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Post by gogogadget on Jul 17, 2024 8:43:45 GMT
Unfortunately, our finances our not much different to any of the other mid table championship side. Gayle and Wes leaving didn’t really do much to the profit and sustainability, they were just salaries with not investment or loss over the 3 year period. What it looks like we are doing is bringing in potential, at low outlay, and potential high return. If you get a 3 year period where 3-5 players come and go at a profit, say between 5-10 million each, that would enable the owners to potentially invest higher amounts than what we are seeing. The hope for us fans is we can do that and still try and make the play offs. The reality of pissing away the money from relegation Wages are king in FFP not player trading. It wasn’t the initial fees that put us in the terrible FFP position we were in a year or two ago it was the wages. The losses made the fees look like small change. I do agree, I was referring to those 2 separately I was kind of referring to a player we pay £8 million for and pay £20k a week. If we did that and ran a contract down, over 3 years that’s 11 million outplayed with nothing back If we sell bae or burger end of this year, we would be in a even healthier position, In short we just have to play a game of chess with signings these days
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Post by LankyPotter on Jul 17, 2024 8:47:12 GMT
He does have the potential to change games at championship level on his speed alone - think he will add something different to our striking unit immediately.
He gave Ipswich a tonne of problems last season amongst others.
Have to think Schuey will improve him/ refine his game consistently and if he does we could be onto a winner.
Chase Cannon/Stansfield on loan and we should be looking healthy up front.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 17, 2024 8:47:15 GMT
Wages are king in FFP not player trading. It wasn’t the initial fees that put us in the terrible FFP position we were in a year or two ago it was the wages. The losses made the fees look like small change. I do agree, I was referring to those 2 separately I was kind of referring to a player we pay £8 million for and pay £20k a week. If we did that and ran a contract down, over 3 years that’s 11 million outplayed with nothing back If we sell bae or burger end of this year, we would be in a even healthier position, In short we just have to play a game of chess with signings these days That’s why some clubs will only sign players under a certain age 24/25. You tend to be able to get them on lower wages and they very rarely lose all their value over the course of their contract. It’s good business.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 17, 2024 8:49:21 GMT
He does have the potential to change games at championship level on his speed alone - think he will add something different to our striking unit immediately. He gave Ipswich a tonne of problems last season amongst others. Have to think Schuey will improve him/ refine his game consistently and if he does we could be onto a winner. Chase Cannon/Stansfield on loan and we should be looking healthy up front. Yes it already seems like Schu is a coach that improves his players. Did any of ours actually improve under AN. I can’t think of any.
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Post by eddyclamp on Jul 17, 2024 9:02:29 GMT
We don`t need potential , we need a bagger to get out of this league,
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 17, 2024 9:05:00 GMT
We simply don't have the spending scope under FFP to go get a "bagger" as you put it. This is the only way forward at present.
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Post by eddyclamp on Jul 17, 2024 9:09:26 GMT
Given the right service , it could be Maee, who knows.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 17, 2024 9:10:07 GMT
I wouldn't bother. It's a thread just laying into the kid about everything ranging from his first touch to the fact he didn't smile on a team go karting event. Typical messageboard fodder when you are about to lose a prospect to a league rival. Backs up his shit goal record though? I’ve never knowingly seen him play so am not making a judgement but nothing about him sounds good.
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Post by haway on Jul 17, 2024 9:10:33 GMT
Armstrong (if you are signing him) came on against us earlier in the season and looked a right handful. Constantly running and pressuring our defence.
He was absolutely shit in front of goal mind, but he’s young enough to improve.
Might be worth a gamble.
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Post by eddyclamp on Jul 17, 2024 9:12:30 GMT
Armstrong (if you are signing him) came on against us earlier in the season and looked a right handful. Constantly running and pressuring our defence. He was absolutely shit in front of goal mind, but he’s young enough to improve. Might be worth a gamble. All our strikers are shit in front of goal, been like that for a few years.
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Post by LankyPotter on Jul 17, 2024 9:16:42 GMT
We don`t need potential , we need a bagger to get out of this league, Thats why you go after cannon/stansfield.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 17, 2024 9:19:28 GMT
£2.5m ?... hmm, not exactly jumping for joy with this one.
