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Hoever
May 4, 2024 19:49:58 GMT
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Post by wearepremierleague on May 4, 2024 19:49:58 GMT
Rumour going around the ground today is that we’ve offered £4 million for him that’s a big out lay considering ffp and must be a big percent of our budget 7-10m they want.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 4, 2024 19:50:03 GMT
He’s a very very good footballer we’d be very lucky to get him loan or buy id love him here next season
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2024 19:50:04 GMT
His positioning and concentration are exactly why he can’t defend. He conned everyone last year with a good month and has done the same this time around. I have a monorail to sell you all…… More bollocks from the village idiot. Hoever has been pivotal in our survival this season, how can you call that conning anyone? He has been excellent over the last month or so when it really mattered. And I say this as someone who was very critical of him over winter. He’s been pivotal as to why we needed to survive. Shite for 90% of the season, scores a few goals and all is forgiven. It’s frightening how short peoples memories are. If he had played well for the previous 6/7 months his goals wouldn’t have been needed. It’s an absolute false economy.
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Post by wearepremierleague on May 4, 2024 19:50:45 GMT
Our player of the season for me by the way.
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Post by gingerninja on May 4, 2024 19:51:39 GMT
£4 million for Hoever & Cundle, maybe, but just for Hoever,pure folly.
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Post by andystokey on May 4, 2024 20:26:34 GMT
More bollocks from the village idiot. Hoever has been pivotal in our survival this season, how can you call that conning anyone? He has been excellent over the last month or so when it really mattered. And I say this as someone who was very critical of him over winter. He’s been pivotal as to why we needed to survive. Shite for 90% of the season, scores a few goals and all is forgiven. It’s frightening how short peoples memories are. If he had played well for the previous 6/7 months his goals wouldn’t have been needed. It’s an absolute false economy. Thats bollocks, you have a position and want to stick to it, I understand that, but it's becoming a cliche.A fortnight ago we had a similar exchange about Cundle and you've softened. He's had a few clangers at 21 I agree but to say he is pivotal in our battle is truly ridiculous. You can't blame him. 40 appearances suggest both managers chose him as first choice.
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Post by eddyclamp on May 4, 2024 20:34:24 GMT
He’s a very very good footballer we’d be very lucky to get him loan or buy id love him here next season But he’s not a very good full back and that’s his job.
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Post by jm on May 4, 2024 20:40:12 GMT
More bollocks from the village idiot. Hoever has been pivotal in our survival this season, how can you call that conning anyone? He has been excellent over the last month or so when it really mattered. And I say this as someone who was very critical of him over winter. He’s been pivotal as to why we needed to survive. Shite for 90% of the season, scores a few goals and all is forgiven. It’s frightening how short peoples memories are. If he had played well for the previous 6/7 months his goals wouldn’t have been needed. It’s an absolute false economy. If you can't see how good a footballer Hoever is you really are watching the wrong sport. You're absolutely clueless yet so full of opinion.
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Post by delilahwhy on May 4, 2024 20:45:49 GMT
Hes a proper player and an athlete.
He'll have a great future in the game.
The exact type of player we need if we want to be successful.
I like Junior, and I rate Gooch too. But we're talking about good back ups to a genuine talent like Hoever.
We should be going all out for him.
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Post by wearepremierleague on May 4, 2024 21:12:51 GMT
Hes a proper player and an athlete. He'll have a great future in the game. The exact type of player we need if we want to be successful. I like Junior, and I rate Gooch too. But we're talking about good back ups to a genuine talent like Hoever. We should be going all out for him. Spot on. Give me conceding a few goals over a genuinely exciting footballer to watch all day
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Hoever
May 4, 2024 21:29:47 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2024 21:29:47 GMT
He’s been pivotal as to why we needed to survive. Shite for 90% of the season, scores a few goals and all is forgiven. It’s frightening how short peoples memories are. If he had played well for the previous 6/7 months his goals wouldn’t have been needed. It’s an absolute false economy. Thats bollocks, you have a position and want to stick to it, I understand that, but it's becoming a cliche.A fortnight ago we had a similar exchange about Cundle and you've softened. He's had a few clangers at 21 I agree but to say he is pivotal in our battle is truly ridiculous. You can't blame him. 40 appearances suggest both managers chose him as first choice. It’s not though is it? Hoever has been awful for 90% of his 18 months here. The goals mask so much. You have to look through them. Why can’t you blame a defender that can’t defend? They did, one was sacked and the other struggled to get us safe. It means fuck all.
