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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 1, 2024 20:02:14 GMT
Have we got one?
Junior at RB
Bocat at LB
Is that it for viable full backs?
Did Stevens deserve another a year with the way he finished the season? hardly played a game for the 2 years prior to being brought in here and now 34
Gooch could do a job on either side, viable though?
Another poor window for me - re our defence - couple of injuries in what is the most physical part of the pitch and we are back to playing square pegs, for the umpteenth year.
Our best pairing in central defence arguably a teenager and a 30+
Do we do defence at this club anymore? 6 strikers and 1 right-back - doesn't make sense to me.
Thought SJW would sort this out
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2024 20:13:32 GMT
I’m not sure what people were expecting re a right back.
Junior needs to be given the game time to improve.
Gooch is fine as back up.
And there’s Dixon too.
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Post by karl on Sept 1, 2024 20:15:46 GMT
Thompson can play at LB and Seko can also play at RB. Gooch can play either but think he is better on the right.
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Post by lordb on Sept 1, 2024 20:22:50 GMT
RB: Junior
Them a bunch of players who are not really right backs: Gooch,Seko, Wilmot and Lawal,Dixon
Not sure what order tbh
LB: Bocat, Stevens, Gooch, Thompson, Junior
If playing wing backs then some others come into it
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 1, 2024 21:20:31 GMT
I’m not sure what people were expecting re a right back. Junior needs to be given the game time to improve. Gooch is fine as back up. And there’s Dixon too. Agreed Junior needs to be given game time, but personally would have brought somebody in more senior and proven - and then either made sure Junior got some games or loaned him out. There are 50+ games in a season so plenty of opportunities for 2 players to cover 1 position and also useful for a manager to have at least 2 genuine options in each position so he can swap the team around depending on who the opposition is. For a team that has stated it wants to move forward and try and break into the top half, I would have expected a bit of genuine backup at left/right back. I know we were trying to sign Hoever, but we really should have had a plan B, C, D, E should we fail in signing him. Hopefully Junior comes good and stays away from injury and same for Bocat because, for me, if either struggle then the cover/options are poor - IF we want to move forward and not be in another struggle |
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 1, 2024 21:22:28 GMT
Thompson can play at LB and Seko can also play at RB. Gooch can play either but think he is better on the right. Not sure I want to see Thompson at LB again - and is that moving forward though? |
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Post by lordb on Sept 1, 2024 21:26:11 GMT
I’m not sure what people were expecting re a right back. Junior needs to be given the game time to improve. Gooch is fine as back up. And there’s Dixon too. Agreed Junior needs to be given game time, but personally would have brought somebody in more senior and proven - and then either made sure Junior got some games or loaned him out. There are 50+ games in a season so plenty of opportunities for 2 players to cover 1 position and also useful for a manager to have at least 2 genuine options in each position so he can swap the team around depending on who the opposition is. For a team that has stated it wants to move forward and try and break into the top half, I would have expected a bit of genuine backup at left/right back. I know we were trying to sign Hoever, but we really should have had a plan B, C, D, E should we fail in signing him. Hopefully Junior comes good and stays away from injury and same for Bocat because, for me, if either struggle then the cover/options are poor - IF we want to move forward and not be in another struggle We have two left backs and others who can play there that's fine, a third out and out left back would be OTT RB just the one however potentially Dixon or Lawal may alleviate the need for a second out and out RB I think it's a stretch to say because the RB cover options aren't necessarily perfect we will be in for a struggle |
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 1, 2024 21:29:50 GMT
RB: Junior Them a bunch of players who are not really right backs: Gooch,Seko, Wilmot and Lawal,Dixon Not sure what order tbh LB: Bocat, Stevens, Gooch, Thompson, Junior If playing wing backs then some others come into it Are we happy with that cover at LB, good enough to move us forward? And as you say for right-back we have Junior(young and inexperienced) and then a bunch of players who are not really right-backs - is this good enough for a club with ambition? |
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Post by lordb on Sept 1, 2024 21:34:32 GMT
RB: Junior Them a bunch of players who are not really right backs: Gooch,Seko, Wilmot and Lawal,Dixon Not sure what order tbh LB: Bocat, Stevens, Gooch, Thompson, Junior If playing wing backs then some others come into it Are we happy with that cover at LB, good enough to move us forward? And as you say for right-back we have Junior(young and inexperienced) and then a bunch of players who are not really right-backs - is this good enough for a club with ambition? It's not a big problem no Certainly not enough to put us in trouble As for ambition depends what you mean, if you mean ambition to trouble the top two, absolutely nowhere near that Trouble the top 6? Maybe but probably not Top 10 with more goals,more entertainment That's a massive improvement on the last 7 years |
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 1, 2024 23:51:11 GMT
If they are played as straight full backs- no fancy tactical innovations, just full backs- I think Junior and Bocat are fine.
