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Post by str8outtahampton on Jul 22, 2024 12:25:32 GMT
Not if they’re English no You get thrown in prison for just admitting to being English. These days. Where I live, which by any measure is "middle England", people who fly the St George cross have had their property razed to the ground by angry mobs of leftwaffe wokies. These mobs are less likely to carry pitchforks and flaming torches, à la Simpsons. Much more menacing - they arrive brandishing copies of the Guardian and of Joanna Trollope Aga Sagas, while munching mung-beans and quaffing Champagne.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 22, 2024 12:29:10 GMT
Not whilst it’s represented by a blue and yellow stared flag Come on, the subcontinent Anyway back to the topic What was your opinion on the young lad who was filmed throwing various items at the burning bus And expressing unpleasant remarks of the local police I’m sure you must of been to busy or maybe just forgot to give your opinion
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Post by gawa on Jul 22, 2024 12:30:04 GMT
A survey of 2000 people over 10 years ago doesn't really prove anything. Especially when some of those included in the stat said they were a "little prejeduce". However how someone, or the media, present the statistics can certainly influence how people interpert it. From the co-director of your survey: So in 2014, 3% of 2000 surveyed said they were very prejudiced. Source - www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/27/racism-in-uk-can-we-measure-racial-prejudicePsychologically there have also been studies done which show many people are unintentionally prejeducided against other races. I imagine many of those who say they are a little prejeducided are probably taking implicit bias into account. That doesn't make them racist. Explicit Bias on the other hand was over 50% in the 80s and down to 15% in the early 2010s. Source - www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-40124781The bigger question should be. Why did the bbc, and other news outlets, at the time of that survey being released use a survey where 3% people said they were very prejudiced against other races and try to make that into a "racism is on the rise" headline. Division.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 22, 2024 12:41:21 GMT
You get thrown in prison for just admitting to being English. These days. Where I live, which by any measure is "middle England", people who fly the St George cross have had their property razed to the ground by angry mobs of leftwaffe wokies. These mobs are less likely to carry pitchforks and flaming torches, à la Simpsons. Much more menacing - they arrive brandishing copies of the Guardian and of Joanna Trollope Aga Sagas, while munching mung-beans and quaffing Champagne. Outstanding....
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 22, 2024 12:55:31 GMT
Are the respondents to that survey all white British? Who knows what they are! But in response to the question about a significant rump of the UK population being a bit racist, it would suggest I was right to say so. Actually, for what it's worth, I would have said about 15 to 20% myself and I'm a bit surprised it's that high, although I also think it's probably risen rather than declined since that survey was carried out what with Brexit having somewhat 'legitimised' a certain xenophobic response to foreigners.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 22, 2024 12:58:34 GMT
A survey of 2000 people over 10 years ago doesn't really prove anything. Especially when some of those included in the stat said they were a "little prejeduce". However how someone, or the media, present the statistics can certainly influence how people interpert it. From the co-director of your survey: So in 2014, 3% of 2000 surveyed said they were very prejudiced. Source - www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/27/racism-in-uk-can-we-measure-racial-prejudicePsychologically there have also been studies done which show many people are unintentionally prejeducided against other races. I imagine many of those who say they are a little prejeducided are probably taking implicit bias into account. That doesn't make them racist. Explicit Bias on the other hand was over 50% in the 80s and down to 15% in the early 2010s. Source - www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-40124781The bigger question should be. Why did the bbc, and other news outlets, at the time of that survey being released use a survey where 3% people said they were very prejudiced against other races and try to make that into a "racism is on the rise" headline. Division. Given that I said "There is a sizeable rump of people in the UK who just don't like foreign-looking people and/or those who don't fit the general "white/'Christian'/straight" profile". and was then challenged about such an assertion, I'd say that link pretty much does back up precisely what I said. "Some prejudice" = 'very prejudiced' and 'a little prejudiced'. It seems to fit quite accurately. And that accounts for roughly 30% of respondents. I mean, that figure shouldn't really shock anyone overly, given the responses online, on here and in person.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jul 22, 2024 12:59:12 GMT
Wonder if the Kaiser Chiefs are there I don't agree with you on this one, but that is genuinely funny!
