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Post by baconburger on Sept 16, 2024 9:53:34 GMT
The more I think of it the more I’m convincing myself it’s a fall out between Cundle versus Lawal . SS wanted Cundle. Wolves wanted £4m . Clearly a non starter . But £2m ? Then Walters brings in Lawal - clearly his appointment. SS wouldn’t be happy about that particularly when they find stress fracture. They don’t pull out of the deal . Walters railroads it through. Even Lawal when interviewed said Walters gave him assurances. So my bet is SS objected. Wanted us to bid £2m for Cundle . Tension now follows. It translates to the players . Oxford happens . Walters fired the gun . Walters is the problem. Who knows if my theory is right but you can piece some of the jigsaw together Personally I think we have a much better player in Moran than Cundle. But for some crazy reason Gooch as played in his place  Moran was meant to have come back from international duty carrying a knock. It was always the case that if you want to play a specialist AM type whatever title you want to put on them you need at least two of them in your squad. Hence the confusion why when we signed Moran people saying we no longer need Cundle. It's akin to only having one goalkeeper in your squad. |
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 16, 2024 9:54:36 GMT
It makes zero fuckin difference who the replacement is When will the penny drop with people The day that the Coates family are finally removed from this club can't come soon enough. |
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Post by stantheman on Sept 16, 2024 9:54:39 GMT
He was always too much of a risk due to lack of managerial experience. A Nathan Jones mark 2. Plymouth and Luton are all well and good, but our cluster fuck of a Club is a different entity.
The worry is that all of his backroom Staff have gone. Wasn't one of the Coaches close to Tom Cannon?
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Post by LphPotter on Sept 16, 2024 9:54:48 GMT
Absolutely pathetic decision
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Post by spitshaw on Sept 16, 2024 9:54:52 GMT
Someone on the twitter spaces thing with Rob Adcock who apparently has contacts inside the club implied that the staff and players that he's heard from are unanimously happy with the decision. Intriguing
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 16, 2024 9:54:59 GMT
The more I think about this, the poorer I think it reflects on us a club. I know we have to act and do what we think is best, but to poach a manager (using a fucking helicopter as a tool) from a rival club, to then unceremoniously dump him not even a year later, must just look utterly mental to the outside world. I bet he'll have plenty of nice things to say about us when asked. Surely coaches/managers are going to quickly tell us to piss off if they realise this is what we've become.
I don't really care about Schumacher and the sacking itself, more the reputation of the club. If we aren't in a relegation battle this season, I'll be amazed.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 16, 2024 9:55:20 GMT
Most of the top clubs are run like that. Of course they are. I can imagine Pep being told who his next targets are!! H Pretty much yeah 🤣 |
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Post by dobcool on Sept 16, 2024 9:55:25 GMT
I think he just couldn't handle his pookie Gooch getting a long term injury and quit on the spot in despair...
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 16, 2024 9:56:10 GMT
Actually just found some managerial odds.
The names in the betting are ridiculous.
