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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 19, 2024 21:14:12 GMT
Where is Paul Spencer anyway? probably in Leeds seeing if any white people are kicking off You're like a bunch of primary school children, sniggering at how clever you all are, when in actual fact, it's all rather pathetic. I would never, ever, attack any of you personally for your views, especially when you weren't even contributing to the discussion. If that's what gets you off, then be my guest, you crack on but I'd rather not contribute to such silliness.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 19, 2024 21:23:37 GMT
probably in Leeds seeing if any white people are kicking off You're like a bunch of primary school children, sniggering at how clever you all are, when in actual fact, it's all rather pathetic. I would never, ever, attack any of you personally for your views, especially when you weren't even contributing to the discussion. If that's what gets you off, then be my guest, you crack on but I'd rather not contribute to such silliness. I ain't joining in any sniggering Paul. But I suspect you and some notable others ain't getting involved in this thread too much because its becoming harder and harder to just keep turning around and claiming people with obvious amd legitimate concerns are simply bigoted idiots. There is a growing problem and you know it.
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Post by foster on Jul 19, 2024 21:42:06 GMT
You're like a bunch of primary school children, sniggering at how clever you all are, when in actual fact, it's all rather pathetic. I would never, ever, attack any of you personally for your views, especially when you weren't even contributing to the discussion. If that's what gets you off, then be my guest, you crack on but I'd rather not contribute to such silliness. I ain't joining in any sniggering Paul. But I suspect you and some notable others ain't getting involved in this thread too much because its becoming harder and harder to just keep turning around and claiming people with obvious amd legitimate concerns are simply bigoted idiots. There is a growing problem and you know it. Spot on mate. The best they can do is call people childish and pathetic. Says it all really.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 19, 2024 21:45:42 GMT
You're like a bunch of primary school children, sniggering at how clever you all are, when in actual fact, it's all rather pathetic. I would never, ever, attack any of you personally for your views, especially when you weren't even contributing to the discussion. If that's what gets you off, then be my guest, you crack on but I'd rather not contribute to such silliness. I ain't joining in any sniggering Paul. But I suspect you and some notable others ain't getting involved in this thread too much because its becoming harder and harder to just keep turning around and claiming people with obvious amd legitimate concerns are simply bigoted idiots. There is a growing problem and you know it. 1. You're wrong. I contributed to the thread literally as the riots were happening last night. It just happens to have been a beautiful day and I chose to do other activities today if that's OK with you? It wouldn't have taken much to actually check my posting history today and realise that I hadn't posted on any other threads either, before making your unfounded allegations, would it? 2. Find me a single post of mine, where I've accused anybody of being a 'bigoted idiot'. I'll save you the bother because it doesnt exist, you've literally just made that up, it's a lie. 3. I don't believe there is a growing problem whatsoever. We've been told time and time again since the 60's that Britain's society/culture is about to collapse due to immigration and guess what, 60's years on, it still hasn't happened. 6% of the British population is Muslim, the vast majority of which simply want to get on with their lives and have zero interest in overthrowing the status quo. To believe that such a tiny percentage of the population could bring the country down is absolutely bizarre imo. But the Farage's of this world thrive on peddling this fear. There's people like him who have had similar agendas for the past 60 years but each and everyone of them have ultimately been exposed for the charlatans that they are.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 19, 2024 22:02:37 GMT
Got to say, from what we've seen so far, I think the police are handling the situation perfectly. Instead of going in on mass and providing the rioters with a tangible target, they have, by keeping an extremely low profile, allowed the situation to run out of it's own steam. What a pussy outlook. No wonder the police are scared when this is considered as the perfect behaviour. Could be people injured, scared, being abused, but yeah, let's hide and wait until it calms down. I literally said that no injuries had been reported in the post - but you've chosen to edit that out. Extremely disingenuous on your part. I think it needs to be recognised just how difficult it is for the police to deal with such situations. Nobody was injured and if they felt that by going in heavy handed it may have created a situation where injuries became more likely, then I don't think they're being pussies about it, far from it, I actually think that they're being extremely brave, as they know they'll come in for lots of criticism for taking such a stance. But if they can keep injuries down through their (albeit progressive) style of policing, then I think they should be applauded, rather than vilified.
