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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 19, 2024 23:12:32 GMT
If being accused of romanticism is too offending for you I'll leave you be. I know Brixton very well I've spent many a weekend there. But I'll tell you it ain't the parts of Blackburn Burnley and Bolton I could take you to that's for sure..
Which has absolutely zero to do with the thread. I literally said that where I have lived is irrelevant and that you knew nothing about where I have lived, save (so I wasn't accused of lying) for a couple of places I have mentioned on this board before.
It is possible to have opinions on things without living (or having lived) there you know. The 'London' thread would half in size if that wasn't the case. Are your opinions on (say) Trump or Putin worthless then?
And I can bet me house on the fact the only time you've been to Blackburn or Burnley is to watch Stoke. I've done every street and analysed the demographic. It was and is my job š
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 19, 2024 23:13:27 GMT
Which has absolutely zero to do with the thread. I literally said that where I have lived is irrelevant and that you knew nothing about where I have lived, save (so I wasn't accused of lying) for a couple of places I have mentioned on this board before.
It is possible to have opinions on things without living (or having lived) there you know. The 'London' thread would half in size if that wasn't the case. Are your opinions on (say) Trump or Putin worthless then?
Putin, trump. Jeez your deflection is going crazy. Let's agree to leave it. All you'll do now is pick up idiotic points to find a win.
No I'm challenging the points that you are making, which I think are wrong.
I'm saying that you don't need to live or have lived somewhere to have an opinion on what's going on there, it's absolutely nothing to do with deflection
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 19, 2024 23:15:22 GMT
Which has absolutely zero to do with the thread. I literally said that where I have lived is irrelevant and that you knew nothing about where I have lived, save (so I wasn't accused of lying) for a couple of places I have mentioned on this board before.
It is possible to have opinions on things without living (or having lived) there you know. The 'London' thread would half in size if that wasn't the case. Are your opinions on (say) Trump or Putin worthless then?
And I can bet me house on the fact the only time you've been to Blackburn or Burnley is to watch Stoke. I've done every street and analysed the demographic. It was and is my job š
So that makes your opinion of greater importance then, does it?
Oh and I was born in Preston mate.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 19, 2024 23:18:00 GMT
If being accused of romanticism is too offending for you I'll leave you be. I know Brixton very well I've spent many a weekend there. But I'll tell you it ain't the parts of Blackburn Burnley and Bolton I could take you to that's for sure.. Which has absolutely zero to do with the thread. I literally said that where I have lived is irrelevant and that you knew nothing about where I have lived, save (so I wasn't accused of lying) for a couple of places I have mentioned on this board before. It is possible to have opinions on things without living (or having lived) there you know. The 'London' thread would half in size if that wasn't the case. Are your opinions on (say) Trump or Putin worthless then?
To be fair Paul Iām always getting hammered on the London thread because I donāt live there anymore and being told I donāt know what Iām talking about re crime and feeling safe and that my opinions are pointless / have no substance by those that currently live there, some of whom are the most vocal on this thread. I think there was even a recent comment that went down the lines of those that knock London the most are the ones that donāt live there so their opinions are irrelevant / wrong and weāre right because we live there.
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Post by musik on Jul 19, 2024 23:19:39 GMT
Starkey also said Slavery was not genocide because of the survival of "so many damn blacks". Do you consider him a role model ? Multiculturalism can succeed. But not when you do it at unprecedented rates when the local population are on their arses because of wank govt policies for decades. Why do you fail to have empathy for those who are already fucked. I mean why. They ain't moving into the lovely shires are they. Nah they're being chucked on top of the already fucked. And you wonder why is there a fuss. Cognitive dissonance at its finest. God help us... When there is a lack of resources or will be, it can't be done. It's easy to compare with the animals. If the lion is full, it won't eat you. But do we have such a permanent situation anywhere in the world? I don't think so. Many foreigners think Sweden, but absolutely not! And do people have limitations concerning what they are willing to sacrifice for others? I think so. So the Experiment is bound to fail. We need a reset.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 19, 2024 23:21:45 GMT
Which has absolutely zero to do with the thread. I literally said that where I have lived is irrelevant and that you knew nothing about where I have lived, save (so I wasn't accused of lying) for a couple of places I have mentioned on this board before. It is possible to have opinions on things without living (or having lived) there you know. The 'London' thread would half in size if that wasn't the case. Are your opinions on (say) Trump or Putin worthless then?
To be fair Paul Iām always getting hammered on the London thread because I donāt live there anymore and being told I donāt know what Iām talking about re crime and feeling safe and that my opinions are pointless / have no substance by those that currently live there, some of whom are the most vocal on here. I think there was even a recent comment that went down the lines of those that knock London the most are the ones that donāt live there so their opinions are irrelevant / wrong.
