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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 7:49:58 GMT
Both Baker and Laurant seem to be figuring heavily in pre season, yet some on here seen to think they will both be off?. Can we see them both being sold?. We can but hope. We seem closer to selling Laurent if rumours carry any weight. Looking at last nights performance I’d much rather it were Baker. I don’t think Laurent is any good in and around the opposition box but to me Baker is incapable of playing with the intensity required for the game plan. He’s also too indecisive, he’ll shape to play the ball then take another touch and try to work something else out when he’d be far better trying to execute his initial thought, just play it faster instead of trying to be Mr Safety.
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 24, 2024 7:51:57 GMT
We seem to have plenty of supporters who give a player 20 minutes at most. Unless they are homegrown. Then they get a free pass for life. He had plenty of time and didn’t show enough. He got a free pass based on 3 games. Like the manager. Like Hoever. Like Laurent. 2 of them definitely aren’t good enough. Cundle with his age could but we shouldn’t be spending a penny on him based on him showing up for 3 games in a 6 month loan. If the manager rates him and the price is right then he should buy him. He's no Thibaud but you've got to back the manager, no matter how cowardly you think he is.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 7:57:11 GMT
He had plenty of time and didn’t show enough. He got a free pass based on 3 games. Like the manager. Like Hoever. Like Laurent. 2 of them definitely aren’t good enough. Cundle with his age could but we shouldn’t be spending a penny on him based on him showing up for 3 games in a 6 month loan. If the manager rates him and the price is right then he should buy him. He's no Thibaud but you've got to back the manager, no matter how cowardly you think he is. The manager will be lucky to be here by Christmas himself with how he did last season. He’s not sadly.
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 24, 2024 7:59:10 GMT
What are the thoughts on Bocat so far?.
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 24, 2024 7:59:25 GMT
If the manager rates him and the price is right then he should buy him. He's no Thibaud but you've got to back the manager, no matter how cowardly you think he is. The manager will be lucky to be here by Christmas himself with how he did last season. He’s not sadly. If he carries on the play off form we showed from March onwards then there's a chance clubs may come sniffing but I highly doubt it.
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 24, 2024 8:03:26 GMT
Manhoef does look as if he has also bulked up over the summer, but also a bit sluggish so far in the games 🤔
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 24, 2024 8:09:32 GMT
If the manager rates him and the price is right then he should buy him. He's no Thibaud but you've got to back the manager, no matter how cowardly you think he is. The manager will be lucky to be here by Christmas himself with how he did last season. He’s not sadly. He met his brief of keeping us up after the disaster of AN. Presumably if he hits this year's target he'll survive the Christmas cull. We can't go down the route of hiring and firing at will. It's simply not sustainable and makes it impossible to progress.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 8:10:23 GMT
The manager will be lucky to be here by Christmas himself with how he did last season. He’s not sadly. If he carries on the play off form we showed from March onwards then there's a chance clubs may come sniffing but I highly doubt it. From March? We were still well and truly in the shit until Plymouth at home and only played well from then. Before that it was total dross.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 8:12:00 GMT
The manager will be lucky to be here by Christmas himself with how he did last season. He’s not sadly. He met his brief of keeping us up after the disaster of AN. Presumably if he hits this year's target he'll survive the Christmas cull. We can't go down the route of hiring and firing at will. It's simply not sustainable and makes it impossible to progress. Only just and he made it much harder than it should have been and worse for a lot of it. He was totally underwhelming.
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Post by etebojan on Jul 24, 2024 8:13:07 GMT
What are the thoughts on Bocat so far?. bit to early to tell looks busy, seems to have a decent engine on him, pretty good on the ball, seems decent defensively at the press and made some good interceptions and tackles over a couple of friendlies he's got through on goal and twice not been able to put the ball away, so seems a bit like Hoever but better defensively and not quite as clinical going forward.
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Post by emretezzy on Jul 24, 2024 8:15:06 GMT
What are the thoughts on Bocat so far?. Like playing a winger left back. Gibson needs to be back to his very best to cover that chanel. Unreal engine though and I'm sure he will be getting assists and goals.
