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Post by chayseeoatcake on Aug 1, 2024 14:02:15 GMT
IMO he did what he did it helped. But he’s done nothing other than play for Stoke to warrant the job he has now. Same with Shawcross. Get professional experts Into do the job. Shawcross was already coach before he came to us wasn't he? And if Walters did do a great job when he came in I don't see a problem giving him the job based on that, he'll have earned it. It's still too early to judge. Fair enough you’ve convinced me. Let SJW bring in his own choice as HC. Ennis Cundle Gibson Gallagher probably a couple more of the same. May as well just get Shawcross manage it. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 1, 2024 16:45:31 GMT
How do you actually judge Walters performance? Not sure at the moment his only positive tick was his early cheerleading. He can be judged at the end of the transfer window though as he is responsible for dumping a head of recruitment who brought in at least 3 saleable assets with a possible sell on value of 20m+ so his recruitment needs to match that. I agree and same with the manager. I find it impossible to judge either, SS’s time was so up down I don’t know if he can cut it, while 4 signings is no basis to judge Walters this summer. I have no idea how we will do, in my view we have a slightly stronger defence but have made no real progress elsewhere. If we start poorly both will be under pressure and one will be likely to go |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2024 16:48:37 GMT
Getting a fee for McCarron is decent tbf.
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Post by ceejays on Aug 1, 2024 20:14:33 GMT
The McNally link is further evidence to me that we are going in the British DNA route . It’s probably triggered by SS in this case . Certainly not LD . Come back Jared and give us some further gems .Exciting players ? Baffling . Will anyone be allowed to ask the question at the forthcoming Q and A ? Transparency unlikely
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Post by baconburger on Aug 1, 2024 20:53:50 GMT
The McNally link is further evidence to me that we are going in the British DNA route . It’s probably triggered by SS in this case . Certainly not LD . Come back Jared and give us some further gems .Exciting players ? Baffling . Will anyone be allowed to ask the question at the forthcoming Q and A ? Transparency unlikely We signed him when JD was here too. The HoR is not (or wasn't when JD was here) part of the decision making. He presented his recommendations and options to them, that was it. John Coates, Alex Neil, Ricky Martin, Chris Laird were the technical board at the time. Unless they've given Darbrough an enhanced role he won't be on the technical board. As explained by John Coates at last years Q&A. |
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Post by ceejays on Aug 6, 2024 20:59:01 GMT
Anyone now thinks we have ( Simon King apart ) a team at the top who can take us to the next level ?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 6, 2024 21:06:04 GMT
Anyone now thinks we have ( Simon King apart ) a team at the top who can take us to the next level ? Absolutely |
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Post by jay1610 on Aug 6, 2024 21:15:36 GMT
Anyone now thinks we have ( Simon King apart ) a team at the top who can take us to the next level ? Possibly not, but why is now the time to cast a definitive judgment? We’ve neither kicked a ball nor concluded our summer transfer business. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 6, 2024 21:33:02 GMT
Anyone now thinks we have ( Simon King apart ) a team at the top who can take us to the next level ? I think the bloke who's our best hope is the most likely to get the bullet, SS. |
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Post by ceejays on Aug 7, 2024 5:23:08 GMT
Anyone now thinks we have ( Simon King apart ) a team at the top who can take us to the next level ? Possibly not, but why is now the time to cast a definitive judgment? We’ve neither kicked a ball nor concluded our summer transfer business. That’s not the point of the thread as I’ve said several times . |
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 7, 2024 6:14:50 GMT
Possibly not, but why is now the time to cast a definitive judgment? We’ve neither kicked a ball nor concluded our summer transfer business. That’s not the point of the thread as I’ve said several times . And as people have said several times it’s impossible to give a balanced judgement based on his impact so far because it will take time to implement changes. It’s clear you’re not a fan and only see the shortcomings. That’s fine but you don’t need to constantly labour the point. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 7, 2024 6:26:20 GMT
That’s not the point of the thread as I’ve said several times . And as people have said several times it’s impossible to give a balanced judgement based on his impact so far because it will take time to implement changes. It’s clear you’re not a fan and only see the shortcomings. That’s fine but you don’t need to constantly labour the point. Absolutely spot on ⬆️ |
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Post by professorplump on Aug 7, 2024 7:00:42 GMT
Anyone now thinks we have ( Simon King apart ) a team at the top who can take us to the next level ? Well we are unbeaten in the league so far this season so who knows? |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 7, 2024 8:10:38 GMT
That’s not the point of the thread as I’ve said several times . And as people have said several times it’s impossible to give a balanced judgement based on his impact so far because it will take time to implement changes. It’s clear you’re not a fan and only see the shortcomings. That’s fine but you don’t need to constantly labour the point. People evaluate things constantly right from the first second. People who say they’re reserving their judgment doesn’t mean they haven’t made any judgments they just don’t want to share them because they somehow think that being shown to have been wrong at a later point is some sort of problem. We had the same thing with Mmaee last season (too soon to judge) anyone who says they don’t start making initial judgements straight away are lying. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 7, 2024 8:17:19 GMT
Schumacher can't be happy starting the season with that squad surely, I don't know what he is meant to do with it. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see us winning a game this month, any manager of any level would struggle with it. Schumacher is very likely going to become the fall guy for what so far is a very disappointing transfer window which is out of his hands. So far I feel he has been let down massively by Walters and his team unless something changes quickly.
