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Post by onionman on May 17, 2024 4:55:19 GMT
They should use AI to freeze frame it and then connect it to a 3D printer so that the whole thing can be replicated on a Subutteo pitch in the Sky studio, then get Jamie Redknapp and Graham Poll involved.
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Post by tinofspam on May 17, 2024 8:48:19 GMT
Good point. An inch or two "offside" would have no impact on the run of play......so, don't take it down to the millimeter and obsessive technicalities. Perhaps go with a small allowable distance (a foot??). But don't do that if it then becomes another delay to determine if it was a millimeter under of over a foot. So how would you do it then? The line has to be actually drawn somewhere and there’s really no good answer to this - the suggestion of only pulling it back if it’s “clear” would result in a thousand times more outrage and controversy, don’t people realise this? What constitutes (and who decides what constitutes) a “clear” offside? The very first tight offside call you’d have three blokes in the VAR room deciding not to proceed with a review because it wasn’t “clear” enough, while thousands or millions of viewers and pundits around the world get incandescent with rage because to them it “clearly” was. And we’re all back at the mercy of a couple of officials’ subjective evaluation. Better to do away with it completely. I’m not a huge fan but if it’s going to be used for offsides then a definite line which removes the subjectivity as much as possible simply has to be drawn, there’s no way around it. I agree, one persons clear will probably never be the same as another persons clear. Arsene Wenger’s (probably not the best name to mention around here😄) idea might be a way to go, but again I guess it all comes done to what people see as clear and not clear. Some may use this rule and give the attacker too much of an advantage, it’s a tough one. www.goal.com/en-gb/news/arsene-wenger-offside-rule-change-ultimate-var-solution/bltdca84a2b00dce78f#
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Post by skip on May 17, 2024 10:50:25 GMT
Without the Hyper Televisualisation (© me, just now) of football, VAR could not exist, and would not need to exist. It is utterly bogus to suggest that it is a technological intervention to improve the fairness of football. It is about the Spectacle, fabricating talking points, but in doing so, has turned 'elite' football into a pantomime on a par with wrestling, the irony of which is not lost on us, that wrestling is fixed whereas football, supposedly, is not.
Football is a spectacle sufficient in itself to not need this ridiculous failed experiment.
Sack. It. Off.
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Post by wembley4372 on May 17, 2024 11:17:58 GMT
Just don't have offside at all. We never had offside playing in the park it just didn't matter. Save var for the cheats.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 17, 2024 11:41:02 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 17, 2024 11:47:02 GMT
Not a surprise, it also limits his ability to bully and influence the officials.
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Post by wapiti on May 18, 2024 21:01:02 GMT
I recall an England vs. Germany game......not sure if it was in WC or EUROs......where England scored a goal and the referee said, "no goal". Video showed that the ball was 2-3 feet past the goal line but it bounced back out very quickly. As hard as goals can be to score, that error must have messed with the England players heads and Land of Many Germs went on to win 4-2. So.....VAR or something else to avoid that tragedy.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on May 18, 2024 21:21:27 GMT
Just don't have offside at all. We never had offside playing in the park it just didn't matter. Save var for the cheats. They did trial games in the USA without offside to see if it could work. It didn't but they introduced the 35 yard line in the NASL which did. Was a great idea
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Post by callas12 on May 19, 2024 1:58:34 GMT
I recall an England vs. Germany game......not sure if it was in WC or EUROs......where England scored a goal and the referee said, "no goal". Video showed that the ball was 2-3 feet past the goal line but it bounced back out very quickly. As hard as goals can be to score, that error must have messed with the England players heads and Land of Many Germs went on to win 4-2. So.....VAR or something else to avoid that tragedy. Was a Frank Lampard goal that wasn't given. Goal Line Technology will have sorted that one out instantly, the refs whistle will have activated signalling a goal and that would have been that, he'd have blown up and indicated the goal. The England players would have been celebrating & the Germans will have been waiting to kick off.
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Post by callas12 on May 19, 2024 2:09:34 GMT
The EFL L1 Play Off final at Wembley on Saturday afternoon between Bolton & Oxford had VAR running but you'd never have known.
The Ref and Assistants officiated the match really well but trusted their own judgement.
There was to my knowledge only a 20sec check during the 2nd half to analyse a close line call on a foul to confirm that it was a free kick as the offence was just outside the line of the penalty area instead of In the box for a penalty. The ref & linesman had called it correct in real time and the use of VAR made sense just to double check and confirm the foul location. That was literally it, a quick check by the VAR ref, no need for minutes if waiting around and no requirement for the ref to have to go and check. Decision confirmed in literally no more than 20 secs and the game continued with a free kick.