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Post by foster on Jul 19, 2024 22:05:10 GMT
What a pussy outlook. No wonder the police are scared when this is considered as the perfect behaviour. Could be people injured, scared, being abused, but yeah, let's hide and wait until it calms down. I literally said that no injuries had been reported in the post - but you've chosen to edit that out. Extremely disingenuous on your part. I think it needs to be recognised just how difficult it is for the police to deal with such situations. Nobody was injured and if they felt that by going in heavy handed it may have created a situation where injuries became more likely, then I don't think they're being pussies about it, far from it, I actually think that they're being extremely brave, as they know they'll come in for lots of criticism for taking such a stance. But if they can keep injuries down through their (albeit progressive) style of policing, then I think they should be applauded, rather than vilified. Not disingenuous. The post is there. I just didn't want bore everyone with your entire post and wanted to reply to a specific part of it. In any case, you're right Paul....as usual Perfect Paul 1 - 0 Everyone else.
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Post by ian57 on Jul 19, 2024 22:07:02 GMT
You're like a bunch of primary school children, sniggering at how clever you all are, when in actual fact, it's all rather pathetic. I would never, ever, attack any of you personally for your views, especially when you weren't even contributing to the discussion. If that's what gets you off, then be my guest, you crack on but I'd rather not contribute to such silliness. I ain't joining in any sniggering Paul. But I suspect you and some notable others ain't getting involved in this thread too much because its becoming harder and harder to just keep turning around and claiming people with obvious amd legitimate concerns are simply bigoted idiots. There is a growing problem and you know it. because seeing they see not and hearing they hear not matthew13:13 praise the lord 🙏
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Post by foster on Jul 19, 2024 22:11:48 GMT
I ain't joining in any sniggering Paul. But I suspect you and some notable others ain't getting involved in this thread too much because its becoming harder and harder to just keep turning around and claiming people with obvious amd legitimate concerns are simply bigoted idiots. There is a growing problem and you know it. because seeing they see not and hearing they hear not matthew13:13 praise the lord 🙏 I hope Matthew had that approved by Pope Paul before he put it in The bible.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 19, 2024 22:16:33 GMT
because seeing they see not and hearing they hear not matthew13:13 praise the lord 🙏 I hope Matthew had that approved by Pope Paul before he put it in The bible. Utterly childish.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 19, 2024 22:17:35 GMT
I ain't joining in any sniggering Paul. But I suspect you and some notable others ain't getting involved in this thread too much because its becoming harder and harder to just keep turning around and claiming people with obvious amd legitimate concerns are simply bigoted idiots. There is a growing problem and you know it. 1. You're wrong. I contributed to the thread literally as the riots were happening last night. It just happens to have been a beautiful day and I chose to do other activities today if that's OK with you? It wouldn't have taken much to actually check my posting history today and realise that I hadn't posted on any other threads either, before making your unfounded allegations, would it? 2. Find me a single post of mine, where I've accused anybody of being a 'bigoted idiot'. I'll save you the bother because it doesnt exist, you've literally just made that up, it's a lie. 3. I don't believe there is a growing problem whatsoever. We've been told time and time again since the 60's that Britain's society/culture is about to collapse due to immigration and guess what, 60's years on, it still hasn't happened. 6% of the British population is Muslim, the vast majority of which simply want to get on with their lives and have zero interest in overthrowing the status quote. To believe that such a tiny percentage of the population could bring the country down is absolutely bizarre imo. But the Farage's of this world thrive on peddling this fear. There's people like him who have had similar agendas for the past 60 years but each and everyone of them have ultimately been exposed for the charlatans that they are. Ive never looked at anyone's posting history. I've more to do in life. Plus I don't really know how to do it. I'm a land buyer by trade and I've literally travelled every road across the NW and a bit beyond over the last 30 years. I can see whats coming down the pipe. It actually changes national developers buying strategies. We've been failed by every administration since Blair on unfettered immigration is my opinion. Not because I'm a racist but because I have a brain and i can see when unprecedented rapid change to an established society can really mess things up. Producing your agitators like your Yaxley lennon nob heads. You keep your head in the sand chief its all A ok obviously in your world. Don't know where you reside but I'm suspecting it ain't in an area being overwhelmed with more and more people who ain't that bothered about who currently live there. This ain't the swinging 60s by the way either. The world has changed👍
