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Post by clarkeda on Jul 23, 2024 9:21:33 GMT
I give up. This is impossible. I think everyone forgets Sammy Szmodics is 28 and when he was Millions age was on loan at multiple clubs recording very little goal involvements. Yes he had an incredible season last season but I agree that Manhoef probably has more qualities than Burger and could eventually go on to be sold for a lot more. Yeah he’s bounced around and not been prolific in the lower leagues. Don’t get me wrong he had an incredible season last season, but i just can’t see a world where he repeats it.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 23, 2024 9:22:09 GMT
Everything I've seen of Alfie Devine screams FM legend not as good in real life. I'm sure he'll go on to have a good career but in the limited time I've seen him play i struggled to see anything he did well. Did OK i think at Vale. Was invisible at Plymouth. Plymouth fans didn't rate Devine at all. Vale fans loved him. Plymouth rated Ashley Phillips way more..who was also a loan from Spurs. Him and Gibson would be a very very good cb pairing.
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Post by onefatcopper on Jul 23, 2024 9:25:20 GMT
I doubt he left a list of potential targets for now or in the future, can you imagine his new employers when they ask what he has up his sleeve and he informs them nothing ! I left everything behind for Stoke to take first pick ? His contacts, statistics, scouts and player data are his bargaining chip when it comes to his terms and conditions for any future employment. He won’t have to have left a list they’ll have been discussing potential targets with him for months. Do you think he just sat in an office alone and signed players?? For every one we signed he’ll have given a presentation on the attributes of at least 4/5. He’ll have been working on new targets for this Summer before we got shot of him unfathomably but it was rumoured he didn’t particularly have any contacts or scouts and was entirely IT based and that’s what JW didn’t want or like. His work until the day he left will be pretty common knowledge amongst the management team much of it preserved in the form of presentations, reports etc. After the madness of last summer when any player with a pulse were on Stokes radar because of necessity, things resumed to normality in the new year transfer market, Dublin explained last summer we could have some hits and we could have misses with the squad assembled, and fortunately he found maybe three players that could be very important in the future of Stoke City. Roll on to this summer and Dublin has left for reasons yet to be explained ? So after a first full season at Stoke where are the results of the supposed presentations, briefings and reports ? Did Dublin see the writing on the wall with Walters appointment, if as rumoured most of Dublin’s expertise was IT based he could work anywhere in the world and fulfill his role easily. Stoke only knew what Dublin shared with them and I doubt it was intellectually protected, so it will be quite interesting to see where he turns up and who he turns up ?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 23, 2024 9:27:36 GMT
I have said it many times,Campbell's best spell was when he played along side of Fletcher,so why the hell didn't we try to replicate it?
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Post by baconburger on Jul 23, 2024 9:31:12 GMT
He really isn’t a particularly technical player. If he gets a chance to play at a higher level he’d struggle more than the other two. Manhoef goal involvement every 3 games give or take Junho every 5 games. Neither are prolific by comparison Szmodics goal involvement every 1.4 games last season. Don’t get carried away non of our attacking players are prolific. What a bizarre conclusion. Assuming technical covers touch, dribbling, passing and shooting. I can only see Bae ahead of Million on dribbling (just) and similarly Burger may have a better shot but passing similar as Million is much better at short passes around the box. Simple Manhoef gets his technique wrong far more frequently than the other two.
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Post by hd51 on Jul 23, 2024 9:35:24 GMT
What a bizarre conclusion. Assuming technical covers touch, dribbling, passing and shooting. I can only see Bae ahead of Million on dribbling (just) and similarly Burger may have a better shot but passing similar as Million is much better at short passes around the box. Simple Manhoef gets his technique wrong far more frequently than the other two. Stoke could have messi or Ronaldo and some fans would find something to slate them about. I think most of us can agree that manhoef is probably the best winger we have had since the stokalona times.
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Post by gcamoutsideboot on Jul 23, 2024 9:37:32 GMT
Blackburn signing Japanese striker Yuki Ohashi - 11 goals in 22 this season so far. Replacement for Szmodics according to Alan Nixon.