This is exactly how VAR should be used, on the odd occasion instead of every 10mins, & just to firm up a very tight decision if a key incident has occured.
The ref and officials had a great game and they clearly acted on their own instincts & judgement instead of the Premier League Refs who seem to second guess everything now and rely solely on VAR to make the important decisions for them! It's as if their afraid to make a judgement call themselves now.
Well done to the officials for that play off game yesterday, the EFL showing the so called Premier League elite how it should be done and can be used as an effective assistance tool! VAR can definitely serve a purpose but just don't lose perspective of what it's there as appears to have been done amd will prove useful.
It's use should be the exception not the rule..
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Post by sportsman on May 19, 2024 4:42:46 GMT
I’d not only keep it I’d have it in the championship. Wish we bloody had season after season getting done by biased corrupt tossers with an agenda. How many penalties should we have had last season about 12?
96% correct decisions this season with var. just get the right people using it simple
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2024 5:40:46 GMT
The EFL L1 Play Off final at Wembley on Saturday afternoon between Bolton & Oxford had VAR running but you'd never have known. The Ref and Assistants officiated the match really well but trusted their own judgement. There was to my knowledge only a 20sec check during the 2nd half to analyse a close line call on a foul to confirm that it was a free kick as the offence was just outside the line of the penalty area instead of In the box for a penalty. The ref & linesman had called it correct in real time and the use of VAR made sense just to double check and confirm the foul location. That was literally it, a quick check by the VAR ref, no need for minutes if waiting around and no requirement for the ref to have to go and check. Decision confirmed in literally no more than 20 secs and the game continued with a free kick. This is exactly how VAR should be used, on the odd occasion instead of every 10mins, & just to firm up a very tight decision if a key incident has occured. The ref and officials had a great game and they clearly acted on their own instincts & judgement instead of the Premier League Refs who seem to second guess everything now and rely solely on VAR to make the important decisions for them! It's as if their afraid to make a judgement call themselves now. Well done to the officials for that play off game yesterday, the EFL showing the so called Premier League elite how it should be done and can be used as an effective assistance tool! VAR can definitely serve a purpose but just don't lose perspective of what it's there as appears to have been done amd will prove useful. It's use should be the exception not the rule.. Bang on.
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Post by lordb on May 19, 2024 8:16:11 GMT
The EFL L1 Play Off final at Wembley on Saturday afternoon between Bolton & Oxford had VAR running but you'd never have known. The Ref and Assistants officiated the match really well but trusted their own judgement. There was to my knowledge only a 20sec check during the 2nd half to analyse a close line call on a foul to confirm that it was a free kick as the offence was just outside the line of the penalty area instead of In the box for a penalty. The ref & linesman had called it correct in real time and the use of VAR made sense just to double check and confirm the foul location. That was literally it, a quick check by the VAR ref, no need for minutes if waiting around and no requirement for the ref to have to go and check. Decision confirmed in literally no more than 20 secs and the game continued with a free kick. This is exactly how VAR should be used, on the odd occasion instead of every 10mins, & just to firm up a very tight decision if a key incident has occured. The ref and officials had a great game and they clearly acted on their own instincts & judgement instead of the Premier League Refs who seem to second guess everything now and rely solely on VAR to make the important decisions for them! It's as if their afraid to make a judgement call themselves now. Well done to the officials for that play off game yesterday, the EFL showing the so called Premier League elite how it should be done and can be used as an effective assistance tool! VAR can definitely serve a purpose but just don't lose perspective of what it's there as appears to have been done amd will prove useful. It's use should be the exception not the rule.. Really good post Watched the game, much better standard of football than the semis were, and didn't notice VAR
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Post by headsgoup on May 19, 2024 8:46:12 GMT
Completely missed a push in the back in the lead up to Oxford's seconds goal though.
VAR doesn't eliminate controversies, it just shifts them to different places.
Ultimately, there's a human being deciding if something's a foul or not, and that's always open to interpretation.
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Post by fortressbritannia on May 19, 2024 15:14:25 GMT
I like VAR though I don't agree on it being used for offside decisions.