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Post by thanksjon on Jul 17, 2024 9:33:45 GMT
It would be a dream come true for me if Sinclair joined Stoke. I first him play in an FAI cup match for Shamrock Rovers when he was 15( he looked about 25 and I have followed his career ever since.He gets better every year and although he is still raw he causes carnage with his running.
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Post by thornestein on Jul 17, 2024 10:09:25 GMT
We don`t need potential , we need a bagger to get out of this league, agree we need goals , not against his signing but if we do we need a scorer play alongside him , does SS play two up top ??
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Post by premieraj on Jul 17, 2024 10:14:49 GMT
Sounds a bit Mo Sankoh…
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 17, 2024 10:26:27 GMT
Wages are king in FFP not player trading. It wasn’t the initial fees that put us in the terrible FFP position we were in a year or two ago it was the wages. The losses made the fees look like small change. I do agree, I was referring to those 2 separately I was kind of referring to a player we pay £8 million for and pay £20k a week. If we did that and ran a contract down, over 3 years that’s 11 million outplayed with nothing back If we sell bae or burger end of this year, we would be in a even healthier position, In short we just have to play a game of chess with signings these days But that's a worst case scenario. Few teams in the Championship without parachutes are paying fees like that. Those players tend to come on loans. A £2.5m fee for Armstrong costs max £1.5m a year on a 4 year deal with a good chance of sell on or recouping the cost. With he new Tv deal plus owner support, we can be very competitive in the market if we choose to be.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jul 17, 2024 10:30:13 GMT
Have seen Sinclair Armstrong play a bit but not noticed his hold up play as such which is crucial for me if we go down the road of Big Man up top. Anyone know if this is an aspect of his game that is good or does he need a bit of polishing? I do like Ugbo though....
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jul 17, 2024 10:51:41 GMT
QPR mate at work likes him says strong, fast if only he could score more often he'd be a real gem.
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Post by monsoonmoon on Jul 17, 2024 11:04:53 GMT
I thought Armstrong was a real handful at the Brit last season and they looked a much worse team when he was subbed. He bullied McNally (not difficult, admittedly) and created lots of space for others to work in. I don’t really subscribe to the idea that we must get a 20 goal a season striker - it’d be preferable but they’re very few and far between. If you can get a centre-forward to get a steady number (double figures essentially) but also facilitate others chipping in then I think that’s an equally viable option.
Manhoef has shown a sizeable uptick in goals after some early profligacy, hopefully Bae will do likewise. Schuey seems to expect goals from centre-midfielders too - Cundle chipped in with a couple and he was encouraging more runners from midfield. I suspect we’re hoping to balance the goalscoring load around, so that we’re not reliant on one person entirely.
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Post by delilahwhy on Jul 17, 2024 12:14:13 GMT
I think you'd all find the Armstrong thread on the Loft For Words forum interesting. "I do not see what the infatuation is with this kid. He cannot trap a bag of cement and has zero footballing intelligence. How many time last season was he through on goal yet a heavy touch turns it into a 50/50 with the keeper or a back pass. And don't get me started on how many times he was caught offside if wide positions when he can see the entire oppo's back line" I think I'd rather go back, cap in hand, to Tyrese.
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Post by lordb on Jul 17, 2024 12:15:51 GMT
We don`t need potential , we need a bagger to get out of this league, Because of FFP we don't have the money for that
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Post by delilahwhy on Jul 17, 2024 12:18:13 GMT
Armstrong (if you are signing him) came on against us earlier in the season and looked a right handful. Constantly running and pressuring our defence. He was absolutely shit in front of goal mind, but he’s young enough to improve. Might be worth a gamble. "Absolutely shit in front of goal" Jesus Christ. This is worrying. Our ambition should be top 6. We need a striker that fits the bill accordingly, not somebody chasing a balloon around for 90 minutes, that might be "a handful for defenders" in the process.