And do you think that's right?
That's the point I'm making mate.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 19, 2024 23:21:52 GMT
And I can bet me house on the fact the only time you've been to Blackburn or Burnley is to watch Stoke. I've done every street and analysed the demographic. It was and is my job š
So that makes your opinion of greater value then, does it?
Oh and I was born in Preston mate.
Yes it does. Of course it does I know these areas better than you do. And I bet your parents wouldn't take you to the arse end of Blackburn or Burnley for a kick about in the local sink estate park when you were a nipper š and despite decades of improved racial relations the situation has got worse in these areas. Who'd have thoughtš¤
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Post by wannabee on Jul 19, 2024 23:24:13 GMT
Starkey also said Slavery was not genocide because of the survival of "so many damn blacks". Do you consider him a role model ? Multiculturalism can succeed. But not when you do it at unprecedented rates when the local population are on their arses because of wank govt policies for decades. Why do you fail to have empathy for those who are already fucked. I mean why. They ain't moving into the lovely shires are they. Nah they're being chucked on top of the already fucked. And you wonder why is there a fuss. Cognitive dissonance at its finest. God help us... But Starkey was equally Bigoted and Racist about Immigrants who do move into the Shires when he said Rishi Sunak was not fully invested in Charlie 111 Coronation because he was not not "fully grounded in our cultureā. Apologies if I have got the wrong person but didn't you say you come from at least a partial Irish Heritage, what's the difference?
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Post by foster on Jul 19, 2024 23:25:12 GMT
Which has absolutely zero to do with the thread. I literally said that where I have lived is irrelevant and that you knew nothing about where I have lived, save (so I wasn't accused of lying) for a couple of places I have mentioned on this board before. It is possible to have opinions on things without living (or having lived) there you know. The 'London' thread would half in size if that wasn't the case. Are your opinions on (say) Trump or Putin worthless then?
Putin, trump. Jeez your deflection is going crazy. Let's agree to leave it. All you'll do now is pick up idiotic points to find a win. That's his MO. You see what's happened since Paul came? He's spammed the thread and completely deflected from the topic. And he wonders why people don't debate and get childish with him, but it's really because we know what he's like and can't be arsed repeatedly banging our heads against a wall. There's a long list of posters that can't be bothered engaging with Perfect Paul He's a bit of a joke on here now.
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Post by sticky on Jul 19, 2024 23:29:08 GMT
Just watched charlie veitch gone up there today on you tube, worth a watch (and yes I know he can be a bit of a knob) gives you more of a visual of the area and people knocking about
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Post by wannabee on Jul 19, 2024 23:32:13 GMT
I ain't joining in any sniggering Paul. But I suspect you and some notable others ain't getting involved in this thread too much because its becoming harder and harder to just keep turning around and claiming people with obvious amd legitimate concerns are simply bigoted idiots. There is a growing problem and you know it. Considering the Bile Queen Natalie spouts on her X Account I doubt that she and the courageous young lady have much in common The young lady was trying to explain to the assholes they are welcome but not if the engage in tearing up the neighbourhood and criminal activities like selling drugs. Very sensible for one so young.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 19, 2024 23:32:31 GMT
Multiculturalism can succeed. But not when you do it at unprecedented rates when the local population are on their arses because of wank govt policies for decades. Why do you fail to have empathy for those who are already fucked. I mean why. They ain't moving into the lovely shires are they. Nah they're being chucked on top of the already fucked. And you wonder why is there a fuss. Cognitive dissonance at its finest. God help us... But Starkey was equally Bigoted and Racist about Immigrants who do move into the Shires when he said Rishi Sunak was not fully invested in Charlie 111 Coronation because he was not not "fully grounded in our cultureā. Apologies if I have got the wrong person but didn't you say you come from at least a partial Irish Heritage, what's the difference? The difference chief is I fully embrace England. And to be fair at the distain of some of my family. I was born here and I respect the culture. I also happen to love the Irish because its my heritage from both my parents and beyond. So I could claim to be Irish but I don't. Born in England and proud of it. Great country. By all standards one of the best in the world..
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 19, 2024 23:33:53 GMT
So that makes your opinion of greater value then, does it?
Oh and I was born in Preston mate.
Yes it does. Of course it does I know these areas better than you do. And I bet your parents wouldn't take you to the arse end of Blackburn or Burnley for a kick about in the local sink estate park when you were a nipper š and despite decades of improved racial relations the situation has got worse in these areas. Who'd have thoughtš¤
Mate if your starting point, is that your opinion is more important than mine, purely due to your job, then I'm afraid there's nothing more for us to discuss.
