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Post by LGH87 on May 3, 2024 9:03:31 GMT
Why? We sold him for an absolute fortune that he isn’t worth. It was a great deal. Because without FFP he'd still be a Stoke player and he's country miles better than what we have. The trick is to firstly sell players at their maximum value, which with Souttar we did. Secondly is then to replace them for a much smaller fee with as good or better. That's the bit we've seriously failed with up to yet. We start getting this process right more often than wrong and we can start to look upwards, similar to the likes of Brentford and Brighton.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 3, 2024 9:08:50 GMT
Why? We sold him for an absolute fortune that he isn’t worth. It was a great deal. Because without FFP he'd still be a Stoke player and he's country miles better than what we have. I’d rather 15m than Harry Souttar tbh.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 3, 2024 9:09:01 GMT
Because without FFP he'd still be a Stoke player and he's country miles better than what we have. The trick is to firstly sell players at their maximum value, which with Souttar we did. Secondly is then to replace them for a much smaller fee with as good or better. That's the bit we've seriously failed with up to yet. We start getting this process right more often than wrong and we can start to look upwards, similar to the likes of Brentford and Brighton. Souttar has potential to kick on value wise in my opinion. But that's not my point. He could have been a lifer and legend at Stoke so 10 or 15m whatever should be irrelevant. Like Shawcross, we never needed to cash in on him. He probably wasn't ever a player who would command a massive fee but we sure got our monies worth out of him... Instead we got a selection of 3 very ordinary CBs.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 3, 2024 9:24:35 GMT
The trick is to firstly sell players at their maximum value, which with Souttar we did. Secondly is then to replace them for a much smaller fee with as good or better. That's the bit we've seriously failed with up to yet. We start getting this process right more often than wrong and we can start to look upwards, similar to the likes of Brentford and Brighton. Souttar has potential to kick on value wise in my opinion. But that's not my point. He could have been a lifer and legend at Stoke so 10 or 15m whatever should be irrelevant. Like Shawcross, we never needed to cash in on him. He probably wasn't ever a player who would command a massive fee but we sure got our monies worth out of him... Instead we got a selection of 3 very ordinary CBs. I never got the impression he was going to stay at Stoke to become a legend. He thought he was better than that.
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Post by mickstupp on May 3, 2024 9:28:26 GMT
We sold Collins for an initial £12m but there were add ons and after his transfer to Wolves I think the final figure was around £16m. Good player Collins. Shame we had to sell him when we did. I would have liked to have seen us keep him for another year.
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Post by thisisouryear on May 3, 2024 9:30:24 GMT
The funny thing is it wasn't his performances for us that bumped his value up. We can't afford him and we need players in his position here on permanent deals not loans which is what he would be. We need to build long term and a strong leader at the back is a priority and we need to invest in whoever that is first then get a player that compliments them
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Post by noustie on May 3, 2024 9:34:29 GMT
It just shows how much fashion plays a part in professional football. In a three he's perfect but when things seem to be shifting back to a back 4 then he's absolutely fucked especially if the fullbacks push up.
Classic case of not buying a player based on a couple of World Cup games.
If we're playing 4 at the back then should stay well clear for me.
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Post by mickstupp on May 3, 2024 9:42:04 GMT
It just shows how much fashion plays a part in professional football. In a three he's perfect but when things seem to be shifting back to a back 4 then he's absolutely fucked especially if the fullbacks push up. Classic case of not buying a player based on a couple of World Cup games. If we're playing 4 at the back then should stay well clear for me. I think that depends on who he’s playing alongside. He’d be fine with someone who’s a bit quicker. I don’t think he’s as slow as some make out either.
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 3, 2024 9:44:13 GMT
Because without FFP he'd still be a Stoke player and he's country miles better than what we have. The trick is to firstly sell players at their maximum value, which with Souttar we did. Secondly is then to replace them for a much smaller fee with as good or better. That's the bit we've seriously failed with up to yet. We start getting this process right more often than wrong and we can start to look upwards, similar to the likes of Brentford and Brighton. Absolutely. We've been god awful at this for a long time. For all the years in the prem wasnt Arnie our only real success story when it came to sale value? We were possibly unfortunate with Butland's injury as he could have commanded a decent fee. Selling Souttar was absolutely the right decision and whilst I'd liked to have kept Collins a bit longer we did okay out of him as well. Like its been said Souttar probably went for an inflated amount post world cup and for once its nice to have another clubs pants down over a fee. Recruitment can't always be about the here and now its got to also include some longer term thinking. I'm hoping that Junho, Burger and Million are those sorts of players that if they had a good season next year and we didn't get promoted might go for a decent return which we can reinvest.
