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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 8:56:10 GMT
From March? We were still well and truly in the shit until Plymouth at home and only played well from then. Before that it was total dross. Maths musn't be your strong point. From March we W6 D3 L3 from 12 games which gives W50% D25% L25% Over a 46 game season thats W23 D11 or 12 L11 or 12 so lets go W23 D11 L12 giving 80 Points which is play off form. We only really looked in the shit because of Milwall,QPR & Sheff Wed all finished just as strong as us. You’re making his point for him. There were definitive periods within the game span you’re using. The majority of it was awful but at least we picked up enough points to keep our heads above water. The last 3 were outstanding and entertaining and much like the style of football you might have expected when Schu was employed. They were literally night and day. He’s on record as saying he hated the first part of that period where he compromised his beliefs because the players weren’t buying into his methods and wanted to play that safety first shite we produced. If we wanted a pragmatic manager we should have just employed one. Schu’s style is high risk, high reward. He needs players who’ll buy into it and to get rid of the ones who don’t have the belief in that approach.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 8:58:38 GMT
Because you can make them look like whatever you want to. I see that and see that he’s totally proven my point and those 3 games skewed what was otherwise an average effort to something it really wasn’t. Those last 3 games we were excellent and there’s no denying that but we need to see that more consistently over months for it to be a good thing for the manager here. And if it is then happy days because those 3 games were a joy to watch. Results aside we were much more enjoyable to watch once Schumacher convinced the players to pass quickly. As a player it's very difficult to take risks when the result matters so much. I'm hoping the start of the season will be exciting to watch and we get the results to convince the players it can work. Big job to turn round that safety first mentality and ludicrous to think he could have done it immediately mid season. He needs to get rid of at least the most vocal of those players who were resistant. They’ll want to revert to it every time they’re under the least bit of pressure.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 24, 2024 8:58:51 GMT
The last 3 games massively skew that though. Before that we weren’t playing well. You can absolutely quibble with it. All teams have short spells when they go on a good run. It's how long they can keep it up for and how their results go when they are not playing well that influence the table. We weren't the only ones to have that little run at the end. Sheffield Wednesday and Millwall did as well. Even Huddersfield tried but peaked too early. Opposition also has a bearing.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 24, 2024 8:59:04 GMT
We looked much better in the second half because a midfield of Thompson and Baker is way too static. We need more mobile players that´s for sure. Thompson got a lot of credit after last season, but if he isn´t played as the holding midfielder he shouldn´t play. He is too slow on the ball and lacks vision to play in another position in my opinion. I´d play Burger, Sidibe and Laurent as our midfield three with our current squad. 🤔
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 24, 2024 8:59:13 GMT
You should know better than to use stats in an argument with Bayern. The stats show that the last 3 games skew it. Before that it’s completely average. So if you take out the games we played well in the stats show we didn't play as well as they do when you include the games where we played well? Which just goes to show that the the stats are wrong and you are right? Now I get why you don't like stats. You have no understanding as to how they ctually work and they keep demonstrating your opinions are wrong.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 24, 2024 9:01:27 GMT
Maths musn't be your strong point. From March we W6 D3 L3 from 12 games which gives W50% D25% L25% Over a 46 game season thats W23 D11 or 12 L11 or 12 so lets go W23 D11 L12 giving 80 Points which is play off form. We only really looked in the shit because of Milwall,QPR & Sheff Wed all finished just as strong as us. You’re making his point for him. There were definitive periods within the game span you’re using. The majority of it was awful but at least we picked up enough points to keep our heads above water. The last 3 were outstanding and entertaining and much like the style of football you might have expected when Schu was employed. They were literally night and day. He’s on record as saying he hated the first part of that period where he compromised his beliefs because the players weren’t buying into his methods and wanted to play that safety first shite we produced. If we wanted a pragmatic manager we should have just employed one. Schu’s style is high risk, high reward. He needs players who’ll buy into it and to get rid of the ones who don’t have the belief in that approach. "Majority of it was awful"? Don't agree with that at all. Played well v Boro, unexpectedly decent away at Leeds, played well and won at Preston, same at Hull, battered West Brom for an hour - al before those last 3 which were a level up. Obviously Norwich and Swansea were desperately poor though.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 9:03:15 GMT
The stats show that the last 3 games skew it. Before that it’s completely average. So if you take out the games we played well in the stats show we didn't play as well as they do when you include the games where we played well? Which just goes to show that the the stats are wrong and you are right? Now I get why you don't like stats. You have no understanding as to how they ctually work and they keep demonstrating your opinions are wrong. Stats are useful but obviously can be manipulated by those using them dictating the sample period they like.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 9:04:30 GMT
