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Post by starkiller on Aug 24, 2024 16:13:15 GMT
No idea what we are trying to do.
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 24, 2024 16:13:59 GMT
It feels like he’s panicked after Watford last week.
It’s amazing how quickly the memories of the Coventry game can disappear.
So much wrong with that performance that time doesn’t look like it would improve.
+ Koumas
+ Hopefully Lawal and Phillips will improve us.
- Can’t defend set pieces and keeper looks to small.
- Midfield is shocking. You just don’t notice Laurent and Thompson 90 percent of the time.
- Why play Bae centrally and not wide.
- Junior and Bocat very poor.
- Why play Gooch? What’s the justification.
- No bottle. We just fold rather than roll our sleeves up.
- Subs didn’t seem to have any method to them.
Baggies never got out of second gear and moved the ball around like we should try to.
It was like men v boys today and we already look fragile and devoid of confidence.
Not sure what the answer is but after today I’d say we need
GK - A solid number 2 to put pressure on
RB - A good experienced one.
CM - to play alongside Lawal
STR - For cover
WING - so we don’t have to see Gooch again
I would say
LB, CB, CM but we have players in already
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Post by JesusisaStokie on Aug 24, 2024 16:15:58 GMT
Anyone up for a game of what date will SS be sacked? bonus point for correct points tally. I'm taking 7th October 8pts
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Post by caine on Aug 24, 2024 16:16:29 GMT
How many games until it can be considered reasonable to think we’re in trouble ? Probably more than 3 😂 Sensible poster… I mean we ain’t got a striker, we got how many players injured. My only grumble today is why did he change formation and he had to drop Gooch. Shame we have defended poorly since the Cov game ah well… |
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Post by chamberlain on Aug 24, 2024 16:16:45 GMT
It feels like he’s panicked after Watford last week. It’s amazing how quickly the memories of the Coventry game can disappear. So much wrong with that performance that time doesn’t look like it would improve. + Koumas + Hopefully Lawal and Phillips will improve us. - Can’t defend set pieces and keeper looks to small. - Midfield is shocking. You just don’t notice Laurent and Thompson 90 percent of the time. - Why play Bae centrally and not wide. - Junior and Bocat very poor. - Why play Gooch? What’s the justification. - No bottle. We just fold rather than roll our sleeves up. - Subs didn’t seem to have any method to them. Baggies never got out of second gear and moved the ball around like we should try to. It was like men v boys today and we already look fragile and devoid of confidence. Not sure what the answer is but after today I’d say we need GK - A solid number 2 to put pressure on RB - A good experienced one. CM - to play alongside Lawal STR - For cover WING - so we don’t have to see Gooch again I would say LB, CB, CM but we have players in already Spot on , you've just missed one thing. Passing the ball square and backwards when Koumas and Manhoef are making forward runs .Very frustrating. |
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Post by whatsashig on Aug 24, 2024 16:19:24 GMT
No idea what we are trying to do. Must be modern day football, not for me that. First proper cheer was of Albion fans for a corner, ironic really cus it used to quite regular, is that why you can bet on corners now. Bloody boring and it ain’t just stoke, nah bah humbug. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 24, 2024 16:23:01 GMT
Relegation battle here we come lads. Hardly surprising. What is it now. The last 4 years? We will drop eventually. Keeping the same players is pretty much the issue. Oh and not having any form of recruitment setup. Grow up for god sake 🤣 3rd game of the season. Yeah we were bad. Relegation talk is pathetic after 3 games. "Keeping the same players is the issue" yeah because the last 2 seasons our squad hasn't changed at all 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ You have to be on a wind up, nobody is this daft surely If the best you have got at game 3 is we shouldn't be talking about relegation, you are acknowledging the mess. Last week we were crying out for a change of shape at half time, this week we changed the shape and unbalanced ourselves. Junior is not a wing back his touch is awful, Gooch is not a LWB, out front three, all talented players, didn't know what the plan was, though in their defence, neither dd anyone else playing or watching. WBA took a while to realise how much space they had and how little pressure they were under, once they did it was game over. We were promised the fittest team ever after pre-season, like everything else from this manger, it is talk with no idea of how to deliver. Meanwhile our Director of Football has delivered goalkeeper who has been at fault for 4 of the last 5 goals, an ageing centre back who is hesitant in possession, a new midfielder who seems as lightweight as Cundle and two injured players. It appears shambolic and maybe we are overreacting but I currently can't see what the plan is. I guess the boos at full-time suggest others are similarly concerned |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 24, 2024 16:26:54 GMT
It feels like he’s panicked after Watford last week. It’s amazing how quickly the memories of the Coventry game can disappear. So much wrong with that performance that time doesn’t look like it would improve. + Koumas + Hopefully Lawal and Phillips will improve us. - Can’t defend set pieces and keeper looks to small. - Midfield is shocking. You just don’t notice Laurent and Thompson 90 percent of the time. - Why play Bae centrally and not wide. - Junior and Bocat very poor. - Why play Gooch? What’s the justification. - No bottle. We just fold rather than roll our sleeves up. - Subs didn’t seem to have any method to them. Baggies never got out of second gear and moved the ball around like we should try to. It was like men v boys today and we already look fragile and devoid of confidence. Not sure what the answer is but after today I’d say we need GK - A solid number 2 to put pressure on RB - A good experienced one. CM - to play alongside Lawal STR - For cover WING - so we don’t have to see Gooch again I would say LB, CB, CM but we have players in already Spot on , you've just missed one thing. Passing the ball square and backwards when Koumas and Manhoef are making forward runs .Very frustrating. I just don’t see what Laurent and Thompson bring to the party. The midfield should be the engine room of the team both attacking and defensively. A midfield is the sum of its parts where you want players who excel in either goals defending passing / creativity Those 2 are very beige and don’t do anything really well. Thompson tries hard but he’s never going to be anything more than a journeyman and Laurent has all the ability but rarely uses it. Until we get more energy, power and flair in the middle we’ll continue to turn out these type of performances. Lawal can’t come in soon enough. Hopefully Moran once he’s settled will do a good job and then Burger needs to get his form back. Thought koumas was exceptional and with decent service could be a revelation. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 24, 2024 16:34:05 GMT
