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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 15, 2024 7:18:31 GMT
Today didn't actually bother me. We will not get worse -- of that I'm certain. History suggests that’s not a safe assumption. 😉 |
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Sept 15, 2024 7:54:44 GMT
For me we have one stand out player at this level. Koumas If he doesn't play we are a 17-20th team. With him we are a 7-10th team. I do not believe we will get relegated so we are better than we were a month ago. Swapping out Laurent for Seko is a needless risk and I don't understand why we didn't bring in cundle. Two strange decisions for me. Classic stoke fan. Three good games and he's the best player in the division. Three bad games and he's League Two at best. I am not sure I follow. I fully believe he is one of the best 5 players in the league. We will do well to keep him beyond Jan.. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 15, 2024 7:55:43 GMT
I want our players turning up thinking they will win, top players and teams expect to win. You play any other way you play with fear, at the top of all sports there are people who turn up expecting to win, a bit of arrogance won't do us much harm. We just need to apply ourselves better
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Post by pmjh on Sept 15, 2024 8:31:38 GMT
If you're gonna say that after 5 games then you're part of the problem if you ask me. Its 5 games. 5 and we've won 2 of them... 5 and only a lucky home draw id be with you.. It’s the same pattern as last season. I’m part of the problem 🤣🤣🤣🤣 the Extrapolate that points per game over the season and where are we… If you'd extrapolated it last week we'd have been top 10 and even play offs some seasons . It can change week by week at this stage of the season. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 15, 2024 8:43:01 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0jqmfcmQuite a fair appraisal from Radio Stoke on here. I thought the shambolic last hour at Watford would take some beating, but we somehow managed it yesterday. 10 touches of the ball for Tom Cannon pretty much sums it up.
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Post by stokesupporter on Sept 15, 2024 8:53:42 GMT
We seem to go over the top with everything nowadays. Last season we brought loads of foreing players at once and this year we have robbed a kindergarten. There is a thing called the middle ground and I think we should try it next time.
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 15, 2024 9:12:06 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0jqmfcmQuite a fair appraisal from Radio Stoke on here. I thought the shambolic last hour at Watford would take some beating, but we somehow managed it yesterday. 10 touches of the ball for Tom Cannon pretty much sums it up. I can't stand listening to that Lucas, far too up his own backside. Potterlytics is a horrible piece of work too from what I've been told, so I'll pass on this occasion. The one they did last season was loads better. |
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 15, 2024 9:14:49 GMT
SS needs pick our best XI now. No more of this tinkering crap. It's not working.
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Post by MilanStokie on Sept 15, 2024 9:36:46 GMT
I am sick of our managers constantly setting up to stifle what the opposition do/will do. AN did it, MON used to do it and now SS is doing it. It's Oxford United.... without discrediting them, we don't need to be adapting our game plan to stifle them. For the majority of our games, we should be setting up to play to OUR strengths.
Gooch should have been nowhere near the team yesterday. Phillips should have started and so should Koumas. Thompson and Ennis shouldn't be coming off the bench when we are chasing a game. It stinks of Plan A being to stop the opposition and Plan B being throw everything forward with no coherence.
I remain completely unconvinced with SS, I just don't see him being the right person to move us where we want to be. Like Jones, is living off his lower league promotions, and will eventually end up back in League 1. I do hope I am wrong but evidence thus far, other than a purple patch at the end of last season, is pointing towards it happening.