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Post by yellowsnowman on May 3, 2024 9:45:51 GMT
Shame we had to sell him when we did. I would have liked to have seen us keep him for another year. Yeah i thought that at the time. Always rated him higher than Harry aswell. Shame we lost both, but if i could choose one id pick Nathan. I miss a decent centre half!
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 3, 2024 9:49:35 GMT
It just shows how much fashion plays a part in professional football. In a three he's perfect but when things seem to be shifting back to a back 4 then he's absolutely fucked especially if the fullbacks push up. Classic case of not buying a player based on a couple of World Cup games. If we're playing 4 at the back then should stay well clear for me. I think that depends on who he’s playing alongside. He’d be fine with someone who’s a bit quicker. I don’t think he’s as slow as some make out either. I dont think it's that he's slow as I think once he gets going he's alright I think its his lack of acceleration / sluggish turning which does it for him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 3, 2024 10:08:01 GMT
Collins was always rated as the much better player in the footballing world.
I don’t think people on social media quite understood what we had with Collins tbh. It’ll be interesting to see if he makes that step up from Brentford.
He’s still only 23 so can still reach the upper echelons of the game.
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Post by thornestein on May 3, 2024 10:12:52 GMT
Collins was always rated as the much better player in the footballing world. I don’t think people on social media quite understood what we had with Collins tbh. It’ll be interesting to see if he makes that step up from Brentford. He’s still only 23 so can still reach the upper echelons of the game. i’ve watched him when ever they’ve been on tv and he’s looked a bit dodgy tbf , he’s regressed a little , maybe that’s down to coaching or constantly changing clubs
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Post by mickstupp on May 3, 2024 10:16:38 GMT
Collins was always rated as the much better player in the footballing world. I don’t think people on social media quite understood what we had with Collins tbh. It’ll be interesting to see if he makes that step up from Brentford. He’s still only 23 so can still reach the upper echelons of the game. People understood exactly what he was. A very promising, if slightly raw, young defender. He’s not really kicked on from that either unfortunately. He’s still got time but he’s another youngster who you massively over rated.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 3, 2024 10:19:32 GMT
Collins was always rated as the much better player in the footballing world. I don’t think people on social media quite understood what we had with Collins tbh. It’ll be interesting to see if he makes that step up from Brentford. He’s still only 23 so can still reach the upper echelons of the game. People understood exactly what he was. A very promising, if slightly raw, young defender. He’s not really kicked on from that either unfortunately. He’s still got time but he’s another youngster who you massively over rated. They really didn’t and thought Souttar was better which was amusing. He’s a 23 year old playing regularly in the Premier League, you’re talking absolute shite.
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Post by LGH87 on May 3, 2024 10:24:12 GMT
Collins was always rated as the much better player in the footballing world. I don’t think people on social media quite understood what we had with Collins tbh. It’ll be interesting to see if he makes that step up from Brentford. He’s still only 23 so can still reach the upper echelons of the game. People understood exactly what he was. A very promising, if slightly raw, young defender. He’s not really kicked on from that either unfortunately. He’s still got time but he’s another youngster who you massively over rated. He's amassed Transfer fee's of what, nearly £60m already and he's only 23.
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Post by mickstupp on May 3, 2024 10:35:15 GMT
People understood exactly what he was. A very promising, if slightly raw, young defender. He’s not really kicked on from that either unfortunately. He’s still got time but he’s another youngster who you massively over rated. They really didn’t and thought Souttar was better which was amusing. He’s a 23 year old playing regularly in the Premier League, you’re talking absolute shite. I’ve never seen anyone say Souttar is better than Collins? You said he was a once in generation player and the best our club has had since Stanley Matthews! Who’s talking shite?
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Post by mickstupp on May 3, 2024 10:53:02 GMT
People understood exactly what he was. A very promising, if slightly raw, young defender. He’s not really kicked on from that either unfortunately. He’s still got time but he’s another youngster who you massively over rated. He's amassed Transfer fee's of what, nearly £40m already and he's only 23. I’m not saying for one second he’s a poor player. Far from it. I just don’t buy into the hyperbole and never have. His transfer fees have been more down to circumstances. Ourselves, Burnley and Wolves all had to sell and he was seen as a sellable asset.
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Post by biddulphchav on May 3, 2024 11:35:40 GMT
He's amassed Transfer fee's of what, nearly £40m already and he's only 23. I’m not saying for one second he’s a poor player. Far from it. I just don’t buy into the hyperbole and never have. His transfer fees have been more down to circumstances. Ourselves, Burnley and Wolves all had to sell and he was seen as a sellable asset. At the same time he was seen as a ‘saleable asset’, he was seen as a ‘buyable asset’ by someone else, to the tune of 40m quid over a few transfers. I don’t think it’s fair to say it’s because clubs wanted to move him on solely, he was in demand because he’s an excellent player for his age. I do agree he’s not progressing the way many thought he would in the early days but at one point he was being talked about as a Man Utd signing.