You’re making his point for him. There were definitive periods within the game span you’re using. The majority of it was awful but at least we picked up enough points to keep our heads above water. The last 3 were outstanding and entertaining and much like the style of football you might have expected when Schu was employed. They were literally night and day. He’s on record as saying he hated the first part of that period where he compromised his beliefs because the players weren’t buying into his methods and wanted to play that safety first shite we produced. If we wanted a pragmatic manager we should have just employed one. Schu’s style is high risk, high reward. He needs players who’ll buy into it and to get rid of the ones who don’t have the belief in that approach. "Majority of it was awful"? Don't agree with that at all. Played well v Boro, unexpectedly decent away at Leeds, played well and won at Preston, same at Hull, battered West Brom for an hour - al before those last 3 which were a level up. Obviously Norwich and Swansea were desperately poor though. Played well and won at Preston and Hull if you watched it on ceefax. You have to understand that in the two periods we weren’t trying to execute even similar game plans.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 24, 2024 9:06:44 GMT
"Majority of it was awful"? Don't agree with that at all. Played well v Boro, unexpectedly decent away at Leeds, played well and won at Preston, same at Hull, battered West Brom for an hour - al before those last 3 which were a level up. Obviously Norwich and Swansea were desperately poor though. Played well and won at Preston and Hull if you watched it on ceefax. Watched both games in full. I don't go into away games expecting to roll teams over like 2009 Barcelona though - and no Championship team is capable of that
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 9:08:59 GMT
Played well and won at Preston and Hull if you watched it on ceefax. Watched both games in full. I don't go into away games expecting to roll teams over like 2009 Barcelona though - and no Championship team is capable of that If the owner wanted a pragmatic HC he couldn’t have got it much wronger.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 9:11:39 GMT
The stats show that the last 3 games skew it. Before that it’s completely average. So if you take out the games we played well in the stats show we didn't play as well as they do when you include the games where we played well? Which just goes to show that the the stats are wrong and you are right? Now I get why you don't like stats. You have no understanding as to how they ctually work and they keep demonstrating your opinions are wrong. They show my opinion to be correct though 🤣🤦♂️
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Post by emretezzy on Jul 24, 2024 9:13:31 GMT
Played well and won at Preston and Hull if you watched it on ceefax. Watched both games in full. I don't go into away games expecting to roll teams over like 2009 Barcelona though - and no Championship team is capable of that I wouldn't bother FM. You'd be better off having a football chat with a Carlsberg Special Brew hero in Longton Bus Shelter. Current midfield three for me: Sidibe Burger New Signing I'd sign competition for Sidibe and x2 new signings for the competition with Burger and the 10. I'm honestly pretty sure I've seen more of Cundle than anyone in Youth Football, he's absolutely quality. He will only get better and better.
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Post by retrostoke on Jul 24, 2024 9:16:41 GMT
So if you take out the games we played well in the stats show we didn't play as well as they do when you include the games where we played well? Which just goes to show that the the stats are wrong and you are right? Now I get why you don't like stats. You have no understanding as to how they ctually work and they keep demonstrating your opinions are wrong. They show my opinion to be correct though 🤣🤦♂️ You are always correct. I don’t know why people respond to you. Precious minutes of their life wasted. Ooops there go two of mine
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 9:20:47 GMT
Watched both games in full. I don't go into away games expecting to roll teams over like 2009 Barcelona though - and no Championship team is capable of that I wouldn't bother FM. You'd be better off having a football chat with a Carlsberg Special Brew hero in Longton Bus Shelter. Current midfield three for me: Sidibe Burger New Signing I'd sign competition for Sidibe and x2 new signings for the competition with Burger and the 10. I'm honestly pretty sure I've seen more of Cundle than anyone in Youth Football, he's absolutely quality. He will only get better and better. If you’ve watched so much football how come you can’t recognise we don’t play a 10??
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 9:21:50 GMT
They show my opinion to be correct though 🤣🤦♂️ You are always correct. I don’t know why people respond to you. Precious minutes of their life wasted. Ooops there go two of mine I’m not always correct. But those stats show that the 3 games skew it massively. We were poor before that and 3 games isn’t enough to hang your hat on. I want those 3 games to be the norm but he’s got to show that from the off.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 9:26:22 GMT
You are always correct. I don’t know why people respond to you. Precious minutes of their life wasted. Ooops there go two of mine I’m not always correct. But those stats show that the 3 games skew it massively. We were poor before that and 3 games isn’t enough to hang your hat on. I want those 3 games to be the norm but he’s got to show that from the off. He can only show it with players who are capable of it and buy into it. As yet we don’t have them.
