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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 22, 2024 15:51:52 GMT
Whoda thunkit? On this very thread too Just a bit of context New Culture Forum. Emmnon ltd Tufton St london .Directors Pete whittle (dep leader ukip) Niel Anderson Ideological backbone behind Liz Truss. Both Brexit funders and climate deniers big pals with Bannon and Farage. Well worth a watch if you belive any old shit that fits you agenda....... Absolutely - posted this in rresponse a few pages back - a good read from the byline times.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 22, 2024 15:55:12 GMT
A survey of 2000 people over 10 years ago doesn't really prove anything. Especially when some of those included in the stat said they were a "little prejeduce". However how someone, or the media, present the statistics can certainly influence how people interpert it. From the co-director of your survey: So in 2014, 3% of 2000 surveyed said they were very prejudiced. Source - www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/27/racism-in-uk-can-we-measure-racial-prejudicePsychologically there have also been studies done which show many people are unintentionally prejeducided against other races. I imagine many of those who say they are a little prejeducided are probably taking implicit bias into account. That doesn't make them racist. Explicit Bias on the other hand was over 50% in the 80s and down to 15% in the early 2010s. Source - www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-40124781The bigger question should be. Why did the bbc, and other news outlets, at the time of that survey being released use a survey where 3% people said they were very prejudiced against other races and try to make that into a "racism is on the rise" headline. Division. Given that I said "There is a sizeable rump of people in the UK who just don't like foreign-looking people and/or those who don't fit the general "white/'Christian'/straight" profile". and was then challenged about such an assertion, I'd say that link pretty much does back up precisely what I said. "Some prejudice" = 'very prejudiced' and 'a little prejudiced'. It seems to fit quite accurately. And that accounts for roughly 30% of respondents. I mean, that figure shouldn't really shock anyone overly, given the responses online, on here and in person. The question in the survey is about being prejudiced against people of other races, so why presume automatically that the respondents aren't from a variety of ethnicities, just the one that will fit the argument being made? Surely that's discriminatory behaviour in itself; against the ethnicity being tarred with that brush, and the other ethnicities being excluded from that response? Being fair that survey is evidence that shouldn't really be used surely as it's just supporting supposition without providing the detail behind it?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 22, 2024 16:03:51 GMT
Given that I said "There is a sizeable rump of people in the UK who just don't like foreign-looking people and/or those who don't fit the general "white/'Christian'/straight" profile". and was then challenged about such an assertion, I'd say that link pretty much does back up precisely what I said. "Some prejudice" = 'very prejudiced' and 'a little prejudiced'. It seems to fit quite accurately. And that accounts for roughly 30% of respondents. I mean, that figure shouldn't really shock anyone overly, given the responses online, on here and in person. The question in the survey is about being prejudiced against people of other races, so why presume automatically that the respondents aren't from a variety of ethnicities, just the one that will fit the argument being made? Surely that's discriminatory behaviour in itself; against the ethnicity being tarred with that brush, and the other ethnicities being excluded from that response? Being fair that survey is evidence that shouldn't really be used surely as it's just supporting supposition without providing the detail behind it? I guess all of us have some sort of prejudice against someone or something based on our life experiences. There are some that have a prejudice against people that have the same characteristics as themselves because they think it makes them a better person though they’ll never admit it. I used to dislike Geordie having lived there in some difficult years when I was 15-17. Having worked with a few since I identified it was the circs rather than the people as a whole that formed that prejudice. Now I think they’re a canny bunch. Now my prejudice is cyclists in lycra
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Post by starkiller on Jul 22, 2024 16:10:24 GMT
And this message board isn’t an echo chamber for you to hurl abuse at someone for having a different opinion to your own. wind your neck in and chill ffs. Posting race hate is not "expressing an opinion" mate. It's divisive and dangerous and needs challenging every time it appears. I agree they there should be no place for hate anywhere. But how actually do the working classes raise concerns, when these concerns have been glossed over for decades? The working classes and the poor are the ones most affected by mass influx, with a direct impact on services, housing, jobs, healthcare, environment, traffic, pollution, social cohesion, crime, and even access to foodbanks. The middle and above classes are rarely impacted, and I don't mean cuisine at fancy restaurants, and service at swanky hotels. Things that the poorest have little use for. It's a case of blame the immigration, not the immigrants (unless the behaviour warrants it of course). No-one dare put a number on it, but that has to be done. How many per year - one million, two million, 500,000? What should be the number? How many can this country sustain? 80 million, 100 million, 150 million? Where do they go? What does it do to the quality of life, especially for those who have little quality of life? How does it impact those things mentioned - services, housing, healthcare, jobs, environment, traffic, pollution, crime, and social cohesion? Of course there is far more to it than just immigration, but it does play a part. Again, what is the number? What should the burden be on the taxpayer, especially when you consider the number of recent immigrants out of work, and even more telling, the number that have never even worked in the UK? And who can blame them if they don't need to? Again, this is the fault of immigration policy. Very few other countries have such liberal policies of immigration. You are usually required to have job and private healthcare, and if illegal then detained and removed. Is most of the world far right and racist? If so, then we should be even more concerned about who we are welcoming to these shores? Was the Tory 'far right' government right to bring in over a million per year? What number should it be, and when should we consider England specifically to be full? And how exactly are the voiceless working classes meant to have the discussion about the impacts on their country and neighbourhoods, without being labelled the usual?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 22, 2024 16:37:10 GMT
Given that I said "There is a sizeable rump of people in the UK who just don't like foreign-looking people and/or those who don't fit the general "white/'Christian'/straight" profile". and was then challenged about such an assertion, I'd say that link pretty much does back up precisely what I said. "Some prejudice" = 'very prejudiced' and 'a little prejudiced'. It seems to fit quite accurately. And that accounts for roughly 30% of respondents. I mean, that figure shouldn't really shock anyone overly, given the responses online, on here and in person. The question in the survey is about being prejudiced against people of other races, so why presume automatically that the respondents aren't from a variety of ethnicities, just the one that will fit the argument being made? Surely that's discriminatory behaviour in itself; against the ethnicity being tarred with that brush, and the other ethnicities being excluded from that response? Being fair that survey is evidence that shouldn't really be used surely as it's just supporting supposition without providing the detail behind it? Given that the survey was carried out on behalf of BSA, it was done on a representative basis and will therefore have been overwhelmingly white (about 86% given the demographic at the time). So, while it is fair to say that other ethnicities will have been included in the survey and may well have described themselves as prejudiced, it's also entirely legitimate to conclude that because the representative sample of 2000 was 86% white, the majority of pejudice will have been towards, as I said, those not in the "white/"Christian"/straight" section of society. It surprises me that so many people on here seem so unwilling to accept this, especially when there are so many examples of both individual and institutional racism in this country over many years. I think it's probably just denial and a simple unwillingness to accept a fairly obvious truth, that a decent number of people don't like others who don't conform to their group ideals.
