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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 16, 2024 9:42:43 GMT
Schumacher is literally the head coach. He’s there to coach. The transfers and squad building is led by the technical director. It’s really not difficult. Yeah righto, Triggy and Ziggy will probably agree with you. H Why is it so difficult to understand? Walters since he got here has been in charge and it’s been really obvious. He signs the players and has created this squad for a coach to coach. Look at the statement from today. It’s something you’d expect from the owner but it’s Walters doing it. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 16, 2024 9:42:49 GMT
Setting aside the personalities there is an inevitability about this given how we went from god manager to DoF. The way it should have been done was:
1 Sack god manager (Neil)
2 Define job spec for DoF
3 Appoint DoF
4 DoF defines HC job spec
3 Appoint HC to DoF's job spec for HC
What we did:
1 Let god manager (Neil) define job spec for DoF (WTAF?)
2 Sack HC
3 Appoint HC (Schumacher)
4 Sack Dof
5 Appoint new DoF (Walters)
6 Change DoF job spec
7 Sack HC
To a large extent Schumacher is the victim of a ridiculous restructuring process - everything about the way we went from god manager to DoF/HC was wrong. From a purely procedural perspective the DoF clearing the decks, defining what they want from the HC role and appointing someone who fits the spec is the right way of doing things. Let's just hope that after fucking it up we are finally going about it the right way and get the right man in for the job.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 16, 2024 9:43:32 GMT
Decent English.
He was Huddersfield caretaker when we battered them just before Warnock took over
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Post by baconburger on Sept 16, 2024 9:43:40 GMT
You keep banging this drum with absolutely no fucking evidence whatsoever! If Walters was building the team we'd have centre halves playing fullback and lumping it up to a bloke who misses penalties for fun! H Schumacher is literally the head coach. He’s there to coach. The transfers and squad building is led by the technical director. It’s really not difficult. |
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Post by canadianmoose on Sept 16, 2024 9:44:18 GMT
I thought SS interview at the weekend sounded like a man with no ideas left and honestly, like he’d given up.
How can you say “I don’t know” to questions about the performance level?
He’s the coach. It didn’t sound good.
I’m shocked with this decision yet not surprised
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Post by dexter97 on Sept 16, 2024 9:44:32 GMT
Even I think this is a mad decision and i have been critical of SS at times. You can't ( as with MON) let a manager build his team then sack him after a shit performance without him having had chance to get his team flowing how he wants them!!! I do wonder if something had brewed - the performance Saturday was lacklusture. Is it SS's team though? I've no idea how much involvement he had in recruitment (although I suppose Ennis & Cundle indicate that he must have had some say). People refer to him as the (ex) manager, but that was never his title. He was Head Coach, and I don't think it's just semantics. I think his role in building the squad will have been limited. |
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 16, 2024 9:45:07 GMT
WTF, hes hardly been given a chance. Absolute disgrace, may be it's Walters that should be gone.
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Post by milton58 on Sept 16, 2024 9:46:25 GMT
We've won seven out of our last ten games..how many other clubs would give there manager the bullet
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Post by northernstokie on Sept 16, 2024 9:46:27 GMT
Things could go south very quickly if it's a manager with little experience. The currently bit indicates he has managed before though Think you might need to take a look at where the comma is placed. The one FM put on said not currently. |
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Post by dobcool on Sept 16, 2024 9:47:03 GMT
It's interesting that sources are saying that the decision has "gone down well" at Stoke...
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Post by monsoonmoon on Sept 16, 2024 9:47:32 GMT
Ridiculous timing. I liked Schumacher, I’ve seen things which encouraged me. But even if you’ve got a difference of opinion on that then you’ve got to admit the timing is crackers.
Pre-season is so valuable to get players working on tactical stuff and to start to embed a style.
Much like when MON got the boot, it feels like we’ve just written a season off in September.
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Post by robrigo on Sept 16, 2024 9:47:45 GMT
Well, well, well. Another day supporting Stoke City and this news is right up there with the best.
I opened the oatcake and even missed the thread at the top of the page but what a truly unbelievable decision. Why the heck did we not do it in the summer? Season after season we chase our tails, bring in a whole new coaching team and start again.
I’m saddened that this has happened but will keep my powder dry and see who we bring in. Jon Walters has put his bollocks right on the chopping block with this one.
Tune in tomorrow for another episode in the soap opera that is Stoke City! Fuck me!
