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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 18, 2024 23:40:14 GMT
I'm wondering if this is some sort of revenge for the convictions for the previous Riot in Leeds? Warning images of Burning Police Cars not for the squeamish. Perhaps the rioters adopted Anglo-Saxon names to blend with the Community Accusations of whataboutery welcome, if it can be proved it didn't happen Police were “pelted with bricks for hours” during a riot on a Leeds estate in which 54 items were hurled, a court heard as five men were handed sentences for their roles in the disorder. The violence engulfed an estate in Halton Moor and saw officers from West Yorkshire Police subjected to prolonged verbal and physical abuse have been sentenced at Leeds Crown Court for their involvement in the events.
Shane Turnbull, 18; Callum Small, 19; Robert Allison, 43, and Thomas Addo, 19, were given community orders after appearing before a judge on Tuesday, while 50-year-old Jason Banks was given a suspended prison sentence. The court heard the five rioters were only involved in the first day of disorder on November 7, with others having taken part in further violence the following day.
It began as a man living in Kendal Drive reported abusive behaviour to the police. His car was attacked, the windows were smashed and it was set on fire. When police arrived, the aggression was turned towards officers. The court was shown dramatic footage of a car being jumped on, fireworks being launched and items being thrown at police vans as officers appeared to be retreating. In one clip, a police officer could be heard shouting as they were struck by an object. The man who had initially contacted the police later had his house burgled. Pictures showed the battered interior with boarded up windows.
Kendal Drive in Halton the day after the rioting. Judge Rodney Jameson KC said: “The police attended and it is unfortunately the case, as is obvious from the footage played in court, that they were simply treated as the enemy. Over a period of several hours, there was public disorder. They were periodically pelted with bricks for hours and other missiles. They were abused. There were attempts to intimidate and belittle them. It was frankly disgraceful behaviour.”
The judge told the defendants before him that they should be “ashamed” of their involvement after each of them pleaded guilty to violent disorder.
Banks, of Kendal Drive, Halton Moor, was said to have played a “significant role”. The court heard how he confronted police officers, behaved abusively and “talked about the desirability of petrol bombs”. Footage showed him on Kendal Drive walking towards police officers with a bottle in his hand, before throwing it at them. He was sentenced to 21 months in prison, suspended for 18 months, with a requirement to complete
The role of Allison, of Sandhurst Avenue, Harehills, was described as “rabble-rousing” for about an hour. At one point, he threw a beer keg at a police vehicle. The court heard that a custodial sentence would typically be given for an adult, but learning difficulties mean Allison “operates in many respects as a child does”. He was given an 18-month community order, with 30 rehabilitation days.
Addo, of Colby Rise, Halton Moor, was involved for around 30 minutes, during which time he threw two missiles and was seen outside the house that was burgled. Since he is currently subject to a 12-month community order, he was given a further 12-month order that will run alongside it, as well as 10 rehabilitation days.
Turnbull, of Neville Place, Leeds, was seen kicking the wing mirror of the victim’s car and jumping on its tailgate. Grainy footage showed him throwing a firework. Later, he was caught on camera carrying a television set away from the victim’s house. He pleaded guilty to violent disorder and an additional charge of burglary.
A further 11 adult defendants are awaiting trial and nine more defendants are due to stand trial in youth court.
www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/crime/halton-moor-riot-five-men-sentenced-over-violence-that-saw-riot-police-called-to-leeds-estate-4136150
The sentences are an absolute disgrace when you read about their behaviour no wonder this and todays incidents take place when there’s next to no repercussions for those involved. You also have to question the parenting. Was there any? In relation to young offenders until parents are held more accountable these sort of characters will continue to behave like this with little fear re what will happen to them.