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Post by Bagwash on Jul 22, 2024 16:44:45 GMT
Posting race hate is not "expressing an opinion" mate. It's divisive and dangerous and needs challenging every time it appears. I agree they there should be no place for hate anywhere. But how actually do the working classes raise concerns, when these concerns have been glossed over for decades? The working classes and the poor are the ones most affected by mass influx, with a direct impact on services, housing, jobs, healthcare, environment, traffic, pollution, social cohesion, crime, and even access to foodbanks. The middle and above classes are rarely impacted, and I don't mean cuisine at fancy restaurants, and service at swanky hotels. Things that the poorest have little use for. It's a case of blame the immigration, not the immigrants (unless the behaviour warrants it of course). No-one dare put a number on it, but that has to be done. How many per year - one million, two million, 500,000? What should be the number? How many can this country sustain? 80 million, 100 million, 150 million? Where do they go? What does it do to the quality of life, especially for those who have little quality of life? How does it impact those things mentioned - services, housing, healthcare, jobs, environment, traffic, pollution, crime, and social cohesion? Again, what is the number? What should the burden be on the taxpayer, especially when you consider the number of recent immigrants out of work, and even more telling, the number that have never even worked in the UK? And who can blame them if they don't need to? Again, this is the fault of immigration policy. Very few other countries have such liberal policies of immigration. You are usually required to have job and private healthcare, and if illegal then detained and removed. Is most of the world far right and racist? If so, then we should be even more concerned about who we are welcoming to these shores? Was the Tory 'far right' government right to bring in over a million per year? What number should it be, and when should we consider England specifically to be full? And how exactly are the voiceless working classes meant to have the discussion about the impacts on their country and neighbourhoods, without being labelled the usual? Excellent post.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 22, 2024 16:48:41 GMT
Posting race hate is not "expressing an opinion" mate. It's divisive and dangerous and needs challenging every time it appears. I agree they there should be no place for hate anywhere. But how actually do the working classes raise concerns, when these concerns have been glossed over for decades? The working classes and the poor are the ones most affected by mass influx, with a direct impact on services, housing, jobs, healthcare, environment, traffic, pollution, social cohesion, crime, and even access to foodbanks. The middle and above classes are rarely impacted, and I don't mean cuisine at fancy restaurants, and service at swanky hotels. Things that the poorest have little use for. It's a case of blame the immigration, not the immigrants (unless the behaviour warrants it of course). No-one dare put a number on it, but that has to be done. How many per year - one million, two million, 500,000? What should be the number? How many can this country sustain? 80 million, 100 million, 150 million? Where do they go? What does it do to the quality of life, especially for those who have little quality of life? How does it impact those things mentioned - services, housing, healthcare, jobs, environment, traffic, pollution, crime, and social cohesion? Of course there is far more to it than just immigration, but it does play a part. Again, what is the number? What should the burden be on the taxpayer, especially when you consider the number of recent immigrants out of work, and even more telling, the number that have never even worked in the UK? And who can blame them if they don't need to? Again, this is the fault of immigration policy. Very few other countries have such liberal policies of immigration. You are usually required to have job and private healthcare, and if illegal then detained and removed. Is most of the world far right and racist? If so, then we should be even more concerned about who we are welcoming to these shores? Was the Tory 'far right' government right to bring in over a million per year? What number should it be, and when should we consider England specifically to be full? And how exactly are the voiceless working classes meant to have the discussion about the impacts on their country and neighbourhoods, without being labelled the usual? Excellent post
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Post by foster on Jul 22, 2024 17:35:52 GMT
Posting race hate is not "expressing an opinion" mate. It's divisive and dangerous and needs challenging every time it appears. I agree they there should be no place for hate anywhere. But how actually do the working classes raise concerns, when these concerns have been glossed over for decades? The working classes and the poor are the ones most affected by mass influx, with a direct impact on services, housing, jobs, healthcare, environment, traffic, pollution, social cohesion, crime, and even access to foodbanks. The middle and above classes are rarely impacted, and I don't mean cuisine at fancy restaurants, and service at swanky hotels. Things that the poorest have little use for. It's a case of blame the immigration, not the immigrants (unless the behaviour warrants it of course). No-one dare put a number on it, but that has to be done. How many per year - one million, two million, 500,000? What should be the number? How many can this country sustain? 80 million, 100 million, 150 million? Where do they go? What does it do to the quality of life, especially for those who have little quality of life? How does it impact those things mentioned - services, housing, healthcare, jobs, environment, traffic, pollution, crime, and social cohesion? Of course there is far more to it than just immigration, but it does play a part. Again, what is the number? What should the burden be on the taxpayer, especially when you consider the number of recent immigrants out of work, and even more telling, the number that have never even worked in the UK? And who can blame them if they don't need to? Again, this is the fault of immigration policy. Very few other countries have such liberal policies of immigration. You are usually required to have job and private healthcare, and if illegal then detained and removed. Is most of the world far right and racist? If so, then we should be even more concerned about who we are welcoming to these shores? Was the Tory 'far right' government right to bring in over a million per year? What number should it be, and when should we consider England specifically to be full? And how exactly are the voiceless working classes meant to have the discussion about the impacts on their country and neighbourhoods, without being labelled the usual? Excellent post
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 22, 2024 17:44:25 GMT
Posting race hate is not "expressing an opinion" mate. It's divisive and dangerous and needs challenging every time it appears. I agree they there should be no place for hate anywhere. But how actually do the working classes raise concerns, when these concerns have been glossed over for decades? The working classes and the poor are the ones most affected by mass influx, with a direct impact on services, housing, jobs, healthcare, environment, traffic, pollution, social cohesion, crime, and even access to foodbanks. The middle and above classes are rarely impacted, and I don't mean cuisine at fancy restaurants, and service at swanky hotels. Things that the poorest have little use for. It's a case of blame the immigration, not the immigrants (unless the behaviour warrants it of course). No-one dare put a number on it, but that has to be done. How many per year - one million, two million, 500,000? What should be the number? How many can this country sustain? 80 million, 100 million, 150 million? Where do they go? What does it do to the quality of life, especially for those who have little quality of life? How does it impact those things mentioned - services, housing, healthcare, jobs, environment, traffic, pollution, crime, and social cohesion? Of course there is far more to it than just immigration, but it does play a part. Again, what is the number? What should the burden be on the taxpayer, especially when you consider the number of recent immigrants out of work, and even more telling, the number that have never even worked in the UK? And who can blame them if they don't need to? Again, this is the fault of immigration policy. Very few other countries have such liberal policies of immigration. You are usually required to have job and private healthcare, and if illegal then detained and removed. Is most of the world far right and racist? If so, then we should be even more concerned about who we are welcoming to these shores? Was the Tory 'far right' government right to bring in over a million per year? What number should it be, and when should we consider England specifically to be full? And how exactly are the voiceless working classes meant to have the discussion about the impacts on their country and neighbourhoods, without being labelled the usual? Smashing post
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Post by starkiller on Jul 22, 2024 17:48:55 GMT
The question in the survey is about being prejudiced against people of other races, so why presume automatically that the respondents aren't from a variety of ethnicities, just the one that will fit the argument being made? Surely that's discriminatory behaviour in itself; against the ethnicity being tarred with that brush, and the other ethnicities being excluded from that response? Being fair that survey is evidence that shouldn't really be used surely as it's just supporting supposition without providing the detail behind it? Given that the survey was carried out on behalf of BSA, it was done on a representative basis and will therefore have been overwhelmingly white (about 86% given the demographic at the time). So, while it is fair to say that other ethnicities will have been included in the survey and may well have described themselves as prejudiced, it's also entirely legitimate to conclude that because the representative sample of 2000 was 86% white, the majority of pejudice will have been towards, as I said, those not in the "white/"Christian"/straight" section of society. It surprises me that so many people on here seem so unwilling to accept this, especially when there are so many examples of both individual and institutional racism in this country over many years. I think it's probably just denial and a simple unwillingness to accept a fairly obvious truth, that a decent number of people don't like others who don't conform to their group ideals. If that is the conclusion, and since the UK, and England specifically, is one of the most diverse and welcoming countries in the world, what does that say about other countries and people? In fact, it's an absolute damning indictment on the rest of the world. You know what people are sick of the most in this country? They are absolutely sick of being told what utter shit people they are by those that scramble over each other in a race to proclaim themselves 'on message'. Who jump on any discussion of race, immigration, and those who mention it as the new Hitler. It's no wonder that some people attach themselves to profile figures who don't care what they are called. And therefore little sensible discussion can ever take place. Flick through TV channels in most countries and regions in the world and you will not see any other race than the indigenous. And neither will you see self-loathing discussions about how terrible they are, or inviting a white immigrant to tell them how terrible it is to live there, and questioning why there isn't more white representation. Most of the world doesn't give a fuck and would simply laugh at phrases like 'institutional racism'. Indigenous bias is to be expected in a country. That's why it's, well, ... a country in the first place. And when I am a guest in another country, that's exactly what I expect. Numbers in a community does have an effect. And you know what, different cultures, and ideologies, have an effect too. Which is why most of the world doesn't do what the UK does. So if you want to preach at people about their 'unwillingness to accept' how shit they are, then maybe the UK isn't your best target. Because no matter how bad you think the people of this country are, in general they are better than most of the rest of the world at the issues you are concerned with. Including the countries we welcome people from.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 22, 2024 17:53:24 GMT
Given that the survey was carried out on behalf of BSA, it was done on a representative basis and will therefore have been overwhelmingly white (about 86% given the demographic at the time). So, while it is fair to say that other ethnicities will have been included in the survey and may well have described themselves as prejudiced, it's also entirely legitimate to conclude that because the representative sample of 2000 was 86% white, the majority of pejudice will have been towards, as I said, those not in the "white/"Christian"/straight" section of society. It surprises me that so many people on here seem so unwilling to accept this, especially when there are so many examples of both individual and institutional racism in this country over many years. I think it's probably just denial and a simple unwillingness to accept a fairly obvious truth, that a decent number of people don't like others who don't conform to their group ideals. If that is the conclusion, and since the UK, and England specifically, is one of the most diverse and welcoming countries in the world, what does that say about other countries and people? In fact, it's an absolute damning indictment on the rest of the world. You know what people are sick of the most in this country? They are absolutely sick of being told what utter shit people they are by those that scramble over each other in a race to proclaim themselves 'on message'. Who jump on any discussion of race, immigration, and those who mention it as the new Hitler. It's no wonder that some people attach themselves to profile figures who don't care what they are called. And therefore little sensible discussion can ever take place. Flick through TV channels in most countries and regions in the world and you will not see any other race than the indigenous. And neither will you see self-loathing discussions about how terrible they are, or inviting a white immigrant to tell them how terrible it is to live there, and questioning why there isn't more white representation. Most of the world doesn't give a fuck and would simply laugh at phrases like 'institutional racism'. Indigenous bias is to be expected in a country. That's why it's, well, ... a country in the first place. And when I am a guest in another country, that's exactly what I expect. Numbers in a community does have an effect. And you know what, different cultures, and ideologies, have an effect too. Which is why most of the world doesn't do what the UK does. So if you want to preach at people about their 'unwillingness to accept' how shit they are, then maybe the UK isn't your best target. Because no matter how bad you think the people of this country are, in general they are better than most of the rest of the world at the issues you are concerned with. Including the countries we welcome people from. You are on absolute fire mate! And a million percent correct to boot. Bravo!