I don't know how we are supposed to judge Schumacher on performances when he doesn't have the players he needs. If we start the season well it would be some effort. When you attack it's normally with a purpose of getting the ball to your striker, not having one really makes it difficult to attack because it makes you easy to defend against.
I hope the fans give Schumacher a bit of slack if things do start going against us because I don't see how anyone does anything with that squad other than defend for our lives. Our problems are all out of his hands
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 7, 2024 8:18:10 GMT
And as people have said several times it’s impossible to give a balanced judgement based on his impact so far because it will take time to implement changes. It’s clear you’re not a fan and only see the shortcomings. That’s fine but you don’t need to constantly labour the point. People evaluate things constantly right from the first second. People who say they’re reserving their judgment doesn’t mean they haven’t made any judgments they just don’t want to share them because they somehow think that being shown to have been wrong at a later point is some sort of problem. We had the same thing with Mmaee last season (too soon to judge) anyone who says they don’t start making initial judgements straight away are lying. Initial judgements are fine but they have far less value than those based on evidence. And we don’t have enough evidence to make a valid judgement yet. Some people like Jon Walters. Some people don’t like him. Either way current evaluations of his impact are verging on worthless because we just don’t know. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 7, 2024 8:24:02 GMT
People evaluate things constantly right from the first second. People who say they’re reserving their judgment doesn’t mean they haven’t made any judgments they just don’t want to share them because they somehow think that being shown to have been wrong at a later point is some sort of problem. We had the same thing with Mmaee last season (too soon to judge) anyone who says they don’t start making initial judgements straight away are lying. Initial judgements are fine but they have far less value than those based on evidence. And we don’t have enough evidence to make a valid judgement yet. Some people like Jon Walters. Some people don’t like him. Either way current evaluations of his impact are verging on worthless because we just don’t know. But we all still make them(initial judgments) so anyone who’s saying they don’t or trying to shut down discussion about what other people’s initial judgements are, are just being cagey hypocrites. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 7, 2024 8:27:19 GMT
People evaluate things constantly right from the first second. People who say they’re reserving their judgment doesn’t mean they haven’t made any judgments they just don’t want to share them because they somehow think that being shown to have been wrong at a later point is some sort of problem. We had the same thing with Mmaee last season (too soon to judge) anyone who says they don’t start making initial judgements straight away are lying. Initial judgements are fine but they have far less value than those based on evidence. And we don’t have enough evidence to make a valid judgement yet. Some people like Jon Walters. Some people don’t like him. Either way current evaluations of his impact are verging on worthless because we just don’t know. Walter's job is to make sure Schumacher has what he needs to be successful, I don't see that at all. I see a squad far weaker than the end of last season and in serious trouble of being in a relegation battle if it isn't sorted out soon. With our squad as it is I would put us bottom of the league at the end of the season under any manager. The players we are being linked to here and there are squad fillers not first team players, we need 4/5 first team players, we look a mess it can still change but we look a mess |
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 7, 2024 8:29:01 GMT
Initial judgements are fine but they have far less value than those based on evidence. And we don’t have enough evidence to make a valid judgement yet. Some people like Jon Walters. Some people don’t like him. Either way current evaluations of his impact are verging on worthless because we just don’t know. Walter's job is to make sure Schumacher has what he needs to be successful, I don't see that at all. I see a squad far weaker than the end of last season and in serious trouble of being in a relegation battle if it isn't sorted out soon. With our squad as it is I would put us bottom of the league at the end of the season under any manager. The players we are being linked to here and there are squad fillers not first team players, we need 4/5 first team players, we look a mess it can still change but we look a mess I’m not happy with where we are squad wise currently either. But the window has another few weeks. We can only judge the window fully once it’s closed imo. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 7, 2024 8:33:23 GMT