Ruben Selles at 6/1 looks interesting.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 16, 2024 9:57:46 GMT
I've always been uninspired by Schumachers post match interviews, never appeared confident, always had the look and sound of a fortunate prize winner in the role. However the scouse accent was always delightful
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Post by mosquito on Sept 16, 2024 9:58:20 GMT
Personally I think we have a much better player in Moran than Cundle. But for some crazy reason Gooch as played in his place Moran was meant to have come back from international duty carrying a knock. It was always the case that if you want to play a specialist AM type whatever title you want to put on them you need at least two of them in your squad. Hence the confusion why when we signed Moran people saying we no longer need Cundle. It's akin to only having one goalkeeper in your squad. I have no problem in us signing Cundle aswell, I merely think Moran is a better player from what I have seen of him so far. |
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Post by bertiestan on Sept 16, 2024 9:58:26 GMT
Disappointed, sad and shocked by this…we’ve gone from being a club with very highly regarded owners to this, you can see what he was trying to implicate with the squad and the direction he wanted to take the squad, him and his staff have been badly let down whichever way you look at it🔴⚪️ Can you see that? Cos I couldn’t. Did we improve under him when he replaced Neil? Do we look like we have a style and pattern of play? Does he sound convincing and like he knows what he’s doing when he’s interviewed? Were you taken in by his happy go lucky scouser approach? We improved slightly and avoided relegation, I can definitely see what he was trying to do with the squad and yes I believe we do have a style n patterns of play…n no I wasn’t taking in by his go lucky scouser approach, just think he’s a very good young coach with a bright future who was definitely worth persevering with🤷♂️, just my opinion though mate🔴⚪️ |
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Post by george2again on Sept 16, 2024 9:58:53 GMT
Batshit decision! Hold on to ultra wank managers until the bitter end but lose away to Oxford and Ciao baby! Utter fucking madness. Billy Smarts Circus H Someone has to have become available of late. Holmes comments are worrying though. Perhaps Walters has been over thinking it as well as SS. Have to say SS has looked very inexperienced at times and Saturday did him no favours at all. |
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Post by RAF on Sept 16, 2024 9:59:12 GMT
Of course they are. I can imagine Pep being told who his next targets are!! H Pretty much yeah 🤣 Hahaha, no Manager/Head Coach worth his salt would put up with that shit!! H |
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Post by pistol on Sept 16, 2024 9:59:38 GMT
After listening to his post match interview where he kept saying "I don't know why we played that way" The board probably thought the same as me you haven't a clue how to change things, good riddance to was to far out of his depth In any line of work, if you utter that phrase like that when questioned about something gone awry, especially in public, you'd be gone. When I heard this on Saturday I was fuming and it’s not the first time he’s said it after a defeat. |
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Post by figo85 on Sept 16, 2024 9:59:52 GMT
Surely we’ve got to throw money at this one. We’ve tried experienced championship, we’ve tried up and coming we now need an established manager with some recent credentials
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Sept 16, 2024 10:00:12 GMT
He was always too much of a risk due to lack of managerial experience. A Nathan Jones mark 2. Plymouth and Luton are all well and good, but our cluster fuck of a Club is a different entity. The worry is that all of his backroom Staff have gone. Wasn't one of the Coaches close to Tom Cannon? Calling Schumacher "Nathan Jones mark 2" is just daft. Schumacher won the same amount of games as Jones in less than half the time. Schumacher had a win percentage of 40.63% which makes him the 9th most successful manager in our history (excluding caretakers) based on that metric. That puts him higher than MON, Pulis and Waddington (which shocked me!). In comparison, Jones had a win percentage of 15.79%, he's in the realms of Lambert and Kamara with that percentage. The comparison to Jones starts, and ends, at his age. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 16, 2024 10:00:37 GMT
Must have been some sort of massive bust up after full time on Saturday!! Or before, explaining the completely inept performance? |
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Post by Ron on Sept 16, 2024 10:01:19 GMT
Even I think this is a mad decision and i have been critical of SS at times. You can't ( as with MON) let a manager build his team then sack him after a shit performance without him having had chance to get his team flowing how he wants them!!! I do wonder if something had brewed - the performance Saturday was lacklusture. He hasn’t built the team though. Walters has. I'm not having that he wasn't involved in signing some of them. Course he was. None of us know know tbf. In nay event- this - IMO - the single biggest appointment we've had to make since we came down. Going balls deep and sacking him early is bold - they'd better have someone good lined up. |
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Post by mcw on Sept 16, 2024 10:02:32 GMT
Schumacher is literally the head coach. He’s there to coach. The transfers and squad building is led by the technical director. It’s really not difficult. It's obviously too difficult for JC and Stoke. The structure is meant to work when all parties are locked into a single vision and ethos not import their own. It appears Walters has been bought in to implement his own vision and it is dominant over all else. It's a GOD manager with a different title. This is what we are about to find out. We've spent the last 2/3 years trying to move to this model and basically screwed it up at every turn. In order for it to work you need the DoF and recruitment team to have a plan and then select the right head coach to work with for what they are bringing in. From soundbites over that period every single manager/head coach we have brought in has tried to have some say in the recruitment process with varying degrees of success (i.e. them able to get their way). This model only works if the head coach is completely subservient to the DoF/recruitment team in all aspects related to players in/out, if they don't like it then off you go apparently.. |
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Post by flea79 on Sept 16, 2024 10:02:38 GMT
Percy has spoken, this will be done by 8pm tonight, anybody watching the helicopter on Flightradar yet?