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Post by alic210390 on May 3, 2024 12:30:08 GMT
He'll probably go out on a seasons loan somewhere. Prefer McNally but highly likely Burnley will want him back if they're relegated. Huddersfield Centre half was impressive, can't think of his name?[/quote Are you mad you'd prefer Mcnally the guys awful
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Post by nott1 on May 3, 2024 15:55:30 GMT
Why? We sold him for an absolute fortune that he isn’t worth. It was a great deal. Because without FFP he'd still be a Stoke player and he's country miles better than what we have. That's not saying much....the guys we have are league 2 standard and we need better to get promoted and Souttar can't get a place in a promoted side!
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Post by apb1 on May 3, 2024 16:09:39 GMT
I’m not saying for one second he’s a poor player. Far from it. I just don’t buy into the hyperbole and never have. His transfer fees have been more down to circumstances. Ourselves, Burnley and Wolves all had to sell and he was seen as a sellable asset. At the same time he was seen as a ‘saleable asset’, he was seen as a ‘buyable asset’ by someone else, to the tune of 40m quid over a few transfers. I don’t think it’s fair to say it’s because clubs wanted to move him on solely, he was in demand because he’s an excellent player for his age. I do agree he’s not progressing the way many thought he would in the early days but at one point he was being talked about as a Man Utd signing. Yep, according to this www.transfermarkt.co.uk/nathan-collins/profil/spieler/469050 he's been sold three times in successive summers for 14m Euro, 24m Euro and almost 27m Euro. Cost of living rises notwithstanding, not bad.
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Post by kerouac on May 3, 2024 16:11:56 GMT
Collins was always rated as the much better player in the footballing world. I don’t think people on social media quite understood what we had with Collins tbh. It’ll be interesting to see if he makes that step up from Brentford. He’s still only 23 so can still reach the upper echelons of the game. People understood exactly what he was. A very promising, if slightly raw, young defender. He’s not really kicked on from that either unfortunately. He’s still got time but he’s another youngster who you massively over rated. Every time I’ve watched him he’s looked excellent and it’s left me wondering where we’d be if we could have kept hold of him…was never going to happen though
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Post by lordb on May 3, 2024 16:15:21 GMT
Because without FFP he'd still be a Stoke player and he's country miles better than what we have. That's not saying much....the guys we have are league 2 standard and we need better to get promoted and Souttar can't get a place in a promoted side! That's silly we have 2 or 3 players (I'm not including the kids) who are league 1 standard None are league 2 standard We don't have too many good Championship players but they OK for the level As for Souttar imo he would be a significant upgrade no chance we could get better However we can't afford him so it's moot
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Post by thornestein on May 3, 2024 16:19:38 GMT
That's not saying much....the guys we have are league 2 standard and we need better to get promoted and Souttar can't get a place in a promoted side! That's silly we have 2 or 3 players (I'm not including the kids) who are league 1 standard None are league 2 standard We don't have too many good Championship players but they OK for the level As for Souttar imo he would be a significant upgrade no chance we could get better However we can't afford him so it's moot i reckon we could get better but it would need be from abroad , but then work permit becomes an issue
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Post by lordb on May 3, 2024 16:21:03 GMT
That's silly we have 2 or 3 players (I'm not including the kids) who are league 1 standard None are league 2 standard We don't have too many good Championship players but they OK for the level As for Souttar imo he would be a significant upgrade no chance we could get better However we can't afford him so it's moot i reckon we could get better but it would need be from abroad , but then work permit becomes an issue Well if we get better would be delighted
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Post by thornestein on May 3, 2024 16:22:14 GMT
i reckon we could get better but it would need be from abroad , but then work permit becomes an issue Well if we get better would be delighted hoping jarod as something in his book
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 3, 2024 16:29:46 GMT
Because without FFP he'd still be a Stoke player and he's country miles better than what we have. That's not saying much....the guys we have are league 2 standard and we need better to get promoted and Souttar can't get a place in a promoted side! To be fair to Souttar the 2 regular CBs at Leicester are decent. Anyway all I was saying was I'd have him back over anything we currently have.
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Post by questionable on May 3, 2024 16:45:19 GMT
OK we robbed Leicester fact…
His transfer fee will be based on 4 year installments???
So why would we want him back when we’d basically be robbing ourselves of free money from Leicester.
There’s better business out there 100%
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Post by yellowsnowman on May 3, 2024 16:50:53 GMT
i reckon we could get better but it would need be from abroad , but then work permit becomes an issue Well if we get better would be delighted Theres players out there 100% as good as, if not better than Harry. Dont get the big love in for him really.
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