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Post by idle on Jun 23, 2024 22:09:01 GMT
Well, the handball rule was changed to suit VAR, trying to make it so that the ref couldn't use judgement on what is willful or not. VAR is definitely the issue. It's the same for offsides. Offsides have been spot on. At last it's been accurate and quick. It's unfortunate when it's so tight but the only way to do it in reality Yeah, I'll give you that. The offside calls have been fairly quick, and mostly correct. It's much easier to take it when they're quick and it's actually too close to call.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jun 23, 2024 22:31:13 GMT
Offsides have been spot on. At last it's been accurate and quick. It's unfortunate when it's so tight but the only way to do it in reality Yeah, I'll give you that. The offside calls have been fairly quick, and mostly correct. It's much easier to take it when they're quick and it's actually too close to call. The slo mo pen replays the biggest VAR prob for me still A slight touch can look so much more of a foul. Refs have been instructed re players going down way too easily and instigating contact. Can see why the Scotland one not given as a result of that although maybe offside as someone said as no check
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Post by citynickscfc on Jun 24, 2024 4:10:45 GMT
Funny because tonight I can't see how anyone can warn and say VAR is running the game. Every game I've watched so far VAR has complimented brilliantly. Yeah, I'm sure you hate the jocks so much you didn't think that was a blatant penalty... Absolutely brilliant, right. Absolute shite it was, as usual. Did you miss the waiting period after the winning goal? Totally ruined the moment. No I watched an entertaining game. Germany. It was brilliant and the referee was top class and used VAR correctly 👍🏼
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Post by idle on Jun 24, 2024 5:53:57 GMT
Yeah, I'm sure you hate the jocks so much you didn't think that was a blatant penalty... Absolutely brilliant, right. Absolute shite it was, as usual. Did you miss the waiting period after the winning goal? Totally ruined the moment. No I watched an entertaining game. Germany. It was brilliant and the referee was top class and used VAR correctly 👍🏼 So VAR did well for one game and you're in the hallelujah camp?
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Post by idle on Jun 24, 2024 6:06:54 GMT
Yeah, I'll give you that. The offside calls have been fairly quick, and mostly correct. It's much easier to take it when they're quick and it's actually too close to call. The slo mo pen replays the biggest VAR prob for me still A slight touch can look so much more of a foul. Refs have been instructed re players going down way too easily and instigating contact. Can see why the Scotland one not given as a result of that although maybe offside as someone said as no check There's also the inconsistency in when they look back for fouls before a goal. Sometimes it's all the way back on the other side. As one footballer said on the telly: "there's always something you could have called before a goal. Football is a physical sport." Then there's the variation on what is deemed a "clear and obvious error", and the inconsistency in "excessive use of force" (that also gets worse because of slow-mo). In sum these inconsistencies make it very difficult to understand why and when VAR should be used. It's also good to remember that VAR changes when the ref is supposed to blow the whistle. This makes PL refs worse when officiating games with no VAR, like the championship. The only thing VAR is pretty good at is the calls with a technical definition like offsides, even if it's sometimes too close to call. But the main problem will always be the time spent waiting for checks, ruining the moments of pure joy. I don't think VAR will ever get good at that.
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Post by citynickscfc on Jun 24, 2024 10:34:37 GMT
No I watched an entertaining game. Germany. It was brilliant and the referee was top class and used VAR correctly 👍🏼 So VAR did well for one game and you're in the hallelujah camp? I think I've said every game I've seen, not one game, so no. I have seen refs make a mess of VAR but I haven't seen VAR make anywhere near the same number of mistakes that used to happen. I don't buy this "mental" nonsense people spout and reminisce about. I enjoy seeing the correct decisions even if it takes a little time, no worries here. It's been really really good this tournament, again, from what I've seen 👍🏼.
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Post by idle on Jun 24, 2024 10:54:18 GMT
So VAR did well for one game and you're in the hallelujah camp? I have seen refs make a mess of VAR but I haven't seen VAR make anywhere near the same number of mistakes that used to happen. I don't buy this "mental" nonsense people spout and reminisce about. I enjoy seeing the correct decisions even if it takes a little time, no worries here. That's your preference of course, so fair play. I disagree vehemently. It's THE reason I even bother to watch. But there has been a surge of Flâneurs in recent years, so it's not surprising many don't understand "the mental". The refs makes mistakes all the time, and VAR is no different (and certainly not better IMO).
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Post by headsgoup on Jun 24, 2024 11:10:45 GMT
It makes the same mistakes, it just moves them somewhere else.
Because the rules of the game will always be in part subjective.
So half of what you see is real, and the other half chalked off outside of the moment.
Leaving supporters in some bizarre liminal space, watching the game with an emotional lag.
Trading away the passion of the sport in favour of those sat at home, who are by far the most important audience now.