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Post by idle on Sept 15, 2024 9:39:41 GMT
Classic stoke fan. Three good games and he's the best player in the division. Three bad games and he's League Two at best. I am not sure I follow. I fully believe he is one of the best 5 players in the league. We will do well to keep him beyond Jan.. We've seen him for less than 3 games so far. Don't get me wrong, I like the look of him, but let's not make him a superstar after 3 games. Where he looked good in two. Remember Vidigal? |
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Sept 15, 2024 9:46:27 GMT
I am not sure I follow. I fully believe he is one of the best 5 players in the league. We will do well to keep him beyond Jan.. We've seen him for less than 3 games so far. Don't get me wrong, I like the look of him, but let's not make him a superstar after 3 games. Where he looked good in two. Remember Vidigal? Ok, everything tells me he is a good one, a class above anything I have seen at stoke for a long while. But he is young so there is some risk there. |
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Post by skip on Sept 15, 2024 9:54:40 GMT
I want our players turning up thinking they will win, top players and teams expect to win. You play any other way you play with fear, at the top of all sports there are people who turn up expecting to win, a bit of arrogance won't do us much harm. We just need to apply ourselves better They should turn up wanting to win, having been prepared to battle, to out think and out play the opposition, the manager to out think the opposing manager. 'Thinking' they will win is massively counter productive. We are seeing it every single season. It's only Oxford. It's only Reading. It's only Barnsley, and the opposite is also in evidence when we play away at Ipswich, Leicester, West Brom, and then the mindset switches to reducing the likelihood of a defeat. The problem is Stoke City thinks it is better than it is, or paradoxically, worse than it is. The club - from Coates down, needs a reality check. Stop harping on about tradition and 1863, stop harping on about a decade in the Premier League, and start playing games as they are in reality, nil nil at kick off and equal likelihood of winning or losing. We are way too wrapped up in its history and future potential. There will be no potential of promotion until we set up to win every game and stop giving a damn about the size of the opposing club, be that Oxford (car park for an away end), or say Watford (promotion contenders). |
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Post by senojbor on Sept 15, 2024 10:01:23 GMT
So Watford and WBA aren't decent? Who do you class as decent? watford aren’t no , u sure about wba tbh , their fans would look at us and say decent This is a big problem. Some supporters lack the basic understanding of other clubs To simply say every team we come up against are shit is cringeworthy They want to win the game just as much as us. Watford are very decent, probably finish in the playoffs We have no divine right to win against anyone |
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 15, 2024 10:52:02 GMT
I want our players turning up thinking they will win, top players and teams expect to win. You play any other way you play with fear, at the top of all sports there are people who turn up expecting to win, a bit of arrogance won't do us much harm. We just need to apply ourselves better They should turn up wanting to win, having been prepared to battle, to out think and out play the opposition, the manager to out think the opposing manager. 'Thinking' they will win is massively counter productive. We are seeing it every single season. It's only Oxford. It's only Reading. It's only Barnsley, and the opposite is also in evidence when we play away at Ipswich, Leicester, West Brom, and then the mindset switches to reducing the likelihood of a defeat. The problem is Stoke City thinks it is better than it is, or paradoxically, worse than it is. The club - from Coates down, needs a reality check. Stop harping on about tradition and 1863, stop harping on about a decade in the Premier League, and start playing games as they are in reality, nil nil at kick off and equal likelihood of winning or losing. We are way too wrapped up in its history and future potential. There will be no potential of promotion until we set up to win every game and stop giving a damn about the size of the opposing club, be that Oxford (car park for an away end), or say Watford (promotion contenders). History is exactly that History. Players have to write their own story, fans are more wrapped up in our history than the players I'd imagine. I want our players turning up thinking they will win and driven to accept nothing but a win. Everyone wants to win just turning up just wanting to win isn't enough, top level sports people don't turn up to matches just wanting to win they turn up TO win and they scaled themselves when they don't. Our players should look at every team exactly the same, they are just another team in our way. Winning is about being ruthless, giving everything and embarrassing your opponents to a degree. You want to break your opponents, you want them to fear you, they need to know you are relentless and will never stop. You have to build a reputation that sticks with you. When people or teams fear you they make mistakes. Just wanting to win is what mediocre people do |
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Post by ceejays on Sept 15, 2024 11:04:16 GMT
