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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 20, 2024 8:12:56 GMT
Which has absolutely zero to do with the thread. I literally said that where I have lived is irrelevant and that you knew nothing about where I have lived, save (so I wasn't accused of lying) for a couple of places I have mentioned on this board before.
It is possible to have opinions on things without living (or having lived) there you know. The 'London' thread would half in size if that wasn't the case. Are your opinions on (say) Trump or Putin worthless then?
And I can bet me house on the fact the only time you've been to Blackburn or Burnley is to watch Stoke. I've done every street and analysed the demographic. It was and is my job 😆 I'm familiar with some of the estates you will be talking about well, and there are many others up and down the country. But where my opinion differs is it's poverty and degradation that are the overriding factors not the ethnic makeup of these areas. There are many other areas that are predominantly "white British" in the North East, Lincolnshire, other parts of the North West that are just as much of a tinderbox as Harehills, and it would only take a triggering incident for the same to happen. I know Harehills and the surrounding area pretty well having worked on Roundhay Road for a few years, and it mirrors hundreds of areas all over the country. Some are multicultural, some not so much.......
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Post by starkiller on Jul 20, 2024 8:18:50 GMT
This is a terrible look for the police. As dozens gather to watch and film, and knowing the wanton destruction taking place, the only person arrested is someone speaking out about what's happened to her area.
What message does that send out to similar neighborhoods across England?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 20, 2024 8:35:55 GMT
This is a terrible look for the police. As dozens gather to watch and film, and knowing the wanton destruction taking place, the only person arrested is someone speaking out about what's happened to her area. What message does that send out to similar neighborhoods across England? All I’d say is it’s a snippet and we don’t know the whole story of what happened other than those comments on the link where the account is clearly trying to paint a picture that they like and the push an agenda. They may have arrested her for BOP to remove her from the scene as she was inflaming the situation and potentially escalating what is clearly a tinder pot environment. By her behaviour she may have been putting herself and others at risk. They may potentially have just dropped her home afterwards once they were satisfied she wasn’t going to cause any further problems. The dangers of social media where the true picture is often hidden but one that can be created by both sides. That’s why I hate it because it’s really dangerous in the wrong hands. It drives me up the wall when at every incident even the Trump shooting (where there was an active shooter) peoples first reaction is to reach for their phone and start videoing. It’s nuts and will end up being the biggest single reason for destroying the world, because it’s constantly used for propeganda and to feed a narrative and it’s done on all sides. All I’d say is the only ones who truely know what happened are those on the ground however I can see bearing in mind what happened the previous night it doesn’t look good.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 20, 2024 8:42:23 GMT
This is a terrible look for the police. As dozens gather to watch and film, and knowing the wanton destruction taking place, the only person arrested is someone speaking out about what's happened to her area. What message does that send out to similar neighborhoods across England? All I’d say is it’s a snippet and we don’t know the whole story of what happened other than those comments on the link where the account is clearly trying to paint a picture that they likes and push an agenda. They may have arrested her for BOP to remove her from the scene as she was inflaming the situation and potentially escalating what is clearly a tinder pot of a situation. By her behaviour she may have been putting herself and others at risk. They may potentially have just dropped her home afterwards once they were satisfied she wasn’t going to cause any further problems. The dangers of social media where the true picture is often hidden but one that can be created by both sides that’s why I hate it because it’s really dangerous in the wrong hands. It drives me up the wall when at every incident even the Trump shooting where there was an active shooter peoples first reaction was to reach for their phone and start videoing. It’s nuts and will end up being the biggest single reason for destroying the world because it’s constantly used for propeganda and to feed a narrative and it’s done on all sides. All I’d say is the only ones who truely knew what happened are those on the ground however I can see bearing in mind what happened the previous night it doesn’t look good. I agree to an extent, but it doesn't take away from the fact they didn't witness one person arrested who was causing damage.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 20, 2024 8:48:51 GMT