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Post by gawa on Jul 18, 2024 23:57:15 GMT
About the only person from the police and locally elected representatives actually only the ground engaging with the people and trying to control the situation. Maybe before he calls out / blames social services and the police perhaps he can give a little more detail as to why he thinks it was mishandled and why it justifies a riot and all the damage caused. Ultimately social services and the police weren’t the ones smashing up the town and setting fire to buses. The problem is the cllr’s total inability to put the responsibility for the bad behaviour on those rioting rather than choosing to justify it and blame those trying to do their jobs. Unless there was unjustified violence directed towards the family there is no excuse. I'm sure the information will come to the forefront as to why the situation was mishandled. Where did he say that it justified a riot? I thought he said he wishes it was a calmer situation. This Councillor is literally the last person anyone can blame. He's the only public figure on the scene, one single man actually trying to make a difference. Did you see the second video where he is pulling pallets and bins off people telling them to stop destroying their communities? Like at least he's trying which is alot more that can be said for others.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 18, 2024 23:58:42 GMT
I'm wondering if this is some sort of revenge for the convictions for the previous Riot in Leeds? Warning images of Burning Police Cars not for the squeamish. Perhaps the rioters adopted Anglo-Saxon names to blend with the Community Accusations of whataboutery welcome, if it can be proved it didn't happen Police were “pelted with bricks for hours” during a riot on a Leeds estate in which 54 items were hurled, a court heard as five men were handed sentences for their roles in the disorder. The violence engulfed an estate in Halton Moor and saw officers from West Yorkshire Police subjected to prolonged verbal and physical abuse have been sentenced at Leeds Crown Court for their involvement in the events.
Shane Turnbull, 18; Callum Small, 19; Robert Allison, 43, and Thomas Addo, 19, were given community orders after appearing before a judge on Tuesday, while 50-year-old Jason Banks was given a suspended prison sentence. The court heard the five rioters were only involved in the first day of disorder on November 7, with others having taken part in further violence the following day.
It began as a man living in Kendal Drive reported abusive behaviour to the police. His car was attacked, the windows were smashed and it was set on fire. When police arrived, the aggression was turned towards officers. The court was shown dramatic footage of a car being jumped on, fireworks being launched and items being thrown at police vans as officers appeared to be retreating. In one clip, a police officer could be heard shouting as they were struck by an object. The man who had initially contacted the police later had his house burgled. Pictures showed the battered interior with boarded up windows.
Kendal Drive in Halton the day after the rioting. Judge Rodney Jameson KC said: “The police attended and it is unfortunately the case, as is obvious from the footage played in court, that they were simply treated as the enemy. Over a period of several hours, there was public disorder. They were periodically pelted with bricks for hours and other missiles. They were abused. There were attempts to intimidate and belittle them. It was frankly disgraceful behaviour.”
The judge told the defendants before him that they should be “ashamed” of their involvement after each of them pleaded guilty to violent disorder.
Banks, of Kendal Drive, Halton Moor, was said to have played a “significant role”. The court heard how he confronted police officers, behaved abusively and “talked about the desirability of petrol bombs”. Footage showed him on Kendal Drive walking towards police officers with a bottle in his hand, before throwing it at them. He was sentenced to 21 months in prison, suspended for 18 months, with a requirement to complete
The role of Allison, of Sandhurst Avenue, Harehills, was described as “rabble-rousing” for about an hour. At one point, he threw a beer keg at a police vehicle. The court heard that a custodial sentence would typically be given for an adult, but learning difficulties mean Allison “operates in many respects as a child does”. He was given an 18-month community order, with 30 rehabilitation days.
Addo, of Colby Rise, Halton Moor, was involved for around 30 minutes, during which time he threw two missiles and was seen outside the house that was burgled. Since he is currently subject to a 12-month community order, he was given a further 12-month order that will run alongside it, as well as 10 rehabilitation days.
Turnbull, of Neville Place, Leeds, was seen kicking the wing mirror of the victim’s car and jumping on its tailgate. Grainy footage showed him throwing a firework. Later, he was caught on camera carrying a television set away from the victim’s house. He pleaded guilty to violent disorder and an additional charge of burglary.
A further 11 adult defendants are awaiting trial and nine more defendants are due to stand trial in youth court.
