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Post by samwidge on Aug 28, 2024 22:28:10 GMT
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Post by Gods on Aug 28, 2024 23:01:29 GMT
Excellent draw, we've a good shot at the last 16, what not to like?!
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Post by milton58 on Aug 28, 2024 23:38:51 GMT
And Chelsea get Barrow at home, joke. no doubt in your eyes were out like you said against Boro.....and we're relegation fodder on certain threads but we're going to be fine on other threads according to you..... |
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Post by boothenender on Aug 29, 2024 0:35:01 GMT
Good home draw for us and another chance for SS to play the young ‘ins.
Also a chance to play some of the recent signings to get them a bit more familiar with their team mates.
Stoke 4-1 Fleetwood.
I would like Sheffield Wednesday or Everton away in the next round.
I will be our last chance to visit Goodison Park or another big away following at the Wendies.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Aug 29, 2024 1:30:00 GMT
And Chelsea get Barrow at home, joke. no doubt in your eyes were out like you said against Boro.....and we're relegation fodder on certain threads but we're going to be fine on other threads according to you..... Can't remember ever saying I thought we'd go out against Boro, certainly not on this thread anyway. We were in a relegation battle last season and are on relegation form so far this (albeit very early, still a factual statement). That said, it was pointed out that I was being overly negative and I've taken that on board and started to be more optimistic. |
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Post by bingbang on Aug 29, 2024 4:07:58 GMT
Nice draw but the whole thing is a farce Explain why it's a farce. |
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Post by superjw on Aug 29, 2024 4:46:10 GMT
Can someone please reply to me and explain how it benefits anyone but the big boys. Also why are they so looked after all of the time. Its bollox. Your in europe so we shall me it easier for you to do well in europe. It also means you have a good chance of making the final so you can just keep adding to your trophy cabinet. Money, that’s it |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 29, 2024 5:28:44 GMT
I missed the draw but just reading the thread?
What was the farce?
Was it seeded?
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Post by stoke111 on Aug 29, 2024 6:20:29 GMT
Nice draw but the whole thing is a farce Explain why it's a farce. The top 6 are purposely not allowed to draw eachother meaning they have a significant advantage and even better chance to make it to the next round/ deep into the draw. They’ve already had a 2 round bye in which other teams haven’t. Following this 4/6 of the top 6 are guaranteed a home draw further increasing their chances of progressing and cementing their top team status. At the end of the day it’s all about money. Sponsors don’t want to see Leicester vs Southampton final. They want to see top 6 vs top 6 every time and fixed draws like this increase the chances of this not happening because they can’t knock eachother out in round 4. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 29, 2024 6:23:23 GMT
I missed the draw but just reading the thread? What was the farce? Was it seeded? The 6 teams in Europe can’t face each other bar in the next round bar Chelsea and cannot play each other so were drawn at the start. Of those 6 4 get home ties for some weird reason and 2 away. It does seem unfair. The fact they have huge squads should balance things out re the other teams. They have the squads to play more games. I can understand peoples anger. |
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Post by wonderwall on Aug 29, 2024 6:26:37 GMT
This would have been designed by the big clubs. Probably while blackmailing about the breakaway league
It’s unfair, but what’s new. FA have no back bone
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Post by michelle1863 on Aug 29, 2024 6:36:00 GMT
Apparently they did a draw BEFORE the Newcastle game kicked off to work out whether the big 6 would play home or away, as far as I am aware this wasn’t televised, it happened behind the scenes…
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2024 6:58:44 GMT
Good draw that. Play the kids. Hopefully win. I’m all for giving the kids a runout but this isn’t the Staffs County Cup. It’s a good competition with a chance of playing at Wembley. As with the FA Cup, we should try and go as far as we can even if it means some of our more established players starting. Saying that, our kids made some of our so called ‘stars’ look like mugs yesterday, so the kids start on merit anyway. Nah it’s a competition now where you give them a chance. And they’ve done the job so far, why wouldn’t you carry that on? |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 29, 2024 7:03:01 GMT
I’m all for giving the kids a runout but this isn’t the Staffs County Cup. It’s a good competition with a chance of playing at Wembley. As with the FA Cup, we should try and go as far as we can even if it means some of our more established players starting. Saying that, our kids made some of our so called ‘stars’ look like mugs yesterday, so the kids start on merit anyway. Nah it’s a competition now where you give them a chance. And they’ve done the job so far, why wouldn’t you carry that on? Thing is weve a veery your starting 11 regardless so he can actually play some forst teamers and it looks like kids Moran , junior , Bocat , Koumas , Juno , Million all give a very youthful llok in a mix and match |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 29, 2024 7:24:55 GMT
This would have been designed by the big clubs. Probably while blackmailing about the breakaway league It’s unfair, but what’s new. FA have no back bone Pretty sure the FA have their own cup to administer. |