All I’d say is it’s a snippet and we don’t know the whole story of what happened other than those comments on the link where the account is clearly trying to paint a picture that they likes and push an agenda. They may have arrested her for BOP to remove her from the scene as she was inflaming the situation and potentially escalating what is clearly a tinder pot of a situation. By her behaviour she may have been putting herself and others at risk. They may potentially have just dropped her home afterwards once they were satisfied she wasn’t going to cause any further problems. The dangers of social media where the true picture is often hidden but one that can be created by both sides that’s why I hate it because it’s really dangerous in the wrong hands. It drives me up the wall when at every incident even the Trump shooting where there was an active shooter peoples first reaction was to reach for their phone and start videoing. It’s nuts and will end up being the biggest single reason for destroying the world because it’s constantly used for propeganda and to feed a narrative and it’s done on all sides. All I’d say is the only ones who truely knew what happened are those on the ground however I can see bearing in mind what happened the previous night it doesn’t look good. I agree to an extent, but it doesn't take away from the fact they didn't witness one person arrested who was causing damage. It appears they arrested the perpetrators the next day from video footage (I assume). That's a fairly standard tactic in these situations isn't it? The footage of course looks terrible but my understanding is it all centred around an overturned police car and a burning double decker bus. So in that respect it was fairly well contained and sending in police at that time could have made the situation a lot worse..........
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Post by starkiller on Jul 20, 2024 8:51:06 GMT
Integration is not even mentioned anymore. These are parallel societies, and there will never be any integration from this generation or the next, or the next. The demographic replacement is just too rapid. I think folk have had enough of being told they are the ones in the wrong for pointing this out.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 20, 2024 8:52:50 GMT
All I’d say is it’s a snippet and we don’t know the whole story of what happened other than those comments on the link where the account is clearly trying to paint a picture that they likes and push an agenda. They may have arrested her for BOP to remove her from the scene as she was inflaming the situation and potentially escalating what is clearly a tinder pot of a situation. By her behaviour she may have been putting herself and others at risk. They may potentially have just dropped her home afterwards once they were satisfied she wasn’t going to cause any further problems. The dangers of social media where the true picture is often hidden but one that can be created by both sides that’s why I hate it because it’s really dangerous in the wrong hands. It drives me up the wall when at every incident even the Trump shooting where there was an active shooter peoples first reaction was to reach for their phone and start videoing. It’s nuts and will end up being the biggest single reason for destroying the world because it’s constantly used for propeganda and to feed a narrative and it’s done on all sides. All I’d say is the only ones who truely knew what happened are those on the ground however I can see bearing in mind what happened the previous night it doesn’t look good. I agree to an extent, but it doesn't take away from the fact they didn't witness one person arrested who was causing damage. Don’t disagree though clearly the circs were different at the time. On the even of the riot it was more about managing the situation as a whole because there was so much going on and the tactics would be to pick off those that were responsible at a later date from CCTV and evidence gatherers. Plus the police weren’t probably prepared for the level of violence that occurred so were low on numbers. This comes across as a more isolated incident which was far easier to deal with. It could even be staged so that it’s all caught on camera and put out. I guess we’ll never no. Doesn’t mean I don’t agree with the frustrations of those who had to live through the previous and why they shouldn’t feel real angry and frustrated though. They should.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 20, 2024 8:56:39 GMT
Intergration is not even mentioned anymore. These are parallel societies, and there will never be any integration from this generation or the next, or the next. I think folk have had enough of being told they are the ones in the wrong for pointing this out. He has a rose tinted view from the 70's and 80's of the area with shops thriving and a great sense of community which I accept is probably true. Was it immigration that started the decline from there or a mixture of Thatcherism, austerity along with other socio-economic factors?