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Post by lordb on Jul 17, 2024 12:19:43 GMT
I thought Armstrong was a real handful at the Brit last season and they looked a much worse team when he was subbed. He bullied McNally (not difficult, admittedly) and created lots of space for others to work in. I don’t really subscribe to the idea that we must get a 20 goal a season striker - it’d be preferable but they’re very few and far between. If you can get a centre-forward to get a steady number (double figures essentially) but also facilitate others chipping in then I think that’s an equally viable option. Manhoef has shown a sizeable uptick in goals after some early profligacy, hopefully Bae will do likewise. Schuey seems to expect goals from centre-midfielders too - Cundle chipped in with a couple and he was encouraging more runners from midfield. I suspect we’re hoping to balance the goalscoring load around, so that we’re not reliant on one person entirely. he bullied MacNally...for 20 minutes or so than MacNally dealt with him really well, ended up being one of his best games None the less it was an eye catching 20 minutes, pace, power, very dangerous will need good coaching & hard work at the low fee of £2.5m can see why we are interested, potential is there we aint got the money for the perfect striker so have to take a gamble
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Post by stokesupporter on Jul 17, 2024 12:24:02 GMT
Exciting player for sure, and only 20 so I'm sure the goals will come.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 17, 2024 12:27:22 GMT
We don`t need potential , we need a bagger to get out of this league, So does everyone else..problem is we don't have the money for one. Same as 95% of teams in the league
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Post by etebojan on Jul 17, 2024 12:27:33 GMT
I thought Armstrong was a real handful at the Brit last season and they looked a much worse team when he was subbed. He bullied McNally (not difficult, admittedly) and created lots of space for others to work in. I don’t really subscribe to the idea that we must get a 20 goal a season striker - it’d be preferable but they’re very few and far between. If you can get a centre-forward to get a steady number (double figures essentially) but also facilitate others chipping in then I think that’s an equally viable option. Manhoef has shown a sizeable uptick in goals after some early profligacy, hopefully Bae will do likewise. Schuey seems to expect goals from centre-midfielders too - Cundle chipped in with a couple and he was encouraging more runners from midfield. I suspect we’re hoping to balance the goalscoring load around, so that we’re not reliant on one person entirely. he bullied MacNally...for 20 minutes or so than MacNally dealt with him really well, ended up being one of his best games None the less it was an eye catching 20 minutes, pace, power, very dangerous will need good coaching & hard work at the low fee of £2.5m can see why we are interested, potential is there we aint got the money for the perfect striker so have to take a gamble happy for us to take a calculated gamble on Armstrong, i think a big absolutely rapid and powerful player who can cause havoc and create space will be a useful tool
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Post by lordb on Jul 17, 2024 12:29:13 GMT
I think you'd all find the Armstrong thread on the Loft For Words forum interesting. "I do not see what the infatuation is with this kid. He cannot trap a bag of cement and has zero footballing intelligence. How many time last season was he through on goal yet a heavy touch turns it into a 50/50 with the keeper or a back pass. And don't get me started on how many times he was caught offside if wide positions when he can see the entire oppo's back line" I think I'd rather go back, cap in hand, to Tyrese. & yet he won young player of the season two years on the trot I think that shows the wider QPR fan view rather than a message board view
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 17, 2024 12:36:06 GMT
he bullied MacNally...for 20 minutes or so than MacNally dealt with him really well, ended up being one of his best games None the less it was an eye catching 20 minutes, pace, power, very dangerous will need good coaching & hard work at the low fee of £2.5m can see why we are interested, potential is there we aint got the money for the perfect striker so have to take a gamble happy for us to take a calculated gamble on Armstrong, i think a big absolutely rapid and powerful player who can cause havoc and create space will be a useful tool Bit of a stretch. I'll get me coat....
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Post by haway on Jul 17, 2024 12:40:39 GMT
Armstrong (if you are signing him) came on against us earlier in the season and looked a right handful. Constantly running and pressuring our defence. He was absolutely shit in front of goal mind, but he’s young enough to improve. Might be worth a gamble. "Absolutely shit in front of goal" Jesus Christ. This is worrying. Our ambition should be top 6. We need a striker that fits the bill accordingly, not somebody chasing a balloon around for 90 minutes, that might be "a handful for defenders" in the process. It’ll depend how much money you can spend. If £2.5m is just a small part of your budget, he could be worth a gamble, but if it’s a sizeable portion then he might not be worth the risk.
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Post by george2again on Jul 17, 2024 12:50:21 GMT
"Absolutely shit in front of goal" Jesus Christ. This is worrying. Our ambition should be top 6. We need a striker that fits the bill accordingly, not somebody chasing a balloon around for 90 minutes, that might be "a handful for defenders" in the process. It’ll depend how much money you can spend. If £2.5m is just a small part of your budget, he could be worth a gamble, but if it’s a sizeable portion then he might not be worth the risk. Not sure he would be the only striker we get in. Another loan striker would surely be needed. He is a beast and exactly what we need in team.
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