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Post by st3mark on May 15, 2024 20:47:59 GMT
Although I hate VAR in the Prem, it's more because of our embarrassing clowns that are doing the job.
Whenever I watch it in international tournaments and champions league I always find it much better.
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on May 15, 2024 20:51:35 GMT
Still seeing loads of controversy on decisions and it has ruined the game as a spectacle and more importantly the spontaneous dispair and joy as a fan.
Get rid.
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Post by LphPotter on May 15, 2024 21:19:24 GMT
Unfortunately it will never get enough votes to get rid of it, they’ll end up just agreeing to promises of improvements that won’t work because it will never work.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 15, 2024 21:30:32 GMT
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Post by spiderpuss on May 15, 2024 21:33:06 GMT
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Post by adri2008 on May 15, 2024 22:53:10 GMT
I think it should be kept. The problem is how its used. It shouldn't be used for marginal offsides - just a blatant balls up. Give the VAR guys 30 seconds (at most), if it's not obvious a mistake has been made immediately then the referees decision stands.
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Post by spitthedog on May 15, 2024 22:54:06 GMT
It's taken this season for me to realise I much prefer referee's mistakes to VAR.
Referees make mistakes, players make mistakes, it should be part of the game, just accept it and move on. It was never really a problem, its just been made into a problem and now the game is just a complete mess.
It's taken so much away from the game.
Bin It.
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Post by GrahamHyde on May 15, 2024 23:34:15 GMT
That Coventry goal was the final straw for me.
Thousands of fans going absolutely nuts only for someone sitting in a room miles away to intervene and take the best moment in their lives away from them for the sake of what was a pubic hair offside at most. Pathetic.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 16, 2024 0:33:13 GMT
That Coventry goal was the final straw for me. Thousands of fans going absolutely nuts only for someone sitting in a room miles away to intervene and take the best moment in their lives away from them for the sake of what was a pubic hair offside at most. Pathetic. I sincerely hope it wasn’t the best moment in their lives 😂. I do agree with your point though.
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Post by ljc on May 16, 2024 1:04:46 GMT
I absolutely hate VAR For me it’s completely ruined the football Football is a game, players make mistakes, referees make mistakes, managers make mistakes We are human Mistakes happen Everyone out there trying to do their best should be good enough
VAR needs to be got rid of
Absolutely horrendous
Unless we replace player, refs and managers with robots then I see no place for it
Get it gone
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 16, 2024 4:16:32 GMT
"Premier League stats earlier this season showed correct decisions had increased from 82 to 96 per cent under VAR, with Tony Scholes, the Premier League's chief football officer, telling Sky Sports in February: "VAR is, and remains, a very effective tool in supporting the match officials on the pitch."
I see the main problem.... 😂
"There is a feeling among several top clubs that VAR is a help more than a hindrance, and that the focus should be on improving its application and communication with supporters, rather than scrapping it altogether."
And that's a reason to fuck it off!
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Post by sportsman on May 16, 2024 5:40:07 GMT
It will be funny if it does get scrapped, then on the first game without it there’s a blatant penalty or offside that millions watching on tv can see clearly but wolves are on the wrong end of a referee that couldn’t quite see the incident.
Cut to the studio and the pundits are saying it was obvious we could all see it 😁
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Post by werrington on May 16, 2024 5:49:09 GMT
"Premier League stats earlier this season showed correct decisions had increased from 82 to 96 per cent under VAR, with Tony Scholes, the Premier League's chief football officer, telling Sky Sports in February: "VAR is, and remains, a very effective tool in supporting the match officials on the pitch." I see the main problem.... 😂 "There is a feeling among several top clubs that VAR is a help more than a hindrance, and that the focus should be on improving its application and communication with supporters, rather than scrapping it altogether." And that's a reason to fuck it off! Brighton are the club who have benefited most from VAR
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Post by lordb on May 16, 2024 7:29:56 GMT
It will be funny if it does get scrapped, then on the first game without it there’s a blatant penalty or offside that millions watching on tv can see clearly but wolves are on the wrong end of a referee that couldn’t quite see the incident. Cut to the studio and the pundits are saying it was obvious we could all see it 😁 Rather have that than the VAR experience
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Post by skip on May 16, 2024 7:43:20 GMT
"Premier League stats earlier this season showed correct decisions had increased from 82 to 96 per cent under VAR, with Tony Scholes, the Premier League's chief football officer, telling Sky Sports in February: "VAR is, and remains, a very effective tool in supporting the match officials on the pitch." I see the main problem.... 😂 "There is a feeling among several top clubs that VAR is a help more than a hindrance, and that the focus should be on improving its application and communication with supporters, rather than scrapping it altogether." And that's a reason to fuck it off! There is absolutely no way that VAR has led to nine out of ten correct decisions. That's just bullshit. Other point to be made also that if they do scrap it (PLIBT), then there should be a further rule change to stop half the sodding team barracking the ref after a decision has been taken.