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Post by Gods on Aug 29, 2024 7:31:06 GMT
Explain why it's a farce. The top 6 are purposely not allowed to draw eachother meaning they have a significant advantage and even better chance to make it to the next round/ deep into the draw. They’ve already had a 2 round bye in which other teams haven’t. Following this 4/6 of the top 6 are guaranteed a home draw further increasing their chances of progressing and cementing their top team status. At the end of the day it’s all about money. Sponsors don’t want to see Leicester vs Southampton final. They want to see top 6 vs top 6 every time and fixed draws like this increase the chances of this not happening because they can’t knock eachother out in round 4. The final will likely be Man City v Arsenal or whatever anyway. I thought this was more about persuading the top 6 to take part at all with all the other stuff they have going on. If they pull out you are effectively left with the Autoglass Trophy. |
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Post by Northy on Aug 29, 2024 7:34:18 GMT
This would have been designed by the big clubs. Probably while blackmailing about the breakaway league It’s unfair, but what’s new. FA have no back bone It's the League Cup isn't it, not the FA Cup? |
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Post by wonderwall on Aug 29, 2024 7:37:25 GMT
Doh! 🤣
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 29, 2024 7:38:04 GMT
Nice draw but the whole thing is a farce Explain why it's a farce. Or explain to me why guaranteeing 4 of the top 6 teams a home draw against lesser opposition having already received byes for 2 rounds is not a farce? It undermines the integrity of the concept of ‘competition’ imo |
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Post by tpholloway1 on Aug 29, 2024 7:45:03 GMT
The top 6 are purposely not allowed to draw eachother meaning they have a significant advantage and even better chance to make it to the next round/ deep into the draw. They’ve already had a 2 round bye in which other teams haven’t. Following this 4/6 of the top 6 are guaranteed a home draw further increasing their chances of progressing and cementing their top team status. At the end of the day it’s all about money. Sponsors don’t want to see Leicester vs Southampton final. They want to see top 6 vs top 6 every time and fixed draws like this increase the chances of this not happening because they can’t knock eachother out in round 4. The final will likely be Man City v Arsenal or whatever anyway. I thought this was more about persuading the top 6 to take part at all with all the other stuff they have going on. If they pull out you are effectively left with the Autoglass Trophy. I was talking to a Autoglass rep after we won it. If you remember the semi finals were us v Peterborough and Stockport v Burnley. He said they were hoping for Stoke v Burnley as they hired Wembley for the final and needed an atendance of over 30,000 to break even. Don't know if it's the same now and if the EFL or Carabao fund it. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 29, 2024 7:48:15 GMT
Explain why it's a farce. Or explain to me why guaranteeing 4 of the top 6 teams a home draw against lesser opposition having already received byes for 2 rounds is not a farce? It undermines the integrity of the concept of ‘competition’ imo They weren’t guaranteed home games. They were seeded out of the main draw so they didn’t play each other. There was a separate draw before the main draw to determine whether they played at home or away. |
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 29, 2024 7:57:21 GMT
Or explain to me why guaranteeing 4 of the top 6 teams a home draw against lesser opposition having already received byes for 2 rounds is not a farce? It undermines the integrity of the concept of ‘competition’ imo They weren’t guaranteed home games. They were seeded out of the main draw so they didn’t play each other. There was a separate draw before the main draw to determine whether they played at home or away. Thanks for your explanation. I didn’t pick that up from the coverage. I still think seeding at this stage is poor. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 29, 2024 8:21:46 GMT
Yeah let’s give me a guard of honour for acting like a petulant child when we had a chance to beat Brighton. Or how about when he missed the follow up too? Or the Leicester Away monstrosity which would go down as one of the worst professional footballing display I’ve ever seen, abysmal. Yes he was good for a few seasons (maybe 3) but that relegation season he was awful, absolutely god awful for a professional footballer……but to top it off he doesn’t even shoulder any of the blame. Has the audacity to fire cheap pop shots at other players. Sorry, but Charlie Adam gave everything to Stoke city, your comments are a disgrace. Call yourself a Stoke fan ,pathetic. The state Adam got himself in was a disgrace, a pro footballer that couldn't even last 15mins, he took the piss out of the club paying his wages. Hopefully a few renditions of you fat bastard will be ringing around the stadium. |
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Post by moon on Aug 29, 2024 8:31:59 GMT
I missed the draw but just reading the thread? What was the farce? Was it seeded? The 6 teams in Europe can’t face each other bar in the next round bar Chelsea and cannot play each other so were drawn at the start. Of those 6 4 get home ties for some weird reason and 2 away. It does seem unfair. The fact they have huge squads should balance things out re the other teams. They have the squads to play more games. I can understand peoples anger. They typically play a reserve team in the cup anyway, they shouldn't get any special treatment, if they don't like it perhaps they should be able to opt out completely.
