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Post by J-Roar on Jul 24, 2024 10:57:49 GMT
I'll concede on England and VAR. But not for Stoke ladies/women/girls because it's semi pro. If we have a thread for everyone who plays football as a hobby there will be too many threads. If I created a thread for a pub team I played for, I’d expect it to be shit binned or deleted rather soon, in the same way if I created a thread of little or no interest on the EE board. But there’s enough people on here who do have an interest in Stoke’s women team. It’s not my thing either (I clicked on the thread originally by accident) but it doesn’t affect me it being discussed on here. I mean a Stoke City football team being discussed on a Stoke City message board, I’d be a fool to complain. You said it. |
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Post by apb1 on Jul 24, 2024 15:11:59 GMT
This is an integral part of the club. Nonsense to suggest it should go somewhere else than the Stoke City FC board.
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Post by hoppo96 on Jul 24, 2024 15:22:45 GMT
the mere presence of women playing football is too much for some. It's ok, lads your partners don't want to come on your away trips with you. Relax...
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Post by frasier37 on Jul 24, 2024 15:48:33 GMT
There wouldn't be much to talk about then though would there  You can still talk about them in the section of the board that's allocated for topics unrelated to Stoke City FC. Nah, luckily we are living in a more modern society where I can read all things stoke city, including youth and women on here thanks  |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 24, 2024 15:59:06 GMT
Well yeah. I was trying to come up with an example of something a bit too specific. Dog & Duck FC training session highlights. Oh I know and you’re spot on and the person you’re replying to is just being a misogynist. If I played Sunday league I’d get a thread started now tbh 🤣 Scored a overhead kick from the half way line last Sunday, honest😉 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 16:01:43 GMT
Oh I know and you’re spot on and the person you’re replying to is just being a misogynist. If I played Sunday league I’d get a thread started now tbh 🤣 Scored a overhead kick from the half way line last Sunday, honest😉 I’ve scored from the halfway line before. But only because I couldn’t be arsed to run any more and I was the furthest forward so just twatted it 🤣complete fluke really. Like I meant it but probably couldn’t do it again. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 24, 2024 16:18:16 GMT
Scored a overhead kick from the half way line last Sunday, honest😉 I’ve scored from the halfway line before. But only because I couldn’t be arsed to run any more and I was the furthest forward so just twatted it 🤣complete fluke really. Like I meant it but probably couldn’t do it again. Me too, a hopelessly over hit free kick into the mixer for a last minute equaliser🤣 |
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 17, 2024 7:13:33 GMT
Backing of the women's team getting another bashing in the Guardian www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/aug/17/abby-hunt-stoke-ruined-belief-womens-footballAbby Hunt: ‘Stoke has ruined my belief in women’s football’ “Stoke has ruined my belief in women’s football,” Hunt says. “I do want to play again, but I think I’ll just play for fun – I’m not bothered about playing for a semi-pro team when, realistically, you’d get more backing at a Sunday league team, I think.” |
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Post by delilahwhy on Aug 17, 2024 7:18:13 GMT
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Post by matelot1996 on Aug 17, 2024 7:26:50 GMT
One of my biggest gripes about the Women games is how everything is piggy backed on to the men’s games. News, Stadiums, Facilities. Good luck to them but, It’s only right they have their own Forum.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 17, 2024 7:31:41 GMT
Backing of the women's team getting another bashing in the Guardian www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/aug/17/abby-hunt-stoke-ruined-belief-womens-footballAbby Hunt: ‘Stoke has ruined my belief in women’s football’ “Stoke has ruined my belief in women’s football,” Hunt says. “I do want to play again, but I think I’ll just play for fun – I’m not bothered about playing for a semi-pro team when, realistically, you’d get more backing at a Sunday league team, I think.” The legacy the owners could leave in the women’s game giving all young girls in Staffordshire aspirations of a career in football could be massive and would cost them next to nothing in the grand scheme of things. At this point if they’re not going to take it seriously I think I’d rather the club just pull out od the women’s game completely and let Newcastle Town or another local club be the local flag bearers for the women’s game instead |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 7:49:30 GMT
So the club haven't learned from last time around and they've put no plans in place to change either?
Disgraceful.
If you treat and continue to treat women like second class citizens they will continue to be viewed as such.
I expect better from this club and from football in general.