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 22, 2024 18:00:54 GMT
The question in the survey is about being prejudiced against people of other races, so why presume automatically that the respondents aren't from a variety of ethnicities, just the one that will fit the argument being made? Surely that's discriminatory behaviour in itself; against the ethnicity being tarred with that brush, and the other ethnicities being excluded from that response? Being fair that survey is evidence that shouldn't really be used surely as it's just supporting supposition without providing the detail behind it? Given that the survey was carried out on behalf of BSA, it was done on a representative basis and will therefore have been overwhelmingly white (about 86% given the demographic at the time). So, while it is fair to say that other ethnicities will have been included in the survey and may well have described themselves as prejudiced, it's also entirely legitimate to conclude that because the representative sample of 2000 was 86% white, the majority of pejudice will have been towards, as I said, those not in the "white/"Christian"/straight" section of society. It surprises me that so many people on here seem so unwilling to accept this, especially when there are so many examples of both individual and institutional racism in this country over many years. I think it's probably just denial and a simple unwillingness to accept a fairly obvious truth, that a decent number of people don't like others who don't conform to their group ideals. Agree massively with your last paragraph, it's super evident on here.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 22, 2024 18:07:52 GMT
The question in the survey is about being prejudiced against people of other races, so why presume automatically that the respondents aren't from a variety of ethnicities, just the one that will fit the argument being made? Surely that's discriminatory behaviour in itself; against the ethnicity being tarred with that brush, and the other ethnicities being excluded from that response? Being fair that survey is evidence that shouldn't really be used surely as it's just supporting supposition without providing the detail behind it? Now my prejudice is cyclists in lycra Utter cunts, lycra or otherwise. We should swap them with the immigrants, that'd be a fair trade. Jeremy Vine, that nonce who photographs anyone in a car, daring to breathe, Bradley Wiggins, Salop and Badger for Ioan, Abdul, Xian and Aberash. They'd soon be complaining about borders and people smuggling.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 22, 2024 18:09:57 GMT
Now my prejudice is cyclists in lycra Utter cunts, lycra or otherwise. We should swap them with the immigrants, that'd be a fair trade. Jeremy Vine, that nonce who photographs anyone in a car, daring to breathe, Bradley Wiggins, Salop and Badger for Ioan, Abdul, Xian and Aberash. They'd soon be complaining about borders and people smuggling. Do you mind not insulting me whilst I’m “offline” please😉
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Post by chamberlain on Jul 22, 2024 18:10:31 GMT
That genuinely might be the worst thing anyone has shared to prove an argument. 2000 people 10 years ago. Absolutely do one. Infact Educate Yourself 😂 If you're looking for a more up to date Poll YouGov does a bi-annual poll from its database of millions on various subjects The latest result (January 2024) to the question "The extent British people feel ethnic minorities are discriminated against for Jobs" The result is 38% agree, a similar number disagree, 15% believe there is positive discrimination towards Ethnic Minorities while 10% Don't Know These results have been fairly consistent since the Polls began in August 2019 I would suggest that equal Job Opportunities was a fundamental of Equal Rights although a high proportion of British people don't believe Ethnic Minorities have that Basic Right It's a difficult one to spin against although I expect some may try yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/the-extent-brits-feel-ethnic-minorities-are-discriminated-against-for-jobsSo nearly 4 in ten British people think ethnic minorities are discriminated for jobs. What do they class as British ? What experience of this discrimation are these people's feelings based on ? Have they witnessed it or is it just how they feel ?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 22, 2024 18:11:44 GMT
If you're looking for a more up to date Poll YouGov does a bi-annual poll from its database of millions on various subjects The latest result (January 2024) to the question "The extent British people feel ethnic minorities are discriminated against for Jobs" The result is 38% agree, a similar number disagree, 15% believe there is positive discrimination towards Ethnic Minorities while 10% Don't Know These results have been fairly consistent since the Polls began in August 2019 I would suggest that equal Job Opportunities was a fundamental of Equal Rights although a high proportion of British people don't believe Ethnic Minorities have that Basic Right It's a difficult one to spin against although I expect some may try yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/the-extent-brits-feel-ethnic-minorities-are-discriminated-against-for-jobsSo nearly 4 in ten British people think ethnic minorities are discriminated for jobs. What do they class as British ? What experience of this discrimation are these people's feelings based on ? Have they witnessed it or is it just how they feel ? It’s utter bollocks is what it is, not even worth your time looking at it mate
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 22, 2024 18:33:38 GMT
The police didn't mishandle the grooming gangs , they deliberately ignored the victims in the interest of community relations. Don't you recognise the MO of how these far left groups pick on this sort of incident to further their agenda? 1 Find bad event (riot in Leeds), that the general population are suffering because of. 2 Spam edited clips of local non white people that portrays them in a positive light, and disregard any that don't. 3 Disregard any negative action from the event unless you can identify a white person doing it, preferably a middle aged male. That's the sweet spot. If you find one then use that as an example to claim that everyone else is innocent. 4 Ignore and disregard anything from the real world. If it doesn't impact you personally then it doesn't exist. 5 If anyone provides facts about the event then deflect the topic of discussion by insinuating that they are racist. 6 if they continue to tell the truth then ridicule them further by insinuating they're racist and making fun of them publicly. 7 keep calling them racist until the topic of discussion is fully deflected. If needed, bring in clips of Nigel Farage or Tommy Robinson to detract further from the actual topic at hand. Rinse and repeat. 1 No one in the general population is suffering from the riot in Leeds. It was a local issue that died down in 24 hours and no-one was hurt. However some of the posters on here are hellbent on claiming the "rivers of blood" are finally upon us. They aren't. 2 The initial videos of a non white man apparently stirring up trouble were subsequently exposed as false. They were put out by supporters of the far right in an attempt to associate the riot with Islam. It wasn't the left spamming this site with dodgy videos, it was far right sympathisers. 3 Literally no-one has blamed a middle aged white man for this. However there are plenty of middle aged white men yet again bleating about them being the real victims in all of this. 4 No one is claiming the riot in Leeds didn't happen. There are some people making spurious claims about the reasons for why it happened but anyone who isn't coming into this with their personal prejudices flying high are going to wait until a proper investigation and report is produced on the actual causes of the incident. 5 There is bugger all in the way of facts about this incident. There are load of posts including videos by known far right activists and sympathisers claiming they have exclusive access to the reasons behind this incident when their "facts" are just shit stirring attempts to link the incident with their racist agenda. 6 If you are referring to me I'm not ridiculing anyone or "implying" they are racist. I'm calling them out for deliberately posting far right racist propaganda. Being racist is not an offence. Inciting racial hatred is. The propaganda being posted is designed withthe express intention of inciting racial hatred and recruiting people to the cause. Anyone can see what's going on here. 7 That is just laughable. It is those of you on the right who keep claiming this is a race issue when in fact no-one is in possession of the real reasons behind the riot. Any deflection going on here is being done in the name of the far right who are deflecting the issue from the real root cause (which currently isn't clear) to their political agenda - and it is they who are posting videos of Tommy Robinson and Farage to turn it into a race/immigrant/Muslim issue.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 22, 2024 18:42:26 GMT
This is “Britain” now, and it will only get worse and worse as the years trundle on by.
