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Hoever
May 5, 2024 17:45:08 GMT
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Post by Veritas on May 5, 2024 17:45:08 GMT
What’s their exposure on Cundle? If he’s homegrown the profit on him would cancel out the loss on Hoever and reduce their wage bill for two players that aren’t making their matchday squad anytime soon. There’s more scope than you’re seeing. Been at Wolves for 20 years so must count as home grown |
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 21:08:31 GMT
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Post by thornestein on May 5, 2024 21:08:31 GMT
again you can’t blow what is probably half our budget on one player , never mind his wages . There’s more important positions to be filled first anyway But you are just making a blind assumption on what our budget is... With Thompson being extended, Gooch and Junior being capable of covering LB, then signing Hoever could make sense with the addition of just 1 LB. We probably need to sign 2 good/decent LBs if not and considering we have struggled to find 1 good LB in 3 decades, not sure where we are finding 2 this summer... We also have 6 new loan slots, why is everyone panicking about how much cash we have to spend on permanent transfers? You could argue we need: 1x GK (Johansson) 1x RB (Hoever) 1x LB (2 if no Hoever) - Loan? 2x CB (1 loan, 1 perm) 1x CM (Cundle) 1x Striker (loan?) 2x Winger/Forward (2 Loans) So 8-9 players needed as a minimum, theoretically only 2-3 NEED to be permanent. no i’m not , we’re an average championship club that is constricted to losing 13 mil a year |
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 21:10:54 GMT
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Post by thornestein on May 5, 2024 21:10:54 GMT
FFP or rather ensuring we don't breach it Hoever fee would be nearer £4m because otherwise Wolves would have to write off as a loss re FFP They’ve wrote off far bigger losses. Both Wolves and the player would have to compromise undoubtedly but they’re both going to have to eventually anyhow. Does he want to take his chances elsewhere or come to a club he’s virtually guaranteed playing time and knows he’s valued by the club management at least if not some of its knuckle dragging fans. If you were advising him on career progress you’d be telling him it’s a no brainer a step on the road to another crack at being a premier league player. they’re borderline breaking ffp , they can’t afford let him go for less |
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 5, 2024 21:21:35 GMT
I’ve read he’s deleted all Stoke related content off his Instagram? If so, I guess that’s goodbye. Or he’s been hacked.
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Post by stokieinlondon on May 5, 2024 21:25:02 GMT
I’ve read he’s deleted all Stoke related content off his Instagram? If so, I guess that’s goodbye. Or he’s been hacked. He’s deleted everything. Not specifically Stoke stuff. |
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 21:47:11 GMT
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Post by MilanStokie on May 5, 2024 21:47:11 GMT
But you are just making a blind assumption on what our budget is... With Thompson being extended, Gooch and Junior being capable of covering LB, then signing Hoever could make sense with the addition of just 1 LB. We probably need to sign 2 good/decent LBs if not and considering we have struggled to find 1 good LB in 3 decades, not sure where we are finding 2 this summer... We also have 6 new loan slots, why is everyone panicking about how much cash we have to spend on permanent transfers? You could argue we need: 1x GK (Johansson) 1x RB (Hoever) 1x LB (2 if no Hoever) - Loan? 2x CB (1 loan, 1 perm) 1x CM (Cundle) 1x Striker (loan?) 2x Winger/Forward (2 Loans) So 8-9 players needed as a minimum, theoretically only 2-3 NEED to be permanent. no i’m not , we’re an average championship club that is constricted to losing 13 mil a year You still have no real idea what we can and cannot spend really, just like all of us. Who knew we were able to chuck 4m at manhoef? As per the other part of my post, we could theoretically get by with around 3 permanent signings, with the rest being loans. It also (obviously) depends on any potential outgoings |
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 23:15:11 GMT
Post by Jimm on May 5, 2024 23:15:11 GMT
No great loss if he doesn't come back again. Junior is the future and is actually contracted to us.
