. It's the very definition of indecisive. It was absolutely decisive. And a fantastic decision. We've been largely fucking shit under this guy and he's been rightly potted. |
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Post by thepottypotter on Sept 16, 2024 11:00:45 GMT
Season's over. I will be amazed if we aren't in a relegation dogfight again.
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Post by brizzlestokie on Sept 16, 2024 11:03:06 GMT
I think the cynicism of the appointment understandably comes from our lack of faith in the decision makers at the club. If Luton were doing the same I’d probably be expecting it to be shrewd appointment. Seems like a left-wing appointment to us but hopefully the club have done their homework.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 16, 2024 11:03:20 GMT
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 16, 2024 11:03:41 GMT
Season's over. I will be amazed if we aren't in a relegation dogfight again. If Coates goes for yet another no mark British manager,you could be right. |
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Post by cokecystfit on Sept 16, 2024 11:04:25 GMT
Squad rebuild to suit the new system, anyone?
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Post by stokie1 on Sept 16, 2024 11:08:33 GMT
Season's over. I will be amazed if we aren't in a relegation dogfight again. If Coates goes for yet another no mark British manager,you could be right. For me this is clearly John Walters taking 100% control of the footballing side. He wants his own guy and is very ambitious. He wants to do it his way and John Coates is backing him. I hope he is the right man to back. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 16, 2024 11:08:56 GMT
Squad rebuild to suit the new system, anyone? If we have adopted the model where the DoF sets the direction for squad developmemt and the HC is appointed on the basis that they work with the direction set by the DoF then no. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 16, 2024 11:10:06 GMT
Season's over. I will be amazed if we aren't in a relegation dogfight again. If Coates goes for yet another no mark British manager,you could be right. Mark Hughes is available...just saying  I'll be happy if we appoint a decent, young, foreign coach. English managers are terrible, by and large. Totally meh about Shuey's appointment and his sacking to be honest. Could anyone really see him taking us up and managing in the PL? Not a chance. He's got lower league manager written all over him. |
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Post by headsgoup on Sept 16, 2024 11:10:41 GMT
I'm fairly happy with the decision.
Some of Schumacher's decision-making was, avant garde to say the least.
It's possible he couldn't motivate the players either, looking at recent performances.
A lot of formations played for a man who supposedly got his squad, too.
I think this has been planned for some time, and actually is a proper correction to a DoF employing a manager to fit a style and squad.
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Post by mcw on Sept 16, 2024 11:10:51 GMT
Giving him the entire summer and 5 games is not decisive. It's the very definition of indecisive. It was absolutely decisive. And a fantastic decision. We've been largely fucking shit under this guy and he's been rightly potted. The one thing I would say is that whilst we did get some patches of excellent football, I have never felt even remotely comfortable with how we were set up defensively or physically for this league. I reckon ithat in most games we found ourselves outmuscled and were facing 3 on 2, 2 on 1 and 1 on 1 situations at least 4/5 times a game. It has been bloody nerve wracking all the time, even if we do win. For me it is the right decision, we need someone who can find a way to add steel/structure to compliment our supposedly young talented squad and he didn’t seem to think this was necessary… |
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Post by superjw on Sept 16, 2024 11:11:11 GMT
Can’t quite believe what’s going on to be honest, but I can only think something has gone monumentally wrong behind the scenes.
We must be a bit of a running joke inside the football world, the number of managers we have had in such a short space is insanity. If Coates chooses another dull british journeyman manager (which he will) then that’s our season over.
For what it’s worth I never rated SS, always found it bizarre
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Post by bingbang on Sept 16, 2024 11:12:13 GMT
Thought the same about LMH being available
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Post by Linx on Sept 16, 2024 11:12:47 GMT
Absolutely shocked by this decision. Just not the Stoke City I know. Time will tell whether the decision was correct. Stoke have been poor at picking managers and slow to remove them - in the past! But the decisions to remove were all correct as none of the one's removed have set the world alight elsewhere subsequently. Just hope this is the correct decision. As to why? It can't be results. Overall we were getting better but slipping up which is not surprising with a new team and many inexperienced players for the Championship. So I can only conclude there has been conflict being the scenes. The players performance on Saturday was lifeless. Schuey's interview showed a man who was really gutted by a dreadful performance. We now need a steady hand to groom the best out of what I believe is a young and very talented squad. Hope the club make the correct choice. Just not the Stoke City I know. No since JC took over the club it isn't. He's the only common dominator since we got relegated. Agreed Staffs. There was a time when we could feel happy about our well-run club, a paragon of stability, and we used to laugh at the type of basket case clubs that ours is quickly turning into. Each turn of the reset dial makes us worse, not better. |
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Post by swampySCFC on Sept 16, 2024 11:13:45 GMT
Arsenal hated all our staff at that time as they kept getting beat  |
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