Our heroes of the past fought valiantly for this nation to avoid occupation only for the ones who are supposed to have our best interests at heart to let it happen a few decades later, it’s a complete disgrace.
This country is a cesspit, there are areas of it that are now completely unrecognisable and indeed complete no go areas.
People have had enough after years and years of being told to tow the party line and to shut their mouths as their communities folded around them and I remain convinced that there will be a civil war at some point in the next decade and the powers that be cannot say they never saw it coming.
It is not racist to point out that multiculturalism has failed spectacularly not just in Britain but in wider Europe as well, and refusing to acknowledge what is unfolding in front of our very eyes will be the coup de grace for our once proud nation.
My world view is shaped on interactions I have in my own life, rather than reading someone’s pious tweet or doomscrolling political threads on reddit, and my view is of a nation that is completely unrecognisable from the one I grew up in as a kid and I’m only 31, so fucking Christ knows how my old man must feel being born in the 60’s.
My old man’s side of the family grew up in Shelton, back when it was a prosperous area not the decayed ruin it is in the present day, him and my aunty always used to knock around in the parks and walk into Hanley on their own even as very young kids, a couple of years back my aunty (who was 66 at the time) did her usual trip into Hanley like she has done every week for 5 decades of her life, she was mugged and had the shit kicked out of her by no less than six Romanian muggers, they were identified as Romanian by a passer by who could speak the language and recognised what the vermin were saying, in broad daylight, so now she doesn’t even feel safe in the very town she grew up in as a native Englishwoman.
Myself I grew up in Fenton, and attended two schools which had mixed classes, native English, Polish, Romanian, Pakistani and African, so I was exposed to different cultures, different ways of life and behaviours from a relatively formative age, my parents did their best to prepare me for this but I don’t think they could possibly have foreseen me and my best mate being chased for being on a street that apparently “belonged” to the Pakistani kids who were in year 11 at the time, we were fresh faced 11 year olds in year 7 who simply wanted to get home withoutany fuss, which shouldn’t have been an issue in Longton as a native but evidently it was, or they couldn’t possibly have foreseen another friend of mine being ragged off his bike in Fenton by Romanians when he was 13, he had a knife pulled on him and everything, we just weren’t exposed to this way of life as kids because that’s not how we live.
Into adult life I’ve had nothing but abrupt rudeness from the majority of Eastern Europeans and Asians I’ve dealt with (With exception to the Polish who have always been salt of the earth whenever I’ve met, worked with or dealt with on any level), again I know now after educating myself that speaking to people like utter shit and like you own them is a cultural thing in these places, but again, not here.
I’ve been out at night with my missus and when I’ve come back from the toilet found her being harangued by Pakistanis who clearly weren’t there for a Carling and a boogie, when I approached I was told to, and I quote this because I’ll never forget it “fuck off or we’ll slit your throat and rape your white whore missus”, again this is happening to a native Englishman in my own nation in a club I had been frequenting for years.
I could go on and on and on with anecdotes I’ve had from the imports we’ve had into this country, have they all been negative? Absolutely not, as said I have the pleasure of knowing some fine Poles, one half of my missus’s side of the family is Polish and they’re unbelievable people, I’ve worked with individuals who came from real war torn desperate places like Eritrea, the Congo and the Central African Republic, fantastic people who would give you the shirt off their back and simply want to crack on with their lives in a prosperous country that gives them the opportunity to live a life they would never have got to have lived otherwise, but the majority of dealings I have had have been overwhelmingly negative.
Like I said this is what I’ve seen and experienced with my own eyes, call me what you want I do not care, I care only for the wellbeing of my loved ones and friends, I absolutely dread when my missus goes shopping on her own in Hanley, Hanley of all places for fucks sake anyone would think she’d gone to Mogadishu not a simple town centre in a relatively small city in England.
I fear for the future of this countries identity, I fear for the future of our societal norms, I fear for the future of our ability to speak freely without fear of violent retribution simply because our opinions are not agreed with, I fear for the future of our very infrastructure which cannot handle this level of usage, and most importantly of all, I fear for the state of the nation which my future children will grow up in.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 22, 2024 18:50:27 GMT
This is “Britain” now, and it will only get worse and worse as the years trundle on by. Our heroes of the past fought valiantly for this nation to avoid occupation only for the ones who are supposed to have our best interests at heart to let it happen a few decades later, it’s a complete disgrace. This country is a cesspit, there are areas of it that are now completely unrecognisable and indeed complete no go areas. People have had enough after years and years of being told to tow the party line and to shut their mouths as their communities folded around them and I remain convinced that there will be a civil war at some point in the next decade and the powers that be cannot say they never saw it coming. It is not racist to point out that multiculturalism has failed spectacularly not just in Britain but in wider Europe as well, and refusing to acknowledge what is unfolding in front of our very eyes will be the coup de grace for our once proud nation. My world view is shaped on interactions I have in my own life, rather than reading someone’s pious tweet or doomscrolling political threads on reddit, and my view is of a nation that is completely unrecognisable from the one I grew up in as a kid and I’m only 31, so fucking Christ knows how my old man must feel being born in the 60’s. My old man’s side of the family grew up in Shelton, back when it was a prosperous area not the decayed ruin it is in the present day, him and my aunty always used to knock around in the parks and walk into Hanley on their own even as very young kids, a couple of years back my aunty (who was 66 at the time) did her usual trip into Hanley like she has done every week for 5 decades of her life, she was mugged and had the shit kicked out of her by no less than six Romanian muggers, they were identified as Romanian by a passer by who could speak the language and recognised what the vermin were saying, in broad daylight, so now she doesn’t even feel safe in the very town she grew up in as a native Englishwoman. Myself I grew up in Fenton, and attended two schools which had mixed classes, native English, Polish, Romanian, Pakistani and African, so I was exposed to different cultures, different ways of life and behaviours from a relatively formative age, my parents did their best to prepare me for this but I don’t think they could possibly have foreseen me and my best mate being chased for being on a street that apparently “belonged” to the Pakistani kids who were in year 11 at the time, we were fresh faced 11 year olds in year 7 who simply wanted to get home withoutany fuss, which shouldn’t have been an issue in Longton as a native but evidently it was, or they couldn’t possibly have foreseen another friend of mine being ragged off his bike in Fenton by Romanians when he was 13, he had a knife pulled on him and everything, we just weren’t exposed to this way of life as kids because that’s not how we live. Into adult life I’ve had nothing but abrupt rudeness from the majority of Eastern Europeans and Asians I’ve dealt with (With exception to the Polish who have always been salt of the earth whenever I’ve met, worked with or dealt with on any level), again I know now after educating myself that speaking to people like utter shit and like you own them is a cultural thing in these places, but again, not here. I’ve been out at night with my missus and when I’ve come back from the toilet found her being harangued by Pakistanis who clearly weren’t there for a Carling and a boogie, when I approached I was told to, and I quote this because I’ll never forget it “fuck off or we’ll slit your throat and rape your white whore missus”, again this is happening to a native Englishman in my own nation in a club I had been frequenting for years. I could go on and on and on with anecdotes I’ve had from the imports we’ve had into this country, have they all been negative? Absolutely not, as said I have the pleasure of knowing some fine Poles, one half of my missus’s side of the family is Polish and they’re unbelievable people, I’ve worked with individuals who came from real war torn desperate places like Eritrea, the Congo and the Central African Republic, fantastic people who would give you the shirt off their back and simply want to crack on with their lives in a prosperous country that gives them the opportunity to live a life they would never have got to have lived otherwise, but the majority of dealings I have had have been overwhelmingly negative. Like I said this is what I’ve seen and experienced with my own eyes, call me what you want I do not care, I care only for the wellbeing of my loved ones and friends, I absolutely dread when my missus goes shopping on her own in Hanley, Hanley of all places for fucks sake anyone would think she’d gone to Mogadishu not a simple town centre in a relatively small city in England. I fear for the future of this countries identity, I fear for the future of our societal norms, I fear for the future of our ability to speak freely without fear of violent retribution simply because our opinions are not agreed with, I fear for the future of our very infrastructure which cannot handle this level of usage, and most importantly of all, I fear for the state of the nation which my future children will grow up in. Mr Keyboard and his chronies will not like this mate at all🤷♂️be prepared for all the vitriol that will undoubtedly come your way for voicing an opinion that is becoming the norm in this country.You are spot on by the way👍👏
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Post by wannabee on Jul 22, 2024 18:51:17 GMT
If you're looking for a more up to date Poll YouGov does a bi-annual poll from its database of millions on various subjects The latest result (January 2024) to the question "The extent British people feel ethnic minorities are discriminated against for Jobs" The result is 38% agree, a similar number disagree, 15% believe there is positive discrimination towards Ethnic Minorities while 10% Don't Know These results have been fairly consistent since the Polls began in August 2019 I would suggest that equal Job Opportunities was a fundamental of Equal Rights although a high proportion of British people don't believe Ethnic Minorities have that Basic Right It's a difficult one to spin against although I expect some may try yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/the-extent-brits-feel-ethnic-minorities-are-discriminated-against-for-jobsSo nearly 4 in ten British people think ethnic minorities are discriminated for jobs. A) What do they class as British ? B) What experience of this discrimation are these people's feelings based on ? C) Have they witnessed it or is it just how they feel ? "For nationally representative samples, YouGov draws a sub-sample of the panel that is representative of British adults in terms of age, gender, social class and education, and invites this sub-sample to complete a survey."