www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/crime/halton-moor-riot-five-men-sentenced-over-violence-that-saw-riot-police-called-to-leeds-estate-4136150
The sentences are an absolute disgrace when you read about their behaviour no wonder this and todays incidents take place when there’s next to no repercussions for those involved. You also have to question the parenting. Was there any? In relation to young offenders until parents are held more accountable these sort of characters will continue to behave like this with little fear re what will happen to them. Can't disagree with you on the sanctions or on the lack of parental control I also agree with your general point that the Police are on a hiding to nothing in these situations. If they confront and it escalates to injury they are criticised, if they retreat to let things cool down they are accused of not Policinging or worse two tier Policing. My main point being this lawless behaviour is far from imported, I could be all Lefty Liberal and blame "Society" which in part it is but that overlooks that some people, not discriminating on Ethnicity, are Scumbags and simply want to cause trouble, but generally not for themselves. The images of precious Riot may not have linked www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-2009314/Video-Police-van-set-fire-amid-reports-riot-Leeds-street.html
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Post by wannabee on Jul 19, 2024 0:20:27 GMT
Maybe before he calls out / blames social services and the police perhaps he can give a little more detail as to why he thinks it was mishandled and why it justifies a riot and all the damage caused. Ultimately social services and the police weren’t the ones smashing up the town and setting fire to buses. The problem is the cllr’s total inability to put the responsibility for the bad behaviour on those rioting rather than choosing to justify it and blame those trying to do their jobs. Unless there was unjustified violence directed towards the family there is no excuse. I'm sure the information will come to the forefront as to why the situation was mishandled. Where did he say that it justified a riot? I thought he said he wishes it was a calmer situation. This Councillor is literally the last person anyone can blame. He's the only public figure on the scene, one single man actually trying to make a difference. Did you see the second video where he is pulling pallets and bins off people telling them to stop destroying their communities? Like at least he's trying which is alot more that can be said for others. This is blatantly incorrect on so many levels In the linked Video this Councillor explicitly says the cause of the Riots was due to mishandling by Social Services and the Police which you are endorsing by saying it was mishandled, there's no evidence it was. To say he was the only local Public figure on the scene is preposterous as can be seen from the below link It is literally light and day between when the Labour Councillor for the area Salma Arif was on the scene acting responsibily and the Councillor you are quoting /mediaViewer?currentTweet=1814017678086127786¤tTweetUser=CllrSalmaArif
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Post by desman2 on Jul 19, 2024 0:30:06 GMT
I heard on one video social services were there because a baby was thrown out of a window.
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Post by gawa on Jul 19, 2024 1:02:25 GMT
I'm sure the information will come to the forefront as to why the situation was mishandled. Where did he say that it justified a riot? I thought he said he wishes it was a calmer situation. This Councillor is literally the last person anyone can blame. He's the only public figure on the scene, one single man actually trying to make a difference. Did you see the second video where he is pulling pallets and bins off people telling them to stop destroying their communities? Like at least he's trying which is alot more that can be said for others. This is blatantly incorrect on so many levels In the linked Video this Councillor explicitly says the cause of the Riots was due to mishandling by Social Services and the Police which you are endorsing by saying it was mishandled, there's no evidence it was. To say he was the only local Public figure on the scene is preposterous as can be seen from the below link It is literally light and day between when the Labour Councillor for the area Salma Arif was on the scene acting responsibily and the Councillor you are quoting /mediaViewer?currentTweet=1814017678086127786¤tTweetUser=CllrSalmaArif Of course the situation has been mishandled. A burnt out double decker bus, a burnt out police car, a bonfire on the road and about 6 hours of people gathering and taking part in the riot. With little to no police presence for much of the duration. Considering the outcome and the police response afterwards. How can you not argue this is a negative outcome, and therefore the situation was handled ineffectively to result in this. However it's very manipulative of you to suggest that myself and the Councillor are endorsing a riot. But not at all surprising. I'll not be waiting up for a mikey inspired apology anytime soon. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) I don't think it's preposterous at all to suggest he was the only local figure on the scene. I've watched the live streams and also seen multiple unique clips on twitter featuring him. There's a difference between going to the football match and taking a selfie outside the stadium. By "literally light and day" are you suggesting he was only there in the evening? My second post in this thread literally shows him there in the day light. Again amongst the people and at the actual scene.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 19, 2024 1:02:28 GMT
I'm sure the information will come to the forefront as to why the situation was mishandled. Where did he say that it justified a riot? I thought he said he wishes it was a calmer situation. This Councillor is literally the last person anyone can blame. He's the only public figure on the scene, one single man actually trying to make a difference. Did you see the second video where he is pulling pallets and bins off people telling them to stop destroying their communities? Like at least he's trying which is alot more that can be said for others. It is literally light and day between when the Labour Councillor for the area Salma Arif was on the scene acting responsibily and the Councilor you are quoting What is 'literally night and day' between them, are you suggesting that he wasn't actually acting responsibly himself?