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Hoever
May 5, 2024 23:17:01 GMT
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Post by march4 on May 5, 2024 23:17:01 GMT
No great loss if he doesn't come back again. Junior is the future and is actually contracted to us. Less than 2 years between them. |
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Hoever
May 6, 2024 6:02:59 GMT
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Post by baconburger on May 6, 2024 6:02:59 GMT
They’ve wrote off far bigger losses. Both Wolves and the player would have to compromise undoubtedly but they’re both going to have to eventually anyhow. Does he want to take his chances elsewhere or come to a club he’s virtually guaranteed playing time and knows he’s valued by the club management at least if not some of its knuckle dragging fans. If you were advising him on career progress you’d be telling him it’s a no brainer a step on the road to another crack at being a premier league player. they’re borderline breaking ffp , they can’t afford let him go for less Of course they can I’ve provided a solution to that above. Any amortisation loss on Hoever could be covered by profit on Cundle in a double deal that got two players off their wage bill that aren’t going to feature for them anytime soon. That’s a few £M in FFP relief right there. |
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Post by baconburger on May 6, 2024 6:14:01 GMT
no i’m not , we’re an average championship club that is constricted to losing 13 mil a year You still have no real idea what we can and cannot spend really, just like all of us. Who knew we were able to chuck 4m at manhoef? As per the other part of my post, we could theoretically get by with around 3 permanent signings, with the rest being loans. It also (obviously) depends on any potential outgoings We didn’t chuck £4M on Manhoef the initial fee was less than that and is divided between the years of his contract for FFP purposes it will have been well under £1M on the current period. Since January we’ve now ditched 3 of the biggest earners on our wage bill (Gayle, Wesley, Campbell). We can spend just fine. |
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Hoever
May 6, 2024 11:59:03 GMT
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Post by MilanStokie on May 6, 2024 11:59:03 GMT
You still have no real idea what we can and cannot spend really, just like all of us. Who knew we were able to chuck 4m at manhoef? As per the other part of my post, we could theoretically get by with around 3 permanent signings, with the rest being loans. It also (obviously) depends on any potential outgoings We didn’t chuck £4M on Manhoef the initial fee was less than that and is divided between the years of his contract for FFP purposes it will have been well under £1M on the current period. Since January we’ve now ditched 3 of the biggest earners on our wage bill (Gayle, Wesley, Campbell). We can spend just fine. Yes I know, that was my point. I don't see why we wouldn't have money to spend and anyway I doubt we will get many permanent transfers. The manager wants to reduce the squad size and integrate more youth. I really do think we may only see a RB/LB, CB, GK AND CM as permanent, the other CB, LB, wingers and striker may very well just be loans again |
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Post by baconburger on May 6, 2024 12:35:07 GMT
We didn’t chuck £4M on Manhoef the initial fee was less than that and is divided between the years of his contract for FFP purposes it will have been well under £1M on the current period. Since January we’ve now ditched 3 of the biggest earners on our wage bill (Gayle, Wesley, Campbell). We can spend just fine. Yes I know, that was my point. I don't see why we wouldn't have money to spend and anyway I doubt we will get many permanent transfers. The manager wants to reduce the squad size and integrate more youth. I really do think we may only see a RB/LB, CB, GK AND CM as permanent, the other CB, LB, wingers and striker may very well just be loans again That will be a major mistake. We need GK CB CF that are contracted to us for the medium term. Add to that with loans and high potential speculation on young players to develop. Should be a fairly busy Summer 10 incomings minimum. There are a few I’d like to see go that might add to that further. |
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Hoever
May 6, 2024 13:11:51 GMT
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Post by misterj on May 6, 2024 13:11:51 GMT
I’m guessing the message to a few such as Vidigal and DJ will be: you can stay here & just run your contract down or you can agree to us looking for a new opportunity for you elsewhere where you might actually get game time?