Walter's job is to make sure Schumacher has what he needs to be successful, I don't see that at all. I see a squad far weaker than the end of last season and in serious trouble of being in a relegation battle if it isn't sorted out soon. With our squad as it is I would put us bottom of the league at the end of the season under any manager. The players we are being linked to here and there are squad fillers not first team players, we need 4/5 first team players, we look a mess it can still change but we look a mess I’m not happy with where we are squad wise currently either. But the window has another few weeks. We can only judge the window fully once it’s closed imo. We are starting the season a hell of a lot lighter than we should, we need too many signings and the Gallagher one was questionable, the Jeremy one was a bit desperate. If we were chasing players we thought yes they will improve us then maybe fans would be a bit more hopeful but we aren't we look like we are on the verge of panic buying |
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Post by moon on Aug 7, 2024 8:44:58 GMT
Walter's job is to make sure Schumacher has what he needs to be successful, I don't see that at all. I see a squad far weaker than the end of last season and in serious trouble of being in a relegation battle if it isn't sorted out soon. With our squad as it is I would put us bottom of the league at the end of the season under any manager. The players we are being linked to here and there are squad fillers not first team players, we need 4/5 first team players, we look a mess it can still change but we look a mess I’m not happy with where we are squad wise currently either. But the window has another few weeks. We can only judge the window fully once it’s closed imo. We'll have played 3 league games (all pretty tough games against Coventry at home, Watford away, and WBA away) and one league cup game at Carlisle away by 30th August, and any signing isn't going to be playing the next day away at Plymouth on 31st.
It's a significant part of the season and we shouldn't be going into it at ~80% assuming we make ~5 changes to the first team squad by the end of the month (perhaps drop that to 70% with injuries). A bad month and the knives will be out, of course it could go the other way and we have a blistering start then everyone wants to sign for us by the end of the month, but I don't see it happening and I'm usually optimistic at this point in the season.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 7, 2024 8:53:58 GMT
You’ll have your initial reaction and every action thereafter will either be a positive or a negative stimulus to your overall opinion. I’ll have a go at explaining mine.
JW appointed interim TD What the fuck!
Negative. I fucking hated it.
Football we played soon after his arrival which has now been said was the players wishes not his.
Negative I fucking hated it.
Upturn in form and joyous football right at the end of the season. Oh he isn’t dictating to Schu how the team must play after all.
Positive I fucking loved it
Initial signings early and seemingly decent even if I didn’t want us signing older players. A ball playing CB and an attacking LB.
Positive he’s not just trying to mimic Pulis/Dyche.
Binning JD Brain dead a recruitment model that has unearthed gems at a frankly unbelievable rate binned after less than a year.
Negative. I fucking hated it.
Employing Darnbrough. The more you read about him the less impressed you get and that’s before you even get to his strange verging on paranoid way of operating.
Negative. Very negative.
Links to some decent players. Ugbo, Stansfield, Cannon, McBurnie etc
Positive
Deals not concluded quickly for any of them.
Negative.
Signing Gallagher. Well he’s a CF possibly the least exciting most underwhelming CF I could have thought of but a CF nevertheless.
Neutral.
Seeming inability to conclude deals either in or out in a timely fashion.
Negative.
So my initial reaction/judgement was far from positive and on balance of events it’s become more negative not less.
I missed out JW confirmed as permanent SD. Bewilderment what the fuck has he actually done as a TD/SD to merit this.
Negative.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Aug 7, 2024 8:59:12 GMT
You’ll have your initial reaction and every action thereafter will either be a positive or a negative stimulus to your overall opinion. I’ll have a go at explaining mine. JW appointed interim TD What the fuck! Negative. I fucking hated it. Football we played soon after his arrival which has now been said was the players wishes not his. Negative I fucking hated it. Upturn in form and joyous football right at the end of the season. Oh he isn’t dictating to Schu how the team must play after all. Positive I fucking loved it Initial signings early and seemingly decent even if I didn’t want us signing older players. A ball playing CB and an attacking LB. Positive he’s not just trying to mimic Pulis/Dyche. Binning JD Brain dead a recruitment model that has unearthed gems at a frankly unbelievable rate binned after less than a year. Negative. I fucking hated it. Employing Darnbrough. The more you read about him the less impressed you get and that’s before you even get to his strange verging on paranoid way of operating. Negative. Very negative. Links to some decent players. Ugbo, Stansfield, Cannon, McBurnie etc Positive Deals not concluded quickly for any of them. Negative. Signing Gallagher. Well he’s a CF possibly the least exciting most underwhelming CF I could have thought of but a CF nevertheless. Neutral. Seeming inability to conclude deals either in or out in a timely fashion. Negative. So my initial reaction/judgement was far from positive and on balance of events it’s become more negative not less. Thats pretty much my reactions to each of those decisions/ events as well. |
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Post by devondumpling on Aug 7, 2024 9:09:22 GMT
Thought they got promoted?