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Post by sticky on Jul 22, 2024 13:03:53 GMT
Can you buy this “right wing play book” off Amazon? Need something to read on the plane👍🏻 and do they do a “left wing play book” that’s the return leg sorted then 👍🏻👍🏻
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 22, 2024 13:03:54 GMT
Wonder if the Kaiser Chiefs are there I don't agree with you on this one, but that is genuinely funny! I’m not all bad😏
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 22, 2024 13:04:06 GMT
Come on, the subcontinent Anyway back to the topic What was your opinion on the young lad who was filmed throwing various items at the burning bus And expressing unpleasant remarks of the local police I’m sure you must of been to busy or maybe just forgot to give your opinion I said he was good in Anchorman.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 22, 2024 13:05:01 GMT
Can you buy this “right wing play book” off Amazon? Need something to read on the plane👍🏻 and do they do a “left wing play book” that’s the return leg sorted then 👍🏻👍🏻 I’ve read them both but you know what they say about sequels
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 22, 2024 13:05:29 GMT
UrbanScoop is just an account designed to regurgitate stuff put out by the likes of Tommy Robinson, Paul Golding and other far right activists pedaling an Islamophobic/racist agenda with the deliberate intent of inciting hatred towards Muslims and recruiting members to the cause. You have become a willing participant in a network of social media "influencers" pedaling a far right racist agenda on this message board. This fanzine should not be an echo chamber for wankers inciting racial hatred and Stoke City Football Club should not be associated with this shit. You're a disgrace to this club. I don’t give a flying fuck what you think to be honest and as for being an influencer😂😂you really are clueless. What is said on that video is bang on the money and folk like you need to wake up before it’s too late Crouchy if other folk need to wake up, am I right in thinking that makes you woke? Surely not?!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 22, 2024 13:07:47 GMT
I don’t give a flying fuck what you think to be honest and as for being an influencer😂😂you really are clueless. What is said on that video is bang on the money and folk like you need to wake up before it’s too late Crouchy if other folk need to wake up, am I right in thinking that makes you woke? Surely not?! He's awake to the coming civil war.... Potato-heads vs deep fat fryers
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 22, 2024 13:10:44 GMT
Anyway back to the topic What was your opinion on the young lad who was filmed throwing various items at the burning bus And expressing unpleasant remarks of the local police I’m sure you must of been to busy or maybe just forgot to give your opinion I said he was good in Anchorman. Wouldn’t expect anything different A empty barrel makes the most noise
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Post by gawa on Jul 22, 2024 13:15:48 GMT
A survey of 2000 people over 10 years ago doesn't really prove anything. Especially when some of those included in the stat said they were a "little prejeduce". However how someone, or the media, present the statistics can certainly influence how people interpert it. From the co-director of your survey: So in 2014, 3% of 2000 surveyed said they were very prejudiced. Source - www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/27/racism-in-uk-can-we-measure-racial-prejudicePsychologically there have also been studies done which show many people are unintentionally prejeducided against other races. I imagine many of those who say they are a little prejeducided are probably taking implicit bias into account. That doesn't make them racist. Explicit Bias on the other hand was over 50% in the 80s and down to 15% in the early 2010s. Source - www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-40124781The bigger question should be. Why did the bbc, and other news outlets, at the time of that survey being released use a survey where 3% people said they were very prejudiced against other races and try to make that into a "racism is on the rise" headline. Division. Given that I said "There is a sizeable rump of people in the UK who just don't like foreign-looking people and/or those who don't fit the general "white/'Christian'/straight" profile". and was then challenged about such an assertion, I'd say that link pretty much does back up precisely what I said. "Some prejudice" = 'very prejudiced' and 'a little prejudiced'. It seems to fit quite accurately. And that accounts for roughly 30% of respondents. I mean, that figure shouldn't really shock anyone overly, given the responses online, on here and in person. What is a sizeable rump? Your source you provided from 2014 doesn't prove anything. It does prove how good the media is at distorting statistics to create a narrative. Anyway continue as you were. Its entertaining watching supporters of a man who has purged record numbers of Jews, overseen rife islamaphobia, openly racist treatment to abbott, tried to take legal action to prevent a black man publishing an independant report on a hierarchy of racism and then said bengalis will be getting flown back home.... Call others racists 😁 Racism is OK as long as they do it politely and it's from my team. But if we sniff anything which can be considered racism from another team then we will be there on our liberal moral highground. Only liberals can be racist or support racism.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 22, 2024 13:20:42 GMT
UrbanScoop is just an account designed to regurgitate stuff put out by the likes of Tommy Robinson, Paul Golding and other far right activists pedaling an Islamophobic/racist agenda with the deliberate intent of inciting hatred towards Muslims and recruiting members to the cause. You have become a willing participant in a network of social media "influencers" pedaling a far right racist agenda on this message board. This fanzine should not be an echo chamber for wankers inciting racial hatred and Stoke City Football Club should not be associated with this shit. You're a disgrace to this club. I don’t give a flying fuck what you think to be honest and as for being an influencer😂😂you really are clueless. What is said on that video is bang on the money and folk like you need to wake up before it’s too late The significant point on CBs post highlighted is that UrbanScoop and another SquareFT are mouthpieces of Tommy Robinson with its sole nominated Director being his ex-wife Jenna They were set up just prior to TRs Bankruptcy of Convenience immediately before he lost his libel case to avoid paying the libel damages that were awarded against him in favour of a Syrian Teenager As a Bankrupt TR is legally disbarred from being a Director of a Company but he has admitted he is an "Employee" of UrbanScoop. Be in no doubt that TR is silently running both operations and if people wish to contribute to either the funds are directed to a Bank Account DonateTR .... it's not that difficult to join the Dots If people want to donate to a Media Platform that hosts TRs "Journalism" that it up to them but let's not pretend it is anything other than a propaganda Media Platform for TR and a means for him to receive £10s of thousands of Donations each month.