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Post by gawa on Jul 19, 2024 1:18:55 GMT
It is literally light and day between when the Labour Councillor for the area Salma Arif was on the scene acting responsibily and the Councilor you are quoting What is 'literally night and day' between them, are you suggesting that he wasn't actually acting responsibly himself? Here is another video of him now putting out fires. Metaphorically and literally.
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Post by knype on Jul 19, 2024 3:07:42 GMT
I'm wondering if this is some sort of revenge for the convictions for the previous Riot in Leeds? Warning images of Burning Police Cars not for the squeamish. Perhaps the rioters adopted Anglo-Saxon names to blend with the Community Accusations of whataboutery welcome, if it can be proved it didn't happen Police were “pelted with bricks for hours” during a riot on a Leeds estate in which 54 items were hurled, a court heard as five men were handed sentences for their roles in the disorder. The violence engulfed an estate in Halton Moor and saw officers from West Yorkshire Police subjected to prolonged verbal and physical abuse have been sentenced at Leeds Crown Court for their involvement in the events.
Shane Turnbull, 18; Callum Small, 19; Robert Allison, 43, and Thomas Addo, 19, were given community orders after appearing before a judge on Tuesday, while 50-year-old Jason Banks was given a suspended prison sentence. The court heard the five rioters were only involved in the first day of disorder on November 7, with others having taken part in further violence the following day.
It began as a man living in Kendal Drive reported abusive behaviour to the police. His car was attacked, the windows were smashed and it was set on fire. When police arrived, the aggression was turned towards officers. The court was shown dramatic footage of a car being jumped on, fireworks being launched and items being thrown at police vans as officers appeared to be retreating. In one clip, a police officer could be heard shouting as they were struck by an object. The man who had initially contacted the police later had his house burgled. Pictures showed the battered interior with boarded up windows.
Kendal Drive in Halton the day after the rioting. Judge Rodney Jameson KC said: “The police attended and it is unfortunately the case, as is obvious from the footage played in court, that they were simply treated as the enemy. Over a period of several hours, there was public disorder. They were periodically pelted with bricks for hours and other missiles. They were abused. There were attempts to intimidate and belittle them. It was frankly disgraceful behaviour.”
The judge told the defendants before him that they should be “ashamed” of their involvement after each of them pleaded guilty to violent disorder.
Banks, of Kendal Drive, Halton Moor, was said to have played a “significant role”. The court heard how he confronted police officers, behaved abusively and “talked about the desirability of petrol bombs”. Footage showed him on Kendal Drive walking towards police officers with a bottle in his hand, before throwing it at them. He was sentenced to 21 months in prison, suspended for 18 months, with a requirement to complete
The role of Allison, of Sandhurst Avenue, Harehills, was described as “rabble-rousing” for about an hour. At one point, he threw a beer keg at a police vehicle. The court heard that a custodial sentence would typically be given for an adult, but learning difficulties mean Allison “operates in many respects as a child does”. He was given an 18-month community order, with 30 rehabilitation days.
Addo, of Colby Rise, Halton Moor, was involved for around 30 minutes, during which time he threw two missiles and was seen outside the house that was burgled. Since he is currently subject to a 12-month community order, he was given a further 12-month order that will run alongside it, as well as 10 rehabilitation days.
Turnbull, of Neville Place, Leeds, was seen kicking the wing mirror of the victim’s car and jumping on its tailgate. Grainy footage showed him throwing a firework. Later, he was caught on camera carrying a television set away from the victim’s house. He pleaded guilty to violent disorder and an additional charge of burglary.
A further 11 adult defendants are awaiting trial and nine more defendants are due to stand trial in youth court.
www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/crime/halton-moor-riot-five-men-sentenced-over-violence-that-saw-riot-police-called-to-leeds-estate-4136150
Here we go...