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Hoever
May 6, 2024 13:13:18 GMT
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Post by thornestein on May 6, 2024 13:13:18 GMT
I’m guessing the message to a few such as Vidigal and DJ will be: you can stay here & just run your contract down or you can agree to us looking for a new opportunity for you elsewhere where you might actually get game time? [ it will be which ever earns them the most money |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 6, 2024 13:14:33 GMT
I’m guessing the message to a few such as Vidigal and DJ will be: you can stay here & just run your contract down or you can agree to us looking for a new opportunity for you elsewhere where you might actually get game time? Has Vidigal even been that bad a transfer. He cost 350k, scored some goals and been ok. For the money he’s done alright. But people aren’t judging him on that but to the early season form. For the bench he’s fine isn’t he? |
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Post by bagnallboothen on May 6, 2024 13:25:07 GMT
I’m guessing the message to a few such as Vidigal and DJ will be: you can stay here & just run your contract down or you can agree to us looking for a new opportunity for you elsewhere where you might actually get game time? Has Vidigal even been that bad a transfer. He cost 350k, scored some goals and been ok. For the money he’s done alright. But people aren’t judging him on that but to the early season form. For the bench he’s fine isn’t he? Exactly this. We can't have a squad of 11 and if he goes he'll need replacing. Hasn't played much recently due to the form of Junho and Manhoef but no reason he can't stay and play 25 games and score a few goals. For the fee that's decent. |
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Post by lordb on May 6, 2024 13:33:11 GMT
I’m guessing the message to a few such as Vidigal and DJ will be: you can stay here & just run your contract down or you can agree to us looking for a new opportunity for you elsewhere where you might actually get game time? Has Vidigal even been that bad a transfer. He cost 350k, scored some goals and been ok. For the money he’s done alright. But people aren’t judging him on that but to the early season form. For the bench he’s fine isn’t he? Plus he wasn't the key winger signing that was Cinquinho from Wolves Videgal if he stays is fine as a squad player |
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Hoever
May 6, 2024 13:44:57 GMT
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Post by yellowsnowman on May 6, 2024 13:44:57 GMT
Has Vidigal even been that bad a transfer. He cost 350k, scored some goals and been ok. For the money he’s done alright. But people aren’t judging him on that but to the early season form. For the bench he’s fine isn’t he? Plus he wasn't the key winger signing that was Cinquinho from Wolves Videgal if he stays is fine as a squad player Id sell vidigal. |
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Hoever
May 6, 2024 13:50:23 GMT
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on May 6, 2024 13:50:23 GMT
Has Vidigal even been that bad a transfer. He cost 350k, scored some goals and been ok. For the money he’s done alright. But people aren’t judging him on that but to the early season form. For the bench he’s fine isn’t he? Plus he wasn't the key winger signing that was Cinquinho from Wolves Videgal if he stays is fine as a squad player Vidigal needs to work on his strength, stamina, and positioning. he's nudged off the ball far to easily and caught out of position when weve not got the ball. Only then can we consider saying he is fine as a squad player. First 11 player or squad player you need these basic attributes, if you haven't got them your gonna be no use coming off the bench. |
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Post by jm on May 6, 2024 13:51:01 GMT
I’m guessing the message to a few such as Vidigal and DJ will be: you can stay here & just run your contract down or you can agree to us looking for a new opportunity for you elsewhere where you might actually get game time? Has Vidigal even been that bad a transfer. He cost 350k, scored some goals and been ok. For the money he’s done alright. But people aren’t judging him on that but to the early season form. For the bench he’s fine isn’t he? Yep, decent option from the bench and a few starts |
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Hoever
May 6, 2024 15:03:57 GMT
Post by MilanStokie on May 6, 2024 15:03:57 GMT
Yes I know, that was my point. I don't see why we wouldn't have money to spend and anyway I doubt we will get many permanent transfers. The manager wants to reduce the squad size and integrate more youth. I really do think we may only see a RB/LB, CB, GK AND CM as permanent, the other CB, LB, wingers and striker may very well just be loans again That will be a major mistake. We need GK CB CF that are contracted to us for the medium term. Add to that with loans and high potential speculation on young players to develop. Should be a fairly busy Summer 10 incomings minimum. There are a few I’d like to see go that might add to that further. Other than the striker, isn't that what I just said? Lol I don't fully agree with the idea that loans are bad and it's better to advance your own talent. While there are scenarios where that absolutely should be the case, if we were to turn our noses up at a quality loan prospect that may block the progression of our own player, that is short sighted. Especially considering we have produced 2-3 players so far that are Championship level or above. Hasn't SS been on record as saying he wants to reduce the size of the squad? And then integrate some youth, such as Sidibe, Tezgel, Lowe and maybe Simkin? As it stands we have 16 senior players staying beyond this season, not including the likes of Junior or Jun Ho, so I highly doubt we will be seeing 10 new players. My guess would be 8, with 4 permanent and 4 loan. |