I'll debate you all night long on every facet of the topic of immigration but if, from the outset, you already believe that my opinion on the topic is going to be inferior to yours, then it's pretty pointless.
There are far more elements that make up a persons opinion than what they do for a living. Politics being one of them. There could be somebody who does your job (and with the same experience) who categorically disagrees with your opinion on immigration, due to them having a different political outlook to you.
But hey, if your job experience makes your opinions on immigration right, then hell, how could I possibly argue?
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Post by foster on Jul 19, 2024 23:38:21 GMT
Considering the Bile Queen Natalie spouts on her X Account I doubt that she and the courageous young lady have much in commonĀ The young lady was trying to explain to the assholes they are welcome but not if the engage in tearing up the neighbourhood and criminal activities like selling drugs. Very sensible for one so young. Or very social media savvy. I'd like to think that was real but why is someone recording it at that specific moment. I don't trust anything these days. She may well have been acting purely for likes followers, subscribers, etc. You can deepfake voices, images and videos so social media is becoming even less reliable.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 19, 2024 23:38:31 GMT
Yes it does. Of course it does I know these areas better than you do. And I bet your parents wouldn't take you to the arse end of Blackburn or Burnley for a kick about in the local sink estate park when you were a nipper š and despite decades of improved racial relations the situation has got worse in these areas. Who'd have thoughtš¤
Mate if your starting point, is that your opinion is more important than mine, purely due to your job, then I'm afraid there's nothing more for us to discuss.
I'll debate you all night long on every facet of the topic of immigration but if, from the outset, you already believe that my opinion on the topic is going to be inferior to yours, then it's pretty pointless.
There are far more elements that make up a persons opinion than what they do for a living. Politics being one of them. There could be somebody who does your job (and with the same experience) who categorically disagrees with your opinion on immigration, due to them having a different political outlook to you.
But hey, if your job experience makes your opinions on immigration right, then hell, how could I possibly argue?
The point is Paul that person doing the same job as me won't have a different opinion if they are honest, because massive business decisions are just fact, based on insane amounts of data and the rest just follows. Follow the money, it always tells you the truth in the end..
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 19, 2024 23:42:19 GMT
Mate if your starting point, is that your opinion is more important than mine, purely due to your job, then I'm afraid there's nothing more for us to discuss.
I'll debate you all night long on every facet of the topic of immigration but if, from the outset, you already believe that my opinion on the topic is going to be inferior to yours, then it's pretty pointless.
There are far more elements that make up a persons opinion than what they do for a living. Politics being one of them. There could be somebody who does your job (and with the same experience) who categorically disagrees with your opinion on immigration, due to them having a different political outlook to you.
But hey, if your job experience makes your opinions on immigration right, then hell, how could I possibly argue?
The point is Paul that person doing the same job as me won't have a different opinion if they are honest, because massive business decisions are just fact, based on insane amounts of data and the rest just follows. Follow the money, it always tells you the truth in the end..
Of course they won't Mickey, of course they won't.
As I said, there is absolutely nothing left for us to discuss.
I respect your opinion mate but I genuinely don't see how we can discuss it any further.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 19, 2024 23:44:28 GMT
Most amusing
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 19, 2024 23:47:09 GMT
The point is Paul that person doing the same job as me won't have a different opinion if they are honest, because massive business decisions are just fact, based on insane amounts of data and the rest just follows. Follow the money, it always tells you the truth in the end..
Of course they won't Mickey, of course they won't.
As I said, there is absolutely nothing left for us to discuss.
I respect your opinion mate but I genuinely don't see how we can discuss it any further.
Fair enough pal. I'm just tipping over the inebriated line so cool by me. You'll trounce me if I keep going š š¤£
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Post by starkiller on Jul 19, 2024 23:53:39 GMT
Considering the Bile Queen Natalie spouts on her X Account I doubt that she and the courageous young lady have much in commonĀ The young lady was trying to explain to the assholes they are welcome but not if the engage in tearing up the neighbourhood and criminal activities like selling drugs. Very sensible for one so young. No endorsement of the source, but simply a way of posting the video.
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Post by scfc1863 on Jul 19, 2024 23:58:46 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 20, 2024 0:00:25 GMT
To be fair Paul Iām always getting hammered on the London thread because I donāt live there anymore and being told I donāt know what Iām talking about re crime and feeling safe and that my opinions are pointless / have no substance by those that currently live there, some of whom are the most vocal on here. I think there was even a recent comment that went down the lines of those that knock London the most are the ones that donāt live there so their opinions are irrelevant / wrong. And do you think that's right? That's the point I'm making mate.