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jul 19, 2024 3:36:04 GMT
One of the most depressing things about the footage I've seen is the number of kids involved in the rioting. Some of them look like they are under 10 years old. Thought that myself and I’m sure their parents were there encouraging them too. It’s a really sad thing to see. I just hope that the footage is scrutinised and every one of those deemed to be committing an offence is put behind bars. Behind what bars? We were warned last week there’s no room as prisons are running at capacity. It’s open season.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 19, 2024 4:26:00 GMT
Maybe before he calls out / blames social services and the police perhaps he can give a little more detail as to why he thinks it was mishandled and why it justifies a riot and all the damage caused. Ultimately social services and the police weren’t the ones smashing up the town and setting fire to buses. The problem is the cllr’s total inability to put the responsibility for the bad behaviour on those rioting rather than choosing to justify it and blame those trying to do their jobs. Unless there was unjustified violence directed towards the family there is no excuse. I'm sure the information will come to the forefront as to why the situation was mishandled. Where did he say that it justified a riot? I thought he said he wishes it was a calmer situation. This Councillor is literally the last person anyone can blame. He's the only public figure on the scene, one single man actually trying to make a difference. Did you see the second video where he is pulling pallets and bins off people telling them to stop destroying their communities? Like at least he's trying which is alot more that can be said for others. It was more what he didn’t say. By trying to turn it onto social services and the police rather than just condoning the rioting for me is justifying / excusing the behaviour. I’m not blaming him I’m just staggered that it’s the first thing he goes to where apportioning the reasons for the riot are concerned. Ultimately if after the bigger picture is revealed it’s identified that social services and the police have acted lawfully and have done their job to their best ability then he has a lot of apologising to do. I’ll be interested to know if he got their side of the story last night before making his comment around their handing of the situation or if he’d just spoken to the public. His work on the ground is admirable his comments not so in my opinion. In relation to suggestions that the riot was non violent this comment from a witness suggests otherwise "Drinks were definitely being throwing at the police - water or juice or fizzy drinks, or anything they had in their hands basically, at the cars because [the police] were trying not to get too close because it was quite violent." I’m pretty sure if they had stayed around rather than withdrawn there would have been injuries. Ultimately those involved have acted as judge, jury and executioner in their reaction rather than allowing social services and police to do their job. They’ve let the good people of the area down. Edit In relation to the cllr being the only one to do anything this report and photos suggest otherwise metro.co.uk/2024/07/18/police-car-overturned-disturbance-crowds-flood-streets-21255753/amp/
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 19, 2024 4:32:34 GMT
Thought that myself and I’m sure their parents were there encouraging them too. It’s a really sad thing to see. I just hope that the footage is scrutinised and every one of those deemed to be committing an offence is put behind bars. Behind what bars? We were warned last week there’s no room as prisons are running at capacity. It’s open season. and there lies the problem. If you have no fear of repercussions it sends out a message to the criminals on the street re what they can get away with.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 19, 2024 5:03:34 GMT
Got to say, from what we've seen so far, I think the police are handling the situation perfectly. Instead of going in on mass and providing the rioters with a tangible target, they have, by keeping an extremely low profile, allowed the situation to run out of it's own steam. No reports of any injuries so far, let's hope that remains the case. Yes doing a great job🙄Reports that one or two have chipped their nail polish
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 19, 2024 5:28:01 GMT
This is why you need a good mix of neighborhood police and more traditional bobbies. Neighborhood police are vital in ensuring that cases are followed up on and they build relationships with troubled areas. However, when those relationships break down, you need people on the ground who are capable of going in and sorting it out. Couldn’t agree more
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Post by chamberlain on Jul 19, 2024 7:35:59 GMT
There are white people there but the majority are not And? There's a riot going on, on the hottest day of the year, in one of our inner cities, that doesn't then mean that there is a third world uprising taking place on our streets. This sort of thing has been going on on British streets in the summer for decades, it's nothing new. I was there for both of the Brixton riots in the early eighties, where there was a larger amount of black kids on the streets than there was white kids, there were buildings on fire everywhere but did I for a moment think that we were witnessing the fall of British democracy? Did I bollocks, it was British locals angry with their lot. Of course that doesn't make it right but don't let right wing politicians (with their own agenda) hoodwink you into believing that something is taking place, which categorically isn't. You keep you're head in the sand
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Post by wannabee on Jul 19, 2024 7:49:46 GMT
It is literally light and day between when the Labour Councillor for the area Salma Arif was on the scene acting responsibily and the Councilor you are quoting What is 'literally night and day' between them, are you suggesting that he wasn't actually acting responsibly himself? It was claimed the Councilor who blamed mishandling by Social Services and the Police for the Riots was the only Public Figure at the scene If you look at the vid of Salma Arif and Police Inspector appealing for people to stay at home it is clearly earlier in the day compared to the other Councilor