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Post by emretezzy on Jul 22, 2024 13:25:15 GMT
Educate Yourself... Condescending waffle again.
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Post by emretezzy on Jul 22, 2024 13:26:51 GMT
A survey of 2000 people over 10 years ago doesn't really prove anything. Especially when some of those included in the stat said they were a "little prejeduce". However how someone, or the media, present the statistics can certainly influence how people interpert it. From the co-director of your survey: So in 2014, 3% of 2000 surveyed said they were very prejudiced. Source - www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/27/racism-in-uk-can-we-measure-racial-prejudicePsychologically there have also been studies done which show many people are unintentionally prejeducided against other races. I imagine many of those who say they are a little prejeducided are probably taking implicit bias into account. That doesn't make them racist. Explicit Bias on the other hand was over 50% in the 80s and down to 15% in the early 2010s. Source - www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-40124781The bigger question should be. Why did the bbc, and other news outlets, at the time of that survey being released use a survey where 3% people said they were very prejudiced against other races and try to make that into a "racism is on the rise" headline. Division. Given that I said "There is a sizeable rump of people in the UK who just don't like foreign-looking people and/or those who don't fit the general "white/'Christian'/straight" profile". and was then challenged about such an assertion, I'd say that link pretty much does back up precisely what I said. "Some prejudice" = 'very prejudiced' and 'a little prejudiced'. It seems to fit quite accurately. And that accounts for roughly 30% of respondents. I mean, that figure shouldn't really shock anyone overly, given the responses online, on here and in person. That genuinely might be the worst thing anyone has shared to prove an argument. 2000 people 10 years ago. Absolutely do one. Infact Educate Yourself 😂
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Post by Eggybread on Jul 22, 2024 13:40:21 GMT
In my opinion this means absolutely nothing.Many many racists I have the mispleasure of spesking too including old friends deny that they are racist even though the general population would consider them so.This is another problem,what people deem as racist.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 22, 2024 13:54:50 GMT
Given that I said "There is a sizeable rump of people in the UK who just don't like foreign-looking people and/or those who don't fit the general "white/'Christian'/straight" profile". and was then challenged about such an assertion, I'd say that link pretty much does back up precisely what I said. "Some prejudice" = 'very prejudiced' and 'a little prejudiced'. It seems to fit quite accurately. And that accounts for roughly 30% of respondents. I mean, that figure shouldn't really shock anyone overly, given the responses online, on here and in person. That genuinely might be the worst thing anyone has shared to prove an argument. 2000 people 10 years ago. Absolutely do one. Infact Educate Yourself 😂 If you're looking for a more up to date Poll YouGov does a bi-annual poll from its database of millions on various subjects The latest result (January 2024) to the question "The extent British people feel ethnic minorities are discriminated against for Jobs" The result is 38% agree, a similar number disagree, 15% believe there is positive discrimination towards Ethnic Minorities while 10% Don't Know These results have been fairly consistent since the Polls began in August 2019 I would suggest that equal Job Opportunities was a fundamental of Equal Rights although a high proportion of British people don't believe Ethnic Minorities have that Basic Right It's a difficult one to spin against although I expect some may try yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/the-extent-brits-feel-ethnic-minorities-are-discriminated-against-for-jobs
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 22, 2024 14:00:21 GMT
Given that I said "There is a sizeable rump of people in the UK who just don't like foreign-looking people and/or those who don't fit the general "white/'Christian'/straight" profile". and was then challenged about such an assertion, I'd say that link pretty much does back up precisely what I said. "Some prejudice" = 'very prejudiced' and 'a little prejudiced'. It seems to fit quite accurately. And that accounts for roughly 30% of respondents. I mean, that figure shouldn't really shock anyone overly, given the responses online, on here and in person. What is a sizeable rump? Your source you provided from 2014 doesn't prove anything. It does prove how good the media is at distorting statistics to create a narrative. Anyway continue as you were. Its entertaining watching supporters of a man who has purged record numbers of Jews, overseen rife islamaphobia, openly racist treatment to abbott, tried to take legal action to prevent a black man publishing an independant report on a hierarchy of racism and then said bengalis will be getting flown back home.... Call others racists 😁 Racism is OK as long as they do it politely and it's from my team. But if we sniff anything which can be considered racism from another team then we will be there on our liberal moral highground. Only liberals can be racist or support racism. I think anyone disputing the reality of racism amongst a sizeable proportion of UK residents is simply refusing to acknowledge that reality. I know it's an uncomfortable acknowledgement but not wanting it to be true doesn't make it not so. Nor does claiming the supporting stats etc are distorted, although that is often the approach on here when any supporting info is provided! At least you didn't say "well, I'm not racist and my personal experience hasn't been to encounter any, therefore the country isn't"