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Post by march4 on Jul 23, 2024 9:38:15 GMT
He really isn’t. Love his positivity and directness and he could end up turning us another tidy profit but technically he’s not in their league or even close to it. Interestingly in our final home match v Bristol City my Aston Villa supporting brother and nephew came along and I was bulling up both Burger & Junho as potential future Prem players. They both agreed they were good players but left the game saying Manhoef was by far and away our best player and loved his direct-ness & positivity. I get they're not footy scouts or talent spotters perse, but interesting that fans of other clubs who are currently watching good quality Prem teams and players in action chose Manhoef as their take away Stoke player of choice! Did Burger play in that game?
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Post by femark on Jul 23, 2024 9:41:09 GMT
Wherever you want. I didn't agree with getting rid of Jared but they will know all his targets down to academy kids. I doubt he left a list of potential targets for now or in the future, can you imagine his new employers when they ask what he has up his sleeve and he informs them nothing ! I left everything behind for Stoke to take first pick ? His contacts, statistics, scouts and player data are his bargaining chip when it comes to his terms and conditions for any future employment. His list of targets isnt going to be scribbled down on an A4 notepad is it? There will be detailed reports and analysis on each player that would have been compiled on SCFC servers, using SCFC software/accounts and emailed to the relevant staff.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 23, 2024 9:44:03 GMT
He won’t have to have left a list they’ll have been discussing potential targets with him for months. Do you think he just sat in an office alone and signed players?? For every one we signed he’ll have given a presentation on the attributes of at least 4/5. He’ll have been working on new targets for this Summer before we got shot of him unfathomably but it was rumoured he didn’t particularly have any contacts or scouts and was entirely IT based and that’s what JW didn’t want or like. His work until the day he left will be pretty common knowledge amongst the management team much of it preserved in the form of presentations, reports etc. After the madness of last summer when any player with a pulse were on Stokes radar because of necessity, things resumed to normality in the new year transfer market, Dublin explained last summer we could have some hits and we could have misses with the squad assembled, and fortunately he found maybe three players that could be very important in the future of Stoke City. Roll on to this summer and Dublin has left for reasons yet to be explained ? So after a first full season at Stoke where are the results of the supposed presentations, briefings and reports ? Did Dublin see the writing on the wall with Walters appointment, if as rumoured most of Dublin’s expertise was IT based he could work anywhere in the world and fulfill his role easily. Stoke only knew what Dublin shared with them and I doubt it was intellectually protected, so it will be quite interesting to see where he turns up and who he turns up ? I’m not sure what you’re trying to do, there’s absolutely no need for anyone to make JD’s case to me. The idea he was not divulging what he was working in seems pretty absurd. Once he’s given you his thoughts, reports and presentations on players he can’t take it back. There isn’t any intellectual property issues either way the data used is widely available. Intellectual property is for original thinkers there aren’t that many of them about particularly in football circles. I couldn’t be clearer I don’t like what we’ve done on that. Obviously any players he identifies as being ripe for the picking from the moment he left are his to exchange with whoever he chooses. I’m not Darnbrough I don’t think you can stop people communicating whatever form of gags you try to place on them, people talk.
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Post by scfcadams on Jul 23, 2024 9:45:14 GMT
I doubt he left a list of potential targets for now or in the future, can you imagine his new employers when they ask what he has up his sleeve and he informs them nothing ! I left everything behind for Stoke to take first pick ? His contacts, statistics, scouts and player data are his bargaining chip when it comes to his terms and conditions for any future employment. His list of targets isnt going to be scribbled down on an A4 notepad is it? There will be detailed reports and analysis on each player that would have been compiled on SCFC servers, using SCFC software/accounts and emailed to the relevant staff. There's also a big whiteboard
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Post by baconburger on Jul 23, 2024 9:45:35 GMT
Simple Manhoef gets his technique wrong far more frequently than the other two. Stoke could have messi or Ronaldo and some fans would find something to slate them about. I think most of us can agree that manhoef is probably the best winger we have had since the stokalona times. That’s it you see emotional people see anything that isn’t flattering as slating instead of just an observation.
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Post by etebojan on Jul 23, 2024 10:03:34 GMT
So Bocat was announced on 26th June it is now almost exactly 4 weeks and we haven't made any more signings...you would hope things are going to drop soon!
It's also the anniversary of Bojan signing!...
