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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 4, 2024 5:52:17 GMT
You may be right but so long as they AREN'T racist in their criticisms, I don't think anybody should worry about criticising any religion. Yes, Robinson is a nasty piece of work. Why do you think so many folk turned out last Saturday then Paul and will do on July 27th? All racists? The football lads? Or just ordinary every day people in this country that have had enough of illegal immigrants,the Met Police and many other issues that nobody seems to want to talk about or do anything about? Vast majority, yes mate. The rest probably out for a day on the piss and a fight maybe.
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Post by knype on Jun 4, 2024 6:30:11 GMT
Why do you think so many folk turned out last Saturday then Paul and will do on July 27th? All racists? The football lads? Or just ordinary every day people in this country that have had enough of illegal immigrants,the Met Police and many other issues that nobody seems to want to talk about or do anything about? Vast majority, yes mate. The rest probably out for a day on the piss and a fight maybe. Absolute horse shit
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 4, 2024 6:46:44 GMT
Vast majority, yes mate. The rest probably out for a day on the piss and a fight maybe. Absolute horse shit You're entitled to your opinion sunshine.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 8:16:00 GMT
Earlier on this thread I gave a pretty clear definition of Islamophobia and I actually used the example of saying that the treatment of women by some Muslim men is an issue is neither Islamaphobic nor racist. It becomes Islamaphobia/racist when specifuc issues are generalised to all Muslims - which is precisely what this women is doing when she says "Islam is a death cult" and "Fuck Islam. Fuck Muslims". If you don't get that distinction you are either being disingenuous or need help understanding how language works. This women is Islamophibic and what she us trying to do is present he views as "normal". Her views aren't normal. They are abhorrent. Or you're thick...which most racists are. The thick ones are the ones who swallow the propaganda, the propaganda itself is getting quite sophisticated. I've attended protests where fringe groups have infiltrated and tried to impose their own (often violent) agenda. The one at the weekend is the mirror image - it was organised by thugs who suckered in some "ordinary people", photographed them and then organised a social media campaign to claim the protest was just a spontaneous demonstration by the common people. Was it bollocks - it was a carefully planned demo by a bunch of Islamaphobes designed to give the impression that Islamaphobia is just the natural position of ordinary folk. Scratch the surface and its a blatant attempt to normalise Islamophobia and distance it from its historical roots in far right political ideology.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 4, 2024 9:13:21 GMT
Why do you think so many folk turned out last Saturday then Paul and will do on July 27th? All racists? The football lads? Or just ordinary every day people in this country that have had enough of illegal immigrants,the Met Police and many other issues that nobody seems to want to talk about or do anything about? Vast majority, yes mate. The rest probably out for a day on the piss and a fight maybe. There was no violence reported Huddy and what is wrong with a day on the piss 🍺
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Post by milton58 on Jun 4, 2024 9:34:45 GMT
Vast majority, yes mate. The rest probably out for a day on the piss and a fight maybe. There was no violence reported Huddy and what is wrong with a day on the piss 🍺 because it's wrong if you are into football had having a good session with your mates it turns you into a racist football hooligan
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 4, 2024 9:39:34 GMT
There was no violence reported Huddy and what is wrong with a day on the piss 🍺 because it's wrong if you are into football had having a good session with your mates it turns you into a racist football hooligan Very good point mate.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 4, 2024 9:40:58 GMT
The problem is Islamists. That is the problem. And everybody including Muslims should speak up about them every chance they can on whatever platform they can. They are the problem. And they are a very fucking big problem...And its not racist to do so. Islamists in accordance with the weird definitions of racists I'm hearing on here are the biggest racists on the planet. They want to kill you..
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 4, 2024 9:47:49 GMT
The problem is Islamists. That is the problem. And everybody including Muslims should speak up about them every chance they can on whatever platform they can. They are the problem. And they are a very fucking big problem...And its not racist to do so. Islamists in accordance with the weird definitions of racists I'm hearing on here are the biggest racists on the planet. They want to kill you.. Spot on Mickey and if moderate Muslims spoke out more it would drive it home that extremists are not tolerated within their religion.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 4, 2024 9:50:49 GMT
The problem is Islamists. That is the problem. And everybody including Muslims should speak up about them every chance they can on whatever platform they can. They are the problem. And they are a very fucking big problem...And its not racist to do so. Islamists in accordance with the weird definitions of racists I'm hearing on here are the biggest racists on the planet. They want to kill you.. Spot on Mickey and if moderate Muslims spoke out more it would drive it home that extremists are not tolerated within their religion. Correct. But its easy to hide behind the made up term islamaphobe and shout racism to close the arguement. Useful idiots is the term im hearing in my head...