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Post by sticky on Jul 20, 2024 9:00:25 GMT
Hope the kids taken away are all ok, as said earlier on in the thread, kids aren’t taken away for nothing
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 20, 2024 9:02:03 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Jul 20, 2024 9:02:31 GMT
Intergration is not even mentioned anymore. These are parallel societies, and there will never be any integration from this generation or the next, or the next. I think folk have had enough of being told they are the ones in the wrong for pointing this out. He has a rose tinted view from the 70's and 80's of the area with shops thriving and a great sense of community which I accept is probably true. Was it immigration that started the decline from there or a mixture of Thatcherism, austerity along with other socio-economic factors? Those factors are clearly a part. But throwing in the rapid demographic change and replacement is clearly going to compound these issues. And it is simply too rapid and in too great a number for it to ever have broad success.
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 20, 2024 9:03:42 GMT
This is a terrible look for the police. As dozens gather to watch and film, and knowing the wanton destruction taking place, the only person arrested is someone speaking out about what's happened to her area. What message does that send out to similar neighborhoods across England? I don’t think they care. They’ve been quite open in two tier policing. More of this to come, but it will bring about an overdue outcome in the end.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 20, 2024 9:19:18 GMT
And I can bet me house on the fact the only time you've been to Blackburn or Burnley is to watch Stoke. I've done every street and analysed the demographic. It was and is my job 😆 I'm familiar with some of the estates you will be talking about well, and there are many others up and down the country. But where my opinion differs is it's poverty and degradation that are the overriding factors not the ethnic makeup of these areas. There are many other areas that are predominantly "white British" in the North East, Lincolnshire, other parts of the North West that are just as much of a tinderbox as Harehills, and it would only take a triggering incident for the same to happen. I know Harehills and the surrounding area pretty well having worked on Roundhay Road for a few years, and it mirrors hundreds of areas all over the country. Some are multicultural, some not so much....... I agree with you. Which is why I posted about investment in sport earlier in this thread, in all these areas and the need for the provision of all weather facilities to create a hub for the kids to be given an outlet and location for them to be doing something productive. My point is that if we continue at the rate we are going some northern communities are going to become so unbalanced and overwhelmed that there is trouble coming. As you identify yourself some of these areas are awful and have been neglected for decades and it seems no govt cares and will keep piling the pressure on them. At some point there will be a straw that breaks the camels back is my opinion. And incidents like Harehills will in the future be the ignition for widespread disorder over a much larger area. I hope I am wrong because all I want is to see a prosperous happy country where we all get along live our lives as best we can and die content 🙏
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 20, 2024 9:24:33 GMT
This is a terrible look for the police. As dozens gather to watch and film, and knowing the wanton destruction taking place, the only person arrested is someone speaking out about what's happened to her area. What message does that send out to similar neighborhoods across England? I don’t think they care. They’ve been quite open in two tier policing. More of this to come, but it will bring about an overdue outcome in the end. Loads of footage showing those openly setting fire to the bus and overturning the police car. Lots of arrests to follow. Although you might not hear about them or pay them any heed if it doesn't fit the two tier policing agenda.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 20, 2024 9:28:03 GMT
Integration is not even mentioned anymore. These are parallel societies, and there will never be any integration from this generation or the next, or the next. The demographic replacement is just too rapid. I think folk have had enough of being told they are the ones in the wrong for pointing this out. Absolutely. The damage is done regardless of who takes over our country. Mass immigration has totally destroyed the social fabric of this nation and it's irreversible. Over the coming decades we will see rioting and violence like we've never seen before.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 20, 2024 9:36:11 GMT
Bring back boris’s water cannon And try to drown the scum
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 20, 2024 9:39:43 GMT