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 19, 2024 7:59:27 GMT
And? There's a riot going on, on the hottest day of the year, in one of our inner cities, that doesn't then mean that there is a third world uprising taking place on our streets. This sort of thing has been going on on British streets in the summer for decades, it's nothing new. I was there for both of the Brixton riots in the early eighties, where there was a larger amount of black kids on the streets than there was white kids, there were buildings on fire everywhere but did I for a moment think that we were witnessing the fall of British democracy? Did I bollocks, it was British locals angry with their lot. Of course that doesn't make it right but don't let right wing politicians (with their own agenda) hoodwink you into believing that something is taking place, which categorically isn't. You keep you're head in the sand Patently obvious that it's you doing that mate.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 19, 2024 8:00:04 GMT
It's Harehills, anyone who knows Leeds (and I happen to know only too well),won't be surprised. There has been trouble there since the 1970s. It'd been a workhouse for cheap labour since 1890. The community is poor, housing is shit the unemployment is the worst in West Yorkshire and its a melting pot of crime, drugs and mixed races. It's no excuse but there are several places in the UK that have been ghettos for 60 years and no one gives a shit. The middle classes beat their chests once in a while when it gets to their breakfast table then they move on and get on with their comfortable lives.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 19, 2024 8:05:38 GMT
It's Harehills, anyone who knows Leeds (and I happen to know only too well),won't be surprised. There has been trouble there since the 1970s. It'd been a workhouse for cheap labour since 1890. The community is poor, housing is shit the unemployment is the worst in West Yorkshire and its a melting pot of crime, drugs and mixed races. It's no excuse but there are several places in the UK that have been ghettos for 60 years and no one gives a shit. The middle classes beat their chests once in a while when it gets to their breakfast table then they move on and get on with their comfortable lives. This has got feck all to do with the middle classes and them moving onto their "comfortable" lives. What are you on about...This is about failed government policies and mis spending of the taxes from all of us.
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Post by chamberlain on Jul 19, 2024 8:06:36 GMT
You keep you're head in the sand Patently obvious that it's you doing that mate. Here's another one .
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 19, 2024 8:22:04 GMT
Patently obvious that it's you doing that mate. Here's another one . So what's your take on it all mate?
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Post by wannabee on Jul 19, 2024 8:22:42 GMT
This is blatantly incorrect on so many levels In the linked Video this Councillor explicitly says the cause of the Riots was due to mishandling by Social Services and the Police which you are endorsing by saying it was mishandled, there's no evidence it was. To say he was the only local Public figure on the scene is preposterous as can be seen from the below link It is literally light and day between when the Labour Councillor for the area Salma Arif was on the scene acting responsibily and the Councillor you are quoting /mediaViewer?currentTweet=1814017678086127786¤tTweetUser=CllrSalmaArif Of course the situation has been mishandled. A burnt out double decker bus, a burnt out police car, a bonfire on the road and about 6 hours of people gathering and taking part in the riot. With little to no police presence for much of the duration. Considering the outcome and the police response afterwards. How can you not argue this is a negative outcome, and therefore the situation was handled ineffectively to result in this. However it's very manipulative of you to suggest that myself and the Councillor are endorsing a riot. But not at all surprising. I'll not be waiting up for a mikey inspired apology anytime soon. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) I don't think it's preposterous at all to suggest he was the only local figure on the scene. I've watched the live streams and also seen multiple unique clips on twitter featuring him. There's a difference between going to the football match and taking a selfie outside the stadium. By "literally light and day" are you suggesting he was only there in the evening? My second post in this thread literally shows him there in the day light. Again amongst the people and at the actual scene. Many times people post videos in isolation that purport to fully reflect what has happened at a contentious event, you have done so in the past. Without understanding the context it is impossible to know what or more importantly why an event has taken place The only Official Statement I have seen so far from the Police is that they responded when a "disturbance" occurred which involved "agency workers" and "some children". The Police went on to say "crowds began to gather and a decision was taken to remove both the agency workers and the children to a safe place" Are you trying to say you know what the circumstances were that necessitated "Agency Workers and Children" being at the scene of a "disturbance" which required them to be removed by the Police for their own safety. You can say categorically that this action was "mishandled" by the Police and the Agency Workers as claimed by you and the Councilor? Moreover trying to justify the mayhem and thuggery that subsequently occurred because of the "Mishandling" is warped. And get over yourself being all indignant demanding apologies, if you post Bollocks expect to be called out on it.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 19, 2024 8:25:35 GMT
![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GS1gmuKXsAAfxao?format=jpg&name=large) And it's bigoted, racist wankers like this clown that pour fuel on the flames. Twat.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 19, 2024 8:27:00 GMT
Are you Fabrizio Romano? Can you tell us who Stoke are signing in the Window?
