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Post by baconburger on May 7, 2024 14:49:27 GMT
Is this lad the dominant leader we’ve been desperate for since relegation? Do those players exist anymore? I can’t think of many. Ungainly stoppers who can’t play football? They’re right out of fashion.
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Post by ohbottom on May 7, 2024 14:51:18 GMT
Sounds like a posh set of kitchen scales, which I'm sure on balance he isn't. And yet we're weighing up a bid....
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on May 7, 2024 14:52:53 GMT
Do those players exist anymore? I can’t think of many. Ungainly stoppers who can’t play football? They’re right out of fashion. Our defence in the Prem was built on them
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Post by skidog on May 7, 2024 15:00:41 GMT
Sounds like a posh set of kitchen scales, which I'm sure on balance he isn't. And yet we're weighing up a bid.... Not an ounce of truth in that rumour!🙄
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Post by foxysgloves on May 7, 2024 15:03:13 GMT
And so begins an exciting summer of links to expensive highly rated players…..before we desperately sign up some over the hill last minute stop gaps.
Yes Wesley I’m talking about you.
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Post by baconburger on May 7, 2024 15:03:32 GMT
Ungainly stoppers who can’t play football? They’re right out of fashion. Our defence in the Prem was built on them We weren’t exactly on trend were we FFS.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 7, 2024 15:06:59 GMT
Our defence in the Prem was built on them We weren’t exactly on trend were we FFS. Do you need to be trendy? Or, do you just need to be successful?
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Post by baconburger on May 7, 2024 15:15:09 GMT
We weren’t exactly on trend were we FFS. Do you need to be trendy? Or, do you just need to be successful? Ah but is that actually a recipe for success. There’s nothing worth debating some fans revere that team and think recreating it is our best chance of success. I fundamentally disagree. For me that team scraped promotion and played in the prem like gatecrashers until enough people turned away from it for them to do something about it. I’d seen too much of it already then and would be no more receptive to a tribute act now.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on May 7, 2024 15:16:48 GMT
Our defence in the Prem was built on them We weren’t exactly on trend were we FFS. Which is irrelevant We came up with West Brom who were this...oh they play lovely football and Stoke don't stuff How did that work out?
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Post by cvillestokie on May 7, 2024 15:18:32 GMT
Do you need to be trendy? Or, do you just need to be successful? Ah but is that actually a recipe for success. There’s nothing worth debating some fans revere that team and think recreating it is our best chance of success. I fundamentally disagree. For me that team scraped promotion and played in the prem like gatecrashers until enough people turned away from it for them to do something about it. I’d seen too much of it already then and would be no more receptive to a tribute act now. I think that there’s an easy balance to find. You buy one defender who is good in the air and whose best attribute is defending. Then you buy another one who is tallish and likely would have been a midfielder if only he was actually as good on the ball as people hope for. Buying two of the same makes you easy to play against.
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Post by baconburger on May 7, 2024 15:24:12 GMT
We weren’t exactly on trend were we FFS. Which is irrelevant We came up with West Brom who were this...oh they play lovely football and Stoke don't stuff How did that work out? How did it work out in one particular season or on the whole? WBA got promoted numerous times we got promoted once with the joint lowest points tally for automatic promotion to the premier league. I’d guess that over the years it’s worked out fairly even on years spent in the prem but WBA had those years interspersed with cracking seasons in the championship. Tell me I’m wrong.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on May 7, 2024 15:25:24 GMT
Which is irrelevant We came up with West Brom who were this...oh they play lovely football and Stoke don't stuff How did that work out? How did it work out in one particular season or on the whole? WBA got promoted numerous times we got promoted once with the joint lowest points tally for automatic promotion to the premier league. I’d guess that over the years it’s worked out fairly even on years spent in the prem but WBA had those years interspersed with cracking seasons in the championship. Tell me I’m wrong. We spent 10 consecutive years there so didn't work too badly
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Post by baconburger on May 7, 2024 15:33:23 GMT
How did it work out in one particular season or on the whole? WBA got promoted numerous times we got promoted once with the joint lowest points tally for automatic promotion to the premier league. I’d guess that over the years it’s worked out fairly even on years spent in the prem but WBA had those years interspersed with cracking seasons in the championship. Tell me I’m wrong. We spent 10 consecutive years there so didn't work too badly Theirs is the better blueprint for promotion obviously. Ours was a better blueprint for not getting relegated. We need to get promoted only question is do you then revert to the ugly stuff in some horrible attempt to stay there or continue with the style that got you promoted and probably would again and accept your fate as it comes?
