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Post by chamberlain on Jul 22, 2024 19:19:35 GMT
There are no words for how bad this post has now become. If many of you think this way fair play atleast you dont hide your rascism but many many people in this great nation fought a war to stop this filth and i for one would do it again You would do it again ? Have you fought in a war then ?
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Post by stokeson on Jul 22, 2024 19:19:43 GMT
There are no words for how bad this post has now become. If many of you think this way fair play atleast you dont hide your rascism but many many people in this great nation fought a war to stop this filth and i for one would do it again An extremely intolerant response if I may say so and calling people racist as well. Nice one Im not calling anyone .Peoples own words speak for themselves.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 22, 2024 19:23:01 GMT
An extremely intolerant response if I may say so and calling people racist as well. Nice one Im not calling anyone .Peoples own words speak for themselves. Your words were “at least you don’t hide your racism”. Make your mind up
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Post by henry on Jul 22, 2024 19:28:19 GMT
An extremely intolerant response if I may say so and calling people racist as well. Nice one Im not calling anyone .Peoples own words speak for themselves. Can you highlight who's posters words make them racist ?
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Post by milton58 on Jul 22, 2024 19:28:36 GMT
Posting race hate is not "expressing an opinion" mate. It's divisive and dangerous and needs challenging every time it appears. I agree they there should be no place for hate anywhere. But how actually do the working classes raise concerns, when these concerns have been glossed over for decades? The working classes and the poor are the ones most affected by mass influx, with a direct impact on services, housing, jobs, healthcare, environment, traffic, pollution, social cohesion, crime, and even access to foodbanks. The middle and above classes are rarely impacted, and I don't mean cuisine at fancy restaurants, and service at swanky hotels. Things that the poorest have little use for. It's a case of blame the immigration, not the immigrants (unless the behaviour warrants it of course). No-one dare put a number on it, but that has to be done. How many per year - one million, two million, 500,000? What should be the number? How many can this country sustain? 80 million, 100 million, 150 million? Where do they go? What does it do to the quality of life, especially for those who have little quality of life? How does it impact those things mentioned - services, housing, healthcare, jobs, environment, traffic, pollution, crime, and social cohesion? Of course there is far more to it than just immigration, but it does play a part. Again, what is the number? What should the burden be on the taxpayer, especially when you consider the number of recent immigrants out of work, and even more telling, the number that have never even worked in the UK? And who can blame them if they don't need to? Again, this is the fault of immigration policy. Very few other countries have such liberal policies of immigration. You are usually required to have job and private healthcare, and if illegal then detained and removed. Is most of the world far right and racist? If so, then we should be even more concerned about who we are welcoming to these shores? Was the Tory 'far right' government right to bring in over a million per year? What number should it be, and when should we consider England specifically to be full? And how exactly are the voiceless working classes meant to have the discussion about the impacts on their country and neighbourhoods, without being labelled the usual? [br what you have posted is bob on unfortunately some on here will pick holes in what you have put...
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Post by farfromhere on Jul 22, 2024 19:30:07 GMT
This is “Britain” now, and it will only get worse and worse as the years trundle on by. Our heroes of the past fought valiantly for this nation to avoid occupation only for the ones who are supposed to have our best interests at heart to let it happen a few decades later, it’s a complete disgrace. This country is a cesspit, there are areas of it that are now completely unrecognisable and indeed complete no go areas. I'm sorry to hear about your bad experiences but in my opinion, the rot in this country extends far beyond immigration. It's a country without vision, that produces very little, that leaves people without hope and direction for themselves and their families. Maybe this is symptomatic of problems in the wider western world but I can't help but feel disillusioned with the country I grew up in (I've since left). Just look at the headlines today. The Tories spent £700 million of our money on the Rwanda scheme which had 4 eligible people. £175 million per person and £300 million paid to the Rwandan government. They stopped the processing of asylum seekers applications in march 2023 leading to further headlines about them being put up in hotels. I agree that the immigration situation needs looking at but it just p*sses me off that the previous government potentially worsened the situation for political point scoring. This could be political point scoring on labours part too but there must be some truth to it. Ultimately I think most on the right and the left just want a better life for them and their families. They may point at different things (left point at the rich, the right point at immigrants) and ultimately each side is correct to a degree and if any government is to succeed they have to address the issues being brought forward by those on both sides (ignoring the fringe/extreme on both the right and left). A country further divided is going to be difficult for anyone to lead to any place good. "Divide and conquer" only serves the few.