The representative sample of people selected from Millions on YouGov were asked a simple question. A different panel twice a year over the last 5 years without any noticeable change in results The Question: "The extent brits feel ethnic-minorities are discriminated against for jobs" Answer Options: Greater: No difference: Lesser: Don't Know A) People that are British B) Who knows, if YouGov selected people deliberately based on experience it's no longer a valid random sample C) See B) yougov.co.uk/about/panel-methodology
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 22, 2024 18:51:53 GMT
This is “Britain” now, and it will only get worse and worse as the years trundle on by. Our heroes of the past fought valiantly for this nation to avoid occupation only for the ones who are supposed to have our best interests at heart to let it happen a few decades later, it’s a complete disgrace. This country is a cesspit, there are areas of it that are now completely unrecognisable and indeed complete no go areas. People have had enough after years and years of being told to tow the party line and to shut their mouths as their communities folded around them and I remain convinced that there will be a civil war at some point in the next decade and the powers that be cannot say they never saw it coming. It is not racist to point out that multiculturalism has failed spectacularly not just in Britain but in wider Europe as well, and refusing to acknowledge what is unfolding in front of our very eyes will be the coup de grace for our once proud nation. My world view is shaped on interactions I have in my own life, rather than reading someone’s pious tweet or doomscrolling political threads on reddit, and my view is of a nation that is completely unrecognisable from the one I grew up in as a kid and I’m only 31, so fucking Christ knows how my old man must feel being born in the 60’s. My old man’s side of the family grew up in Shelton, back when it was a prosperous area not the decayed ruin it is in the present day, him and my aunty always used to knock around in the parks and walk into Hanley on their own even as very young kids, a couple of years back my aunty (who was 66 at the time) did her usual trip into Hanley like she has done every week for 5 decades of her life, she was mugged and had the shit kicked out of her by no less than six Romanian muggers, they were identified as Romanian by a passer by who could speak the language and recognised what the vermin were saying, in broad daylight, so now she doesn’t even feel safe in the very town she grew up in as a native Englishwoman. Myself I grew up in Fenton, and attended two schools which had mixed classes, native English, Polish, Romanian, Pakistani and African, so I was exposed to different cultures, different ways of life and behaviours from a relatively formative age, my parents did their best to prepare me for this but I don’t think they could possibly have foreseen me and my best mate being chased for being on a street that apparently “belonged” to the Pakistani kids who were in year 11 at the time, we were fresh faced 11 year olds in year 7 who simply wanted to get home withoutany fuss, which shouldn’t have been an issue in Longton as a native but evidently it was, or they couldn’t possibly have foreseen another friend of mine being ragged off his bike in Fenton by Romanians when he was 13, he had a knife pulled on him and everything, we just weren’t exposed to this way of life as kids because that’s not how we live. Into adult life I’ve had nothing but abrupt rudeness from the majority of Eastern Europeans and Asians I’ve dealt with (With exception to the Polish who have always been salt of the earth whenever I’ve met, worked with or dealt with on any level), again I know now after educating myself that speaking to people like utter shit and like you own them is a cultural thing in these places, but again, not here. I’ve been out at night with my missus and when I’ve come back from the toilet found her being harangued by Pakistanis who clearly weren’t there for a Carling and a boogie, when I approached I was told to, and I quote this because I’ll never forget it “fuck off or we’ll slit your throat and rape your white whore missus”, again this is happening to a native Englishman in my own nation in a club I had been frequenting for years. I could go on and on and on with anecdotes I’ve had from the imports we’ve had into this country, have they all been negative? Absolutely not, as said I have the pleasure of knowing some fine Poles, one half of my missus’s side of the family is Polish and they’re unbelievable people, I’ve worked with individuals who came from real war torn desperate places like Eritrea, the Congo and the Central African Republic, fantastic people who would give you the shirt off their back and simply want to crack on with their lives in a prosperous country that gives them the opportunity to live a life they would never have got to have lived otherwise, but the majority of dealings I have had have been overwhelmingly negative. Like I said this is what I’ve seen and experienced with my own eyes, call me what you want I do not care, I care only for the wellbeing of my loved ones and friends, I absolutely dread when my missus goes shopping on her own in Hanley, Hanley of all places for fucks sake anyone would think she’d gone to Mogadishu not a simple town centre in a relatively small city in England. I fear for the future of this countries identity, I fear for the future of our societal norms, I fear for the future of our ability to speak freely without fear of violent retribution simply because our opinions are not agreed with, I fear for the future of our very infrastructure which cannot handle this level of usage, and most importantly of all, I fear for the state of the nation which my future children will grow up in. There’s been some cracking posts on this subject today and this is one of them. Although I’ve not been through quite the trauma you have in your, compared to me, young life, I absolutely concur with your versions of experience. The sanctimonious left on here will be around shortly to tell you that you’re a Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage bumming racist whilst reams of social media posts from like minded individuals flood this thread. You are right to express your opinion as someone who has experienced first hand the rapid decline of this country due in no small part to the influx of intolerant groups that have infiltrated this up until quite recently fantastic country.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 22, 2024 18:54:34 GMT
This is “Britain” now, and it will only get worse and worse as the years trundle on by. Our heroes of the past fought valiantly for this nation to avoid occupation only for the ones who are supposed to have our best interests at heart to let it happen a few decades later, it’s a complete disgrace. This country is a cesspit, there are areas of it that are now completely unrecognisable and indeed complete no go areas. People have had enough after years and years of being told to tow the party line and to shut their mouths as their communities folded around them and I remain convinced that there will be a civil war at some point in the next decade and the powers that be cannot say they never saw it coming. It is not racist to point out that multiculturalism has failed spectacularly not just in Britain but in wider Europe as well, and refusing to acknowledge what is unfolding in front of our very eyes will be the coup de grace for our once proud nation. My world view is shaped on interactions I have in my own life, rather than reading someone’s pious tweet or doomscrolling political threads on reddit, and my view is of a nation that is completely unrecognisable from the one I grew up in as a kid and I’m only 31, so fucking Christ knows how my old man must feel being born in the 60’s. My old man’s side of the family grew up in Shelton, back when it was a prosperous area not the decayed ruin it is in the present day, him and my aunty always used to knock around in the parks and walk into Hanley on their own even as very young kids, a couple of years back my aunty (who was 66 at the time) did her usual trip into Hanley like she has done every week for 5 decades of her life, she was mugged and had the shit kicked out of her by no less than six Romanian muggers, they were identified as Romanian by a passer by who could speak the language and recognised what the vermin were saying, in broad daylight, so now she doesn’t even feel safe in the very town she grew up in as a native Englishwoman. Myself I grew up in Fenton, and attended two schools which had mixed classes, native English, Polish, Romanian, Pakistani and African, so I was exposed to different cultures, different ways of life and behaviours from a relatively formative age, my parents did their best to prepare me for this but I don’t think they could possibly have foreseen me and my best mate being chased for being on a street that apparently “belonged” to the Pakistani kids who were in year 11 at the time, we were fresh faced 11 year olds in year 7 who simply wanted to get home withoutany fuss, which shouldn’t have been an issue in Longton as a native but evidently it was, or they couldn’t possibly have foreseen another friend of mine being ragged off his bike in Fenton by Romanians when he was 13, he had a knife pulled on him and everything, we just weren’t exposed to this way of life as kids because that’s not how we live. Into adult life I’ve had nothing but abrupt rudeness from the majority of Eastern Europeans and Asians I’ve dealt with (With exception to the Polish who have always been salt