I'm familiar with some of the estates you will be talking about well, and there are many others up and down the country. But where my opinion differs is it's poverty and degradation that are the overriding factors not the ethnic makeup of these areas. There are many other areas that are predominantly "white British" in the North East, Lincolnshire, other parts of the North West that are just as much of a tinderbox as Harehills, and it would only take a triggering incident for the same to happen. I know Harehills and the surrounding area pretty well having worked on Roundhay Road for a few years, and it mirrors hundreds of areas all over the country. Some are multicultural, some not so much....... I agree with you. Which is why I posted about investment in sport earlier in this thread, in all these areas and the need for the provision of all weather facilities to create a hub for the kids to be given an outlet and location for them to be doing something productive. My point is that if we continue at the rate we are going some northern communities are going to become so unbalanced and overwhelmed that there is trouble coming. As you identify yourself some of these areas are awful and have been neglected for decades and it seems no govt cares and will keep piling the pressure on them. At some point there will be a straw that breaks the camels back is my opinion. And incidents like Harehills will in the future be the ignition for widespread disorder over a much larger area. I hope I am wrong because all I want is to see a prosperous happy country where we all get along live our lives as best we can and die content 🙏 Look at what happens to asylum seekers when they go through the system, they get dumped on a town/city that already has areas of poverty because of slum housing and because - well let's be honest - why should the whole of the country suffer when we can dump them all in grim northern estates? The ratios per person of population are below: Middlesborough (1:152) Glasgow (1:194) Rochdale (1:204) Stockton-on-Tees (1:283) Bolton (1:271) Stoke-on-Trent (1:286) Liverpool (1:304) Oldham (1:335) In areas such as Milton Keynes, the South Coast and the Home Counties it's more like 1:3000 or 1:4000. Why shouldn't these areas accept their fair share of asylum seekers and take the pressure off already decimated local authority budgets? It's the classic divide and conquer tactic, let the people who have more in common with foreigners than they realise, think that it's them that are causing their problems. Properly tackle inequality, and a lot of the hatred and bitterness disappears with it.........
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Post by lordb on Jul 20, 2024 9:41:52 GMT
Bring back boris’s water cannon And try to drown the scum No need they got voted out a few weeks ago
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 20, 2024 9:42:31 GMT
Integration is not even mentioned anymore. These are parallel societies, and there will never be any integration from this generation or the next, or the next. The demographic replacement is just too rapid. I think folk have had enough of being told they are the ones in the wrong for pointing this out. Absolutely. The damage is done regardless of who takes over our country. Mass immigration has totally destroyed the social fabric of this nation and it's irreversible. Over the coming decades we will see rioting and violence like we've never seen before. Thatcherism destroyed the social fabric of this nation. Austerity put the final nail in the coffin in some of the poorer areas of the country..........
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Post by lordb on Jul 20, 2024 9:44:23 GMT
Why are we poor? Thats the question poor people in poor areas should ask themselves
Is it because of immigration? Legal or otherwise
Of course it isn't
Who is really causing problems, who is really preventing our lives from improving?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 20, 2024 10:08:16 GMT
I agree with you. Which is why I posted about investment in sport earlier in this thread, in all these areas and the need for the provision of all weather facilities to create a hub for the kids to be given an outlet and location for them to be doing something productive. My point is that if we continue at the rate we are going some northern communities are going to become so unbalanced and overwhelmed that there is trouble coming. As you identify yourself some of these areas are awful and have been neglected for decades and it seems no govt cares and will keep piling the pressure on them. At some point there will be a straw that breaks the camels back is my opinion. And incidents like Harehills will in the future be the ignition for widespread disorder over a much larger area. I hope I am wrong because all I want is to see a prosperous happy country where we all get along live our lives as best we can and die content 🙏 Look at what happens to asylum seekers when they go through the system, they get dumped on a town/city that already has areas of poverty because of slum housing and because - well let's be honest - why should the whole of the country suffer when we can dump them all in grim northern estates? The ratios per person of population are below: Middlesborough (1:152) Glasgow (1:194) Rochdale (1:204) Stockton-on-Tees (1:283) Bolton (1:271) Stoke-on-Trent (1:286) Liverpool (1:304) Oldham (1:335) In areas such as Milton Keynes, the South Coast and the Home Counties it's more like 1:3000 or 1:4000. Why shouldn't these areas accept their fair share of asylum seekers and take the pressure off already decimated local authority budgets? It's the classic divide and conquer tactic, let the people who have more in common with foreigners than they realise, think that it's them that are causing their problems. Properly tackle inequality, and a lot of the hatred and bitterness disappears with it......... Good research. And tells me why I'm not going bonkers and that there is a problem that needs addressing. These are downtrodden people who the powers that be keep on abusing. Something needs to change and it needs to change quickly if you ask me..