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Post by chamberlain on Jul 22, 2024 14:02:55 GMT
That genuinely might be the worst thing anyone has shared to prove an argument. 2000 people 10 years ago. Absolutely do one. Infact Educate Yourself 😂 If you're looking for a more up to date Poll YouGov does a bi-annual poll from its database of millions on various subjects The latest result (January 2024) to the question "The extent British people feel ethnic minorities are discriminated against for Jobs" The result is 38% agree, a similar number disagree, 15% believe there is positive discrimination towards Ethnic Minorities while 10% Don't Know These results have been fairly consistent since the Polls began in August 2019 I would suggest that equal Job Opportunities was a fundamental of Equal Rights although a high proportion of British people don't believe Ethnic Minorities have that Basic Right It's a difficult one to spin against although I expect some may try yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/the-extent-brits-feel-ethnic-minorities-are-discriminated-against-for-jobsAnother load of claptrap
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Post by wannabee on Jul 22, 2024 14:27:41 GMT
If you're looking for a more up to date Poll YouGov does a bi-annual poll from its database of millions on various subjects The latest result (January 2024) to the question "The extent British people feel ethnic minorities are discriminated against for Jobs" The result is 38% agree, a similar number disagree, 15% believe there is positive discrimination towards Ethnic Minorities while 10% Don't Know These results have been fairly consistent since the Polls began in August 2019 I would suggest that equal Job Opportunities was a fundamental of Equal Rights although a high proportion of British people don't believe Ethnic Minorities have that Basic Right It's a difficult one to spin against although I expect some may try yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/the-extent-brits-feel-ethnic-minorities-are-discriminated-against-for-jobsAnother load of claptrap Well argued What exactly claptrap about the way British people think?
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jul 22, 2024 14:54:33 GMT
Given that I said "There is a sizeable rump of people in the UK who just don't like foreign-looking people and/or those who don't fit the general "white/'Christian'/straight" profile". and was then challenged about such an assertion, I'd say that link pretty much does back up precisely what I said. "Some prejudice" = 'very prejudiced' and 'a little prejudiced'. It seems to fit quite accurately. And that accounts for roughly 30% of respondents. I mean, that figure shouldn't really shock anyone overly, given the responses online, on here and in person. What is a sizeable rump? Your source you provided from 2014 doesn't prove anything. It does prove how good the media is at distorting statistics to create a narrative. Anyway continue as you were. Its entertaining watching supporters of a man who has purged record numbers of Jews, overseen rife islamaphobia, openly racist treatment to abbott, tried to take legal action to prevent a black man publishing an independant report on a hierarchy of racism and then said bengalis will be getting flown back home.... Call others racists 😁 Racism is OK as long as they do it politely and it's from my team. But if we sniff anything which can be considered racism from another team then we will be there on our liberal moral highground. Only liberals can be racist or support racism. I fell down the far left rabbit hole on twitter in 2017 but managed to scramble back out. Keir Starmer is very clearly not a racist human being.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 22, 2024 14:55:26 GMT
The police didn't mishandle the grooming gangs , they deliberately ignored the victims in the interest of community relations. Don't you recognise the MO of how these far left groups pick on this sort of incident to further their agenda? 1 Find bad event (riot in Leeds), that the general population are suffering because of. 2 Spam edited clips of local non white people that portrays them in a positive light, and disregard any that don't. 3 Disregard any negative action from the event unless you can identify a white person doing it, preferably a middle aged male. That's the sweet spot. If you find one then use that as an example to claim that everyone else is innocent. 4 Ignore and disregard anything from the real world. If it doesn't impact you personally then it doesn't exist. 5 If anyone provides facts about the event then deflect the topic of discussion by insinuating that they are racist. 6 if they continue to tell the truth then ridicule them further by insinuating they're racist and making fun of them publicly. 7 keep calling them racist until the topic of discussion is fully deflected. If needed, bring in clips of Nigel Farage or Tommy Robinson to detract further from the actual topic at hand. Rinse and repeat. You left the bit off about producing some stats from a left wing publication and identifying them as facts because they suit their agenda.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 22, 2024 14:59:14 GMT