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Post by stokeson on Jul 22, 2024 19:31:18 GMT
Not all post in this thread preach negative views or "other" people but some are from blatant rightwing propaganda playbooks.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 22, 2024 19:31:51 GMT
It's all a bit silly this.
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Post by stokeson on Jul 22, 2024 19:33:48 GMT
Im not calling anyone .Peoples own words speak for themselves. Can you highlight who's posters words make them racist ? Surely people know if they are racists without me pointing it out?
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Post by foster on Jul 22, 2024 19:34:10 GMT
Given that the survey was carried out on behalf of BSA, it was done on a representative basis and will therefore have been overwhelmingly white (about 86% given the demographic at the time). So, while it is fair to say that other ethnicities will have been included in the survey and may well have described themselves as prejudiced, it's also entirely legitimate to conclude that because the representative sample of 2000 was 86% white, the majority of pejudice will have been towards, as I said, those not in the "white/"Christian"/straight" section of society. It surprises me that so many people on here seem so unwilling to accept this, especially when there are so many examples of both individual and institutional racism in this country over many years. I think it's probably just denial and a simple unwillingness to accept a fairly obvious truth, that a decent number of people don't like others who don't conform to their group ideals. If that is the conclusion, and since the UK, and England specifically, is one of the most diverse and welcoming countries in the world, what does that say about other countries and people? In fact, it's an absolute damning indictment on the rest of the world. You know what people are sick of the most in this country? They are absolutely sick of being told what utter shit people they are by those that scramble over each other in a race to proclaim themselves 'on message'. Who jump on any discussion of race, immigration, and those who mention it as the new Hitler. It's no wonder that some people attach themselves to profile figures who don't care what they are called. And therefore little sensible discussion can ever take place. Flick through TV channels in most countries and regions in the world and you will not see any other race than the indigenous. And neither will you see self-loathing discussions about how terrible they are, or inviting a white immigrant to tell them how terrible it is to live there, and questioning why there isn't more white representation. Most of the world doesn't give a fuck and would simply laugh at phrases like 'institutional racism'. Indigenous bias is to be expected in a country. That's why it's, well, ... a country in the first place. And when I am a guest in another country, that's exactly what I expect. Numbers in a community does have an effect. And you know what, different cultures, and ideologies, have an effect too. Which is why most of the world doesn't do what the UK does. So if you want to preach at people about their 'unwillingness to accept' how shit they are, then maybe the UK isn't your best target. Because no matter how bad you think the people of this country are, in general they are better than most of the rest of the world at the issues you are concerned with. Including the countries we welcome people from. Another excellent post.
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Post by henry on Jul 22, 2024 19:35:51 GMT
Can you highlight who's posters words make them racist ? Surely people know if they are rascits without me pointing it out? I take it you can't then.