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Post by ian57 on Jul 19, 2024 22:17:46 GMT
because seeing they see not and hearing they hear not matthew13:13 praise the lord 🙏 I hope Matthew had that approved by Pope Paul before he put it in The bible. 😁
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Post by foster on Jul 19, 2024 22:17:58 GMT
I hope Matthew had that approved by Pope Paul before he put it in The bible. Utterly childish. Mathew isn't that immature mate. And it's not utterly childish, it's
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 19, 2024 22:30:45 GMT
1. You're wrong. I contributed to the thread literally as the riots were happening last night. It just happens to have been a beautiful day and I chose to do other activities today if that's OK with you? It wouldn't have taken much to actually check my posting history today and realise that I hadn't posted on any other threads either, before making your unfounded allegations, would it? 2. Find me a single post of mine, where I've accused anybody of being a 'bigoted idiot'. I'll save you the bother because it doesnt exist, you've literally just made that up, it's a lie. 3. I don't believe there is a growing problem whatsoever. We've been told time and time again since the 60's that Britain's society/culture is about to collapse due to immigration and guess what, 60's years on, it still hasn't happened. 6% of the British population is Muslim, the vast majority of which simply want to get on with their lives and have zero interest in overthrowing the status quote. To believe that such a tiny percentage of the population could bring the country down is absolutely bizarre imo. But the Farage's of this world thrive on peddling this fear. There's people like him who have had similar agendas for the past 60 years but each and everyone of them have ultimately been exposed for the charlatans that they are. Ive never looked at anyone's posting history. I've more to do in life. Plus I don't really know how to do it. I'm a land buyer by trade and I've literally travelled every road across the NW and a bit beyond over the last 30 years. I can see whats coming down the pipe. It actually changes national developers buying strategies. We've been failed by every administration since Blair on unfettered immigration is my opinion. Not because I'm a racist but because I have a brain and i can see when unprecedented rapid change to an established society can really mess things up. Producing your agitators like your Yaxley lennon nob heads. You keep your head in the sand chief its all A ok obviously in your world. Don't know where you reside but I'm suspecting it ain't in an area being overwhelmed with more and more people who ain't that bothered about who currently live there. This ain't the swinging 60s by the way either. The world has changed👍
Well the thread you've accused me of avoiding, for completely bogus reasons, actually has more posts on it created by me than it does by you. So maybe you should take a little more care before banding about such unfounded accusations, do you not think?
Yes I know that you think immigration is a big problem but I wouldn't ever accuse you of having your head in the sand for doing so, or accuse you of everything being ok in your world. We have different opinions, that's all. Where I live is completely irrelevant and you have absolutely no idea about my history, save to say that Ive mentioned on here a few time that I spent my teenage years living in Brixton and many of mine and my wife's family are from Croydon.
I didn't suggest that we are living in the swinging sixties either, I said that for 60 years, we've had people (with their own agendas) telling us that British society was about to be taken over by immigrants, unless we took action double quick and over that time, it never happened, not remotely.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 19, 2024 22:37:48 GMT
Ive never looked at anyone's posting history. I've more to do in life. Plus I don't really know how to do it. I'm a land buyer by trade and I've literally travelled every road across the NW and a bit beyond over the last 30 years. I can see whats coming down the pipe. It actually changes national developers buying strategies. We've been failed by every administration since Blair on unfettered immigration is my opinion. Not because I'm a racist but because I have a brain and i can see when unprecedented rapid change to an established society can really mess things up. Producing your agitators like your Yaxley lennon nob heads. You keep your head in the sand chief its all A ok obviously in your world. Don't know where you reside but I'm suspecting it ain't in an area being overwhelmed with more and more people who ain't that bothered about who currently live there. This ain't the swinging 60s by the way either. The world has changed👍
Well the thread you've accused me of avoiding, for completely bogus reasons, actually has more posts on it created by me than it does by you. So maybe you should take a little more care before banding about such unfounded accusations, do you not think?