That was a poor team to lose to for me
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 24, 2024 16:35:12 GMT
We gave away two very easy goals again in an even game where we really should have managed a point!  |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 24, 2024 16:35:52 GMT
It feels like he’s panicked after Watford last week. It’s amazing how quickly the memories of the Coventry game can disappear. So much wrong with that performance that time doesn’t look like it would improve. + Koumas + Hopefully Lawal and Phillips will improve us. - Can’t defend set pieces and keeper looks to small. - Midfield is shocking. You just don’t notice Laurent and Thompson 90 percent of the time. - Why play Bae centrally and not wide. - Junior and Bocat very poor. - Why play Gooch? What’s the justification. - No bottle. We just fold rather than roll our sleeves up. - Subs didn’t seem to have any method to them. Baggies never got out of second gear and moved the ball around like we should try to. It was like men v boys today and we already look fragile and devoid of confidence. Not sure what the answer is but after today I’d say we need GK - A solid number 2 to put pressure on RB - A good experienced one. CM - to play alongside Lawal STR - For cover WING - so we don’t have to see Gooch again I would say LB, CB, CM but we have players in already Playing Koumas to get in between the two big centre backs worked, we were a coat of paint away from equalising just before half time. His big mistake was playing Gooch, brings nothing to the party in that role other than honest endeavour, it was a mistake. Instead of making wholesale changes that disrupted the flow of the game and actually made us less threatening he should have just taken Gooch off and left Tchamadeu at right back, Burger for Thompson and Mmae for Bae Junho and tried to wrestle control of the ball and create a few chances. In the end the game just drifted, West Brom are a team ahead of the curve though compared to us so I’m disappointed but not too downbeat for the future just yet…. |
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Post by pzstokie on Aug 24, 2024 16:36:04 GMT
You have to laugh,if Cardiff win tomorrow they will be on the same points as us and there bottom as it stands
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 24, 2024 16:36:19 GMT
No idea what we are trying to do. We attempted to play a system V a team that was a bit too smart that was no need to attempt . Completely shot ourselves in the foot. |
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Post by wolfinsheepsclothing on Aug 24, 2024 16:39:24 GMT
In a word
Ponderous
Excluding Koumas, who looks a footballer
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Post by redwhitesingfight on Aug 24, 2024 16:40:03 GMT
No guile, pace or movement off the ball. Gooch, Laurent, Thompson, Bocat, Wilmot are not good enough. Play Sidibe and get the new signings in asap.
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Post by redwhitesingfight on Aug 24, 2024 16:40:53 GMT
Koumas looks great.
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Post by swampySCFC on Aug 24, 2024 16:45:48 GMT
That side is arguably worse than the one that finished last season. Another year lack lustre lower half shite on the cards
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Post by sealion100 on Aug 24, 2024 16:52:37 GMT
Very poor
Performance today Very disappointed to lose in that manner to our local rivals in the division …. We were no match for them Physically (second game in a row) loads of square pegs in round holes … manager clearly doesn’t have a clue what his best side is !!! For the fifth manager in a row … unbelievably hard being a Stoke fan over the last five seasons …( for the record I’ve been a fan since 74) the last few seasons have been some of the worst
In respect of its all so predictable …going into the start of YET another season with maybe half a team
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Post by bertieb on Aug 24, 2024 16:55:21 GMT
Same shit, away team sit behind the ball organised, win ball back break quickly and score, so fucking predictable FFS
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Post by underdog on Aug 24, 2024 17:00:35 GMT
Grow up for god sake 🤣 3rd game of the season. Yeah we were bad. Relegation talk is pathetic after 3 games. "Keeping the same players is the issue" yeah because the last 2 seasons our squad hasn't changed at all 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ You have to be on a wind up, nobody is this daft surely If the best you have got at game 3 is we shouldn't be talking about relegation, you are acknowledging the mess. Last week we were crying out for a change of shape at half time, this week we changed the shape and unbalanced ourselves. Junior is not a wing back his touch is awful, Gooch is not a LWB, out front three, all talented players, didn't know what the plan was, though in their defence, neither dd anyone else playing or watching. WBA took a while to realise how much space they had and how little pressure they were under, once they did it was game over. We were promised the fittest team ever after pre-season, like everything else from this manger, it is talk with no idea of how to deliver. Meanwhile our Director of Football has delivered goalkeeper who has been at fault for 4 of the last 5 goals, an ageing centre back who is hesitant in possession, a new midfielder who seems as lightweight as Cundle and two injured players. It appears shambolic and maybe we are overreacting but I currently can't see what the plan is. I guess the boos at full-time suggest others are similarly concerned History tends to suggest a season that starts badly for Stoke, tends to carry on in that vein. I’d be amazed if SS has the ability or the players to make a big change. Hope I’m wrong, but there’s little to be optimistic about. |
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Post by steve66 on Aug 24, 2024 17:01:37 GMT
My two penneth, cannot understand why he’s used gooch where he has so far, like gooch as a full back & not as a midfielder or front three as was case v cov and Carlisle, how ss can’t see it just isn’t good enough baffles me especially when we have 30/40 actual midfielders on our books!