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Post by foster on Jul 22, 2024 19:51:11 GMT
Surely people know if they are rascits without me pointing it out? I take it you can't then. Another one throwing out the 'R' card without the balls to name names. Not worth the attention if they haven't got the bottle to back up their own convictions.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 22, 2024 20:14:08 GMT
This is “Britain” now, and it will only get worse and worse as the years trundle on by. Our heroes of the past fought valiantly for this nation to avoid occupation only for the ones who are supposed to have our best interests at heart to let it happen a few decades later, it’s a complete disgrace. This country is a cesspit, there are areas of it that are now completely unrecognisable and indeed complete no go areas. People have had enough after years and years of being told to tow the party line and to shut their mouths as their communities folded around them and I remain convinced that there will be a civil war at some point in the next decade and the powers that be cannot say they never saw it coming. It is not racist to point out that multiculturalism has failed spectacularly not just in Britain but in wider Europe as well, and refusing to acknowledge what is unfolding in front of our very eyes will be the coup de grace for our once proud nation. My world view is shaped on interactions I have in my own life, rather than reading someone’s pious tweet or doomscrolling political threads on reddit, and my view is of a nation that is completely unrecognisable from the one I grew up in as a kid and I’m only 31, so fucking Christ knows how my old man must feel being born in the 60’s. My old man’s side of the family grew up in Shelton, back when it was a prosperous area not the decayed ruin it is in the present day, him and my aunty always used to knock around in the parks and walk into Hanley on their own even as very young kids, a couple of years back my aunty (who was 66 at the time) did her usual trip into Hanley like she has done every week for 5 decades of her life, she was mugged and had the shit kicked out of her by no less than six Romanian muggers, they were identified as Romanian by a passer by who could speak the language and recognised what the vermin were saying, in broad daylight, so now she doesn’t even feel safe in the very town she grew up in as a native Englishwoman. Myself I grew up in Fenton, and attended two schools which had mixed classes, native English, Polish, Romanian, Pakistani and African, so I was exposed to different cultures, different ways of life and behaviours from a relatively formative age, my parents did their best to prepare me for this but I don’t think they could possibly have foreseen me and my best mate being chased for being on a street that apparently “belonged” to the Pakistani kids who were in year 11 at the time, we were fresh faced 11 year olds in year 7 who simply wanted to get home withoutany fuss, which shouldn’t have been an issue in Longton as a native but evidently it was, or they couldn’t possibly have foreseen another friend of mine being ragged off his bike in Fenton by Romanians when he was 13, he had a knife pulled on him and everything, we just weren’t exposed to this way of life as kids because that’s not how we live. Into adult life I’ve had nothing but abrupt rudeness from the majority of Eastern Europeans and Asians I’ve dealt with (With exception to the Polish who have always been salt of the earth whenever I’ve met, worked with or dealt with on any level), again I know now after educating myself that speaking to people like utter shit and like you own them is a cultural thing in these places, but again, not here. I’ve been out at night with my missus and when I’ve come back from the toilet found her being harangued by Pakistanis who clearly weren’t there for a Carling and a boogie, when I approached I was told to, and I quote this because I’ll never forget it “fuck off or we’ll slit your throat and rape your white whore missus”, again this is happening to a native Englishman in my own nation in a club I had been frequenting for years. I could go on and on and on with anecdotes I’ve had from the imports we’ve had into this country, have they all been negative? Absolutely not, as said I have the pleasure of knowing some fine Poles, one half of my missus’s side of the family is Polish and they’re unbelievable people, I’ve worked with individuals who came from real war torn desperate places like Eritrea, the Congo and the Central African Republic, fantastic people who would give you the shirt off their back and simply want to crack on with their lives in a prosperous country that gives them the opportunity to live a life they would never have got to have lived otherwise, but the majority of dealings I have had have been overwhelmingly negative. Like I said this is what I’ve seen and experienced with my own eyes, call me what you want I do not care, I care only for the wellbeing of my loved ones and friends, I absolutely dread when my missus goes shopping on her own in Hanley, Hanley of all places for fucks sake anyone would think she’d gone to Mogadishu not a simple town centre in a relatively small city in England. I fear for the future of this countries identity, I fear for the future of our societal norms, I fear for the future of our ability to speak freely without fear of violent retribution simply because our opinions are not agreed with, I fear for the future of our very infrastructure which cannot handle this level of usage, and most importantly of all, I fear for the state of the nation which my future children will grow up in. The experiences you describe are awful regardless of the race or nationality of the perpetrators. I sincerely hope the they were caught and punished for their behaviour. However in what way are the issues you describe related to the riot in Leeds? There is nothing to suggest that the violence was associated with white working classes rebelling against immigrants or immigrants attacking the indigenous population. As far as I can make out there was an incident between the authorities which triggered a reaction by some hothead youths who indulged in some random acts of destruction and thieving some of whom have been caught on camera and subsequently arrested. The root causes are currently rather vague and I'm sure in due course there will be an investigation and a report on what actually happened. For all I know you might