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Post by andystokey on May 4, 2024 21:35:13 GMT
Thats bollocks, you have a position and want to stick to it, I understand that, but it's becoming a cliche.A fortnight ago we had a similar exchange about Cundle and you've softened. He's had a few clangers at 21 I agree but to say he is pivotal in our battle is truly ridiculous. You can't blame him. 40 appearances suggest both managers chose him as first choice. It’s not though is it? Hoever has been awful for 90% of his 18 months here. The goals mask so much. You have to look through them. Why can’t you blame a defender that can’t defend? They did, one was sacked and the other struggled to get us safe. It means fuck all. He defends and 90% is just a random number based on nothing at all. His goals are less important to me than the fact full backs are the first players needed to push a defence up the pitch. If he had come out of the academy you'd be saying he was a fabulous fabulous player.
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Hoever
May 4, 2024 21:36:57 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2024 21:36:57 GMT
It’s not though is it? Hoever has been awful for 90% of his 18 months here. The goals mask so much. You have to look through them. Why can’t you blame a defender that can’t defend? They did, one was sacked and the other struggled to get us safe. It means fuck all. He defends and 90% is just a random number based on nothing at all. His goals are less important to me than the fact full backs are the first players needed to push a defence up the pitch. If he had come out of the academy you'd be saying he was a fabulous fabulous player. But he didn’t and he’s on 40k a week and would cost 4 million or more and doesn’t know where to stand on the football pitch.
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Hoever
May 4, 2024 21:39:37 GMT
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on May 4, 2024 21:39:37 GMT
Blows hot and cold to much to pay big money..... If the price is right, he could be a decent addition!!!
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Hoever
May 4, 2024 21:44:21 GMT
Post by pushon on May 4, 2024 21:44:21 GMT
I'd like him at Stoke but that depends what happens with Leris. We have junior and Leris who can both play wing back and right back. Arguably gooch too. I think we'll be targeting left back, centre back, striker ahead of this area It will simply come down to; 1) How much Hoever would actually cost 2) How much SS likes him I think the 2nd statement, the answer is "A lot" and therefore I don't think it will matter what options we have there, if the manager likes and wants Hoever, and is attainable, he will go for him. The problem is, I think Hoever will cost £3-4m and have sizeable wages to tackle, which casts a lot of doubts. Shame though I think he would be a fantastic signing permanently and 1 we might regret not getting when he turns out to be better than a lot of critics realise. Another problem could be is that Schumacher is not the manager.
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Post by andystokey on May 4, 2024 21:50:29 GMT
He defends and 90% is just a random number based on nothing at all. His goals are less important to me than the fact full backs are the first players needed to push a defence up the pitch. If he had come out of the academy you'd be saying he was a fabulous fabulous player. But he didn’t and he’s on 40k a week and would cost 4 million or more and doesn’t know where to stand on the football pitch. He hasn't been awful for 36 games, it's just daft mate 😀
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Post by pushon on May 4, 2024 21:56:29 GMT
Junior and Gooch should be enough on the Right. It’s the Left-back position which needs sorting first.
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Hoever
May 4, 2024 21:56:33 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2024 21:56:33 GMT
But he didn’t and he’s on 40k a week and would cost 4 million or more and doesn’t know where to stand on the football pitch. He hasn't been awful for 36 games, it's just daft mate 😀 Is that 90% of what he’s played? Sounds about right tbh. He’s had a good 4/5 games and been shit for the rest.
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Post by stokecitydom on May 4, 2024 22:16:58 GMT
He hasn't been awful for 36 games, it's just daft mate 😀 Is that 90% of what he’s played? Sounds about right tbh. He’s had a good 4/5 games and been shit for the rest. He’s been excellent for the past 7/8 games (Swansea apart where we were completely off it). He’s a real asset at this level, particularly if the defensive unit is working, plus his partnership with Manhoef has been fantastic.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 4, 2024 22:52:05 GMT
Wolves' representatives were at the game, no doubt enjoying what they saw, and it suggests they want him themselves. Could have been looking at Cundle
Really hope not, on today's performance!
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 4, 2024 23:01:31 GMT
Junior and Gooch should be enough on the Right. It’s the Left-back position which needs sorting first.
Think you've hit the nail on the head there mate.
We obviously don't have an infinite amount of money to spend in the summer and it's all very well saying that signing Hoever is a no brainer. When actually, it totally is. For me, there are far more positions in the team crying out for money to be spent on it, than right back.