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Post by potterpaul on Jul 24, 2024 8:16:40 GMT
Just seen Wouter Burger at Plymouth Ferry Terminal cafe. Says he’s just attended his sisters wedding in Edam having been given 48hr leave by the club. Wanted to quash any speculation that he or Bae were leaving this window and they are heavy into preparing for coming season and love being at the club. Says SJW turned the club around when Schuey was struggling after Christmas. Touched his nose in a need to know fashion when I asked about new signings this window saying there are several in the offing but would offer no more. He even paid for my coffee. I’ve just seen Harry Kane on the beach sunbathing in Cornwall tucking into a pasty steak for anyone who’s interested He spoke to me after I fought off a seagull from nicking it bare handed I asked if he was signing for Stoke He said he would love to but didn’t want to jinx us as he’s won nowt. But he did say Musiala was tempted by an offer that we made For a double swoop involving him and thomas muller. Also said that Kim min Jae was trying to force a move through to play for us also. You heard it here first when it happens Or maybe it was the twenty pints of Rattler black talking Either way I said it first or is that second 😁👍 If he didn't buy you a coffee it didn't happen
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 24, 2024 8:18:33 GMT
I’ve just seen Harry Kane on the beach sunbathing in Cornwall tucking into a pasty steak for anyone who’s interested He spoke to me after I fought off a seagull from nicking it bare handed I asked if he was signing for Stoke He said he would love to but didn’t want to jinx us as he’s won nowt. But he did say Musiala was tempted by an offer that we made For a double swoop involving him and thomas muller. Also said that Kim min Jae was trying to force a move through to play for us also. You heard it here first when it happens Or maybe it was the twenty pints of Rattler black talking Either way I said it first or is that second 😁👍 If he didn't buy you a coffee it didn't happen If it didn’t involve a Tesco and Lee trundle it didn’t happen
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 24, 2024 8:26:27 GMT
He met his brief of keeping us up after the disaster of AN. Presumably if he hits this year's target he'll survive the Christmas cull. We can't go down the route of hiring and firing at will. It's simply not sustainable and makes it impossible to progress. Only just and he made it much harder than it should have been and worse for a lot of it. He was totally underwhelming. From the Boro game until the end of the season, we picked up enough points to be considered play off form. The final 12 games: 6 wins 3 draws 3 defeats
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 8:29:23 GMT
Only just and he made it much harder than it should have been and worse for a lot of it. He was totally underwhelming. From the Boro game until the end of the season, we picked up enough points to be considered play off form. The final 12 games: 6 wins 3 draws 3 defeats So if was 3/3/3 until that Plymouth game which is just average and was better than the performances were showing. Like I said, it was 3 good games at the end of the season. And they were good but they were the exception not the rule. And that has to change.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 24, 2024 8:29:41 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 8:30:35 GMT
If he carries on the play off form we showed from March onwards then there's a chance clubs may come sniffing but I highly doubt it. From March? We were still well and truly in the shit until Plymouth at home and only played well from then. Before that it was total dross. Player pressure to play risk adverse percentage football. At least he can get rid of them. My fear was it came from his boss then he’d be on a hiding to nothing.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jul 24, 2024 8:31:20 GMT
You should know better than to use stats in an argument with Bayern.
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Jul 24, 2024 8:31:32 GMT
What are the thoughts on Bocat so far?. Like playing a winger left back. Gibson needs to be back to his very best to cover that chanel. Unreal engine though and I'm sure he will be getting assists and goals. We need an intelligent CDM if full backs bomb on like that. Unfortunately we don't have one.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 8:32:02 GMT
You should know better than to use stats in an argument with Bayern. The stats show that the last 3 games skew it. Before that it’s completely average.
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Post by delilahwhy on Jul 24, 2024 8:33:10 GMT
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jul 24, 2024 8:33:46 GMT
Not actually disagreeing, just remembering how little you like stats!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 8:36:29 GMT
Not actually disagreeing, just remembering how little you like stats! Because you can make them look like whatever you want to. I see that and see that he’s totally proven my point and those 3 games skewed what was otherwise an average effort to something it really wasn’t. Those last 3 games we were excellent and there’s no denying that but we need to see that more consistently over months for it to be a good thing for the manager here. And if it is then happy days because those 3 games were a joy to watch.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 8:37:39 GMT
You should know better than to use stats in an argument with Bayern. The stats show that the last 3 games skew it. Before that it’s completely average. And has been explained.
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 24, 2024 8:42:09 GMT
If he carries on the play off form we showed from March onwards then there's a chance clubs may come sniffing but I highly doubt it. From March? We were still well and truly in the shit until Plymouth at home and only played well from then. Before that it was total dross. Maths musn't be your strong point. From March we W6 D3 L3 from 12 games which gives W50% D25% L25% Over a 46 game season thats W23 D11 or 12 L11 or 12 so lets go W23 D11 L12 giving 80 Points which is play off form. We only really looked in the shit because of Milwall,QPR & Sheff Wed all finished just as strong as us.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 8:45:03 GMT
Like playing a winger left back. Gibson needs to be back to his very best to cover that chanel. Unreal engine though and I'm sure he will be getting assists and goals. We need an intelligent CDM if full backs bomb on like that. Unfortunately we don't have one. We have one who is as good as we’ll get at this level if we play him there instead of trying to play him as an 8 something he has never been. Only trouble is we have no 8’s capable of playing the way the HC wants his team to play other than Junho who’s playing in another position.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 24, 2024 8:48:03 GMT
You can't really quibble from March onwards...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 8:51:03 GMT
The last 3 games massively skew that though. Before that we weren’t playing well. You can absolutely quibble with it.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Jul 24, 2024 8:52:06 GMT
The most important quote in that article is this.. "There is more business to do and there will be exits for players who will need to move to secure the kind of game time they want but Stoke do not need to sell to meet Financial Fair Play constraints nor fund further arrivals."But I'm sure that saddo from Bristol City will be on again soon to show us his crayon based "maffs" to show how we're all wrong
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 24, 2024 8:55:02 GMT
Not actually disagreeing, just remembering how little you like stats! Because you can make them look like whatever you want to. I see that and see that he’s totally proven my point and those 3 games skewed what was otherwise an average effort to something it really wasn’t. Those last 3 games we were excellent and there’s no denying that but we need to see that more consistently over months for it to be a good thing for the manager here. And if it is then happy days because those 3 games were a joy to watch. Results aside we were much more enjoyable to watch once Schumacher convinced the players to pass quickly. As a player it's very difficult to take risks when the result matters so much. I'm hoping the start of the season will be exciting to watch and we get the results to convince the players it can work. Big job to turn round that safety first mentality and ludicrous to think he could have done it immediately mid season.
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