be right about an imminent civil war. I happen to disagree but accept I might be wrong. The thing I do not see is how this incident is evidence for or part of some race/immigrant based civil war. There are people with a particular political agenda who are trying to make out there is a link but there is nothing to support the claim. It certainly is true some areas of the country have been left to rot by successive governments. The thing is if every non white, non Christian, non British individual were shipped off to Rwanda or wherever none of the problems would go away. There would still be crime, there would still be poverty and if anything public services would be even worse because, like it it not, the indigenous workforce isn't large enough to maintain it. If ever a political party were to get into power with that sort of political agenda there definitely would be a civil war because it would meet with violent opposition not only by the non indigenius population but also by large number of the indigenous population who arent bought into that agenda Multiculturalism hasn't failed. There are issues but day to day life just cracks on. It also isn't going to go away and no-one who wants it to go away ever goes into detail about how they intend to make it happen because they either haven't got a clue or because the detail of how it could be done would be awful. Multiculturalism is here to stay. The choice is whether to disengage, instigate a civil war in an attempt to get rid of it or just crack on and try to live together as best we can. I choose the latter. Your choice appears to be either to disengage and isolate yourself as best you can or get your hands dirty in helping bring about the very civil war you fear. In practice I think most people will choose one of the other options and the civil war you predict just won't happen. The riot in Leeds certainly isn't a portent that it is about to happen - that's just the wet dream of a bunch of fuckwits trying to make out it is something more significant than it actually is.
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Post by emretezzy on Jul 22, 2024 20:15:46 GMT
Not all post in this thread preach negative views or "other" people but some are from blatant rightwing propaganda playbooks. Do you not see the irony in left leaning Posters generalising a large part of the population under one large racist banner. The hyporicacy of some posts on this thread is beyond laughable.
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Post by gawa on Jul 22, 2024 20:18:16 GMT
For all this talk about the right wing. I think we need to remember that it wasn't the right wing out intimidating MPs either during the election.
I've not read about any Labour MPs coming out complaining about intimidation from the right wing during the election.
No tories, no reform and not even lib dem supporters involved in it. Only when labour lost to an independant/green or nearly lost their seat was there intimidation. So for all this talk about the right wing, the left wing are much worse.
And we can talk about Reform being racist all we like but it's a drop in the ocean compared to the rife antisemitism which ran through Jeremy corbyns far left party which were terrorist sympathisers.
And then this riot too there was even a green party Councillor in the riot and trying to justify it too.
If the right wing were as bad as some make out on this forum then why do they not have a racism scandal as bad as the left? Why are their elected representatives not rioting? And why is it that the many labour MPs to be intimidated were only intimidated by the left wing? Not even the black labour candidate standing against Farage has reported intimidation experienced like Jonathan Ashworth.
Starmers labour party is right. Its the left wing which are the intolerant racists. It's no wonder they told their candidates standing against Reform to go and campaign for other candidates 100 miles away instead. Best way to tackle racism and intimidation is to fight it face to face. And the left wing are the worst for it so Labour were right to prioritise fighting them over reform.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 22, 2024 21:05:28 GMT
If that is the conclusion, and since the UK, and England specifically, is one of the most diverse and welcoming countries in the world, what does that say about other countries and people? In fact, it's an absolute damning indictment on the rest of the world. You know what people are sick of the most in this country? They are absolutely sick of being told what utter shit people they are by those that scramble over each other in a race to proclaim themselves 'on message'. Who jump on any discussion of race, immigration, and those who mention it as the new Hitler. It's no wonder that some people attach themselves to profile figures who don't care what they are called. And therefore little sensible discussion can ever take place. Flick through TV channels in most countries and regions in the world and you will not see any other race than the indigenous. And neither will you see self-loathing discussions about how terrible they are, or inviting a white immigrant to tell them how terrible it is to live there, and questioning why there isn't more white representation. Most of the world doesn't give a fuck and would simply laugh at phrases like 'institutional racism'. Indigenous bias is to be expected in a country. That's why it's, well, ... a country in the first place. And when I am a guest in another country, that's exactly what I expect. Numbers in a community does have an effect. And you know what, different cultures, and ideologies, have an effect too. Which is why most of the world doesn't do what the UK does. So if you want to preach at people about their 'unwillingness to accept' how shit they are, then maybe the UK isn't your best target. Because no matter how bad you think the people of this country are, in general they are better than most of the rest of the world at the issues you are concerned with. Including the countries we welcome people from. Starkiller 2 RWB 0 Really dissapointed in you with this type of post Cobs. I thought you were one of the more sensible ones. I know that there's a regular cabal of you lot, each egging each other on via PM but you are the ones who regularly accuse (wrongly imo) other people of posting to point score, yet here you are celebrating that very fact, as if it's some sort of perverted sport. People have different opinions, that is all.