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Post by gawa on Jun 4, 2024 10:15:46 GMT
The problem is Islamists. That is the problem. And everybody including Muslims should speak up about them every chance they can on whatever platform they can. They are the problem. And they are a very fucking big problem...And its not racist to do so. Islamists in accordance with the weird definitions of racists I'm hearing on here are the biggest racists on the planet. They want to kill you.. I think the issue is extremists which come in many forms and religions. You get zionist extremist, muslim extremist and even Christian extremists too in some of these cult like churches in America. I think there are also both fake actors as well as "influencers" across all religions which attempt to inflame tensions and stoke division too. When it comes to Islam I personally think shia Muslims tend to be alot more tolerant and aligned with our values than what sunni Muslims would be. With that said I'm sure both have moderates and extremists within them. If we focused more on who is shaking the jar then I think we'd get peace sooner. Not everyone who is campaigning against Zionist extremists or Muslim extremists has genuine intentions in my opinion.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 4, 2024 10:21:37 GMT
The problem is Islamists. That is the problem. And everybody including Muslims should speak up about them every chance they can on whatever platform they can. They are the problem. And they are a very fucking big problem...And its not racist to do so. Islamists in accordance with the weird definitions of racists I'm hearing on here are the biggest racists on the planet. They want to kill you.. I think the issue is extremists which come in many forms and religions. You get zionist extremist, muslim extremist and even Christian extremists too in some of these cult like churches in America. I think there are also both fake actors as well as "influencers" across all religions which attempt to inflame tensions and stoke division too. When it comes to Islam I personally think shia Muslims tend to be alot more tolerant and aligned with our values than what sunni Muslims would be. With that said I'm sure both have moderates and extremists within them. If we focused more on who is shaking the jar then I think we'd get peace sooner. Not everyone who is campaigning against Zionist extremists or Muslim extremists has genuine intentions in my opinion. Enough of that nonsense. Why aren't you condemning Christian paedophile priests, call yourself a moderate?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 4, 2024 10:21:38 GMT
The problem is Islamists. That is the problem. And everybody including Muslims should speak up about them every chance they can on whatever platform they can. They are the problem. And they are a very fucking big problem...And its not racist to do so. Islamists in accordance with the weird definitions of racists I'm hearing on here are the biggest racists on the planet. They want to kill you.. I think the issue is extremists which come in many forms and religions. You get zionist extremist, muslim extremist and even Christian extremists too in some of these cult like churches in America. I think there are also both fake actors as well as "influencers" across all religions which attempt to inflame tensions and stoke division too. When it comes to Islam I personally think shia Muslims tend to be alot more tolerant and aligned with our values than what sunni Muslims would be. With that said I'm sure both have moderates and extremists within them. If we focused more on who is shaking the jar then I think we'd get peace sooner. Not everyone who is campaigning against Zionist extremists or Muslim extremists has genuine intentions in my opinion. Overweight middle aged balding white men are exclusively being accused of being the jar shakers. The so called gammons. Who incidentally are probably the single most discriminated people in this country..its actively encouraged in fact..
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 4, 2024 10:23:28 GMT
I think the issue is extremists which come in many forms and religions. You get zionist extremist, muslim extremist and even Christian extremists too in some of these cult like churches in America. I think there are also both fake actors as well as "influencers" across all religions which attempt to inflame tensions and stoke division too. When it comes to Islam I personally think shia Muslims tend to be alot more tolerant and aligned with our values than what sunni Muslims would be. With that said I'm sure both have moderates and extremists within them. If we focused more on who is shaking the jar then I think we'd get peace sooner. Not everyone who is campaigning against Zionist extremists or Muslim extremists has genuine intentions in my opinion. Overweight middle aged balding white men are exclusively being accused of being the jar shakers. The so called gammons. Who incidentally are probably the single most discriminated people in this country..its actively encouraged in fact..
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 4, 2024 10:25:55 GMT
Overweight middle aged balding white men are exclusively being accused of being the jar shakers. The so called gammons. Who incidentally are probably the single most discriminated people in this country..its actively encouraged in fact.. Laugh all you want pal. Its true..
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 4, 2024 10:27:30 GMT
Laugh all you want pal. Its true.. Thoughts and prayers to the white balding middle age men mate..........
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 4, 2024 10:29:12 GMT
Laugh all you want pal. Its true.. Thoughts and prayers to the white balding middle age men mate.......... Carry on being a useful idiot...