of the earth whenever I’ve met, worked with or dealt with on any level), again I know now after educating myself that speaking to people like utter shit and like you own them is a cultural thing in these places, but again, not here. I’ve been out at night with my missus and when I’ve come back from the toilet found her being harangued by Pakistanis who clearly weren’t there for a Carling and a boogie, when I approached I was told to, and I quote this because I’ll never forget it “fuck off or we’ll slit your throat and rape your white whore missus”, again this is happening to a native Englishman in my own nation in a club I had been frequenting for years. I could go on and on and on with anecdotes I’ve had from the imports we’ve had into this country, have they all been negative? Absolutely not, as said I have the pleasure of knowing some fine Poles, one half of my missus’s side of the family is Polish and they’re unbelievable people, I’ve worked with individuals who came from real war torn desperate places like Eritrea, the Congo and the Central African Republic, fantastic people who would give you the shirt off their back and simply want to crack on with their lives in a prosperous country that gives them the opportunity to live a life they would never have got to have lived otherwise, but the majority of dealings I have had have been overwhelmingly negative. Like I said this is what I’ve seen and experienced with my own eyes, call me what you want I do not care, I care only for the wellbeing of my loved ones and friends, I absolutely dread when my missus goes shopping on her own in Hanley, Hanley of all places for fucks sake anyone would think she’d gone to Mogadishu not a simple town centre in a relatively small city in England. I fear for the future of this countries identity, I fear for the future of our societal norms, I fear for the future of our ability to speak freely without fear of violent retribution simply because our opinions are not agreed with, I fear for the future of our very infrastructure which cannot handle this level of usage, and most importantly of all, I fear for the state of the nation which my future children will grow up in. Mr Keyboard and his chronies will not like this mate at all🤷♂️be prepared for all the vitriol that will undoubtedly come your way for voicing an opinion that is becoming the norm in this country.You are spot on by the way👍👏 I know we haven’t seen eye to eye previously on matters but your posts regarding topics like this are exactly how I feel, and like you say how a majority of the nation also echo.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 22, 2024 19:08:05 GMT
Given that the survey was carried out on behalf of BSA, it was done on a representative basis and will therefore have been overwhelmingly white (about 86% given the demographic at the time). So, while it is fair to say that other ethnicities will have been included in the survey and may well have described themselves as prejudiced, it's also entirely legitimate to conclude that because the representative sample of 2000 was 86% white, the majority of pejudice will have been towards, as I said, those not in the "white/"Christian"/straight" section of society. It surprises me that so many people on here seem so unwilling to accept this, especially when there are so many examples of both individual and institutional racism in this country over many years. I think it's probably just denial and a simple unwillingness to accept a fairly obvious truth, that a decent number of people don't like others who don't conform to their group ideals. If that is the conclusion, and since the UK, and England specifically, is one of the most diverse and welcoming countries in the world, what does that say about other countries and people? In fact, it's an absolute damning indictment on the rest of the world. You know what people are sick of the most in this country? They are absolutely sick of being told what utter shit people they are by those that scramble over each other in a race to proclaim themselves 'on message'. Who jump on any discussion of race, immigration, and those who mention it as the new Hitler. It's no wonder that some people attach themselves to profile figures who don't care what they are called. And therefore little sensible discussion can ever take place. Flick through TV channels in most countries and regions in the world and you will not see any other race than the indigenous. And neither will you see self-loathing discussions about how terrible they are, or inviting a white immigrant to tell them how terrible it is to live there, and questioning why there isn't more white representation. Most of the world doesn't give a fuck and would simply laugh at phrases like 'institutional racism'. Indigenous bias is to be expected in a country. That's why it's, well, ... a country in the first place. And when I am a guest in another country, that's exactly what I expect. Numbers in a community does have an effect. And you know what, different cultures, and ideologies, have an effect too. Which is why most of the world doesn't do what the UK does. So if you want to preach at people about their 'unwillingness to accept' how shit they are, then maybe the UK isn't your best target. Because no matter how bad you think the people of this country are, in general they are better than most of the rest of the world at the issues you are concerned with. Including the countries we welcome people from. Starkiller 2 RWB 0
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 22, 2024 19:09:41 GMT
If that is the conclusion, and since the UK, and England specifically, is one of the most diverse and welcoming countries in the world, what does that say about other countries and people? In fact, it's an absolute damning indictment on the rest of the world. You know what people are sick of the most in this country? They are absolutely sick of being told what utter shit people they are by those that scramble over each other in a race to proclaim themselves 'on message'. Who jump on any discussion of race, immigration, and those who mention it as the new Hitler. It's no wonder that some people attach themselves to profile figures who don't care what they are called. And therefore little sensible discussion can ever take place. Flick through TV channels in most countries and regions in the world and you will not see any other race than the indigenous. And neither will you see self-loathing discussions about how terrible they are, or inviting a white immigrant to tell them how terrible it is to live there, and questioning why there isn't more white representation. Most of the world doesn't give a fuck and would simply laugh at phrases like 'institutional racism'. Indigenous bias is to be expected in a country. That's why it's, well, ... a country in the first place. And when I am a guest in another country, that's exactly what I expect. Numbers in a community does have an effect. And you know what, different cultures, and ideologies, have an effect too. Which is why most of the world doesn't do what the UK does. So if you want to preach at people about their 'unwillingness to accept' how shit they are, then maybe the UK isn't your best target. Because no matter how bad you think the people of this country are, in general they are better than most of the rest of the world at the issues you are concerned with. Including the countries we welcome people from. Starkiller 2 RWB 0 Second leg to come after Bluers has eaten his pudding. Trouble is he hasn’t eaten his veg so it might be a while before he’s allowed back on here
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 22, 2024 19:12:15 GMT
This is “Britain” now, and it will only get worse and worse as the years trundle on by. Our heroes of the past fought valiantly for this nation to avoid occupation only for the ones who are supposed to have our best interests at heart to let it happen a few decades later, it’s a complete disgrace. This country is a cesspit, there are areas of it that are now completely unrecognisable and indeed complete no go areas. People have had enough after years and years of being told to tow the party line and to shut their mouths as their communities folded around them and I remain convinced that there will be a civil war at some point in the next decade and the powers that be cannot say they never saw it coming. It is not racist to point out that multiculturalism has failed spectacularly not just in Britain but in wider Europe as well, and refusing to acknowledge what is unfolding in front of our very eyes will be the coup de grace for our once proud nation. My world view is shaped on interactions I have in my own life, rather than reading someone’s pious tweet or doomscrolling political threads on reddit, and my view is of a nation that is completely unrecognisable from the one I grew up in as a kid and I’m only 31, so fucking Christ knows how my old man must feel being born in the 60’s. My old man’s side of the family grew up in Shelton, back when it was a prosperous area not the decayed ruin it is in the present day, him and my aunty always used to knock around in the parks and walk into Hanley on their own even as very young kids, a couple of years back my aunty (who was 66 at the time) did her usual trip into Hanley like she has done every week for 5 decades of her life, she was mugged and had the shit kicked out of her by no less than six Romanian muggers, they were identified as Romanian by a passer by who could speak the language and recognised what the vermin were saying, in broad daylight, so now she doesn’t even feel safe in the very town she grew up in as a native Englishwoman. Myself I grew up in Fenton, and