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Post by stokeson on Jul 22, 2024 21:06:51 GMT
Not all post in this thread preach negative views or "other" people but some are from blatant rightwing propaganda playbooks. Do you not see the irony in left leaning Posters generalising a large part of the population under one large racist banner. The hyporicacy of some posts on this thread is beyond laughable. Large part of the population or just a few on a Stoke messageboard. Get a grip......
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 22, 2024 21:11:20 GMT
Do you not see the irony in left leaning Posters generalising a large part of the population under one large racist banner. The hyporicacy of some posts on this thread is beyond laughable. Large part of the population or just a few on a Stoke messageboard. Get a grip...... Take your head out the sand mate
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 22, 2024 21:16:08 GMT
Starkiller 2 RWB 0 Really dissapointed in you with this type of post Cobs. I thought you were one of the more sensible ones. I know that there's a regular cabal of you lot, each egging each other on via PM but you are the ones who regularly accuse (wrongly imo) other people of posting to point score, yet here you are celebrating that very fact, as if it's some sort of perverted sport. People have different opinions, that is all. Tragic post Paul. You’re acting like his old man. It was a light hearted jibe nothing more. And there is a real hypocrisy here, not necessarily from yourself but there are plenty who don’t agree with cobs who regularly post material about the man, who I happen to think is one of the best and most impartial posters on here, that go a bit further than 2 nil to whoever. I understand there is a fine line between a joke and an insult these days, far too fine for me, but surely you can see it was a joke that lots of people (adults) make on a daily basis.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 22, 2024 21:16:45 GMT
Starkiller 2 RWB 0 Really dissapointed in you with this type of post Cobs. I thought you were one of the more sensible ones. I know that there's a regular cabal of you lot, each egging each other on via PM but you are the ones who regularly accuse (wrongly imo) other people of posting to point score, yet here you are celebrating that very fact, as if it's some sort of perverted sport. People have different opinions, that is all. Apparently that's not allowed.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 22, 2024 21:17:54 GMT
Really dissapointed in you with this type of post Cobs. I thought you were one of the more sensible ones. I know that there's a regular cabal of you lot, each egging each other on via PM but you are the ones who regularly accuse (wrongly imo) other people of posting to point score, yet here you are celebrating that very fact, as if it's some sort of perverted sport. People have different opinions, that is all. Tragic post Paul. You’re acting like his old man. It was a light hearted jibe nothing more. And there is a real hypocrisy here, not necessarily from yourself but there are plenty who don’t agree with cobs who regularly post material about the man, who I happen to think is one of the best and most impartial posters on here, that go a bit further than 2 nil to whoever. I understand there is a fine line between a joke and an insult these days, far too fine for me, but surely you can see it was a joke that lots of people (adults) make on a daily basis. You're not going to reply to the post I directly quoted you on on the Biden thread then?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 22, 2024 21:18:39 GMT
Tragic post Paul. You’re acting like his old man. It was a light hearted jibe nothing more. And there is a real hypocrisy here, not necessarily from yourself but there are plenty who don’t agree with cobs who regularly post material about the man, who I happen to think is one of the best and most impartial posters on here, that go a bit further than 2 nil to whoever. I understand there is a fine line between a joke and an insult these days, far too fine for me, but surely you can see it was a joke that lots of people (adults) make on a daily basis. You're not going to reply to the post I directly quoted you on on the Biden thread then? No😉
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 22, 2024 21:21:10 GMT
You're not going to reply to the post I directly quoted you on on the Biden thread then? No😉 And why doesn't that surprise me ... 🙄
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 22, 2024 21:24:02 GMT
Starkiller 2 RWB 0 Really dissapointed in you with this type of post Cobs. I thought you were one of the more sensible ones. I know that there's a regular cabal of you lot, each egging each other on via PM but you are the ones who regularly accuse (wrongly imo) other people of posting to point score, yet here you are celebrating that very fact, as if it's some sort of perverted sport. People have different opinions, that is all. www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/babies-cries-may-predict-what-they-will-sound-adults-180969669/