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jul 20, 2024 10:13:25 GMT
To your point Mickey I think I heard Lisa Nandey talking the other day about professional football clubs taking over the playing fields and up keep of local pitches etc from the authorities.
If it happens would like to think it will give opportunities for recreation etc and maybe alieviate local budgets
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 20, 2024 10:52:24 GMT
Intergration is not even mentioned anymore. These are parallel societies, and there will never be any integration from this generation or the next, or the next. I think folk have had enough of being told they are the ones in the wrong for pointing this out. He has a rose tinted view from the 70's and 80's of the area with shops thriving and a great sense of community which I accept is probably true. Was it immigration that started the decline from there or a mixture of Thatcherism, austerity along with other socio-economic factors? To be fair probably a bit of both.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2024 10:59:17 GMT
He has a rose tinted view from the 70's and 80's of the area with shops thriving and a great sense of community which I accept is probably true. Was it immigration that started the decline from there or a mixture of Thatcherism, austerity along with other socio-economic factors? To be fair probably a bit of both. I would argue that chain stores destroy communities far faster than immigrants. Chain stores breed a uniformity and propel a lack of local identity.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 20, 2024 11:05:22 GMT
To your point Mickey I think I heard Lisa Nandey talking the other day about professional football clubs taking over the playing fields and up keep of local pitches etc from the authorities. If it happens would like to think it will give opportunities for recreation etc and maybe alieviate local budgets That'd be a start. But you see where I live on the outskirts of Manchester City centre the council had a cracking plan to build 4, 3 or 4g pitches and 2 FA standard grass pitches on hough end playing fields. Of course the local dog walkers were terrified they'd lose their dogs shitting pitch so set up a protest group and the scheme got scaled down to just 2 pitches. The very same fucking morons who moan when the local kids are on street corners causing mischief. Absolute madness 🤬
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 20, 2024 11:37:46 GMT
Intergration is not even mentioned anymore. These are parallel societies, and there will never be any integration from this generation or the next, or the next. I think folk have had enough of being told they are the ones in the wrong for pointing this out. He has a rose tinted view from the 70's and 80's of the area with shops thriving and a great sense of community which I accept is probably true. Was it immigration that started the decline from there or a mixture of Thatcherism, austerity along with other socio-economic factors? It's definitely the darkies. It's always foreigners who are the source of the problem.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 20, 2024 11:41:46 GMT
Integration is not even mentioned anymore. These are parallel societies, and there will never be any integration from this generation or the next, or the next. The demographic replacement is just too rapid. I think folk have had enough of being told they are the ones in the wrong for pointing this out. Absolutely. The damage is done regardless of who takes over our country. Mass immigration has totally destroyed the social fabric of this nation and it's irreversible. Over the coming decades we will see rioting and violence like we've never seen before. 😂 Has it? There was me thinking 99% of the time people go to work, live in houses, get married, go shopping, watch football, travel, socialise, etc etc, but apparently the social fabric of the nation has been totally destroyed and we all live hand to mouth as savages 😂
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Post by knype on Jul 20, 2024 11:55:24 GMT
Intergration is not even mentioned anymore. These are parallel societies, and there will never be any integration from this generation or the next, or the next. I think folk have had enough of being told they are the ones in the wrong for pointing this out. He has a rose tinted view from the 70's and 80's of the area with shops thriving and a great sense of community which I accept is probably true. Was it immigration that started the decline from there or a mixture of Thatcherism, austerity along with other socio-economic factors? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by knype on Jul 20, 2024 11:57:16 GMT
He has a rose tinted view from the 70's and 80's of the area with shops thriving and a great sense of community which I accept is probably true. Was it immigration that started the decline from there or a mixture of Thatcherism, austerity along with other socio-economic factors? It's definitely the darkies. It's always foreigners who are the source of the problem. Whereas with you clowns it's always the Tories...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 20, 2024 12:01:28 GMT
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