I am sick of our managers constantly setting up to stifle what the opposition do/will do. AN did it, MON used to do it and now SS is doing it. It's Oxford United.... without discrediting them, we don't need to be adapting our game plan to stifle them. For the majority of our games, we should be setting up to play to OUR strengths. Gooch should have been nowhere near the team yesterday. Phillips should have started and so should Koumas. Thompson and Ennis shouldn't be coming off the bench when we are chasing a game. It stinks of Plan A being to stop the opposition and Plan B being throw everything forward with no coherence. I remain completely unconvinced with SS, I just don't see him being the right person to move us where we want to be. Like Jones, is living off his lower league promotions, and will eventually end up back in League 1. I do hope I am wrong but evidence thus far, other than a purple patch at the end of last season, is pointing towards it happening. Absolutely spot on . Somejone needs to contact fishloves ( cousin to SS) and relay the message STOP OVERTHINKING. He said he was going to play high risk attacking football but in reality he’s AN in disguise . Just a nicer person version . After every match he mentions the pre match analysis. THREE GOALS IN FIVE MATCHES is not a good advert for his supposed way of playing. He’s filling the players heads with meaningless tactics . Junho looks confused . We’ve had Watford WBA now Oxford and the second half against Coventry. That’s 4 matches where our formation is questionable. Do as Milan says it’s the championship not the champions league FGS |
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Post by MilanStokie on Sept 15, 2024 11:50:18 GMT
I am sick of our managers constantly setting up to stifle what the opposition do/will do. AN did it, MON used to do it and now SS is doing it. It's Oxford United.... without discrediting them, we don't need to be adapting our game plan to stifle them. For the majority of our games, we should be setting up to play to OUR strengths. Gooch should have been nowhere near the team yesterday. Phillips should have started and so should Koumas. Thompson and Ennis shouldn't be coming off the bench when we are chasing a game. It stinks of Plan A being to stop the opposition and Plan B being throw everything forward with no coherence. I remain completely unconvinced with SS, I just don't see him being the right person to move us where we want to be. Like Jones, is living off his lower league promotions, and will eventually end up back in League 1. I do hope I am wrong but evidence thus far, other than a purple patch at the end of last season, is pointing towards it happening. Absolutely spot on . Somejone needs to contact fishloves ( cousin to SS) and relay the message STOP OVERTHINKING. He said he was going to play high risk attacking football but in reality he’s AN in disguise . Just a nicer person version . After every match he mentions the pre match analysis. THREE GOALS IN FIVE MATCHES is not a good advert for his supposed way of playing. He’s filling the players heads with meaningless tactics . Junho looks confused . We’ve had Watford WBA now Oxford and the second half against Coventry. That’s 4 matches where our formation is questionable. Do as Milan says it’s the championship not the champions league FGS To add to this, there are only a handful of teams who set up to stifle us. The rest of the league play their game, in their formation they enjoy and their best lineup available. Oxford in the first half set up clearly to be cautious and their manager recognised that we were no danger whatsoever and attacked in the 2nd half. We could have lost that 3 or 4-0 yesterday and they would have deserved it. Leeds, Watford, Burnley away? Yeah, be cautious and tactics that can stop them, but Oxford and Plymouth? Please. As others have said, no one has the divine right to win any game, that isn't the point though, other than a few top teams in this division where being cautious is necessary, especially away from home, we should fear no team where we set up to stop their plan rather than be committed fully with our own plan. |
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Post by andromeda on Sept 15, 2024 11:55:43 GMT
Still a young squad with some players to come in. Terrible performance but still early days and we will take time to gel.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Sept 15, 2024 12:31:48 GMT
There’s going to be ups and downs and today doesn’t have to represent our season. I think part of the problem today was that the expectations were really high after Plymouth and today bought that hope down with a big bump. We were awful today but I think there’s been a fair amount of over reaction. The Championships such a strange division with any team capable of beating each other as Plymouth showed today. I don’t think Oxford are any great shakes but they’re certainly not whipping boys and bought well in the window particularly with Dembele. There results have been decent so far so we shouldn’t be so surprised with the result. Things do need to change but it only needs to be a little bit of tinkering. For me the biggest concern is CM where he still doesn’t seem to have sussed out his best line up. For me we’re desperately missing an old head in the middle of the park like a Barry Bannon type as we’re way to passive and we don’t have someone who’ll drag us up when heads are down. Until Lawal is fit Id bring Thompson back in. Even though he’s not the best he’s got some experience. We’ve got a cracking front 3 but they were feeding on scraps. Next week I’d go with Thompson, Moran and Burger or Sidibe. Hopefully we’ve learnt some lessons today. Biggest one being not to start Gooch. Don't think expecting us to win let alone play well v Oxford United is having really high expectations. We should be beating these teams and bearing them well. Not to make their keeper make a single save is not acceptable |
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 15, 2024 13:16:04 GMT
I'm slightly concerned that we're relying on "Jam tomorrow" players, we keep mentioning Gallagher and Bosun, I've not seen them yet. However the games are ticking away, plus they need to get up to speed with any system and fellow team mates in a competitive environment. When will they be ready November? Who knows?
We seem to get tictacs wrong again yesterday. We needed an old head in the middle, not a teenager and Thompson should have started. Playing Gooch in yet another role was a mistake, and a basic one. The manager needs to flush these silly managerial mistakes out of the system.
We're nowhere near where we need to be and Oxford easily saw out their game plan. Too much huff and puff (again!!) from Stoke and really very slow in getting the ball forward.
Work to be done...