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Post by blooter on Sept 16, 2024 10:03:48 GMT
He has no idea how to defend. Obviously a big fallout behind closed doors. Shame but better now than when we are back in our usual position miles away from the playoffs.
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Post by noustie on Sept 16, 2024 10:04:23 GMT
He was always too much of a risk due to lack of managerial experience. A Nathan Jones mark 2. Plymouth and Luton are all well and good, but our cluster fuck of a Club is a different entity. The worry is that all of his backroom Staff have gone. Wasn't one of the Coaches close to Tom Cannon? Calling Schumacher "Nathan Jones mark 2" is just daft. Schumacher won the same amount of games as Jones in less than half the time. Schumacher had a win percentage of 40.63% which makes him the 9th most successful manager in our history (excluding caretakers) based on that metric. That puts him higher than MON, Pulis and Waddington (which shocked me!). In comparison, Jones had a win percentage of 15.79%, he's in the realms of Lambert and Kamara with that percentage. The comparison to Jones starts, and ends, at his age. But in the XG league table Jones was fucking mint  |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 16, 2024 10:04:28 GMT
Must have been some sort of massive bust up after full time on Saturday!! Or before, explaining the completely inept performance? I must admit when watching the game on Saturday there was something not right. I wouldn't be surprised if the players had got wind of something before the game - the performance just seemed so flat. |
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Post by aloha63 on Sept 16, 2024 10:04:37 GMT
WTF - this is a ridiculous decision
we should've given him much more of a chance
This entire clusterfuck begs the bigger question :
Why did Stoke ever recruit Steve in the first place ? ?
Football can be very brutal, I just feel embarrassed at my club sacking such a decent man as Steve.
I really hope he can go on to manage a decent club and show us what we missed out on. I genuinely appalled.
Message to Fish, please pass on all Best Wishes to Steve .. there are many of us in shock, he deserved better.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 16, 2024 10:05:09 GMT
He hasn’t built the team though. Walters has. I'm not having that he wasn't involved in signing some of them. Course he was. None of us know know tbf. In nay event- this - IMO - the single biggest appointment we've had to make since we came down. Going balls deep and sacking him early is bold - they'd better have someone good lined up. He will have been involved for sure but it’s led by Walters and I think that is obvious. I really didn’t like Schumacher though and thought he was awful so I’m not arsed there. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 16, 2024 10:05:22 GMT
Can’t say I’m surprised. Results have been poor with some dreadful performances This has nothing to do with results. The teams we have lost to are top, 5th and 7th. You can't expect a squad with so many newcomers and young players to gel in 5 matches and for some players one match. There have been promising signs especially v Middlesbrough. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 16, 2024 10:05:24 GMT
Must have been some sort of massive bust up after full time on Saturday!! Or before, explaining the completely inept performance? Could be mate...could be. |
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Post by skip on Sept 16, 2024 10:05:46 GMT
He hasn’t built the team though. Walters has. I'm not having that he wasn't involved in signing some of them. Course he was. None of us know know tbf. In nay event- this - IMO - the single biggest appointment we've had to make since we came down. Going balls deep and sacking him early is bold - they'd better have someone good lined up. Is Narcis Pélach good? Like, really really good? We'll soon find out! |
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Post by Pricey on Sept 16, 2024 10:06:00 GMT
That's three seasons in a row we've sacked a manager before Christmas, and two of them after the first few games of the season.
Rowett lasted 5 months of 18/19
Jones lasted 4 months of 18/19 and 3 months of 19/20
O'Neill lasted more than 2 1/2 seasons from 19/20 until just after the start of 21/22 and gave us stability, especially considering the financial situation
Neil lasted over a year but was sacked too late if anything, in December of the 22/23 season
Schumacher lasted 5 months of 22/23 and a month of 23/24
During all of that time we've finished between 14th and 17th and have made zero progress despite sacking 5 managers and overhauling the playing squad 3 times at least. What a club.
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