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Post by gawa on Jun 4, 2024 10:32:24 GMT
I think the issue is extremists which come in many forms and religions. You get zionist extremist, muslim extremist and even Christian extremists too in some of these cult like churches in America. I think there are also both fake actors as well as "influencers" across all religions which attempt to inflame tensions and stoke division too. When it comes to Islam I personally think shia Muslims tend to be alot more tolerant and aligned with our values than what sunni Muslims would be. With that said I'm sure both have moderates and extremists within them. If we focused more on who is shaking the jar then I think we'd get peace sooner. Not everyone who is campaigning against Zionist extremists or Muslim extremists has genuine intentions in my opinion. Overweight middle aged balding white men are exclusively being accused of being the jar shakers. The so called gammons. Who incidentally are probably the single most discriminated people in this country..its actively encouraged in fact.. I don't believe they're the jar shakers at all.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 4, 2024 10:35:59 GMT
Why do you think so many folk turned out last Saturday then Paul and will do on July 27th? All racists? The football lads? Or just ordinary every day people in this country that have had enough of illegal immigrants,the Met Police and many other issues that nobody seems to want to talk about or do anything about? Vast majority, yes mate. The rest probably out for a day on the piss and a fight maybe. With all due respect I think you’re totally wrong but that’s your opinion
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jun 4, 2024 10:38:27 GMT
Spot on Mickey and if moderate Muslims spoke out more it would drive it home that extremists are not tolerated within their religion. Correct. But its easy to hide behind the made up term islamaphobe and shout racism to close the arguement. Useful idiots is the term im hearing in my head... From what I'm reading it is fine to condemn Christian paedophile priests (they should be condemned btw) but any talk of Islam is 'nonsense'.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 4, 2024 10:38:47 GMT
Why do you think so many folk turned out last Saturday then Paul and will do on July 27th? All racists? The football lads? Or just ordinary every day people in this country that have had enough of illegal immigrants,the Met Police and many other issues that nobody seems to want to talk about or do anything about? It was not a protest organised by ordinary everyday people was it - it was organised by Yaxley-Lennon (a known Islamaphobic provoceteur) and attended by people with a history of football related violence (https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/far-right-protest-london-counter-march-mark-rowley/). The whole ordinary people bollocks is just far right propaganda designed to normalise Islamaphobia. That post you shared by the clearly Islamophobic English.Female1 is a clear example of this. The question you need to ask yourself is whether you have been suckered into believing their propaganda or are actively propagating it. I believe that a vast majority of people were/are ordinary folk so we’ll agree to differ on that point
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 4, 2024 10:52:43 GMT
Overweight middle aged balding white men are exclusively being accused of being the jar shakers. The so called gammons. Who incidentally are probably the single most discriminated people in this country..its actively encouraged in fact.. I don't believe they're the jar shakers at all. The media would disagree. As the coverage of various protests has shown all too clearly. I post about the problem of islamists on hear and not a squeek. Mention white middle aged men being discriminated against and hey presto a useful idiot appears. Quite sad how blatant it is really..
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 4, 2024 10:54:15 GMT
It was not a protest organised by ordinary everyday people was it - it was organised by Yaxley-Lennon (a known Islamaphobic provoceteur) and attended by people with a history of football related violence (https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/far-right-protest-london-counter-march-mark-rowley/). The whole ordinary people bollocks is just far right propaganda designed to normalise Islamaphobia. That post you shared by the clearly Islamophobic English.Female1 is a clear example of this. The question you need to ask yourself is whether you have been suckered into believing their propaganda or are actively propagating it. I believe that a vast majority of people were/are ordinary folk so we’ll agree to differ on that point Your posts are amusing because Yaxley - Lennon (that's his real name by the way) is a far right, racist grifter with a massive cocaine habit to fund..and you and a few more on here seem to be defending him. Do you and your mates donate to his "fighting fund"?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 4, 2024 10:56:32 GMT
I don't believe they're the jar shakers at all. The media would disagree. As the coverage of various protests has shown all too clearly. I post about the problem of islamists on hear and not a squeek. Mention white middle aged men being discriminated against and hey presto a useful idiot appears. Quite sad how blatant it is really.. You do realise calling people "useful idiots" is just meaningless? The problem with Islamist extremism is the same problem as any form of extremism, it should be called out for what it is.......