For shame.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jun 24, 2024 15:55:31 GMT
So VAR did well for one game and you're in the hallelujah camp? I think I've said every game I've seen, not one game, so no. I have seen refs make a mess of VAR but I haven't seen VAR make anywhere near the same number of mistakes that used to happen. I don't buy this "mental" nonsense people spout and reminisce about. I enjoy seeing the correct decisions even if it takes a little time, no worries here. It's been really really good this tournament, again, from what I've seen 👍🏼. Yep Not one good game . The entire tournament to date. The offside technology is fine . The player in front of the keeper and Scotland pen are the only real talking points in 23 games it it? 50/50 on the offside goal personally and not a pen for me. The handball goal would never have been detected without VAR and the sound technology also
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 24, 2024 16:02:18 GMT
I think I've said every game I've seen, not one game, so no. I have seen refs make a mess of VAR but I haven't seen VAR make anywhere near the same number of mistakes that used to happen. I don't buy this "mental" nonsense people spout and reminisce about. I enjoy seeing the correct decisions even if it takes a little time, no worries here. It's been really really good this tournament, again, from what I've seen 👍🏼. Yep Not one good game . The entire tournament to date. The offside technology is fine . The player in front of the keeper and Scotland pen are the only real talking points in 23 games it it? 50/50 on the offside goal personally and not a pen for me. The handball goal would never have been detected without VAR and the sound technology also VAR seems to work reasonably well when no English officials are involved. The only time it looked dysfunctional in this tournament is when the English got their hands on it. So we have at least worked out the puzzle. The only issue has been the reluctance to use it at times. That Scottish 'pen' would have been a pen in the PL 100 times out of 100.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jun 24, 2024 16:09:07 GMT
Yep Not one good game . The entire tournament to date. The offside technology is fine . The player in front of the keeper and Scotland pen are the only real talking points in 23 games it it? 50/50 on the offside goal personally and not a pen for me. The handball goal would never have been detected without VAR and the sound technology also VAR seems to work reasonably well when no English officials are involved. The only time it looked dysfunctional in this tournament is when the English got their hands on it. So we have at least worked out the puzzle. The only issue has been the reluctance to use it at times. That Scottish 'pen' would have been a pen in the PL 100 times out of 100. They've been told to clamp down on this creating fouls and going down to easy. I think he was a victim of that as definitely put his leg in front of the defender to initiate contact. Agree re the English officials though.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 24, 2024 17:05:51 GMT
VAR seems to work reasonably well when no English officials are involved. The only time it looked dysfunctional in this tournament is when the English got their hands on it. So we have at least worked out the puzzle. The only issue has been the reluctance to use it at times. That Scottish 'pen' would have been a pen in the PL 100 times out of 100. They've been told to clamp down on this creating fouls and going down to easy. I think he was a victim of that as definitely put his leg in front of the defender to initiate contact. Agree re the English officials though. I wonder what will happen when the PL resumes though? Because its almost like they have been playing to different rules in this tournament (improved rules I would say)
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jun 24, 2024 17:23:37 GMT
They've been told to clamp down on this creating fouls and going down to easy. I think he was a victim of that as definitely put his leg in front of the defender to initiate contact. Agree re the English officials though. I wonder what will happen when the PL resumes though? Because its almost like they have been playing to different rules in this tournament (improved rules I would say) Yep 3 minute delays then a goal disallowed as a Brighton player gave an opposition player his phone number in the build up
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 26, 2024 7:04:26 GMT
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 26, 2024 22:53:36 GMT
As a comparison, I stream a lot of Liga MX because nearly every game is on free streaming on Pluto and at least two other services. (And the commentators are hilarious - I don't speak Spanish, but their sheer effort and passion is obvious) Those players play hard, but can't pass very well. I'd say it's below "Championship standard". Yet occasionally somebody strings together two or three excellent passes and produces a "worldie" goal. It's a rough league, at times bordering on physical assault. (With some gratuitous diving thrown in)
However, their VAR decisions are made lightning-quick - always in just a few seconds (Well..say a minute at most) and usually accurate. I've only seen one or two VAR calls that I thought they have blown. Also agree that many times, slow motion makes the "foul" look worse than it was. But as I said, those guys like to go after one another on the pitch. If it was "reffed" like European leagues, each team would finish with only 3 or 4 players.
And the other few games I've caught in the Argentinian league - VAR calls are made quickly as well.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 22, 2024 15:06:56 GMT
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Post by idle on Jul 22, 2024 15:32:36 GMT
We'd find out who the true stokie players are though! The "fishcake" protest comes after several games have been delayed by fans throwing tennis balls onto the pitch in protest against VAR. This has now culminated in a cancellation (or rather a postponement) of a game. We won't give up until VAR is gone. The situation in Norway is a bit special right now. There are 10 clubs have passed resolutions against VAR and 9 clubs have gone for VAR in the two topmost divisions, while 13 clubs do not have a resolution yet. So the protest is to wake the fans of the 13 (and the 9) into vote in the annual general club meetings. The Norwegian clubs have a semi-german model so that the club fans have the final say in what the club should be doing and working for/against. It's quite unprecedented, there's never been this level of cooperation between rival supporter factions before. Even supporters being traditional rivals are staying behind after games chanting that they hate VAR. I'm confident we'll get rid of VAR, hopefully in time for when my home team is promoted. It's much better going to games without VAR and letting "the mental" take full hold when we score!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 22, 2024 15:42:46 GMT
We'd find out who the true stokie players are though! The "fishcake" protest comes after several games have been delayed by fans throwing tennis balls onto the pitch in protest against VAR. This has now culminated in a cancellation (or rather a postponement) of a game. We won't give up until VAR is gone. The situation in Norway is a bit special right now. There are 10 clubs have passed resolutions against VAR and 9 clubs have gone for VAR in the two topmost divisions, while 13 clubs do not have a resolution yet. So the protest is to wake the fans of the 13 (and the 9) into vote in the annual general club meetings. The Norwegian clubs have a semi-german model so that the club fans have the final say in what the club should be doing and working for/against. It's quite unprecedented, there's never been this level of cooperation between rival supporter factions before. Even supporters being traditional rivals are staying behind after games chanting that they hate VAR. I'm confident we'll get rid of VAR, hopefully in time for when my home team is promoted. It's much better going to games without VAR and letting "the mental" take full hold when we score! Interesting, thanks.
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