Yes I know that you think immigration is a big problem but I wouldn't ever accuse you of having your head in the sand for doing so, or accuse you of everything being ok in your world. We have different opinions, that's all. Where I live is completely irrelevant and you have absolutely no idea about my history, save to say that Ive mentioned on here a few time that I spent my teenage years living in Brixton and many of mine and my wife's family are from Croydon.
I didn't suggest that we are living in the swinging sixties either, I said that for 60 years, we've had people (with their own agendas) telling us that British society was about to be taken over by immigrants, unless we took action double quick and over that time, it never happened.
Your romanticism for a hip and trendy Brixton is what's irrelevant here. My own brother lived there for 20 years when working for the Met police. It has no relevance to what is brewing across the ignored Northern regions of which I've traversed the last 30 years. Northern regions I'm guessing you virtue about having been ignored. Keep deflecting but the situation is changing rapidly...
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Post by foster on Jul 19, 2024 22:45:40 GMT
Ive never looked at anyone's posting history. I've more to do in life. Plus I don't really know how to do it. I'm a land buyer by trade and I've literally travelled every road across the NW and a bit beyond over the last 30 years. I can see whats coming down the pipe. It actually changes national developers buying strategies. We've been failed by every administration since Blair on unfettered immigration is my opinion. Not because I'm a racist but because I have a brain and i can see when unprecedented rapid change to an established society can really mess things up. Producing your agitators like your Yaxley lennon nob heads. You keep your head in the sand chief its all A ok obviously in your world. Don't know where you reside but I'm suspecting it ain't in an area being overwhelmed with more and more people who ain't that bothered about who currently live there. This ain't the swinging 60s by the way either. The world has changed👍 Well the thread you've accused me of avoiding, for completely bogus reasons, actually has more posts on it created by me than it does by you. So maybe you should take a little more care before banding about such unfounded accusations, do you not think? Yes I know that you think immigration is a big problem but I wouldn't ever accuse you of having your head in the sand for doing so, or accuse you of everything being ok in your world. We have different opinions, that's all. Where I live is completely irrelevant and you have absolutely no idea about my history, save to say that Ive mentioned on here a few time that I spent my teenage years living in Brixton and many of mine and my wife's family are from Croydon. I didn't suggest that we are living in the swinging sixties either, I said that for 60 years, we've had people (with their own agendas) telling us that British society was about to be taken over by immigrants, unless we took action double quick and over that time, it never happened, not remotely.
Literally every weekend you go out of your way to derail threads like this one and argue with other posters. Have you nothing better to do with your time other than be a killjoy and try to undermine other people? You claim to be discussing arguments, but really you're just making arguments out of nothing to suit your own agenda and make it all about Paul. On this Leeds debate you've already derailed it with your personal history that no one gives a fuck about. Truly sad.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 19, 2024 22:47:47 GMT
Well the thread you've accused me of avoiding, for completely bogus reasons, actually has more posts on it created by me than it does by you. So maybe you should take a little more care before banding about such unfounded accusations, do you not think?
Yes I know that you think immigration is a big problem but I wouldn't ever accuse you of having your head in the sand for doing so, or accuse you of everything being ok in your world. We have different opinions, that's all. Where I live is completely irrelevant and you have absolutely no idea about my history, save to say that Ive mentioned on here a few time that I spent my teenage years living in Brixton and many of mine and my wife's family are from Croydon.
I didn't suggest that we are living in the swinging sixties either, I said that for 60 years, we've had people (with their own agendas) telling us that British society was about to be taken over by immigrants, unless we took action double quick and over that time, it never happened.