I don’t give a flying fuck what you think to be honest and as for being an influencer😂😂you really are clueless. What is said on that video is bang on the money and folk like you need to wake up before it’s too late The significant point on CBs post highlighted is that UrbanScoop and another SquareFT are mouthpieces of Tommy Robinson with its sole nominated Director being his ex-wife Jenna They were set up just prior to TRs Bankruptcy of Convenience immediately before he lost his libel case to avoid paying the libel damages that were awarded against him in favour of a Syrian Teenager As a Bankrupt TR is legally disbarred from being a Director of a Company but he has admitted he is an "Employee" of UrbanScoop. Be in no doubt that TR is silently running both operations and if people wish to contribute to either the funds are directed to a Bank Account DonateTR .... it's not that difficult to join the Dots If people want to donate to a Media Platform that hosts TRs "Journalism" that it up to them but let's not pretend it is anything other than a propaganda Media Platform for TR and a means for him to receive £10s of thousands of Donations each month. Didn't know that about the ownership but not surprised given the content. The far right have got very social media savvy and churn out material intended for dissemination through other platforms - football has a long association with far right activism and its no surprise they are getting their propaganda published on here. They are also very adapt at jumping on incidents like the Leeds riot and link it to their agenda - the very first references on here were to the false claims that a Muslim councillor was actively involved in provoking the rioters when the exact opposite was true. Anyone who doesn't get that this thread is being deliberately used to propagate a racist political agenda is either incredibly nieve, disingenuous or a useful idiot.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 22, 2024 15:15:24 GMT
Don't you recognise the MO of how these far left groups pick on this sort of incident to further their agenda? 1 Find bad event (riot in Leeds), that the general population are suffering because of. 2 Spam edited clips of local non white people that portrays them in a positive light, and disregard any that don't. 3 Disregard any negative action from the event unless you can identify a white person doing it, preferably a middle aged male. That's the sweet spot. If you find one then use that as an example to claim that everyone else is innocent. 4 Ignore and disregard anything from the real world. If it doesn't impact you personally then it doesn't exist. 5 If anyone provides facts about the event then deflect the topic of discussion by insinuating that they are racist. 6 if they continue to tell the truth then ridicule them further by insinuating they're racist and making fun of them publicly. 7 keep calling them racist until the topic of discussion is fully deflected. If needed, bring in clips of Nigel Farage or Tommy Robinson to detract further from the actual topic at hand. Rinse and repeat. You left the bit off about producing some stats from a left wing publication and identifying them as facts because they suit their agenda. Whoda thunkit? On this very thread too Absolutely nailed. Well worth a watch.
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Post by sticky on Jul 22, 2024 15:34:01 GMT
Looked to me like some local people were being asked to give an opinion on the riots and the area in general.. is that not allowed anymore then? Im confused.. so are the people interviewed in the video… Not local people, just actors to suit the right wing think tank Local people with legitimate concerns Local people who are racist Local people who are thick and have got it all wrong ???
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Post by stokeson on Jul 22, 2024 15:39:24 GMT
You left the bit off about producing some stats from a left wing publication and identifying them as facts because they suit their agenda. Whoda thunkit? On this very thread too Absolutely nailed. Well worth a watch. Just a bit of context New Culture Forum. Emmnon ltd Tufton St london .Directors Pete whittle (dep leader ukip) Niel Anderson Ideological backbone behind Liz Truss. Both Brexit funders and climate deniers big pals with Bannon and Farage. Well worth a watch if you belive any old shit that fits you agenda.......
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 22, 2024 15:45:00 GMT
Whoda thunkit? On this very thread too Just a bit of context New Culture Forum. Emmnon ltd Tufton St london .Directors Pete whittle (dep leader ukip) Niel Anderson Ideological backbone behind Liz Truss. Both Brexit funders and climate deniers big pals with Bannon and Farage. Well worth a watch if you belive any old shit that fits you agenda....... OK chaps having watched the video what are the bits that are flagrant lies? I’d be interested to know.
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