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 16, 2024 9:47:45 GMT
Yeah righto, Triggy and Ziggy will probably agree with you. H Why is it so difficult to understand? Walters since he got here has been in charge and it’s been really obvious. He signs the players and has created this squad for a coach to coach. Look at the statement from today. It’s something you’d expect from the owner but it’s Walters doing it. You're right mostly. Ste and Walters do need to agree on signings though, or at least, they did! We're in for a very bumpy ride now, that's for sure. |
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Post by mosquito on Sept 16, 2024 9:47:47 GMT
The more I think of it the more I’m convincing myself it’s a fall out between Cundle versus Lawal . SS wanted Cundle. Wolves wanted £4m . Clearly a non starter . But £2m ? Then Walters brings in Lawal - clearly his appointment. SS wouldn’t be happy about that particularly when they find stress fracture. They don’t pull out of the deal . Walters railroads it through. Even Lawal when interviewed said Walters gave him assurances. So my bet is SS objected. Wanted us to bid £2m for Cundle . Tension now follows. It translates to the players . Oxford happens . Walters fired the gun . Walters is the problem. Who knows if my theory is right but you can piece some of the jigsaw together Personally I think we have a much better player in Moran than Cundle. But for some crazy reason Gooch as played in his place  |
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Post by RAF on Sept 16, 2024 9:47:52 GMT
Yeah righto, Triggy and Ziggy will probably agree with you. H Why is it so difficult to understand? Walters since he got here has been in charge and it’s been really obvious. He signs the players and has created this squad for a coach to coach. Look at the statement from today. It’s something you’d expect from the owner but it’s Walters doing it. It's difficult to understand why anyone would sign up for a job with literally no control over players that are brought in, it literally hasn't worked at any club that have tried it ever!! Walters knows this very well having played under the biggest control freak known to man. H |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 16, 2024 9:47:57 GMT
You keep banging this drum with absolutely no fucking evidence whatsoever! If Walters was building the team we'd have centre halves playing fullback and lumping it up to a bloke who misses penalties for fun! H Schumacher is literally the head coach. He’s there to coach. The transfers and squad building is led by the technical director. It’s really not difficult. It's obviously too difficult for JC and Stoke. The structure is meant to work when all parties are locked into a single vision and ethos not import their own. It appears Walters has been bought in to implement his own vision and it is dominant over all else. It's a GOD manager with a different title. |
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Post by willieeetmiout on Sept 16, 2024 9:48:39 GMT
Batshit decision! Hold on to ultra wank managers until the bitter end but lose away to Oxford and Ciao baby! Utter fucking madness. Billy Smarts Circus H Didn't just lose to Oxford though did we? We were toss against West Brom, toss against Watford and average against Coventry. Our best performance was against Plymouth but that quite easily could have ended a draw as a much as we created chances so did they. All in all its been a pretty shit start. |
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Post by serpico on Sept 16, 2024 9:48:56 GMT
I wasn’t convinced by him from day one but pretty shocked they sacked him already! 😳
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 16, 2024 9:49:33 GMT
Why is it so difficult to understand? Walters since he got here has been in charge and it’s been really obvious. He signs the players and has created this squad for a coach to coach. Look at the statement from today. It’s something you’d expect from the owner but it’s Walters doing it. It's difficult to understand why anyone would sign up for a job with literally no control over players that are brought in, it literally hasn't worked at any club that have tried it ever!! Walters knows this very well having played under the biggest control freak known to man. H Most of the top clubs are run like that. |
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Post by silverdollar on Sept 16, 2024 9:50:24 GMT
Like many others I'm shocked! As I see it there are a number of reasons why this has happened and by the end of the day perhaps we will know a bit more. Thank you Schumaker! I loved the way you showed our potential by giving youth a chance. We do have the makings of a good side. There was certainly a transparent lethargy on Saturday especially with Juhno and Burger and I'm sure Koumas and Cannon would have been very unhappy.
I hope this episode doesn't appear to be a power struggle between Walters and Schumacher. I will listen to news with great interest!
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 16, 2024 9:50:29 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 16, 2024 9:50:49 GMT
Schumacher is literally the head coach. He’s there to coach. The transfers and squad building is led by the technical director. It’s really not difficult. It's obviously too difficult for JC and Stoke. The structure is meant to work when all parties are locked into a single vision and ethos not import their own. It appears Walters has been bought in to implement his own vision and it is dominant over all else. It's a GOD manager with a different title. Agreed. But again this just goes back to the point I’ve been saying for however many years, the issue owns us. |
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Post by telfordstokie on Sept 16, 2024 9:50:50 GMT
From the outside this looks an unbelievably harsh and unmerited decision - I think we will regret this.
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Post by RAF on Sept 16, 2024 9:51:16 GMT
Batshit decision! Hold on to ultra wank managers until the bitter end but lose away to Oxford and Ciao baby! Utter fucking madness. Billy Smarts Circus H Didn't just lose to Oxford though did we? We were toss against West Brom, toss against Watford and average against Coventry. Our best performance was against Plymouth but that quite easily could have ended a draw as a much as we created chances so did they. All in all its been a pretty shit start. We were unlucky against West Brom and anyone could say if a team scored a goal then the result would have been different! 7 out of 10 games we have not lost. Batshit decision H |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 16, 2024 9:51:35 GMT
I wasn’t convinced by him from day one but pretty shocked they sacked him already! 😳 You’ve got to think we were looking to axe him at the end of last season before we went on that run, and possibly after the Plymouth game, before the int. break, if we don’t squeak that winner. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 16, 2024 9:51:57 GMT
Hilarious if it was Eustace.
Stockport boss would just be a jones mark 2.
Any managerial odds out yet?
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 16, 2024 9:52:15 GMT
Dave Challinor the Tranmere throw-in man? We could bring Rory back, too, and see Tchamadeu learn to chuck the ball in properly.
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Post by telfordstokie on Sept 16, 2024 9:52:26 GMT
If it is Eustace, we’ll have rejected him when he was out of work and keen for the job then poached him at massive expense a few months later after sacking the guy we chose instead. Classic Stoke. |
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Post by RAF on Sept 16, 2024 9:52:35 GMT
It's difficult to understand why anyone would sign up for a job with literally no control over players that are brought in, it literally hasn't worked at any club that have tried it ever!! Walters knows this very well having played under the biggest control freak known to man. H Most of the top clubs are run like that. Of course they are. I can imagine Pep being told who his next targets are!! H |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 16, 2024 9:53:16 GMT
I wanted Eustace when we got Schumacher but I’m not sure it makes sense now. Challinor would be a poor appointment, so a possibility you’d think. |
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