Your romanticism for a hip and trendy Brixton is what's irrelevant here. My own brother lived there for 20 years when working for the Met police. It has no relevance to what is brewing across the ignored Northern regions of which I've traversed the last 30 years. Northern regions I'm guessing you virtue about having been ignored. Keep deflecting but the situation is changing rapidly...
I'm not deflecting anything, I've answered each one of your points politely and in full, without having to resort to any personal contributions about yourself.
Whereas you have elected to avoid most of my points and chosen to accuse me of romanticism and being virtuous. It simply isn't necessary, (as I said) we simply have differing opinions, that's all.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 19, 2024 22:49:57 GMT
Well the thread you've accused me of avoiding, for completely bogus reasons, actually has more posts on it created by me than it does by you. So maybe you should take a little more care before banding about such unfounded accusations, do you not think? Yes I know that you think immigration is a big problem but I wouldn't ever accuse you of having your head in the sand for doing so, or accuse you of everything being ok in your world. We have different opinions, that's all. Where I live is completely irrelevant and you have absolutely no idea about my history, save to say that Ive mentioned on here a few time that I spent my teenage years living in Brixton and many of mine and my wife's family are from Croydon. I didn't suggest that we are living in the swinging sixties either, I said that for 60 years, we've had people (with their own agendas) telling us that British society was about to be taken over by immigrants, unless we took action double quick and over that time, it never happened, not remotely.
Literally every weekend you go out of your way to derail threads like this one and argue with other posters. Have you nothing better to do with your time* other than be a killjoy and try to undermine other people? You claim to be discussing arguments, but really you're just making arguments out of nothing to suit your own agenda and make it all about Paul. On this Leeds debate you've already derailed it with your personal history that no one gives a fuck about. Truly sad.
You really are utterly tedious.
I've already said to you that I'm not interesting in conversing with you, if you're not capable of having a discussion about the actual topic.
You're just spamming the thread.
*Blimey I was accused of avoiding the thread today further up the page!
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Post by wannabee on Jul 19, 2024 22:51:35 GMT
You're like a bunch of primary school children, sniggering at how clever you all are, when in actual fact, it's all rather pathetic. I would never, ever, attack any of you personally for your views, especially when you weren't even contributing to the discussion. If that's what gets you off, then be my guest, you crack on but I'd rather not contribute to such silliness. I ain't joining in any sniggering Paul. But I suspect you and some notable others ain't getting involved in this thread too much because its becoming harder and harder to just keep turning around and claiming people with obvious amd legitimate concerns are simply bigoted idiots. There is a growing problem and you know it. I'm not sure who the notable others are but I have been quite active on this thread. To some people I appear to be Left Wing to others a Centrist 🥱 I was originally attacked from the left for defending the actions of the Social Workers and Police because I urged caution in coming to a conclusion until all the facts were known. I was then attacked from the right because I pointed out that in this particular area rioting is not unfortunately an unusual occurrence and gave details of the last riot which was obviously judging by the names carried out by Brits We even had a post from Andy who has personal knowledge of the area and described it but was largely ignored Social Media including X is full of people now offering opinions as to why the Riots occurred the predominant reason being Muslims. We have even had the Hon Member from Clacton tweeting from Milwaukee that it's a problem imported from the Sub-Continent All of it is Bollocks but people have become so entrenched in their views that in any given situation they fit a narrative around an agenda they support. Immediacy of Social Media and the desire to be first makes people rush to provide an instant commentary. Critical thinking has been reduced to 140 characters for the enrichment of the megalomaniac that owns it. The Riot last night was unfortunately a sad commentary in one of the most deprived areas of England. A diverse community no doubt but I saw no evidence of tension between ethnicities, far from it, although one group was central to it. Yet to be determined by the proper authorities is whether 5 Children are in need of permanent safeguarding but I'm glad the Social Workers responded swiftly if there is any doubt and that the Police supported them. The Police have been criticised by some for not being more forceful and confrontational but no personal injuries have been reported so I judge it to be a success. Thuggery and Vandalism did occur which there is ample video evidence to punish the Neanderthals that carried it out, I wish there was a service that would educate the many children that were present the error of their ways and not go down the wrong path but I suspect "funding" has been withdrawn. The most and only positive outcome is that the 5 children are safe tonight but it wouldn't entirely shock me if when the authorities fully investigate the family circumstances they find that the injury to the baby was entirely accidental but ignorance and fear on behalf of the parents made them respond inappropriately. In any case the Social Workers did their job, a rare thing in itself, and acted expeditiously.
