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Post by felonious on May 26, 2024 10:10:55 GMT
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Post by hoppo96 on May 26, 2024 10:12:26 GMT
it's a stupid idea from a desperate, desperate party. Just looking to shore up RW votes.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 26, 2024 10:15:40 GMT
Absolutely shit idea that solves nothing.
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Post by Gawa on May 26, 2024 10:18:04 GMT
Its not a bad idea but it needs to be backdated in my opinion as we have swathes of older people who never had the opportunity and could benefit greatly from it.
I'd start with those below retirement age and give them the option of military service or volunteering a weekend a month and slowly work your way down.
The boomers are the most patriotic generation the uk has ever seen, it would only be fair if they got the chance to experience such pride in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2024 10:19:44 GMT
They’re simply hoping to increase voter turnout amongst the old (who already vote a lot anyways).
Of course, their own sons and daughters will be exempt for some reason or another.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2024 10:20:46 GMT
Its not a bad idea but it needs to be backdated in my opinion as we have swathes of older people who never had the opportunity and could benefit greatly from it. I'd start with those below retirement age and give them the option of military service or volunteering a weekend a month and slowly work your way down. The boomers are the most patriotic generation the uk has ever seen, it would only be fair if they got the chance to experience such pride in my opinion. Screw that. It should be a mandatory requirement for getting those pension checks as well. |
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Post by andystokey on May 26, 2024 10:26:28 GMT
Except its not what the headlines say. it's 25 days a year volunteering.
The military places will be limited to 30k and you have to opt in to those, which you already can. Not what grandad thought.
Oh yeah and the money is coming from the same social fund that keeps food banks open. GE bullshit aimed at pensioners to get out and vote for Rishi. Total unadulterated nonsense aimed to make people look anywhere but at the shitshow of the last 14 years.
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Post by iancransonsknees on May 26, 2024 10:26:29 GMT
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Post by fullmetaljacket on May 26, 2024 10:29:29 GMT
Timeless this. One of the best comedies out there. |
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Post by fullmetaljacket on May 26, 2024 10:31:09 GMT
This will be in their manifesto?
Similar to the renters reform bill in their manifesto they never quite had the bollocks to push through.
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Post by liathroid on May 26, 2024 10:49:15 GMT
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Post by felonious on May 26, 2024 10:49:55 GMT
Except its not what the headlines say. it's 25 days a year volunteering. The military places will be limited to 30k and you have to opt in to those, which you already can. Not what grandad thought. Oh yeah and the money is coming from the same social fund that keeps food banks open. GE bullshit aimed at pensioners to get out and vote for Rishi. Total unadulterated nonsense aimed to make people look anywhere but at the shitshow of the last 14 years. Out of interest what's the rational for pensioners voting for their grandkids to have mandatory National Service  |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 26, 2024 10:52:06 GMT
I’m not saying it should be manadatary but the millitary is a great career path for those with no direction in life.
It’s not all about those joining being cannon fodder. It’s a great opportunity for them to learn skills that they can take into civilian life.
Additionaly it does give some much needed discipline too for those going down the wrong path.
I’ve met many young people who’ve thrived after joining.
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Post by lordb on May 26, 2024 10:53:44 GMT
Yes Minister/Yes Prime Minister should be compulsory viewing during election campaigns |
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Post by AlliG on May 26, 2024 10:58:44 GMT
Except its not what the headlines say. it's 25 days a year volunteering. The military places will be limited to 30k and you have to opt in to those, which you already can. Not what grandad thought. Oh yeah and the money is coming from the same social fund that keeps food banks open. GE bullshit aimed at pensioners to get out and vote for Rishi. Total unadulterated nonsense aimed to make people look anywhere but at the shitshow of the last 14 years. How can it be "volunteering" if it is mandatory? To volunteer in most of the places listed in Rishi's plan you require an enhanced DBS check (contact with children and/or vulnerable adults). Currently it takes up to about 3 months to get one. With all the additional DBS checks for all 18 year olds, you can probably extend that to 12 months. Should mean that by the time the DBS checks have been done the National Service period will have expired.  As a "Boomer", I might be too young to have done National Service, but I am the son of someone who got sent to be shot at and bombed in Korea during his time. I know what his view was about National Service and I don't see any reason to disagree with him that it is all a load of bollocks! It might play to Farage and his supporters (I assume all the old "retired Majors of Tunbridge Wells are now pushing up daisies), but I don't see that it will make any difference to anyone who wouldn't have voted for him anyway. It is another dog whistle policy to set young against old in the hope of distracting the electorate from the real issues. |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on May 26, 2024 11:05:16 GMT
Of course 18-year-olds not in full time weekday employment will need to give up their weekend jobs to volunteer . So much for helping finance their education if they go on to higher education or find their own way in the world of work . And I thought there was a shortage of workers?