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 24, 2024 9:27:43 GMT
You are always correct. I don’t know why people respond to you. Precious minutes of their life wasted. Ooops there go two of mine I’m not always correct. But those stats show that the 3 games skew it massively. We were poor before that and 3 games isn’t enough to hang your hat on. I want those 3 games to be the norm but he’s got to show that from the off. Of course he has but it's not like the poster has picked a period within the season with shit before and after. We can only go on what happened and those 3 games that you keep saying skew it happened and we haven't played a competitive game since so until we have there's nothing wrong in saying that we can hope that sort of form we finsished the season continues.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 9:30:51 GMT
I’m not always correct. But those stats show that the 3 games skew it massively. We were poor before that and 3 games isn’t enough to hang your hat on. I want those 3 games to be the norm but he’s got to show that from the off. Of course he has but it's not like the poster has picked a period within the season with shit before and after. We can only go on what happened and those 3 games that you keep saying skew it happened and we haven't played a competitive game since so until we have there's nothing wrong in saying that we can hope that sort of form we finsished the season continues. “They’re my stats I control the sample period” Those three games are a sample period on their own and in no way similar to the period before them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 9:30:59 GMT
I’m not always correct. But those stats show that the 3 games skew it massively. We were poor before that and 3 games isn’t enough to hang your hat on. I want those 3 games to be the norm but he’s got to show that from the off. Of course he has but it's not like the poster has picked a period within the season with shit before and after. We can only go on what happened and those 3 games that you keep saying skew it happened and we haven't played a competitive game since so until we have there's nothing wrong in saying that we can hope that sort of form we finsished the season continues. You are correct and they should be treated as an anomaly. Not some moment where it all worked and it will definitely work again. And there’s not but the bigger body of evidence suggests that’s not likely to happen. Like I said yesterday. I still think we need 4 first teamers to compete for midtable. That to me seems far more realistic than some outlandish hope. I’d be happy with midtable too tbh.
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Post by delilahwhy on Jul 24, 2024 9:34:07 GMT
Welcome to the "2024 Transfer Window" thread, where you can expect inane ramblings regarding our form, post-March 2024......
The state of this fucking thread at times.
Take your utter nonsense, bollocks offline or onto a separate thread.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 9:35:25 GMT
Welcome to the "2024 Transfer Window" thread, where you can expect inane ramblings regarding our form, post-March 2024...... The state of this fucking thread at times. Take your utter nonsense, bollocks offline or onto a separate thread. It’s an organic thread where talking about players leads to other things. Why don’t people get this? 🤣🤣
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Post by TheDee51 on Jul 24, 2024 9:37:02 GMT
Welcome to the "2024 Transfer Window" thread, where you can expect inane ramblings regarding our form, post-March 2024...... The state of this fucking thread at times. Take your utter nonsense, bollocks offline or onto a separate thread. Completely agree.
Any chance of some 'Transfer News' at all, please!
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 9:37:39 GMT
Welcome to the "2024 Transfer Window" thread, where you can expect inane ramblings regarding our form, post-March 2024...... The state of this fucking thread at times. Take your utter nonsense, bollocks offline or onto a separate thread. It’s an organic thread where talking about players leads to other things. Why don’t people get this? 🤣🤣 It’s ruining OUR board 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 9:38:25 GMT
Welcome to the "2024 Transfer Window" thread, where you can expect inane ramblings regarding our form, post-March 2024...... The state of this fucking thread at times. Take your utter nonsense, bollocks offline or onto a separate thread. Completely agree.
Any chance of some 'Transfer News' at all, please!
Why if people stop talking about other things will it magically appear??
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 24, 2024 9:38:33 GMT
Of course he has but it's not like the poster has picked a period within the season with shit before and after. We can only go on what happened and those 3 games that you keep saying skew it happened and we haven't played a competitive game since so until we have there's nothing wrong in saying that we can hope that sort of form we finsished the season continues. “They’re my stats I control the sample period” Those three games are a sample period on their own and in no way similar to the period before them. You're arguing with yourself, nobody has used just those 3 games, they were on about the last 12 games of the season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 9:40:00 GMT
“They’re my stats I control the sample period” Those three games are a sample period on their own and in no way similar to the period before them. You're arguing with yourself, nobody has used just those 3 games, they were on about the last 12 games of the season. Which are skewed massively by those last 3. Which just shows what I’m saying.
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Post by TheDee51 on Jul 24, 2024 9:42:14 GMT
Completely agree. Any chance of some 'Transfer News' at all, please!
Why if people stop talking about other things will it magically appear??
Maybe because people with actual transfer news won't bother to post it in a thread where all they see is dick waving.
I'm sure there's another thread where you can bum each other about Million or Szmodics or formation or stats.
Just a thought.
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Post by thornestein on Jul 24, 2024 9:43:09 GMT
You can't really quibble from March onwards... for curiosity reasons , what would it look like if you take away the last 3 games ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 24, 2024 9:44:19 GMT
Why if people stop talking about other things will it magically appear?? Maybe because people with actual transfer news won't bother to post it in a thread where all they see is dick waving.
I'm sure there's another thread where you can bum each other about Million or Szmodics or formation or stats. Just a thought. It’s a conversation that literally developed from talking about the merits of signing a player 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by baconburger on Jul 24, 2024 9:44:56 GMT
“They’re my stats I control the sample period” Those three games are a sample period on their own and in no way similar to the period before them. You're arguing with yourself, nobody has used just those 3 games, they were on about the last 12 games of the season. I’m not arguing with myself or saying anyone is using the last three games but that they should be. You’re saying I’m choosing 12 it suits my point of view and trying to lock everyone else into that. It’s like the difference in making a fudge cake and a Victoria sponge. The fudge cake was fucking horrible but I ate it anyway. The Victoria sponge was delicious. Now I’ve got the ingredients for a fudge cake and I’m going to try to turn it into a Victoria sponge using the same method I used to make the fudge cake. You know what you should expect to end up with don’t you. A fucking fudge cake!
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