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 4, 2024 10:56:44 GMT
I think the issue is extremists which come in many forms and religions. You get zionist extremist, muslim extremist and even Christian extremists too in some of these cult like churches in America. I think there are also both fake actors as well as "influencers" across all religions which attempt to inflame tensions and stoke division too. When it comes to Islam I personally think shia Muslims tend to be alot more tolerant and aligned with our values than what sunni Muslims would be. With that said I'm sure both have moderates and extremists within them. If we focused more on who is shaking the jar then I think we'd get peace sooner. Not everyone who is campaigning against Zionist extremists or Muslim extremists has genuine intentions in my opinion. Overweight middle aged balding white men are exclusively being accused of being the jar shakers. The so called gammons. Who incidentally are probably the single most discriminated people in this country..its actively encouraged in fact.. I'm not so overweight anymore, but since I tick the other boxes, I don't identify with this perception at all. Not remotely, in fact, I still feel quite privileged if I'm being honest. Probably slightly less than I did 30-40 years back when being white male obviously put me in a hugely privileged position (even coming from a poor, working class family), maybe some people are a bit over sensitive to this shift in power dynamic? I think there is a difference between being concerned about the threat of religious extremism, which I think we all should be, and then getting entrenched in an ongoing mentality of victimhood. I think the use of phrases such as gammon is just childish, but if it does offend then it may be it would be wise to be sensitive about the use of other similar daft phrases and their potential impact, like snowflake etc. Probably best avoid if uncertain.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 4, 2024 10:58:12 GMT
It was not a protest organised by ordinary everyday people was it - it was organised by Yaxley-Lennon (a known Islamaphobic provoceteur) and attended by people with a history of football related violence (https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/far-right-protest-london-counter-march-mark-rowley/). The whole ordinary people bollocks is just far right propaganda designed to normalise Islamaphobia. That post you shared by the clearly Islamophobic English.Female1 is a clear example of this. The question you need to ask yourself is whether you have been suckered into believing their propaganda or are actively propagating it. I believe that a vast majority of people were/are ordinary folk so we’ll agree to differ on that point Chief. These clowns will happily stereotype and discriminate the people to which you refer. Thats okay in their world. However the minute you mention any talk of issues with people who look a bit different you're the world's biggest racist and a Nazi. Useful idiots..
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 4, 2024 10:59:26 GMT
The media would disagree. As the coverage of various protests has shown all too clearly. I post about the problem of islamists on hear and not a squeek. Mention white middle aged men being discriminated against and hey presto a useful idiot appears. Quite sad how blatant it is really.. You do realise calling people "useful idiots" is just meaningless? The problem with Islamist extremism is the same problem as any form of extremism, it should be called out for what it is....... Truth isn't meaningless. We need to speak more of it...
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 4, 2024 11:03:06 GMT
I believe that a vast majority of people were/are ordinary folk so we’ll agree to differ on that point Your posts are amusing because Yaxley - Lennon (that's his real name by the way) is a far right, racist grifter with a massive cocaine habit to fund..and you and a few more on here seem to be defending him. Do you and your mates donate to his "fighting fund"? The irony in that post 🤣from the biggest bore on the board who’s apparently is never wrong
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2024 11:06:16 GMT
To be honest I'm not a fan of any religion. I feel like it causes a lot more problems in the world than it solves. If people want to believe in it that is their choice obviously but there are some in all religions that take it to the extreme and that's where the problems start. Definitely. And that's perhaps why our third largest political party in Sweden suggested nothing but christianity should be allowed. It's the mix that leads to conflict. Because Christian on Christian violence has never been seen in history 😂
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 4, 2024 11:09:52 GMT
Spot on Mickey and if moderate Muslims spoke out more it would drive it home that extremists are not tolerated within their religion. Correct. But its easy to hide behind the made up term islamaphobe and shout racism to close the arguement. Useful idiots is the term im hearing in my head... All words are made up. But they are made up for a reason - to clarify and enable rational debate. The term Islamaphobe does nor close down debate. It enables debate. Islamism is a political doctrine that sees the religion of Islam as being core to the political institutions of the state. It is not Islamaphobic to criticise the political doctrine of Islamism and there are many Muslim critics of Islamism in this country and around the world. However it is Islamophobic to project the atrocities of some Islamists onto the entire Muslim community and the term "Islamaphobia" is valid in that it describes a very specific phenomena in the real world in exactly the same way that homophobia describes a real world phenomena in relation to attitudes to homosexuality. The word is useful and has a very clear meaning and getting rid of the word doesn't get rid of the phenomena nor help rational debate. It's the supporters of Islamaphobia and racism in general who seek to fudge the debate by misusing and distorting words tobjustify their prejudices. They want to conflate words like Muslim and Islam with Islamism in order to associate specific issues with Islamism with all followers of Islam. That is exactly what the Twitter poster quoted earlier is doing when she posts things like "Islam is a death cult" and "Fuck Islam. Fuck Muslims". If you want a real world example of an Islamophobe that is it and whether you like the word or not it is an actial thing.
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