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 15, 2024 13:39:22 GMT
I want our players turning up thinking they will win, top players and teams expect to win. You play any other way you play with fear, at the top of all sports there are people who turn up expecting to win, a bit of arrogance won't do us much harm. We just need to apply ourselves better That's completely the wrong way round. The best teams have a swagger because time and again they have earned the right to swagger. You don't win games by adopting a swagger you haven't earned - you just look like a knob. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 15, 2024 13:51:42 GMT
There’s going to be ups and downs and today doesn’t have to represent our season. I think part of the problem today was that the expectations were really high after Plymouth and today bought that hope down with a big bump. We were awful today but I think there’s been a fair amount of over reaction. The Championships such a strange division with any team capable of beating each other as Plymouth showed today. I don’t think Oxford are any great shakes but they’re certainly not whipping boys and bought well in the window particularly with Dembele. There results have been decent so far so we shouldn’t be so surprised with the result. Things do need to change but it only needs to be a little bit of tinkering. For me the biggest concern is CM where he still doesn’t seem to have sussed out his best line up. For me we’re desperately missing an old head in the middle of the park like a Barry Bannon type as we’re way to passive and we don’t have someone who’ll drag us up when heads are down. Until Lawal is fit Id bring Thompson back in. Even though he’s not the best he’s got some experience. We’ve got a cracking front 3 but they were feeding on scraps. Next week I’d go with Thompson, Moran and Burger or Sidibe. Hopefully we’ve learnt some lessons today. Biggest one being not to start Gooch. I admire your optimism but can’t share it. On expected goals, not perfect of course but does provide insight, we have two second worst attacking record and the third worse defensive measure. We could easily have lost all 5 games and in the 3 we did lose, our substitutions suggested a complete lack of insight. We seem to resort very quickly to a Hail Mary policy if his chucking more attacking players in with no sign we are trying to change the shape or flow of the game. We have a right back way out of his depth, who was clearly targeted yesterday and responded by getting into nightingale battles with the opposition, a completely dysfunctional midfield and no obvious plan of attack. In every game when teams decide to attack and press us rather than sitting off, we have no answer. When we concede we fall apart for ten minutes. Oxford were bang average yet comfortably outplayed us. I really want SS to be the manager who changes us but there is little evidence so far. At this stage, the rational position is more worried than optimistic. |
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Post by skip on Sept 15, 2024 19:09:38 GMT
They should turn up wanting to win, having been prepared to battle, to out think and out play the opposition, the manager to out think the opposing manager. 'Thinking' they will win is massively counter productive. We are seeing it every single season. It's only Oxford. It's only Reading. It's only Barnsley, and the opposite is also in evidence when we play away at Ipswich, Leicester, West Brom, and then the mindset switches to reducing the likelihood of a defeat. The problem is Stoke City thinks it is better than it is, or paradoxically, worse than it is. The club - from Coates down, needs a reality check. Stop harping on about tradition and 1863, stop harping on about a decade in the Premier League, and start playing games as they are in reality, nil nil at kick off and equal likelihood of winning or losing. We are way too wrapped up in its history and future potential. There will be no potential of promotion until we set up to win every game and stop giving a damn about the size of the opposing club, be that Oxford (car park for an away end), or say Watford (promotion contenders). History is exactly that History. Players have to write their own story, fans are more wrapped up in our history than the players I'd imagine. I want our players turning up thinking they will win and driven to accept nothing but a win. Everyone wants to win just turning up just wanting to win isn't enough, top level sports people don't turn up to matches just wanting to win they turn up TO win and they scaled themselves when they don't. Our players should look at every team exactly the same, they are just another team in our way. Winning is about being ruthless, giving everything and embarrassing your opponents to a degree. You want to break your opponents, you want them to fear you, they need to know you are relentless and will never stop. You have to build a reputation that sticks with you. When people or teams fear you they make mistakes. Just wanting to win is what mediocre people do But expecting to win because 'they're only Oxford' is complacent at best, arrogant at worst, not a winning mentality. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 15, 2024 22:10:15 GMT
4 changes after a win is a bit ridiculous in truth.
We are still nowhere near a settled side and if there a calls to say “Thompson must start” you know the team is in desperate trouble already.
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Post by LphPotter on Sept 15, 2024 22:17:00 GMT
By saying its a shambles after 5 league games. That's how. we’ve played no one decent though ,so it’s sort of is We’ve played Coventry who were fancied to get in the top 6 and still could. West Brom who are top of the league and unbeaten, Watford who are 5th and Oxford who have won 3/3 at home. Plymouth are the only poor side we’ve played and they’ve just beat Sunderland who had won 4/4 previously. Yes we were poor against Oxford but it’s massively overreacting to say that it’s a ‘shambles’. We’ve got some very winnable fixtures coming up, especially at home, so we will know a lot more then. |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 16, 2024 1:57:42 GMT
watford aren’t no , u sure about wba tbh , their fans would look at us and say decent This is a big problem. Some supporters lack the basic understanding of other clubs To simply say every team we come up against are shit is cringeworthy It’s not cringeworthy, it’s true. They are all shit. We just generally conspire to be shitter |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 16, 2024 5:54:41 GMT
It’s pretty clear to me that this manager is more concerned with what he thinks other teams will do, than understanding what we should be doing. I think this is lazy, easy option coaching that is meant to look more sophisticated and detailed on the outside. Neil was the same. Tried to convince us all he was the clever one.
There is no other explanation for the inclusion of Gooch. You wouldn’t build any aggressive style of play with him in it. He’s a negative choice. He needs to learn quickly. He doesn’t look like he knows what to do with the options he’s got at the moment.
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