This was on the London thread āJudging by this thread, people who donāt live in London who are generally to the right more than the left in their politics lap it up.ā Liked by you. Doesnāt that suggest that people who donāt live in London or are on the right are fools. Iām not going to stand here and say Iām not a hypocrite (Iāve been called it enough). But it does stink a bit of double standards.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 20, 2024 0:02:23 GMT
Considering the Bile Queen Natalie spouts on her X Account I doubt that she and the courageous young lady have much in commonĀ The young lady was trying to explain to the assholes they are welcome but not if the engage in tearing up the neighbourhood and criminal activities like selling drugs. Very sensible for one so young. Another like. Bloody hell this is getting embarrassing
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Post by foster on Jul 20, 2024 0:03:53 GMT
Totally different. 1) 2 people died 2) The riot occurred afterwards due to the spread of misinformation on social media In the Leeds case it was a case of arse holes causing disruption because they had nothing better to do. It was relatively instant and totally unwarranted.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 20, 2024 0:26:56 GMT
Considering the Bile Queen Natalie spouts on her X Account I doubt that she and the courageous young lady have much in common The young lady was trying to explain to the assholes they are welcome but not if the engage in tearing up the neighbourhood and criminal activities like selling drugs. Very sensible for one so young. Or very social media savvy. I'd like to think that was real but why is someone recording it at that specific moment. I don't trust anything these days. She may well have been acting purely for likes followers, subscribers, etc. You can deepfake voices, images and videos so social media is becoming even less reliable. You may have a point, who the fuck knows these days
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Post by foster on Jul 20, 2024 0:30:40 GMT
Or very social media savvy. I'd like to think that was real but why is someone recording it at that specific moment. I don't trust anything these days. She may well have been acting purely for likes followers, subscribers, etc. You can deepfake voices, images and videos so social media is becoming even less reliable. You may have a point, who the fuck knows these days Exactly mate. I'm still unsure whether you're real or some kind of defect version of chatgpt and copilot. Whereas Badge is clearly some leftover code from the commodore 64.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 20, 2024 0:44:13 GMT
You may have a point, who the fuck knows these days Exactly mate. I'm still unsure whether you're real or some kind of defect version of chatgpt and copilot. Whereas Badge is clearly some leftover code from the commodore 64. It's actually quite embarrassing I've been reprogramed due to the Crowdstrike Cybersecurity Breach and have lost all control over my postings It may take a day or two to untangle the snafu
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 20, 2024 0:56:32 GMT
And do you think that's right? That's the point I'm making mate.
This was on the London thread āJudging by this thread, people who donāt live in London who are generally to the right more than the left in their politics lap it up.ā Liked by you. Doesnāt that suggest that people who donāt live in London or are on the right are fools. Iām not going to stand here and say Iām not a hypocrite (Iāve been called it enough). But it does stink a bit of double standards. No it means that I think people to the right are more sympathetic to that kind of rhetoric. I haven't remotely said that that makes them fools.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 20, 2024 1:04:45 GMT
But Starkey was equally Bigoted and Racist about Immigrants who do move into the Shires when he said Rishi Sunak was not fully invested in Charlie 111 Coronation because he was not not "fully grounded in our cultureā. Apologies if I have got the wrong person but didn't you say you come from at least a partial Irish Heritage, what's the difference? The difference chief is I fully embrace England. And to be fair at the distain of some of my family. I was born here and I respect the culture. I also happen to love the Irish because its my heritage from both my parents and beyond. So I could claim to be Irish but I don't. Born in England and proud of it. Great country. By all standards one of the best in the world.. But don't you recognise that your Parents choice gave you the choice to make that decision or alternatively you can embrace your heritage while still being a good citizen The person we were discussing was Starkey who will not accept that people like you, well maybe not exactly like you and we know why, but Sunak can never be accepted as British because he's not "fully grounded in our culture" It is people who believe like Starkey who are the problem, equally so are immigrants who can legitimately retain their culture but not to the exclusion of respecting the culture they have chosen to live in.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 20, 2024 7:03:43 GMT
Literally every weekend you go out of your way to derail threads like this one and argue with other posters. Have you nothing better to do with your time* other than be a killjoy and try to undermine other people? You claim to be discussing arguments, but really you're just making arguments out of nothing to suit your own agenda and make it all about Paul. On this Leeds debate you've already derailed it with your personal history that no one gives a fuck about. Truly sad. You really are utterly tedious. I've already said to you that I'm not interesting in conversing with you, if you're not capable of having a discussion about the actual topic. You're just spamming the thread. *Blimey I was accused of avoiding the thread today further up the page! He's not tedious, he's just angry.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 20, 2024 7:07:07 GMT
Some people on the EEB do think the world revolves around them. Where is Paul Spencer anyway? You'll wish you'd never asked by page 9 š
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