attended two schools which had mixed classes, native English, Polish, Romanian, Pakistani and African, so I was exposed to different cultures, different ways of life and behaviours from a relatively formative age, my parents did their best to prepare me for this but I don’t think they could possibly have foreseen me and my best mate being chased for being on a street that apparently “belonged” to the Pakistani kids who were in year 11 at the time, we were fresh faced 11 year olds in year 7 who simply wanted to get home withoutany fuss, which shouldn’t have been an issue in Longton as a native but evidently it was, or they couldn’t possibly have foreseen another friend of mine being ragged off his bike in Fenton by Romanians when he was 13, he had a knife pulled on him and everything, we just weren’t exposed to this way of life as kids because that’s not how we live. Into adult life I’ve had nothing but abrupt rudeness from the majority of Eastern Europeans and Asians I’ve dealt with (With exception to the Polish who have always been salt of the earth whenever I’ve met, worked with or dealt with on any level), again I know now after educating myself that speaking to people like utter shit and like you own them is a cultural thing in these places, but again, not here. I’ve been out at night with my missus and when I’ve come back from the toilet found her being harangued by Pakistanis who clearly weren’t there for a Carling and a boogie, when I approached I was told to, and I quote this because I’ll never forget it “fuck off or we’ll slit your throat and rape your white whore missus”, again this is happening to a native Englishman in my own nation in a club I had been frequenting for years. I could go on and on and on with anecdotes I’ve had from the imports we’ve had into this country, have they all been negative? Absolutely not, as said I have the pleasure of knowing some fine Poles, one half of my missus’s side of the family is Polish and they’re unbelievable people, I’ve worked with individuals who came from real war torn desperate places like Eritrea, the Congo and the Central African Republic, fantastic people who would give you the shirt off their back and simply want to crack on with their lives in a prosperous country that gives them the opportunity to live a life they would never have got to have lived otherwise, but the majority of dealings I have had have been overwhelmingly negative. Like I said this is what I’ve seen and experienced with my own eyes, call me what you want I do not care, I care only for the wellbeing of my loved ones and friends, I absolutely dread when my missus goes shopping on her own in Hanley, Hanley of all places for fucks sake anyone would think she’d gone to Mogadishu not a simple town centre in a relatively small city in England. I fear for the future of this countries identity, I fear for the future of our societal norms, I fear for the future of our ability to speak freely without fear of violent retribution simply because our opinions are not agreed with, I fear for the future of our very infrastructure which cannot handle this level of usage, and most importantly of all, I fear for the state of the nation which my future children will grow up in. Superb post and a view gained by personal experience which is the best type.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 22, 2024 19:13:45 GMT
This is “Britain” now, and it will only get worse and worse as the years trundle on by. Our heroes of the past fought valiantly for this nation to avoid occupation only for the ones who are supposed to have our best interests at heart to let it happen a few decades later, it’s a complete disgrace. This country is a cesspit, there are areas of it that are now completely unrecognisable and indeed complete no go areas. People have had enough after years and years of being told to tow the party line and to shut their mouths as their communities folded around them and I remain convinced that there will be a civil war at some point in the next decade and the powers that be cannot say they never saw it coming. It is not racist to point out that multiculturalism has failed spectacularly not just in Britain but in wider Europe as well, and refusing to acknowledge what is unfolding in front of our very eyes will be the coup de grace for our once proud nation. My world view is shaped on interactions I have in my own life, rather than reading someone’s pious tweet or doomscrolling political threads on reddit, and my view is of a nation that is completely unrecognisable from the one I grew up in as a kid and I’m only 31, so fucking Christ knows how my old man must feel being born in the 60’s. My old man’s side of the family grew up in Shelton, back when it was a prosperous area not the decayed ruin it is in the present day, him and my aunty always used to knock around in the parks and walk into Hanley on their own even as very young kids, a couple of years back my aunty (who was 66 at the time) did her usual trip into Hanley like she has done every week for 5 decades of her life, she was mugged and had the shit kicked out of her by no less than six Romanian muggers, they were identified as Romanian by a passer by who could speak the language and recognised what the vermin were saying, in broad daylight, so now she doesn’t even feel safe in the very town she grew up in as a native Englishwoman. Myself I grew up in Fenton, and attended two schools which had mixed classes, native English, Polish, Romanian, Pakistani and African, so I was exposed to different cultures, different ways of life and behaviours from a relatively formative age, my parents did their best to prepare me for this but I don’t think they could possibly have foreseen me and my best mate being chased for being on a street that apparently “belonged” to the Pakistani kids who were in year 11 at the time, we were fresh faced 11 year olds in year 7 who simply wanted to get home withoutany fuss, which shouldn’t have been an issue in Longton as a native but evidently it was, or they couldn’t possibly have foreseen another friend of mine being ragged off his bike in Fenton by Romanians when he was 13, he had a knife pulled on him and everything, we just weren’t exposed to this way of life as kids because that’s not how we live. Into adult life I’ve had nothing but abrupt rudeness from the majority of Eastern Europeans and Asians I’ve dealt with (With exception to the Polish who have always been salt of the earth whenever I’ve met, worked with or dealt with on any level), again I know now after educating myself that speaking to people like utter shit and like you own them is a cultural thing in these places, but again, not here. I’ve been out at night with my missus and when I’ve come back from the toilet found her being harangued by Pakistanis who clearly weren’t there for a Carling and a boogie, when I approached I was told to, and I quote this because I’ll never forget it “fuck off or we’ll slit your throat and rape your white whore missus”, again this is happening to a native Englishman in my own nation in a club I had been frequenting for years. I could go on and on and on with anecdotes I’ve had from the imports we’ve had into this country, have they all been negative? Absolutely not, as said I have the pleasure of knowing some fine Poles, one half of my missus’s side of the family is Polish and they’re unbelievable people, I’ve worked with individuals who came from real war torn desperate places like Eritrea, the Congo and the Central African Republic, fantastic people who would give you the shirt off their back and simply want to crack on with their lives in a prosperous country that gives them the opportunity to live a life they would never have got to have lived otherwise, but the majority of dealings I have had have been overwhelmingly negative. Like I said this is what I’ve seen and experienced with my own eyes, call me what you want I do not care, I care only for the wellbeing of my loved ones and friends, I absolutely dread when my missus goes shopping on her own in Hanley, Hanley of all places for fucks sake anyone would think she’d gone to Mogadishu not a simple town centre in a relatively small city in England. I fear for the future of this countries identity, I fear for the future of our societal norms, I fear for the future of our ability to speak freely without fear of violent retribution simply because our opinions are not agreed with, I fear for the future of our very infrastructure which cannot handle this level of usage, and most importantly of all, I fear for the state of the nation which my future children will grow up in. Spoken from the heart Bojan. The vast majority of latter year immigrants and second, third , fourth generation immigrants etc DO simply want a peaceful life, BUT what the apologists are unable to acknowledge it is the more extremists ( and they are not actually that extreme) who are going to set the agenda for community relations ( especially as there is growth in numbers and confidence )and WILL indeed elicit an equally aggressive and antagonist response from those who feel that they have not been listened to, have not been acknowledged and have had enough.....they are the ones who will then be called racists and will have to " take the blame ". More peaceful members of the " multi" cultures will then be drawn in. There won't be a civil war.... but there will be more and more cultural clash ....what type of ' actions' this entails who knows, some people have already resorted to violence and killings. I hope your wife and family ( and those of innocent ethnic minorities ) can find a way to be and feel safe. We have been badly let down by the political class. In my opinion.