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 22, 2024 21:25:36 GMT
And why doesn't that surprise me ... 🙄 Because you probably know by now I’m not interested in getting into all night discussions with a stranger on a messageboard. And let’s be honest, that’s what it’ll become. I bid you farewell this evening and maybe we can catch up tomorrow old bean. I more than anyone, need my beauty sleep👍🏻
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 22, 2024 21:27:46 GMT
Really dissapointed in you with this type of post Cobs. I thought you were one of the more sensible ones. I know that there's a regular cabal of you lot, each egging each other on via PM but you are the ones who regularly accuse (wrongly imo) other people of posting to point score, yet here you are celebrating that very fact, as if it's some sort of perverted sport. People have different opinions, that is all. www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/babies-cries-may-predict-what-they-will-sound-adults-180969669/Mate, it is waaay more effective if you post the actual image, rather than simply a line of html. Indeed, it's pretty arrogant, to expect people to have to open a link, just to see a piss poor image that's been used many tines before ...
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 22, 2024 21:30:49 GMT
Mate, it is waaay more effective if you post the actual image, rather than simply a line of html. Indeed, it's pretty arrogant, to expect people to have to open a link, just to see a piss poor image that's been used many tines before ... I’m really disappointed in you Cobs One of the most pathetic things I’ve read in a long while😊infact embarrassing from a grown man Send him to his room,ground him for a few days FFS
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 22, 2024 21:30:51 GMT
And why doesn't that surprise me ... 🙄 Because you probably know by now I’m not interested in getting into all night discussions with a stranger on a messageboard. And let’s be honest, that’s what it’ll become. I bid you farewell this evening and maybe we can catch up tomorrow old bean. I more than anyone, need my beauty sleep👍🏻 The reason you didn't reply was because it was a bullshit accusation and when you were actually put on the spot, you knew that you couldn't back it up. You never know though, by tomorrow, you might have come up with an answer. Enjoy your sleep ...
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 22, 2024 21:32:19 GMT
Because you probably know by now I’m not interested in getting into all night discussions with a stranger on a messageboard. And let’s be honest, that’s what it’ll become. I bid you farewell this evening and maybe we can catch up tomorrow old bean. I more than anyone, need my beauty sleep👍🏻 The reason you didn't reply was because it was a bullshit accusation and when you were actually put on the spot, you knew that you couldn't back it up. You never know though, by tomorrow, you might have come up with an answer. Enjoy your sleep ... 😴
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jul 22, 2024 21:33:41 GMT
. Myself I grew up in Fenton, and attended two schools which had mixed classes, native English, Polish, Romanian, Pakistani and African, so I was exposed to different cultures, different ways of life and behaviours from a relatively formative age, my parents did their best to prepare me for this but I don’t think they could possibly have foreseen me and my best mate being chased for being on a street that apparently “belonged” to the Pakistani kids who were in year 11 at the time, we were fresh faced 11 year olds in year 7 who simply wanted to get home withoutany fuss, which shouldn’t have been an issue in Longton as a native but evidently it was, or they couldn’t possibly have foreseen another friend of mine being ragged off his bike in Fenton by Romanians when he was 13, he had a knife pulled on him and everything, we just weren’t exposed to this way of life as kids because that’s not how we live. This also happened to me growing up in Chesterton. If you were from Waterhayes Village (the new build estate at the time) and you walked through Crackley, you'd get a smack in the mouth. Not by some evil foreign invader, but by a British born reprobate who'd decided you deserved it because you had a garden rather than a yard. Some humans are dickheads, irrespective of their nationality. I also had a knife pulled on me by a British born Jehovah's Witness for questioning why he claimed to have had sex before marriage. In my 39 years on this planet, I've had more bad encounters with British morons than foreign born ones (in both absolute and percentage terms).
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