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 19, 2024 8:38:13 GMT
It's a funny thing. I was only wondering yesterday what happened to the summer rioting season in our provincial cities and hey presto. It used to be as much a part of a British summer as Wimbledon and Ascot. Exactly God's. But Farage and his like, hijack it straight away, in an attempt to convince people that the UK is being overrun by a tide of barbaric Islamists. in a perverse kind of way, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (stage name: Tommy Robinson)and Nigel Farage must actually love it when 'the subcontinent' (his words, not mine) riot, as it increases the reach on their own platform. Their rhetoric is incendiary, and know it too.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 19, 2024 8:49:26 GMT
WTF is this summer rioting season? I've lived here for 50 years and have missed the annual gathering for the rioting season. Am I missing out 😆
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Post by gawa on Jul 19, 2024 8:50:29 GMT
Of course the situation has been mishandled. A burnt out double decker bus, a burnt out police car, a bonfire on the road and about 6 hours of people gathering and taking part in the riot. With little to no police presence for much of the duration. Considering the outcome and the police response afterwards. How can you not argue this is a negative outcome, and therefore the situation was handled ineffectively to result in this. However it's very manipulative of you to suggest that myself and the Councillor are endorsing a riot. But not at all surprising. I'll not be waiting up for a mikey inspired apology anytime soon. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) I don't think it's preposterous at all to suggest he was the only local figure on the scene. I've watched the live streams and also seen multiple unique clips on twitter featuring him. There's a difference between going to the football match and taking a selfie outside the stadium. By "literally light and day" are you suggesting he was only there in the evening? My second post in this thread literally shows him there in the day light. Again amongst the people and at the actual scene. Many times people post videos in isolation that purport to fully reflect what has happened at a contentious event, you have done so in the past. Without understanding the context it is impossible to know what or more importantly why an event has taken place The only Official Statement I have seen so far from the Police is that they responded when a "disturbance" occurred which involved "agency workers" and "some children". The Police went on to say "crowds began to gather and a decision was taken to remove both the agency workers and the children to a safe place" Are you trying to say you know what the circumstances were that necessitated "Agency Workers and Children" being at the scene of a "disturbance" which required them to be removed by the Police for their own safety. You can say categorically that this action was "mishandled" by the Police and the Agency Workers as claimed by you and the Councilor? Moreover trying to justify the mayhem and thuggery that subsequently occurred because of the "Mishandling" is warped. And get over yourself being all indignant demanding apologies, if you post Bollocks expect to be called out on it. You have a personal issue with me. You stalk me on this forum desperate to try and one up me at any opportunity. It's boring. Keep trying to put words in my mouth and telling everyone about all the great work the labour councillor did at the scene to calm the situation by recording a random video and fucking off. And how it's light and day difference from the guy putting out fires, controlling crowds and telling people to stop burning their communites ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) The same person who you allege that he thinks the riots are justified by doing what you do best. Being manipulative and twisting peoples words to fit your agenda. I know I'm not going insane when I've had people reach out to me and acknowledge that you seem to have some sort of issue with me. But you keep doing you fella.
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Post by gawa on Jul 19, 2024 8:52:00 GMT
WTF is this summer rioting season? I've lived here for 50 years and have missed the annual gathering for the rioting season. Am I missing out 😆 We have it in Northern Ireland as our parades and bonfires are in the summer and due to our unique situation it often can led to riots. We've had some most days this week. Not so sure about England and how it works. But defo a thing where I live but again different circumstances.
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Post by ian57 on Jul 19, 2024 8:53:38 GMT
If the Romany community started this appalling act of wanton destruction then they should be dealt with accordingly. But why did those highly trained doctors,teachers and engineers have to get involved?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 19, 2024 8:54:40 GMT
WTF is this summer rioting season? I've lived here for 50 years and have missed the annual gathering for the rioting season. Am I missing out 😆 We have it in Northern Ireland as our parades and bonfires are in the summer and due to our unique situation it often can led to riots. We've had some most days this week. Not so sure about England and how it works. But defo a thing where I live but again different circumstances. Summer hols in NI for me next year to partake in my first summer rioting season.
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