It's flawed but it always will be in a game like football remember when we were all crying out for it about 10 years ago
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on May 19, 2024 15:29:43 GMT
Completely missed a push in the back in the lead up to Oxford's seconds goal though. VAR doesn't eliminate controversies, it just shifts them to different places. Ultimately, there's a human being deciding if something's a foul or not, and that's always open to interpretation. Wasn't enough in that Exactly what they need to clamp out Over analysing every goal Showed today that is needed as could have robbed Crawley of a whole season
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Post by nottsover60 on May 19, 2024 16:16:32 GMT
Completely missed a push in the back in the lead up to Oxford's seconds goal though. VAR doesn't eliminate controversies, it just shifts them to different places. Ultimately, there's a human being deciding if something's a foul or not, and that's always open to interpretation. Wasn't enough in that Exactly what they need to clamp out Over analysing every goal Showed today that is needed as could have robbed Crawley of a whole season Yes today was the perfect example of why VAR should stay. The only question I would have is why the Crewe player wasn't booked for bad sportsmanshipm. My initial reaction was that it had to be a penalty or why did he go down but VAR proved him to be a cheat.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on May 19, 2024 16:18:05 GMT
Wasn't enough in that Exactly what they need to clamp out Over analysing every goal Showed today that is needed as could have robbed Crawley of a whole season Yse today was the perfect example of why VAR should stay. The only question I would have is why the Crewe player wasn't booked for bad sportsmanshipm. My initial reaction was that it had to be a penalty or why did he go down but VAR proved him to be a cheat. Absolutely Blatant cheating He had the nerve to have a go at the ref
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Post by lordb on Jun 5, 2024 16:56:12 GMT
More Wolves related news Wolves proposal for the Premier League to bin VAR is expected to fail however they are going to bring in in match ref announcements
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 5, 2024 18:26:12 GMT
So how would you do it then? The line has to be actually drawn somewhere and there’s really no good answer to this - the suggestion of only pulling it back if it’s “clear” would result in a thousand times more outrage and controversy, don’t people realise this? What constitutes (and who decides what constitutes) a “clear” offside? The very first tight offside call you’d have three blokes in the VAR room deciding not to proceed with a review because it wasn’t “clear” enough, while thousands or millions of viewers and pundits around the world get incandescent with rage because to them it “clearly” was. And we’re all back at the mercy of a couple of officials’ subjective evaluation. Better to do away with it completely. I’m not a huge fan but if it’s going to be used for offsides then a definite line which removes the subjectivity as much as possible simply has to be drawn, there’s no way around it. I agree, one persons clear will probably never be the same as another persons clear. Arsene Wenger’s (probably not the best name to mention around here😄) idea might be a way to go, but again I guess it all comes done to what people see as clear and not clear. Some may use this rule and give the attacker too much of an advantage, it’s a tough one. www.goal.com/en-gb/news/arsene-wenger-offside-rule-change-ultimate-var-solution/bltdca84a2b00dce78f#Said this many times that off side should only be given if there is clear gap between players bodies. But it would have to not include arms because that would encourage attacking players to leave an arm outstretched behind in order to stay onside. For once in my life I have to agree with the whinging arsehole.
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Post by Glory Hunter on Jun 5, 2024 19:17:39 GMT
I’d not only keep it I’d have it in the championship. Wish we bloody had season after season getting done by biased corrupt tossers with an agenda. How many penalties should we have had last season about 12? 96% correct decisions this season with var. just get the right people using it simple Trouble we probably would only have scored 2 of them!
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jun 6, 2024 11:45:37 GMT
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jun 6, 2024 11:52:03 GMT
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Post by andystokey on Jun 6, 2024 12:28:19 GMT
Just seen you on BBC lunchtime in your Stoke anorak. 👍
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Post by Veritas on Jun 6, 2024 12:29:29 GMT
Just seen Malcolm in his Stoke top on BBC News👍
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Post by stokeson on Jun 6, 2024 12:34:03 GMT
Just seen Malcolm in his Stoke top on BBC News👍 Yes. Great to see Malcolm in his Stoke top doing great work for us fans.....
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jun 6, 2024 12:44:24 GMT
Mentioned before but If you look at say the Crewe play off game, VAR saved a team's season after the ref wrongly gave a penalty for a dive. Is too much at stake for human error. That was a lower league game
Look at the Spurs/Man City CL semi. Man City would have won the game with a clearly offside goal. Huge game
Needs keeping but not in the current format
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Post by LphPotter on Jun 6, 2024 12:51:33 GMT
Wolves the only club to vote in favour of removing VAR, it was the inevitable outcome unfortunately. All clubs will still moan about it next season though, as it simply will not get any better.
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Post by thepottypotter on Jun 6, 2024 12:57:28 GMT
VAR is not ruining the game. Shit refs on the pitch are.
VAR helps to make the decisions marginally less shit overall.
Let's all continue to live in the 21st century please.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 6, 2024 13:11:07 GMT
VAR is not ruining the game. Shit refs on the pitch are. VAR helps to make the decisions marginally less shit overall. Let's all continute to live in the 21st century please. VAR illustrates that so called qualified people haven't got a clue how to live in the 21st century. That's the problem. and there is a strong argument to say that VAR (in the way it is managed) has definitely made the game more shit as an experience. That evidence is clear from match going fans in surveys.
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