Stevens is solid at LB, and Gooch is OK at RB.
Play a system that suits the abilities of the players; this season that’s a straight back four.
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 2, 2024 5:38:33 GMT
Junior and Bocat are first choices, Gooch and Stevens the back-ups.
Then there's Lawal, Dixon and Seko (apparently) who can fill in if needed.
Thompson can do an OK job at LB.
Whether we need more quality there is another issue (especially at RB). However, that's now an issue for another window.
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 2, 2024 6:37:58 GMT
Junior and Bocat are first choices, Gooch and Stevens the back-ups. Then there's Lawal, Dixon and Seko (apparently) who can fill in if needed. Thompson can do an OK job at LB. Whether we need more quality there is another issue (especially at RB). However, that's now an issue for another window. As long as Thompson isn't up against a pacey winger he's OK. If he is he's toast. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 2, 2024 6:55:20 GMT
I’m not sure what people were expecting re a right back. Junior needs to be given the game time to improve. Gooch is fine as back up. And there’s Dixon too. Agreed Junior needs to be given game time, but personally would have brought somebody in more senior and proven - and then either made sure Junior got some games or loaned him out. There are 50+ games in a season so plenty of opportunities for 2 players to cover 1 position and also useful for a manager to have at least 2 genuine options in each position so he can swap the team around depending on who the opposition is. For a team that has stated it wants to move forward and try and break into the top half, I would have expected a bit of genuine backup at left/right back. I know we were trying to sign Hoever, but we really should have had a plan B, C, D, E should we fail in signing him. Hopefully Junior comes good and stays away from injury and same for Bocat because, for me, if either struggle then the cover/options are poor - IF we want to move forward and not be in another struggle Gooch, the blokes a senior and proven right back. |
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Post by moon on Sept 2, 2024 7:10:37 GMT
Thompson can play at LB and Seko can also play at RB. Gooch can play either but think he is better on the right. Not sure I want to see Thompson at LB again - and is that moving forward though? Thompson would be 3rd choice at LB though after Bocat and Stevens, or possibly 4th choice after Gooch.
I think we'd only see him there if we had several injuries or suspensions, which is fine by me. It was an issue when he was playing there regularly though when everybody knew we were desperate for a LB in January.
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 2, 2024 7:12:47 GMT
I think people are massively under rating Bocat on here.
He’s been good every single game for me (bar Watford) but I don’t think Watford was necessarily his fault (tucking the FB in and conceding the wide areas).
He’s obviously no where near as good but reminds me of Abidal.
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Post by premieraj on Sept 2, 2024 7:12:54 GMT
Junior is raw defensively but I think we have to keep playing him whilst we work on that aspect of his game?
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Post by raythesailor on Sept 2, 2024 9:06:15 GMT
Genuine question.
When Wilmot first arrived did he not play a RB role ?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 2, 2024 9:12:55 GMT
I'd rather Dixon was next line for RB over Gooch. Tchamadeu needs to play and to be given confidence though, young players are inconsistent and the fans have to understand that.