By way of example, if Schumacher has a left back and a striker in his sights, which, if he's successful, leaves him with just £4 million left to spend, I wonder would most people like to see (based on the personnel that we already have currently) that money spent on Hoever of Cundle?
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Hoever
May 4, 2024 23:02:55 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2024 23:02:55 GMT
Junior and Gooch should be enough on the Right. It’s the Left-back position which needs sorting first. Think you've hit the nail on the head there mate. We obviously don't have an infinite amount of money to spend in the summer and it's all very well saying that signing Hoever is a no brainer. When actually, it totally is. For me, there are far more positions in the team crying out for money to be spent on it, than right back. By way of example, if Schumacher has a left back and a striker in his sights, which, if he's successful, leaves him with just £4 million left to spend, I wonder would most people like to see (based on the personnel that we already have currently) that money spent on Hoever of Cundle? 2 centre halves 🤣
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 4, 2024 23:08:43 GMT
Think you've hit the nail on the head there mate. We obviously don't have an infinite amount of money to spend in the summer and it's all very well saying that signing Hoever is a no brainer. When actually, it totally is. For me, there are far more positions in the team crying out for money to be spent on it, than right back. By way of example, if Schumacher has a left back and a striker in his sights, which, if he's successful, leaves him with just £4 million left to spend, I wonder would most people like to see (based on the personnel that we already have currently) that money spent on Hoever of Cundle? 2 centre halves 🤣
Indeed.
That's exactly the point I'm making, if we're going to be spending (a limited amount of) money, there's positions all over the pitch that are far more critical to address, than right back at the minute.
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 1:41:00 GMT
Post by pottermost on May 5, 2024 1:41:00 GMT
I think Hoever is a the kind of defender we want if we want to pass forward. There is no reason why he cant get better at the defensive stuff, particuarly under SS and this style of football that the squad enjoys playing.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 5, 2024 6:01:45 GMT
I like Hoever but there's no team anywhere that will spend more than a couple of million on him.
It wasn't long ago that the whole ground was getting on to him during the Birmingham defeat, he was awful all through winter and then started fancying it again from spring onward.
I would take him if we can get him for a couple of million. We'd likely be looking to sell Leris in those circumstances
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Post by robwahlmann on May 5, 2024 6:12:13 GMT
Blows hot and cold to much to pay big money..... If the price is right, he could be a decent addition!!! It's time to develop Junior now! Don't want Hoever as I'm sure Junior already is a better defender. We need another left back though!
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Post by thornestein on May 5, 2024 6:25:57 GMT
Blows hot and cold to much to pay big money..... If the price is right, he could be a decent addition!!! It's time to develop Junior now! Don't want Hoever as I'm sure Junior already is a better defender. We need another left back though! that’s my view also
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 6:26:23 GMT
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Post by stokefanone on May 5, 2024 6:26:23 GMT
Has cost us some points with his lack of focus at times. Needs to be better at defending, can he improve in time? I like him and fits in well with SS style of play. The worry is that to be successful you have to be strong at the back, and we have junior who will be a good player for us next season.
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 6:31:08 GMT
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Post by firfuxache on May 5, 2024 6:31:08 GMT
It will simply come down to; 1) How much Hoever would actually cost 2) How much SS likes him I think the 2nd statement, the answer is "A lot" and therefore I don't think it will matter what options we have there, if the manager likes and wants Hoever, and is attainable, he will go for him. The problem is, I think Hoever will cost £3-4m and have sizeable wages to tackle, which casts a lot of doubts. Shame though I think he would be a fantastic signing permanently and 1 we might regret not getting when he turns out to be better than a lot of critics realise. Another problem could be is that Schumacher is not the manager. Where’s Schumacher going?
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on May 5, 2024 6:36:37 GMT
Thats bollocks, you have a position and want to stick to it, I understand that, but it's becoming a cliche.A fortnight ago we had a similar exchange about Cundle and you've softened. He's had a few clangers at 21 I agree but to say he is pivotal in our battle is truly ridiculous. You can't blame him. 40 appearances suggest both managers chose him as first choice. It’s not though is it? Hoever has been awful for 90% of his 18 months here. The goals mask so much. You have to look through them. Why can’t you blame a defender that can’t defend? They did, one was sacked and the other struggled to get us safe. It means fuck all. Oh yes he’s a shit defender isn’t he? As an integral member of the defence that hasn’t conceded a goal in over FIVE hours must make him really shit? You really do talk through your arse most of the time.
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