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Post by thestatusquo on Aug 7, 2024 10:58:14 GMT
You’ll have your initial reaction and every action thereafter will either be a positive or a negative stimulus to your overall opinion. I’ll have a go at explaining mine. JW appointed interim TD What the fuck! Negative. I fucking hated it. Football we played soon after his arrival which has now been said was the players wishes not his. Negative I fucking hated it. Upturn in form and joyous football right at the end of the season. Oh he isn’t dictating to Schu how the team must play after all. Positive I fucking loved it Initial signings early and seemingly decent even if I didn’t want us signing older players. A ball playing CB and an attacking LB. Positive he’s not just trying to mimic Pulis/Dyche. Binning JD Brain dead a recruitment model that has unearthed gems at a frankly unbelievable rate binned after less than a year. Negative. I fucking hated it. Employing Darnbrough. The more you read about him the less impressed you get and that’s before you even get to his strange verging on paranoid way of operating. Negative. Very negative. Links to some decent players. Ugbo, Stansfield, Cannon, McBurnie etc Positive Deals not concluded quickly for any of them. Negative. Signing Gallagher. Well he’s a CF possibly the least exciting most underwhelming CF I could have thought of but a CF nevertheless. Neutral. Seeming inability to conclude deals either in or out in a timely fashion. Negative. So my initial reaction/judgement was far from positive and on balance of events it’s become more negative not less. Thats pretty much my reactions to each of those decisions/ events as well. I can hear you Clem Fandango ! |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 7, 2024 11:40:02 GMT
Jury is still out,his rallying call near the end if last season worked but we need a lot more than rallying calls,we need bodies in,& decent bodies at that,because having the likes of Ennis leading the line is just incompetence.
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Post by ceejays on Aug 10, 2024 2:29:21 GMT
It is suggested that the Japanese player SJW referred to is a Huddersfield guy . If this be true then that doesn’t count John . Meanwhile our latest arrival has a Walters connection. So LD ( worked for Burnley - ok not at time Walters was ther but nevertheless) Gibson ( Walters connection) now Bosun . So seems the model outlined at 2023 Q and A has been scrapped. At the very point of unearthing Junho Burger Manhoef we revert to type . LD seems to be good at domestic high profile loans with Liverpool. Cavalho for Hull now Koumas. One thing that came out of the fans forum is that SJW is a good talker . Just a bit more personable and likeable than his predecessor.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 10, 2024 7:11:09 GMT
It is suggested that the Japanese player SJW referred to is a Huddersfield guy . If this be true then that doesn’t count John . Meanwhile our latest arrival has a Walters connection. So LD ( worked for Burnley - ok not at time Walters was ther but nevertheless) Gibson ( Walters connection) now Bosun . So seems the model outlined at 2023 Q and A has been scrapped. At the very point of unearthing Junho Burger Manhoef we revert to type . LD seems to be good at domestic high profile loans with Liverpool. Cavalho for Hull now Koumas. One thing that came out of the fans forum is that SJW is a good talker . Just a bit more personable and likeable than his predecessor. I think the fans forum was a lot less informative than last years event. Maybe that’s what people want to see personalities they like rather than unearthing answers about the inner workings of the club, the terms of reference and boundaries of the roles and any sort of detailed vision of the future. Far too much we just want to do better, we want to be in the premier league very light on any sort of blueprint to get there. Not for me but if that’s what people like and want it serves a purpose. |
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Post by premieraj on Aug 10, 2024 7:19:16 GMT
I just wanted to have confirmed that the head coach still had the final say on a signing.
I just don’t know anymore?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 10, 2024 7:22:36 GMT
Anyone now thinks we have ( Simon King apart ) a team at the top who can take us to the next level ? Well we are unbeaten in the league so far this season so who knows? We’re 18th FFS😉 |
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