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Post by foster on Jul 19, 2024 22:52:25 GMT
Literally every weekend you go out of your way to derail threads like this one and argue with other posters. Have you nothing better to do with your time other than be a killjoy and try to undermine other people? You claim to be discussing arguments, but really you're just making arguments out of nothing to suit your own agenda and make it all about Paul. On this Leeds debate you've already derailed it with your personal history that no one gives a fuck about. Truly sad. You really are utterly tedious. I've already said to you that I'm not interesting in conversing with you, if you're not capable of having a discussion about the actual topic. You're just spamming the thread.
Actually Paul... this thread was going fine until you stuck your nose in with your tedious non relevant blinkered posts.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 19, 2024 22:53:32 GMT
Your romanticism for a hip and trendy Brixton is what's irrelevant here. My own brother lived there for 20 years when working for the Met police. It has no relevance to what is brewing across the ignored Northern regions of which I've traversed the last 30 years. Northern regions I'm guessing you virtue about having been ignored. Keep deflecting but the situation is changing rapidly...
I'm not deflecting anything, I've answered each one of your points politely and in full, without having to resort to any personal contributions about yourself.
Whereas you have elected to avoid most of my points and chosen to accuse me of romanticism and being virtuous. It simply isn't necessary, (as I said) we simply have differing opinions, that's all.
If being accused of romanticism is too offending for you I'll leave you be. I know Brixton very well I've spent many a weekend there. But I'll tell you it ain't the parts of Blackburn Burnley and Bolton I could take you to that's for sure..
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 19, 2024 22:57:43 GMT
I ain't joining in any sniggering Paul. But I suspect you and some notable others ain't getting involved in this thread too much because its becoming harder and harder to just keep turning around and claiming people with obvious amd legitimate concerns are simply bigoted idiots. There is a growing problem and you know it. I'm not sure who the notable others are but I have been quite active on this thread. To some people I appear to be Left Wing to others a Centrist 🥱 I was originally attacked from the left for defending the actions of the Social Workers and Police because I urged caution in coming to a conclusion until all the facts were known. I was then attacked from the right because I pointed out that in this particular area rioting is not unfortunately an unusual occurrence and gave details of the last riot which was obviously judging by the names carried out by Brits We even had a post from Andy who has personal knowledge of the area and described it but was largely ignored Social Media including X is full of people now offering opinions as to why the Riots occurred the predominant reason being Muslims. We have even had the Hon Member from Clacton tweeting from Milwaukee that it's a problem imported from the Sub-Continent All of it is Bollocks but people have become so entrenched in their views that in any given situation they fit a narrative around an agenda they support. Immediacy of Social Media and the desire to be first makes people rush to provide an instant commentary. Critical thinking has been reduced to 140 characters for the enrichment of the megalomaniac that owns it. The Riot last night was unfortunately a sad commentary in one of the most deprived areas of England. A diverse community no doubt but I saw no evidence of tension between ethnicities, far from it, although one group was central to it. Yet to be determined by the proper authorities is whether 5 Children are in need of permanent safeguarding but I'm glad the Social Workers responded swiftly if there is any doubt and that the Police supported them. The Police have been criticised by some for not being more forceful and confrontational but no personal injuries have been reported so I judge it to be a success. Thuggery and Vandalism did occur which there is ample video evidence to punish the Neanderthals that carried it out, I wish there was a service that would educate the many children that were present the error