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Post by stokefanone on Sept 2, 2024 9:49:10 GMT
Can’t see a problem at full back position
Junior needs time to grow into the role. Gets caught out of position and the odd rash challenge but more games will polish him up into a decent right back. He is strong and quick, must have assets, for a full back.
Bobcat is going to prove a great signing.
Gooch, Stevens, Dixon, seko and Thompson in an extreme situation.
I feel our squad is the best all round and balanced set of players we have had since the prem days.
Barring long term injury to key players, I see a promotion push this season.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 2, 2024 9:52:37 GMT
I think like a lot of positions you worry what would happen if the first choice players pick up a long term injury.
Probably more so at fullback than any other area across the pitch.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 2, 2024 9:52:42 GMT
Have we got one? Junior at RB Bocat at LB Is that it for viable full backs? Did Stevens deserve another a year with the way he finished the season? hardly played a game for the 2 years prior to being brought in here and now 34 Gooch could do a job on either side, viable though? Another poor window for me - re our defence - couple of injuries in what is the most physical part of the pitch and we are back to playing square pegs, for the umpteenth year. Our best pairing in central defence arguably a teenager and a 30+ Do we do defence at this club anymore? 6 strikers and 1 right-back - doesn't make sense to me. Thought SJW would sort this out Nonsense. Gooch and Stevens are good second choices, even first choice possibly in Stevens case. Thompson is another experienced option for left back. Dixon, Lawal and Seko have played full back as has Wilmot. We have some decent Championship cover in every single position. Should we get promoted we will need better and we might have to review in January should a promotion push look possible but the squad looks very rounded to me once everyone is fit. Ironically for me, considering how overloaded it looked last week, midfield is the area I see possibly being a problem if a player picks up a long term injury. |
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 2, 2024 9:55:05 GMT
Have we got one? Junior at RB Bocat at LB Is that it for viable full backs? Did Stevens deserve another a year with the way he finished the season? hardly played a game for the 2 years prior to being brought in here and now 34 Gooch could do a job on either side, viable though? Another poor window for me - re our defence - couple of injuries in what is the most physical part of the pitch and we are back to playing square pegs, for the umpteenth year. Our best pairing in central defence arguably a teenager and a 30+ Do we do defence at this club anymore? 6 strikers and 1 right-back - doesn't make sense to me. Thought SJW would sort this out Nonsense. Gooch and Stevens are good second choices, even first choice possibly in Stevens case. Thompson is another experienced option for left back. Dixon, Lawal and Seko have played full back as has Wilmot. We have some decent Championship cover in every single position. Should we get promoted we will need better and we might have to review in January should a promotion push look possible but the squad looks very rounded to me once everyone is fit. I’m not sure about promotion push. We’re still very naïve across the whole team. I do include the manager in that too, he’s a young manager with young players. So this is to be expected (defending super narrow and conceded wide areas, we seem to have sacrificed some high and physicality too. |
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Post by moon on Sept 2, 2024 10:32:18 GMT
Genuine question. When Wilmot first arrived did he not play a RB role ? I seem to remember him playing there when he had long hair; he scored that worldie; cut off his locks; and has since suffered the same fate as Samson after Delilah cut off his locks.