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Post by st3mark on Aug 17, 2024 8:11:10 GMT
So the club haven't learned from last time around and they've put no plans in place to change either? Disgraceful. If you treat and continue to treat women like second class citizens they will continue to be viewed as such. I expect better from this club and from football in general. The men get their medical stuff paid for because they make the club money from them, not because they are men. It's because they are a valuable assett or a future investment. The semi pro ladies team are an expenditure. It's different completely and it actually is equality. If a men's team aren't making you any money this is how they are treated, just like in any amateur side it's the same. It's business sadly. If you expect them to have this treatment just because they are women and not based on worth then it has nothing to do with equality at all. It would be the opposite of equality, it would be special treatment for women. So they aren't being treated as second class citizens, she just thinks that she should be treated the same as a professional men's footballer at the club who is of more value and isn't happy that she's treated equal to a male non-professional. |
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Post by gaznandi on Aug 17, 2024 8:17:43 GMT
Backing of the women's team getting another bashing in the Guardian www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/aug/17/abby-hunt-stoke-ruined-belief-womens-footballAbby Hunt: ‘Stoke has ruined my belief in women’s football’ “Stoke has ruined my belief in women’s football,” Hunt says. “I do want to play again, but I think I’ll just play for fun – I’m not bothered about playing for a semi-pro team when, realistically, you’d get more backing at a Sunday league team, I think.” The clubs stance (at the bottom of the piece) The club said: “All of Stoke’s women’s team, regardless of injury or contract status, were offered an end-of-season meeting with the head coach and her coaching team. The club’s investment in women’s football has increased year-on-year with the women’s team achieving semi-professional status from the 2023-24 season onwards – the team are paid, fully insured and benefit from investment in, and improvement to, the infrastructure and support available to them. Stoke City supports and is fully committed to the growth of women’s football.” Hmmmmmmmmm... |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 17, 2024 8:22:20 GMT
I’ve scored from the halfway line before. But only because I couldn’t be arsed to run any more and I was the furthest forward so just twatted it 🤣complete fluke really. Like I meant it but probably couldn’t do it again. Me too, a hopelessly over hit free kick into the mixer for a last minute equaliser🤣 You and Bayern should have got on that team coach for today 😉 |
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Post by hoppo96 on Aug 17, 2024 8:54:00 GMT
I know some people on here are outraged by the mere possibility of 'ladies' playing the beautiful game but it's clearly wrong for us to basically dump somebody on the NHS when we have the means to fund otherwise. I mean, they got this injury playing for SCFC and wearing our badge. Come to think of it, that might be what pisses some on here off. They're wearing the SCFC badge, Red & White and playing in front of a crowd (even a small one). For people on here, they're closer to their dream than they ever got to.
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Post by pavel on Aug 17, 2024 8:56:34 GMT
That’s a hell of a damning article, the club should be utterly ashamed of the ways it has dealt with Hunt.
As for the generic response it’s not worthy of comment, you see it from all types of businesses, governments and organisations and these responses are almost as hurtful as the original issues.
Have the balls to comment on the specific issue, independently investigate it and have the balls to admit when you’re wrong.
That was as damning an article I’ve read about women’s football and makes our talk about supporting it sound like lip service and marketing fluff.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 9:17:09 GMT
So the club haven't learned from last time around and they've put no plans in place to change either? Disgraceful. If you treat and continue to treat women like second class citizens they will continue to be viewed as such. I expect better from this club and from football in general. The men get their medical stuff paid for because they make the club money from them, not because they are men. It's because they are a valuable assett or a future investment. The semi pro ladies team are an expenditure. It's different completely and it actually is equality. If a men's team aren't making you any money this is how they are treated, just like in any amateur side it's the same. It's business sadly. If you expect them to have this treatment just because they are women and not based on worth then it has nothing to do with equality at all. It would be the opposite of equality, it would be special treatment for women. So they aren't being treated as second class citizens, she just thinks that she should be treated the same as a professional men's footballer at the club who is of more value and isn't happy that she's treated equal to a male non-professional. They are attached to a professional football club so they should get access to the same medical treatment. They are based at the same training ground, have access to the same facilities yet are denied the same medical treatment? It's the epitome of treating them as second class citizens and as such the club should be damn ashamed of it. The fact you are linking medical treatment to income generated speaks volumes and typical of the multi tier state we sadly live in today. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 17, 2024 9:23:51 GMT
So the club haven't learned from last time around and they've put no plans in place to change either? Disgraceful. If you treat and continue to treat women like second class citizens they will continue to be viewed as such. I expect better from this club and from football in general. The men get their medical stuff paid for because they make the club money from them, not because they are men. It's because they are a valuable assett or a future investment. The semi pro ladies team are an expenditure. It's different completely and it actually is equality. If a men's team aren't making you any money this is how they are treated, just like in any amateur side it's the same. It's business sadly. If you expect them to have this treatment just because they are women and not based on worth then it has nothing to do with equality at all. It would be the opposite of equality, it would be special treatment for women. So they aren't being treated as second class citizens, she just thinks that she should be treated the same as a professional men's footballer at the club who is of more value and isn't happy that she's treated equal to a male non-professional. So disband the Women’s team then. If we’re not interested, let’s not pretend that we are…… |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 17, 2024 9:25:24 GMT