of their ways and not go down the wrong path but I suspect "funding" has been withdrawn. The most and only positive outcome is that the 5 children are safe tonight but it wouldn't entirely shock me if when the authorities fully investigate the family circumstances they find that the injury to the baby was entirely accidental but ignorance and fear on behalf of the parents made them respond inappropriately. In any case the Social Workers did their job, a rare thing in itself, and acted expeditiously. As you know we’ve had numerous disagreements in the past but on this thread I can’t believe the amount of likes I’ve given your posts. At one point I thought you’d been ghosted
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 19, 2024 22:58:49 GMT
I ain't joining in any sniggering Paul. But I suspect you and some notable others ain't getting involved in this thread too much because its becoming harder and harder to just keep turning around and claiming people with obvious amd legitimate concerns are simply bigoted idiots. There is a growing problem and you know it. I'm not sure who the notable others are but I have been quite active on this thread. To some people I appear to be Left Wing to others a Centrist 🥱 I was originally attacked from the left for defending the actions of the Social Workers and Police because I urged caution in coming to a conclusion until all the facts were known. I was then attacked from the right because I pointed out that in this particular area rioting is not unfortunately an unusual occurrence and gave details of the last riot which was obviously judging by the names carried out by Brits We even had a post from Andy who has personal knowledge of the area and described it but was largely ignored Social Media including X is full of people now offering opinions as to why the Riots occurred the predominant reason being Muslims. We have even had the Hon Member from Clacton tweeting from Milwaukee that it's a problem imported from the Sub-Continent All of it is Bollocks but people have become so entrenched in their views that in any given situation they fit a narrative around an agenda they support. Immediacy of Social Media and the desire to be first makes people rush to provide an instant commentary. Critical thinking has been reduced to 140 characters for the enrichment of the megalomaniac that owns it. The Riot last night was unfortunately a sad commentary in one of the most deprived areas of England. A diverse community no doubt but I saw no evidence of tension between ethnicities, far from it, although one group was central to it. Yet to be determined by the proper authorities is whether 5 Children are in need of permanent safeguarding but I'm glad the Social Workers responded swiftly if there is any doubt and that the Police supported them. The Police have been criticised by some for not being more forceful and confrontational but no personal injuries have been reported so I judge it to be a success. Thuggery and Vandalism did occur which there is ample video evidence to punish the Neanderthals that carried it out, I wish there was a service that would educate the many children that were present the error of their ways and not go down the wrong path but I suspect "funding" has been withdrawn. The most and only positive outcome is that the 5 children are safe tonight but it wouldn't entirely shock me if when the authorities fully investigate the family circumstances they find that the injury to the baby was entirely accidental but ignorance and fear on behalf of the parents made them respond inappropriately. In any case the Social Workers did their job, a rare thing in itself, and acted expeditiously.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 19, 2024 22:59:50 GMT
You're like a bunch of primary school children, sniggering at how clever you all are, when in actual fact, it's all rather pathetic. I would never, ever, attack any of you personally for your views, especially when you weren't even contributing to the discussion. If that's what gets you off, then be my guest, you crack on but I'd rather not contribute to such silliness. I ain't joining in any sniggering Paul. But I suspect you and some notable others ain't getting involved in this thread too much because its becoming harder and harder to just keep turning around and claiming people with obvious amd legitimate concerns are simply bigoted idiots. There is a growing problem and you know it.