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 2, 2024 10:43:51 GMT
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if young Dixon takes over at right back as the season progresses. Nothing against Junior, but I get the feeling we’ve got a real talent on our hands in Dixon.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 2, 2024 10:50:41 GMT
Nonsense. Gooch and Stevens are good second choices, even first choice possibly in Stevens case. Thompson is another experienced option for left back. Dixon, Lawal and Seko have played full back as has Wilmot. We have some decent Championship cover in every single position. Should we get promoted we will need better and we might have to review in January should a promotion push look possible but the squad looks very rounded to me once everyone is fit. I’m not sure about promotion push. We’re still very naïve across the whole team. I do include the manager in that too, he’s a young manager with young players. So this is to be expected (defending super narrow and conceded wide areas, we seem to have sacrificed some high and physicality too. That's why I say "if". It is also possible that we may be looking like relegation possibilities too. It all depends on how this young squad perform for the next 4 months. In either scenario we aren't going to sit back and say we are not bothered if by January we are round about the playoffs or staring at relegation so we may then look for one or two older heads to help a push but for now we are giving the young and inexperienced a chance to learn and grow which is great and exciting. As for physicality I agree we look vulnerable but I think there is enough in defence with Gibson as the option against teams we feel will be physical. A lot in midfield depends on Lawal but we also have the option of Pearson and Thompson. I don't think Saturday's midfield would have been good enough v WBA or Watford. I'm not worried about up front. Have to be honest I haven't seen Cannon to judge but I think the options of Million, Koumas and Junho have shown enough to be able to say that despite being short they are athletic, skillful and robust enough to cope with and get the better of physical defenders. I don't even know what Gallagher is like in terms of physicality. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 2, 2024 11:01:48 GMT
Genuine question. When Wilmot first arrived did he not play a RB role ? not when he first arrived,no he filled in there later |
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 2, 2024 11:59:43 GMT
Have we got one? Junior at RB Bocat at LB Is that it for viable full backs? Did Stevens deserve another a year with the way he finished the season? hardly played a game for the 2 years prior to being brought in here and now 34 Gooch could do a job on either side, viable though? Another poor window for me - re our defence - couple of injuries in what is the most physical part of the pitch and we are back to playing square pegs, for the umpteenth year. Our best pairing in central defence arguably a teenager and a 30+ Do we do defence at this club anymore? 6 strikers and 1 right-back - doesn't make sense to me. Thought SJW would sort this out After seeing Gooch trying to defend against WBA I'll never trust him again!  |
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Post by idle on Sept 2, 2024 12:07:45 GMT
Have we got one? Did Stevens deserve another a year with the way he finished the season? hardly played a game for the 2 years prior to being brought in here and now 34 Still peddling this bollocks after being told you're wrong? Screams agenda to me. (Stevens played 37 games in his last 2 seasons at Sheff Utd) |
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 2, 2024 21:09:55 GMT
Agreed Junior needs to be given game time, but personally would have brought somebody in more senior and proven - and then either made sure Junior got some games or loaned him out. There are 50+ games in a season so plenty of opportunities for 2 players to cover 1 position and also useful for a manager to have at least 2 genuine options in each position so he can swap the team around depending on who the opposition is. For a team that has stated it wants to move forward and try and break into the top half, I would have expected a bit of genuine backup at left/right back. I know we were trying to sign Hoever, but we really should have had a plan B, C, D, E should we fail in signing him. Hopefully Junior comes good and stays away from injury and same for Bocat because, for me, if either struggle then the cover/options are poor - IF we want to move forward and not be in another struggle Gooch, the blokes a senior and proven right back. I think his preferred foot is his left though - so arguably a square peg |
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 2, 2024 21:30:44 GMT
Have we got one? Did Stevens deserve another a year with the way he finished the season? hardly played a game for the 2 years prior to being brought in here and now 34 Still peddling this bollocks after being told you're wrong? Screams agenda to me. (Stevens played 37 games in his last 2 seasons at Sheff Utd) Not sure what it is I am peddling to be honest, or when I was told I was wrong by his highness(although I normally am wrong with most things) - very rarely reply or start a thread. Obviously think I have something against Stevens from the quote, just think we can probably do better, we had a few Sheff U fans on here saying he had been a fantastic player for them and a favourite, but he had gone past his sell by date and was struggling for them in his last few yeas there and not a regular starter. Given his age and form I thought it was a strange one for us to have him as our main focus in that position at the start of last year and, for me, hardly reeks of ambition. Also given his age and how much time he was injured last year, I thought it was not worth us extending his contract and maybe trying to improve - no agenda, just an opinion. You obviously like him and so that is fair enough |
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