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Post by idle on May 16, 2024 7:44:57 GMT
"Premier League stats earlier this season showed correct decisions had increased from 82 to 96 per cent under VAR, with Tony Scholes, the Premier League's chief football officer, telling Sky Sports in February: "VAR is, and remains, a very effective tool in supporting the match officials on the pitch." I see the main problem.... 😂 "There is a feeling among several top clubs that VAR is a help more than a hindrance, and that the focus should be on improving its application and communication with supporters, rather than scrapping it altogether." And that's a reason to fuck it off! Brighton are the club who have benefited most from VAR Unless you look behind the numbers, whatever Tony Scholes (or any other stat) says on this matter is bollox. VAR increased the number of correct decisions? How was that counted? By the number of decisions overturned by VAR? We all know that's an infallible stat And that's not even counting the number of error sources: - the bent tele-lenses, the assessment of when the ball was struck or which body part counts as being offside in offsides - the usage of slow motion for assessing what a foul is, ignoring the reality and flow of on-field situations, especially for penalties. Contact itself IS NOT AND SHOULD NEVER BE a foul in football! - the blatant non-selection of minor decision leading to major decisions on goals the other way later on (wrong corners, throw-ins, free-kicks in midfield, etc.) And that's before the usual arguments against VAR, like the delayed emotions, lower respect for decisions due to demoting the authority of the refs, changing game rules to better suit VAR, letting situations develop instead of simply stopping due to the possibility of a VAR review (I'd be so pissed as a defender for having to chase attackers that were miles offside all the way back to my own goal just so the VAR room can look at it!)
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Post by theonlooker on May 16, 2024 7:56:25 GMT
That's another one of the reasons it needs to stay, to see ole Scholsey twisting and turning with the stats to justify it.
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Post by biddulphchav on May 16, 2024 8:57:10 GMT
Hate it in general but what really gets me is the penalty decisions. They’re reviewed in slow motion for the slightest contact which is deemed a foul and thus a penalty. It’s made diving in the box so much worse and I’d love to see the stats on penalties since it was introduced. Sometimes the cynic in me thinks that’s what the PL chiefs want - more drama and more goals.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 16, 2024 9:03:35 GMT
Completely destroying the game. Get rid of that shit ASAP.
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Post by Veritas on May 16, 2024 9:05:54 GMT
It will be funny if it does get scrapped, then on the first game without it there’s a blatant penalty or offside that millions watching on tv can see clearly but wolves are on the wrong end of a referee that couldn’t quite see the incident. Cut to the studio and the pundits are saying it was obvious we could all see it 😁 Exactly, VAR should be used as initially pitched that is to correct clear and obvious errors not spend 5 minutes to determine a players toenail was offside.
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Post by onlyonesirstan on May 16, 2024 9:06:16 GMT
I say keep VAR, but it needs changing the way it works. The offside one is the biggest problem, but will they change to say the whole body must be offside, but then we could have the situation where the back of the foot is a mm in line with defender, so not the whole body. The interpretation of the handball rule is another grey area. The interpretation of the player played for the penalty, by leaving a trailing leg. The list could be endless, but still in favour of it being kept.
As for the amount of time it takes, then stop the clock like rugby union and have a guy who stops the clock for VAR, throw wins, goal kicks, free kicks, but that's another subject.
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Post by spitthedog on May 16, 2024 9:14:06 GMT
Hate it in general but what really gets me is the penalty decisions. They’re reviewed in slow motion for the slightest contact which is deemed a foul and thus a penalty. It’s made diving in the box so much worse and I’d love to see the stats on penalties since it was introduced. Sometimes the cynic in me thinks that’s what the PL chiefs want - more drama and more goals. Players have definitely changed their habits according to VAR, they know if the cam shows slightest of touches then the pen will be given. Attacking players run at the defenders foot to get contact and then go over. In real time refs dont tend to give those in the majority of cases. Aside from the 2020/21 season, VAR's impact on the awarding of penalties has increased every season it has been in place. This also means an average of 30.4% of penalties awarded from 2019/20 – 2022/23 were done so with VAR intervention, which goes some way to explaining why there are more penalties overall. This season 106 awarded so far. 2017/18 before VAR 68 penalties awarded.