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Post by foster on Jul 19, 2024 23:00:28 GMT
I'm not sure who the notable others are but I have been quite active on this thread. To some people I appear to be Left Wing to others a Centrist 🥱 I was originally attacked from the left for defending the actions of the Social Workers and Police because I urged caution in coming to a conclusion until all the facts were known. I was then attacked from the right because I pointed out that in this particular area rioting is not unfortunately an unusual occurrence and gave details of the last riot which was obviously judging by the names carried out by Brits We even had a post from Andy who has personal knowledge of the area and described it but was largely ignored Social Media including X is full of people now offering opinions as to why the Riots occurred the predominant reason being Muslims. We have even had the Hon Member from Clacton tweeting from Milwaukee that it's a problem imported from the Sub-Continent All of it is Bollocks but people have become so entrenched in their views that in any given situation they fit a narrative around an agenda they support. Immediacy of Social Media and the desire to be first makes people rush to provide an instant commentary. Critical thinking has been reduced to 140 characters for the enrichment of the megalomaniac that owns it. The Riot last night was unfortunately a sad commentary in one of the most deprived areas of England. A diverse community no doubt but I saw no evidence of tension between ethnicities, far from it, although one group was central to it. Yet to be determined by the proper authorities is whether 5 Children are in need of permanent safeguarding but I'm glad the Social Workers responded swiftly if there is any doubt and that the Police supported them. The Police have been criticised by some for not being more forceful and confrontational but no personal injuries have been reported so I judge it to be a success. Thuggery and Vandalism did occur which there is ample video evidence to punish the Neanderthals that carried it out, I wish there was a service that would educate the many children that were present the error of their ways and not go down the wrong path but I suspect "funding" has been withdrawn. The most and only positive outcome is that the 5 children are safe tonight but it wouldn't entirely shock me if when the authorities fully investigate the family circumstances they find that the injury to the baby was entirely accidental but ignorance and fear on behalf of the parents made them respond inappropriately. In any case the Social Workers did their job, a rare thing in itself, and acted expeditiously. As you know we’ve had numerous disagreements in the past but on this thread I can’t believe the amount of likes I’ve given your posts. At one point I thought you’d been ghosted He gave me a 'like'. It's made my weekend 😉
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Post by wannabee on Jul 19, 2024 23:01:24 GMT
Starkey also said Slavery was not genocide because of the survival of "so many damn blacks". Do you consider him a role model ?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 19, 2024 23:03:08 GMT
I ain't joining in any sniggering Paul. But I suspect you and some notable others ain't getting involved in this thread too much because its becoming harder and harder to just keep turning around and claiming people with obvious amd legitimate concerns are simply bigoted idiots. There is a growing problem and you know it. Fair play to her that takes balls going out on her own to reason with them. Kept her cool too. Bravo.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 19, 2024 23:05:21 GMT
I'm not deflecting anything, I've answered each one of your points politely and in full, without having to resort to any personal contributions about yourself.
Whereas you have elected to avoid most of my points and chosen to accuse me of romanticism and being virtuous. It simply isn't necessary, (as I said) we simply have differing opinions, that's all.
If being accused of romanticism is too offending for you I'll leave you be. I know Brixton very well I've spent many a weekend there. But I'll tell you it ain't the parts of Blackburn Burnley and Bolton I could take you to that's for sure..
Which has absolutely zero to do with the thread. I literally said that where I have lived is irrelevant and that you knew nothing about where I have lived, save (so I wasn't accused of lying) for a couple of places I have mentioned on this board before.
It is possible to have opinions on things without living (or having lived) there you know. The 'London' thread would half in size if that wasn't the case. Are your opinions on (say) Trump or Putin worthless then?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 19, 2024 23:07:40 GMT
Starkey also said Slavery was not genocide because of the survival of "so many damn blacks". Do you consider him a role model ? Multiculturalism can succeed. But not when you do it at unprecedented rates when the local population are on their arses because of wank govt policies for decades. Why do you fail to have empathy for those who are already fucked. I mean why. They ain't moving into the lovely shires are they. Nah they're being chucked on top of the already fucked. And you wonder why is there a fuss. Cognitive dissonance at its finest. God help us...
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 19, 2024 23:10:33 GMT
If being accused of romanticism is too offending for you I'll leave you be. I know Brixton very well I've spent many a weekend there. But I'll tell you it ain't the parts of Blackburn Burnley and Bolton I could take you to that's for sure..
Which has absolutely zero to do with the thread. I literally said that where I have lived is irrelevant and that you knew nothing about where I have lived, save (so I wasn't accused of lying) for a couple of places I have mentioned on this board before.
It is possible to have opinions on things without living (or having lived) there you know. The 'London' thread would half in size if that wasn't the case. Are your opinions on (say) Trump or Putin worthless then?
Putin, trump. Jeez your deflection is going crazy. Let's agree to leave it. All you'll do now is pick up idiotic points to find a win.
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