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Post by kerouac on Aug 24, 2024 17:01:39 GMT
My main concern is that we appear as weak as piss,constantly knocked off the ball far too easily.
The Baggies just seemed fitter and far stronger.
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Post by pavel on Aug 24, 2024 17:04:02 GMT
What do we expect, weaker in goal, weaker in defence, same mess in midfield, weaker up front. 3 games in and so much work still to do transfer wise. Promise for the future, players injured supposedly for the future, lack of outgoings. An incoherent shit show of a transfer policy to date that’s barely addressed our key deficiencies.
Starting today for our 3rd match of the season with Gooch and the same unit (trio) of Thompson, Laurent and Baker ( late on admittedly) is unforgivable, they have failed us time and time again. It shows little has changed and complacency is still woven into the fabric of the club.
The striker situation is beyond belief and we relying either on a 18 year old Tezgel and a 19 year old loanee, you couldn’t make it up.
I couldn’t watch the match today but it doesn’t take much imagination to visualise it.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Aug 24, 2024 17:06:23 GMT
It feels like he’s panicked after Watford last week. It’s amazing how quickly the memories of the Coventry game can disappear. So much wrong with that performance that time doesn’t look like it would improve. + Koumas + Hopefully Lawal and Phillips will improve us. - Can’t defend set pieces and keeper looks to small. - Midfield is shocking. You just don’t notice Laurent and Thompson 90 percent of the time. - Why play Bae centrally and not wide. - Junior and Bocat very poor. - Why play Gooch? What’s the justification. - No bottle. We just fold rather than roll our sleeves up. - Subs didn’t seem to have any method to them. Baggies never got out of second gear and moved the ball around like we should try to. It was like men v boys today and we already look fragile and devoid of confidence. Not sure what the answer is but after today I’d say we need GK - A solid number 2 to put pressure on RB - A good experienced one. CM - to play alongside Lawal STR - For cover WING - so we don’t have to see Gooch again I would say LB, CB, CM but we have players in already Can’t argue with that. Said on another post, we just can’t run a team with Thompson, Laurent and Gooch. They’re are not good enough individually and collectively a disaster |
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Post by femark on Aug 24, 2024 17:06:43 GMT
The sooner Laurent is out of the team the better.
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Post by enuntio on Aug 24, 2024 17:08:31 GMT
Wasn't overly bad, (seen far worse)
Koumas needs to share his commitment and vision skills with the other players.
Meaning others need to do more.
Bocat should have been subbed as soon as he had that knock, (he played well enough)
BaeHo needs more fat on his bacon,(also played well)
The goalkeeper perhaps should of been placed better for their second, more central on the goal line.
The crowd need to have arrow signs, so as the players get to know which way to go
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Post by a on Aug 24, 2024 17:22:39 GMT
Great goal for us. Koumas is miles better than Tezgel. Naive in defence once again. Looking awful defensively yet unlucky attacking. I think it’ll come .
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 24, 2024 17:28:00 GMT
Nothing to really do with us losing as such, but what the fuck is going on with Burger? Missed tackles, fannying out of headers, running away from the ball when he should be an option? He looks absolutely wank at the minute.
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Post by fca47 on Aug 24, 2024 17:28:20 GMT
Baggies never got out of second gear, what utter rubbish. They are a possession side and also wasted a lot of time, they always play the same way. We made a poor start and paid for it, lucky not to be two down. But up until the substitutes, I thought we played reasonably well. We look a bit lightweight in midfield , except for Laurent but he's a bit of a pussy. Hopefully the new bloke will add a bit of steel
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Post by Old School Stokie on Aug 24, 2024 17:38:01 GMT
Gooch never cut out the cross for the first goal and goalie had enough time to either punch or catch - then gooch missed the cross field pass which was then squared to the guy to shoot and quite frankly that was a shot they should have been saved. Why does he persist with going who can’t tackle, can’t beat a man, can’t pass the ball to his own players and is such a midget can’t win any balls in the air / get rid. Jury is out on goalie
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