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Post by eddyclamp on May 16, 2024 9:19:28 GMT
There was a penalty last night for Newcastle when Gordon was brought down. In real time you could miss it as the referee did. The VAR did not even look at it, yet on Sky it looked clear and obvious. if it is kept in I would like to see it used on players cheating. I am in the get rid camp, even with the replays, decisions are still wrong.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 16, 2024 9:23:10 GMT
Before scrapping it totally we should be considering how it is being used. It was promoted as a way in which clear and obvious refereeing mistakes could be eradicated. The emphasis should be on 'clear and obvious'. In my opinion the on field officials should be officiating as if there is no VAR. The VAR referee should only interfere if there is a clear mistake, not millimetres offside. You could possibly allow a team one appeal per half but only when the incident is in the penalty area. If the video does not immediately show up a mistake the VAR referee should not be involve. It would also help if there was more retrospective action over dives, cheating and fouls which should be red carded.
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Post by conzdad on May 16, 2024 9:29:50 GMT
Unfortunately it will never get enough votes to get rid of it, they’ll end up just agreeing to promises of improvements that won’t work because it will never work. I think they should ask the fans to vote aswell.(But will the FA rig the vote in their favour?)
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Post by walrus on May 16, 2024 9:33:38 GMT
It’s quite sad that a sizeable majority of fans want it scrapped and an even higher percentage of match-going fans say it has affected their experience negatively (63% and 80% according to a recent survey), but the Prem clubs will almost certainly vote to keep it.
I don’t think it’s news to anyone that elite football in England has lost touch with supporters but this is a neat little demonstration of it.
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Post by J-Roar on May 16, 2024 9:35:31 GMT
I say keep VAR, but it needs changing the way it works. The offside one is the biggest problem, but will they change to say the whole body must be offside, but then we could have the situation where the back of the foot is a mm in line with defender, so not the whole body. The interpretation of the handball rule is another grey area. The interpretation of the player played for the penalty, by leaving a trailing leg. The list could be endless, but still in favour of it being kept. As for the amount of time it takes, then stop the clock like rugby union and have a guy who stops the clock for VAR, throw wins, goal kicks, free kicks, but that's another subject. Just make it clear and obvious for offsides as well. If you have to draw a line and study it for 2 mins it's not clear. The rule was put in to stop goal hangers not to get decisions right to the millimetre
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Post by J-Roar on May 16, 2024 9:36:24 GMT
It’s quite sad that a sizeable majority of fans want it scrapped and an even higher percentage of match-going fans say it has affected their experience negatively (63% and 80% according to a recent survey), but the Prem clubs will almost certainly vote to keep it. I don’t think it’s news to anyone that elite football in England has lost touch with supporters but this is a neat little demonstration of it. They want it scrapped until they benefit from it.
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Post by spitthedog on May 16, 2024 9:40:29 GMT
It’s quite sad that a sizeable majority of fans want it scrapped and an even higher percentage of match-going fans say it has affected their experience negatively (63% and 80% according to a recent survey), but the Prem clubs will almost certainly vote to keep it. I don’t think it’s news to anyone that elite football in England has lost touch with supporters but this is a neat little demonstration of it. They want it scrapped until they benefit from it. Not really, because it is a clear majority in fan's surveys, unless it's just a small minority who are benefitting from it.
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Post by idle on May 16, 2024 10:14:40 GMT
It’s quite sad that a sizeable majority of fans want it scrapped and an even higher percentage of match-going fans say it has affected their experience negatively (63% and 80% according to a recent survey), but the Prem clubs will almost certainly vote to keep it. I don’t think it’s news to anyone that elite football in England has lost touch with supporters but this is a neat little demonstration of it. They want it scrapped until they benefit from it. Only the dumb ones. My local team went from a league with VAR to the league below, and the matchday experience is soooo much better. You can actually react to what's happening on the pitch now. Even if we drew and lost the first two home games, it was fun watching football again. VAR kills the enjoyment and should be scrapped.
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