The men get their medical stuff paid for because they make the club money from them, not because they are men. It's because they are a valuable assett or a future investment. The semi pro ladies team are an expenditure. It's different completely and it actually is equality. If a men's team aren't making you any money this is how they are treated, just like in any amateur side it's the same. It's business sadly. If you expect them to have this treatment just because they are women and not based on worth then it has nothing to do with equality at all. It would be the opposite of equality, it would be special treatment for women. So they aren't being treated as second class citizens, she just thinks that she should be treated the same as a professional men's footballer at the club who is of more value and isn't happy that she's treated equal to a male non-professional. They are attached to a professional football club so they should get access to the same medical treatment. They are based at the same training ground, have access to the same facilities yet are denied the same medical treatment? It's the epitome of treating them as second class citizens and as such the club should be damn ashamed of it. The fact you are linking medical treatment to income generated speaks volumes and typical of the multi tier state we sadly live in today. The price of everything, the value of nothing…. |
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Post by wuzza on Aug 17, 2024 9:30:29 GMT
Stoke women’s set up certainly seems to have managed to prove the old cliche ‘all publicity is good publicity’ is a load of nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 9:39:16 GMT
They are attached to a professional football club so they should get access to the same medical treatment. They are based at the same training ground, have access to the same facilities yet are denied the same medical treatment? It's the epitome of treating them as second class citizens and as such the club should be damn ashamed of it. The fact you are linking medical treatment to income generated speaks volumes and typical of the multi tier state we sadly live in today. The price of everything, the value of nothing…. Exactly. When the new men's building is completed they'll have the old building all to themselves yet won't have access to private medical treatment? Why have them based at the club? I'm assuming they won't have the same food as the men, as they clearly aren't income generators like the men, therefore will have a trough of baked beans to fight over, with a couple of dead dogs thrown in for extra protein? I take it they'll have the old men's faded kit from 2017? Can't have them in new threads unless they have to pay for it themselves? |
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 17, 2024 9:39:16 GMT
Walters claims they've "increased the budget this season and added things like insurance for the team"
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Post by pavel on Aug 17, 2024 10:08:21 GMT
Walters claims they've "increased the budget this season and added things like insurance for the team" So a corporate response to the Guardian article, quickly trotted out, excuse my cynicism (not aimed at Walter’s) but it doesn’t alter the fact that Hunt was shamefully treated and the women’s team undervalued. Things take time!! Well we’re not some semi-pro club in bowels of the football pyramid, we’re a cash rich club who should have acted much, much better, not only with the women’s team overall with proper terms and conditions but on this individual case as well. It’s not like we couldn’t afford to provide insurance last year, it takes time, my arse. |
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Post by i1da on Aug 17, 2024 10:15:57 GMT
Personally, I support Stoke City FC. Don't give a flying fig for any other team from Argentina through Real Manchester and down to Stoke City Women. That being said, Stoke really are missing out on a once in all of history opportunity. Round up all the transgender alleged women and thrash every women's team 25-0. No one will ever be able to beat the records set by us!
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 17, 2024 10:16:33 GMT
Walters claims they've "increased the budget this season and added things like insurance for the team" So a corporate response to the Guardian article, quickly trotted out, excuse my cynicism (not aimed at Walter’s) but it doesn’t alter the fact that Hunt was shamefully treated and the women’s team undervalued. Things take time!! Well we’re not some semi-pro club in bowels of the football pyramid, we’re a cash rich club who should have acted much, much better, not only with the women’s team overall with proper terms and conditions but on this individual case as well. It’s not like we couldn’t afford to provide insurance last year, it takes time, my arse. My arse takes time too. Need some oranges and a black coffee |
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Post by i1da on Aug 17, 2024 10:21:36 GMT
Walters claims they've "increased the budget this season and added things like insurance for the team" So a corporate response to the Guardian article, quickly trotted out, excuse my cynicism (not aimed at Walter’s) but it doesn’t alter the fact that Hunt was shamefully treated and the women’s team undervalued. Things take time!! Well we’re not some semi-pro club in bowels of the football pyramid, we’re a cash rich club who should have acted much, much better, not only with the women’s team overall with proper terms and conditions but on this individual case as well. It’s not like we couldn’t afford to provide insurance last year, it takes time, my arse. EXACTLY! We are a cash rich (really?) club that play in the second tier of the men's league. We are not a charity. The women's club must be self supporting or go away, just as the men's team have had to do in our history. It drives me bonkers when I'm looking for news on Stoke City FC main site and have to scan through a bunch of meaningless garbage about some team that I have less than zero interest in. |
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Post by hoppo96 on Aug 17, 2024 10:29:52 GMT
problem with "we're not a charity" stuff is we make it sound like these women should be eternally grateful they even get to play for us in the first place. But many of them are not from the local area, and could find better moves to similar sized clubs that offer them better conditions.
Most of the u18 lads will never kick a ball in the professional game, yet we wouldn't have them training on a local, muddy field and make them wear old kits from a decade back.
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Post by jestershat on Aug 17, 2024 10:51:23 GMT
My good lady and both daughters are ladies from Stoke ('Castle actually but....). We now live overseas and I would love a scarf that says "Stoke Ladies"....I've looked but can't see one....any ideas welcome.
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Post by ange1 on Aug 17, 2024 11:10:16 GMT
Just an observation, can the thread title be changed please?
The team is actually now called Stoke City Women.
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