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Post by J-Roar on May 7, 2024 15:36:21 GMT
We weren’t exactly on trend were we FFS. Which is irrelevant We came up with West Brom who were this...oh they play lovely football and Stoke don't stuff How did that work out? Agreed. Going up and trying to out-football some of the best in the world is insanity. The clubs that do that are generally doomed to fail.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on May 7, 2024 15:38:22 GMT
Which is irrelevant We came up with West Brom who were this...oh they play lovely football and Stoke don't stuff How did that work out? Agreed. Going up and trying to out-football some of the best in the world is insanity. The clubs that do that are generally doomed to fail. Look at Burnley this season They seem to be conceding a goal every other week by trying to play out from the back
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Post by baconburger on May 7, 2024 15:39:23 GMT
Which is irrelevant We came up with West Brom who were this...oh they play lovely football and Stoke don't stuff How did that work out? Agreed. Going up and trying to out-football some of the best in the world is insanity. The clubs that do that are generally doomed to fail. And generally do pretty well at getting re promoted. There isn’t a prize in football that I think is worth paying the price of Pulis mentality football.
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Post by aspo365 on May 7, 2024 15:54:33 GMT
When we signed Burger wasn’t it said he is comfortable playing CB? He would certainly be able to play it out of defence better than anyone we have had for a while!
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Post by march4 on May 7, 2024 15:57:27 GMT
Our defence in the Prem was built on them We weren’t exactly on trend were we FFS. Years ahead of the rest with their tip tap garbage.
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Post by baconburger on May 7, 2024 16:00:46 GMT
We weren’t exactly on trend were we FFS. Years ahead of the rest with their tip tap garbage. Trouble is March I know you’re deluded and so do you.
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Post by J-Roar on May 7, 2024 16:18:33 GMT
Agreed. Going up and trying to out-football some of the best in the world is insanity. The clubs that do that are generally doomed to fail. And generally do pretty well at getting re promoted. There isn’t a prize in football that I think is worth paying the price of Pulis mentality football. Isn't it better to use any means necessary to stay up and build on that - which we did - than just yo yoing being too good for championship and nowhere near good enough for Premier League?
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Post by mtrstudent on May 7, 2024 16:19:07 GMT
Wages are massive - for a 3-year contract, £20k/week is the same as £3m in transfer fee.
Pretty sure our wage bill has been cut massively and if this lad's only on champ wages he could be affordable. 🤔
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Post by baconburger on May 7, 2024 16:21:59 GMT
And generally do pretty well at getting re promoted. There isn’t a prize in football that I think is worth paying the price of Pulis mentality football. Isn't it better to use any means necessary to stay up and build on that - which we did - than just yo yoing being too good for championship and nowhere near good enough for Premier League? It’s a matter of preference as to whether you want ongoing misery or not. Me and a few thousand other decided the price was too high. The last 6/7 years haven’t changed my mind one iota.
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Post by TinkerT on May 7, 2024 16:38:49 GMT
Right position wrong player.
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Post by silsdenstokie on May 7, 2024 16:44:15 GMT
Is he any good?
Charlie Cresswell, if available, a better option?
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Post by biglad180 on May 7, 2024 16:49:54 GMT
if its true premier league interest then we will be out of the running
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on May 7, 2024 16:59:00 GMT
Our defence in the Prem was built on them We weren’t exactly on trend were we FFS. Fuck snobbery. Shall I list the 10 best Centre Halves we've had since 2005-ish & we can pick out the cultured, footballing ones? We need no-nonsense, we need at least one physically imposing Centre Half, if he can play a bit, it's a bonus. If there are 2 or 3 positions we need to spend decent* money in, CH is one of them. *by our standards, I'm not advocating stupid money
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Post by clarkeda on May 7, 2024 17:22:20 GMT
Do those players exist anymore? I can’t think of many. Steve Cook is the obvious example. There must be other old warhorses like him, currently not getting regular games for teams at the lower end of the Prem, or higher end of the Championship? Lascelles.
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Post by baconburger on May 7, 2024 17:27:10 GMT
We weren’t exactly on trend were we FFS. Fuck snobbery. Shall I list the 10 best Centre Halves we've had since 2005-ish & we can pick out the cultured, footballing ones? We need no-nonsense, we need at least one physically imposing Centre Half, if he can play a bit, it's a bonus. If there are 2 or 3 positions we need to spend decent* money in, CH is one of them. *by our standards, I'm not advocating stupid money What has the CB’s we’ve had in the past got to do with anything. It’s nothing to do with snobbery. Current managers/coaches (you know the ones who select the players) don’t favour the type of player many of you pine for.
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Post by pottersrule on May 7, 2024 17:41:46 GMT
For 50 minutes. Big pre-season ahead for Burger. Needs to improve his stamina. He never lasts a game for sure.Think he needs to be more disciplined in his role when playing in central midfield.He tries to cover the whole pitch instead of the central position.Thompson is far more disciplined in that role.
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Post by mrrine on May 7, 2024 17:56:15 GMT
Is he any good? Charlie Cresswell, if available, a better option? Would love him in. You'd imagine a cheaper fee than JCS probably equivalent wages?
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