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Hoever
May 6, 2024 15:09:26 GMT
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Post by thornestein on May 6, 2024 15:09:26 GMT
I’m guessing the message to a few such as Vidigal and DJ will be: you can stay here & just run your contract down or you can agree to us looking for a new opportunity for you elsewhere where you might actually get game time? Has Vidigal even been that bad a transfer. He cost 350k, scored some goals and been ok. For the money he’s done alright. But people aren’t judging him on that but to the early season form. For the bench he’s fine isn’t he? no |
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Hoever
May 6, 2024 15:26:35 GMT
Post by spiderpuss on May 6, 2024 15:26:35 GMT
I’ve read he’s deleted all Stoke related content off his Instagram? If so, I guess that’s goodbye. Or he’s been hacked. He’s deleted everything. Not specifically Stoke stuff. Standard procedure you'd imagine. Currently he's not a Stoke player and probably doesn't want to be fielding responses to questions/remarks about a club he no longer represents! |
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Post by MilanStokie on May 6, 2024 15:46:25 GMT
No great loss if he doesn't come back again. Junior is the future and is actually contracted to us. Sorry, but I keep seeing this constantly being said and I cannot get my head around it. Junior may well turn into a decent player, he may also struggle to get anything consistently above the Championship. We should obviously commit to turning him into the best he can be, but Hoever has more potential, way more to his game and has already proven himself at a much higher level than Junior. So if Hoever is attainable and has the potential to exceed Junior, why should we not pursue that. How does the club improve under this approach? Oi SS, dunna even think about signing a loan striker, we have Ennis to develop.... That being said, there is no reason whatsoever why both cannot continue to be a part of the squad. Junior isn't ready to play 50 games in a season at this level and both can cover multiple positions. I would be ecstatic if we were able to have both. |
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Hoever
May 7, 2024 16:16:35 GMT
Post by Miles Offside on May 7, 2024 16:16:35 GMT
Would be perfect for us (if the finances allow) on the right of a midfield 3, between Junior and Million.
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Hoever
Aug 15, 2024 13:44:07 GMT
Post by fplstokegeneral on Aug 15, 2024 13:44:07 GMT
Would an offer in the range of £3.75-4.25 million for both Cundle and Hoever be beneficial for all parties involved? The decision rests with Wolves, but delaying it could exacerbate the situation. Both players are unlikely to see significant playing time in the Premier League this season, if any. They are familiar with the team, the local environment, the training facilities, the passionate fans, the dedicated young and incredibly strong manager and the system. Their integration would be seamless and beneficial. Hopefully efforts are being made behind the scenes to facilitate this move.
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Hoever
Aug 15, 2024 13:52:11 GMT
Post by skip on Aug 15, 2024 13:52:11 GMT
Has Vidigal even been that bad a transfer. He cost 350k, scored some goals and been ok. For the money he’s done alright. But people aren’t judging him on that but to the early season form. For the bench he’s fine isn’t he? Plus he wasn't the key winger signing that was Cinquinho from Wolves Videgal if he stays is fine as a squad player Videgal feigned a shoulder injury when we were right in the shit, so for that reason, I'm out. |
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Post by linslader on Aug 15, 2024 14:10:02 GMT
Plus he wasn't the key winger signing that was Cinquinho from Wolves Videgal if he stays is fine as a squad player Videgal feigned a shoulder injury when we were right in the shit, so for that reason, I'm out. That's a bold claim Skip. How do you know? |
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Hoever
Aug 15, 2024 14:31:53 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 15, 2024 14:31:53 GMT
Would an offer in the range of £3.75-4.25 million for both Cundle and Hoever be beneficial for all parties involved? The decision rests with Wolves, but delaying it could exacerbate the situation. Both players are unlikely to see significant playing time in the Premier League this season, if any. They are familiar with the team, the local environment, the training facilities, the passionate fans, the dedicated young and incredibly strong manager and the system. Their integration would be seamless and beneficial. Hopefully efforts are being made behind the scenes to facilitate this move. Hoever is meant to be on something stupid like 40k a week isn't he? No chance we get near it and no chance he'd be worth it either. |
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Post by kerouac on Aug 15, 2024 15:24:17 GMT
I enjoyed watching him play,frustrating at times but a great footballer.
Would have been interesting to see how he’d have fared for a season under Schumacher.
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