For me, all teams who want to play in the league cup should be in it from the very first round.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Aug 29, 2024 8:39:54 GMT
At least the next round 4 will be an even playing field with no more favours to the big clubs - unless they come up with another permutation. Trouble is many of the little clubs will have been eliminated after round 3
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 29, 2024 10:43:40 GMT
The top boys only play their 2nd team anyway,so they should be put in the bag with rest.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 29, 2024 11:09:35 GMT
The fact that they are protected from having to compete with each other is a real issue for me. I would be interested in knowing what was the argument presented to justify this?
And how the hell did it get approved?
Did this proposal come from the sponsors or the clubs?
It can only be to try to connive to make it easier for as many of these clubs as is possible to make it through to the latter stages, which just seems ethically wrong.
This is the kind of thing that goes on in some South American football. It really stinks.
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Post by AlliG on Aug 29, 2024 11:20:49 GMT
The fact that they are protected from having to compete with each other is a real issue for me. I would be interested in knowing what was the argument presented to justify this? And how the hell did it get approved? Did this proposal come from the sponsors or the clubs? It can only be to try to connive to make it easier for as many of these clubs as is possible to make it through to the latter stages, which just seems ethically wrong. This is the kind of thing that goes on in some South American football. It really stinks. The argument is that the next round of the Carabao Cup is being played at the same time as the major European Cup competitions. The seeding was to prevent a team playing a European match on the 16th September being drawn against a team playing a European match on the 23rd September and therefore not being able to play their Carabao Cup match in either week. The seeding means that the seeded teams will play their Carabao Cup matches in the week they don't play in Europe. Not saying that I agree with seeding but that is the logic behind the decision. |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Aug 29, 2024 11:31:42 GMT
The fact that they are protected from having to compete with each other is a real issue for me. I would be interested in knowing what was the argument presented to justify this? And how the hell did it get approved? Did this proposal come from the sponsors or the clubs? It can only be to try to connive to make it easier for as many of these clubs as is possible to make it through to the latter stages, which just seems ethically wrong. This is the kind of thing that goes on in some South American football. It really stinks. The argument is that the next round of the Carabao Cup is being played at the same time as the major European Cup competitions. The seeding was to prevent a team playing a European match on the 16th September being drawn against a team playing a European match on the 23rd September and therefore not being able to play their Carabao Cup match in either week. The seeding means that the seeded teams will play their Carabao Cup matches in the week they don't play in Europe. Not saying that I agree with seeding but that is the logic behind the decision. Understand their thinking, although I do think it's opened the door to risk of future manipulation.. Another gripe for me is the fact 4 of the seeded teams are guaranteed a home tie... to have the excuse of European fixtures is one thing but to insist on being at home against a minnow is purely to give the big team the advantage, |
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Post by Batfink on Aug 29, 2024 11:42:36 GMT
The argument is that the next round of the Carabao Cup is being played at the same time as the major European Cup competitions. The seeding was to prevent a team playing a European match on the 16th September being drawn against a team playing a European match on the 23rd September and therefore not being able to play their Carabao Cup match in either week. The seeding means that the seeded teams will play their Carabao Cup matches in the week they don't play in Europe. Not saying that I agree with seeding but that is the logic behind the decision. Understand their thinking, although I do think it's opened the door to risk of future manipulation.. Another gripe for me is the fact 4 of the seeded teams are guaranteed a home tie... to have the excuse of European fixtures is one thing but to insist on being at home against a minnow is purely to give the big team the advantage, They didn’t insist on it. It was drawn. |
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