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Post by felonious on May 26, 2024 11:11:48 GMT
I’m not saying it should be manadatary but the millitary is a great career path for those with no direction in life.
It’s not all about those joining being cannon fodder. It’s a great opportunity for them to learn skills that they can take into civilian life. Additionaly it does give some much needed discipline too for those going down the wrong path. I’ve met many young people who’ve thrived after joining. Think it's worked for a fair few on here Cobs |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on May 26, 2024 11:16:42 GMT
I’m not saying it should be manadatary but the millitary is a great career path for those with no direction in life.
It’s not all about those joining being cannon fodder. It’s a great opportunity for them to learn skills that they can take into civilian life. Additionaly it does give some much needed discipline too for those going down the wrong path. I’ve met many young people who’ve thrived after joining. Think it's worked for a fair few on here Cobs I know some who’ve been in the military and I have to say there’s not many who’ve regretted their time in. The majority have loved the friendships and memories from it. I don’t get the negativity. Lots of countries still use it. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 26, 2024 11:29:39 GMT
Do we actually need a second thread discussing this?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 26, 2024 12:53:58 GMT
Do we actually need a second thread discussing this? No |
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Post by felonious on May 26, 2024 12:56:43 GMT
Do we actually need a second thread discussing this? No Where is the first thread I must have missed it |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 26, 2024 12:57:46 GMT
Where is the first thread I must have missed it You will do, it’s the election thread. |
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Post by felonious on May 26, 2024 13:11:55 GMT
Where is the first thread I must have missed it You will do, it’s the election thread. I haven't opened the General Election thread since day one is it as dull as all the other politics threads with all the usual suspects |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 26, 2024 13:20:20 GMT
Countries all over the world have some form of national service. Done properly given the current state of instability, it's sensible. Would I trust Sunak or Starmer to implement it successfully? Probably not.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 26, 2024 13:20:48 GMT
The Royal Navy have a critical staff shortage.
Press ganging people won’t solve it.
Better pay to do a job where you put your life at risk will.
Silly Tory fucks.
But they’ve always underfunded the military and cut them.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 26, 2024 13:22:08 GMT
You will do, it’s the election thread. I haven't opened the General Election thread since day one is it as dull as all the other politics threads with all the usual suspects As I’ve said before and been lambasted about, politics needs its own section. Now then, where’s that tin hat?🤔 |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on May 26, 2024 13:35:09 GMT
Its not a bad idea but it needs to be backdated in my opinion as we have swathes of older people who never had the opportunity and could benefit greatly from it. I'd start with those below retirement age and give them the option of military service or volunteering a weekend a month and slowly work your way down. The boomers are the most patriotic generation the uk has ever seen, it would only be fair if they got the chance to experience such pride in my opinion. Bring it on. I reckon some of us 'boomers' are a damn sight fitter than most pampered whining millenials I come across. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 26, 2024 13:35:16 GMT
I haven't opened the General Election thread since day one is it as dull as all the other politics threads with all the usual suspects As I’ve said before and been lambasted about, politics needs its own section. Now then, where’s that tin hat?🤔 Yeah i think youre right mate. Have one thread for all politics crap. |
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Post by Gawa on May 26, 2024 13:45:27 GMT
See tbh, the volunteering aspect actually has potential to be something beneficial but unfortunately the implementation would be for the benefit of the few rather than the many.
Probably have us all "volunteering" for Amazon, tesco or some other private corporation. Or they'd cut nhs numbers further and expect volunteers to keep it going.
Instead we should normalise a 4 day working week with day 5 for people to get involved with community based projects. Working in food kitchens, cleaning Green spaces, helping elderly people, restoring/fixing public buildings, running community fitness programmes, building social housing, fixing potholes etc. That's how you build pride and community while also reducing council expenditure so they can invest.
Forcing the youngest in society to fight wars and give up their free team to be slaves to the wealthiest of society isn't the way.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 26, 2024 13:47:26 GMT
You will do, it’s the election thread. I haven't opened the General Election thread since day one is it as dull as all the other politics threads with all the usual suspects To be fair, the last few pages of it have been pretty much focused on this very topic. I read through it earlier and then immediately came across this one, which was just a repetition of the points people had already made. |
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