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Post by stokeson on Jul 22, 2024 19:14:46 GMT
There are no words for how bad this post has now become. If many of you think this way fair play atleast you dont hide your rascism but many many people in this great nation fought a war to stop this filth and i for one would do it again
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 22, 2024 19:14:54 GMT
This is “Britain” now, and it will only get worse and worse as the years trundle on by. Our heroes of the past fought valiantly for this nation to avoid occupation only for the ones who are supposed to have our best interests at heart to let it happen a few decades later, it’s a complete disgrace. This country is a cesspit, there are areas of it that are now completely unrecognisable and indeed complete no go areas. People have had enough after years and years of being told to tow the party line and to shut their mouths as their communities folded around them and I remain convinced that there will be a civil war at some point in the next decade and the powers that be cannot say they never saw it coming. It is not racist to point out that multiculturalism has failed spectacularly not just in Britain but in wider Europe as well, and refusing to acknowledge what is unfolding in front of our very eyes will be the coup de grace for our once proud nation. My world view is shaped on interactions I have in my own life, rather than reading someone’s pious tweet or doomscrolling political threads on reddit, and my view is of a nation that is completely unrecognisable from the one I grew up in as a kid and I’m only 31, so fucking Christ knows how my old man must feel being born in the 60’s. My old man’s side of the family grew up in Shelton, back when it was a prosperous area not the decayed ruin it is in the present day, him and my aunty always used to knock around in the parks and walk into Hanley on their own even as very young kids, a couple of years back my aunty (who was 66 at the time) did her usual trip into Hanley like she has done every week for 5 decades of her life, she was mugged and had the shit kicked out of her by no less than six Romanian muggers, they were identified as Romanian by a passer by who could speak the language and recognised what the vermin were saying, in broad daylight, so now she doesn’t even feel safe in the very town she grew up in as a native Englishwoman. Myself I grew up in Fenton, and attended two schools which had mixed classes, native English, Polish, Romanian, Pakistani and African, so I was exposed to different cultures, different ways of life and behaviours from a relatively formative age, my parents did their best to prepare me for this but I don’t think they could possibly have foreseen me and my best mate being chased for being on a street that apparently “belonged” to the Pakistani kids who were in year 11 at the time, we were fresh faced 11 year olds in year 7 who simply wanted to get home withoutany fuss, which shouldn’t have been an issue in Longton as a native but evidently it was, or they couldn’t possibly have foreseen another friend of mine being ragged off his bike in Fenton by Romanians when he was 13, he had a knife pulled on him and everything, we just weren’t exposed to this way of life as kids because that’s not how we live. Into adult life I’ve had nothing but abrupt rudeness from the majority of Eastern Europeans and Asians I’ve dealt with (With exception to the Polish who have always been salt of the earth whenever I’ve met, worked with or dealt with on any level), again I know now after educating myself that speaking to people like utter shit and like you own them is a cultural thing in these places, but again, not here. I’ve been out at night with my missus and when I’ve come back from the toilet found her being harangued by Pakistanis who clearly weren’t there for a Carling and a boogie, when I approached I was told to, and I quote this because I’ll never forget it “fuck off or we’ll slit your throat and rape your white whore missus”, again this is happening to a native Englishman in my own nation in a club I had been frequenting for years. I could go on and on and on with anecdotes I’ve had from the imports we’ve had into this country, have they all been negative? Absolutely not, as said I have the pleasure of knowing some fine Poles, one half of my missus’s side of the family is Polish and they’re unbelievable people, I’ve worked with individuals who came from real war torn desperate places like Eritrea, the Congo and the Central African Republic, fantastic people who would give you the shirt off their back and simply want to crack on with their lives in a prosperous country that gives them the opportunity to live a life they would never have got to have lived otherwise, but the majority of dealings I have had have been overwhelmingly negative. Like I said this is what I’ve seen and experienced with my own eyes, call me what you want I do not care, I care only for the wellbeing of my loved ones and friends, I absolutely dread when my missus goes shopping on her own in Hanley, Hanley of all places for fucks sake anyone would think she’d gone to Mogadishu not a simple town centre in a relatively small city in England. I fear for the future of this countries identity, I fear for the future of our societal norms, I fear for the future of our ability to speak freely without fear of violent retribution simply because our opinions are not agreed with, I fear for the future of our very infrastructure which cannot handle this level of usage, and most importantly of all, I fear for the state of the nation which my future children will grow up in. Superb post and a view gained by personal experience which is the best type. Wrong Cobs, you should know by now that the best way of understanding social issues is by using pointless graphs and polls taken from about 50 people and presented on Twitter as bullet proof facts
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 22, 2024 19:16:47 GMT
There are no words for how bad this post has now become. If many of you think this way fair play atleast you dont hide your rascism but many many people in this great nation fought a war to stop this filth and i for one would do it again An extremely intolerant response if I may say so and calling people racist as well. Nice one
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Post by chamberlain on Jul 22, 2024 19:17:17 GMT
This is “Britain” now, and it will only get worse and worse as the years trundle on by. Our heroes of the past fought valiantly for this nation to avoid occupation only for the ones who are supposed to have our best interests at heart to let it happen a few decades later, it’s a complete disgrace. This country is a cesspit, there are areas of it that are now completely unrecognisable and indeed complete no go areas. People have had enough after years and years of being told to tow the party line and to shut their mouths as their communities folded around them and I remain convinced that there will be a civil war at some point in the next decade and the powers that be cannot say they never saw it coming. It is not racist to point out that multiculturalism has failed spectacularly not just in Britain but in wider Europe as well, and refusing to acknowledge what is unfolding in front of our very eyes will be the coup de grace for our once proud nation. My world view is shaped on interactions I have in my own life, rather than reading someone’s pious tweet or doomscrolling political threads on reddit, and my view is of a nation that is completely unrecognisable from the one I grew up in as a kid and I’m only 31, so fucking Christ knows how my old man must feel being born in the 60’s. My old man’s side of the family grew up in Shelton, back when it was a prosperous area not the decayed ruin it is in the present day, him and my aunty always used to knock around in the parks and walk into Hanley on their own even as very young kids, a couple of years back my aunty (who was 66 at the time) did her usual trip into Hanley like she has done every week for 5 decades of her life, she was mugged and had the shit kicked out of her by no less than six Romanian muggers, they were identified as Romanian by a passer by who could speak the language and recognised what the vermin were saying, in broad daylight, so now she doesn’t even feel safe in the very town she grew up in as a native Englishwoman. Myself I grew up in Fenton, and attended two schools which had mixed classes, native English, Polish, Romanian, Pakistani and African, so I was exposed to different cultures, different ways of life and behaviours from a relatively formative age, my parents did their best to prepare me for this but I don’t think they could possibly have foreseen me and my best mate being chased for being on a street that apparently “belonged” to the Pakistani kids who were in year 11 at the time, we were fresh faced 11 year olds in year 7 who simply wanted to get home withoutany fuss, which shouldn’t have been an issue in Longton as a native but evidently it was, or they couldn’t possibly have foreseen another friend of mine being ragged off his bike in Fenton by Romanians when he was 13, he had a knife pulled on him and everything, we just weren’t exposed to this way of life as kids because that’s not how we live. Into adult life I’ve had nothing but abrupt rudeness from the majority of Eastern Europeans and Asians I’ve dealt with (With exception to the Polish who have always been salt of the earth whenever I’ve met, worked with or dealt with on any level), again I know now after educating myself that speaking to people like utter shit and like you own them is a cultural thing in these places, but again, not here. I’ve been out at night with my missus and when I’ve come back from the toilet found her being harangued by Pakistanis who clearly weren’t there for a Carling and a boogie, when I approached I was told to, and I quote this because I’ll never forget it “fuck off or we’ll slit your throat and rape your white whore missus”, again this is happening to a native Englishman in my own nation in a club I had been frequenting for years. I could go on and on and on with anecdotes I’ve had from the imports we’ve had into this country, have they all been negative? Absolutely not, as said I have the pleasure of knowing some fine Poles, one half of my missus’s side of the family is Polish and they’re unbelievable people, I’ve worked with individuals who came from real war torn desperate places like Eritrea, the Congo and the Central African Republic, fantastic people who would give you the shirt off their back and simply want to crack on with their lives in a prosperous country that gives them the opportunity to live a life they would never have got to have lived otherwise, but the majority of dealings I have had have been overwhelmingly negative. Like I said this is what I’ve seen and experienced with my own eyes, call me what you want I do not care, I care only for the wellbeing of my loved ones and friends, I absolutely dread when my missus goes shopping on her own in Hanley, Hanley of all places for fucks sake anyone would think she’d gone to Mogadishu not a simple town centre in a relatively small city in England. I fear for the future of this countries identity, I fear for the future of our societal norms, I fear for the future of our ability to speak freely without fear of violent retribution simply because our opinions are not agreed with, I fear for the future of our very infrastructure which cannot handle this level of usage, and most importantly of all, I fear for the state of the nation which my future children will grow up in. And heres me thinking we are living in a multi racial utopia
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