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Post by acstokie on Jul 23, 2024 10:03:36 GMT
What a bizarre conclusion. Assuming technical covers touch, dribbling, passing and shooting. I can only see Bae ahead of Million on dribbling (just) and similarly Burger may have a better shot but passing similar as Million is much better at short passes around the box. Simple Manhoef gets his technique wrong far more frequently than the other two. Burger was our best player the first half of last season, Junho the 2nd half with Manhoef in 2nd place. Burger is a great player but Junho and Manhoef get me on the edge of my seat when they get the ball, they are far more exciting players to watch. Not sure what your basis is for saying Manhoef gets his technique wrong more often that the other 2.
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Post by jwscfc22 on Jul 23, 2024 10:19:15 GMT
Simple Manhoef gets his technique wrong far more frequently than the other two. Burger was our best player the first half of last season, Junho the 2nd half with Manhoef in 2nd place. Burger is a great player but Junho and Manhoef get me on the edge of my seat when they get the ball, they are far more exciting players to watch. Not sure what your basis is for saying Manhoef gets his technique wrong more often that the other 2. burgers passing range at times is outstanding and with a more prolific attack manhoef and junho gaining confident they could all work perfectly hand in hand it would be a massive shame to lose any of them not forgetting whoever comes in has around about 2 weeks to learn the system, team mates and what the manager wants them to do.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 23, 2024 10:23:05 GMT
Simple Manhoef gets his technique wrong far more frequently than the other two. Burger was our best player the first half of last season, Junho the 2nd half with Manhoef in 2nd place. Burger is a great player but Junho and Manhoef get me on the edge of my seat when they get the ball, they are far more exciting players to watch. Not sure what your basis is for saying Manhoef gets his technique wrong more often that the other 2. Technical proficiency is absolutely nothing to do with what excites fans. What makes Manhoef exciting to watch is that he almost always tries to be positive but he gets it wrong far more often than he gets it right. For instance I’d imagine his shots on target in proportion to shots taken is pretty low but that’s because he’s positive and decisive and takes responsibility to have a pop probably more often than any other player we have. That has translated into his goal involvements per game ratio being the best. Junho’s goal involvements per game so far is pretty rubbish but most can see that technically he’s superior. Burger plays a far less exciting role and the metrics to judge him by are more extensive. Someone stated his short passing wasn’t much better than Manhoef’s that’s because he’s a deep lying midfielder, his range of passing is better than anyone at the club. He’s a deep lying midfielder who can do the ugly stuff better than anyone at the club whilst offering far more with the ball because of that. He’s not really a player like Cundle who will unlock a defence with short fast intricate passing and link up. I hope and think that Schu sees that and will play him at the base of his midfield rather than what a lot on here want for him to play further up the pitch a mistake we seem to have made with players over and over again.
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 23, 2024 10:25:26 GMT
I think everyone forgets Sammy Szmodics is 28 and when he was Millions age was on loan at multiple clubs recording very little goal involvements. Yes he had an incredible season last season but I agree that Manhoef probably has more qualities than Burger and could eventually go on to be sold for a lot more. Yeah he’s bounced around and not been prolific in the lower leagues. Don’t get me wrong he had an incredible season last season, but i just can’t see a world where he repeats it. People are just thick as mince mate, struggle to look at things with any context. If we’d had signed Szmodics last summer people would’ve been moaning at his bang average record. For some reason he caught fire last season, as a forward at Blackburn tends to do every season.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 23, 2024 10:26:26 GMT
Wheres the next Burger and Bae coming from to continue this model ? Wherever you want. I didn't agree with getting rid of Jared but they will know all his targets down to academy kids. Only for so long though as his targets either fail or go to bigger clubs. At the moment, and I realise there are still three weeks to go I am not impressed with the new head of scouting. By now you would expect any hidden gems like Burger and Bae to be linked which makes me think we are going to slug it out with other Championship teams for the signatures of home based players.
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Post by breakonthrough on Jul 23, 2024 10:26:35 GMT
Not sure if it’s already been said elsewhere etc but Ugbo is with Wednesday at their training camp so looks like he’s confirmed for them or pending. My mate is a Wednesday fan and sent me a picture also.
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Post by scfcadams on Jul 23, 2024 10:31:24 GMT
Not sure if it’s already been said elsewhere etc but Ugbo is with Wednesday at their training camp so looks like he’s confirmed for them or pending. My mate is a Wednesday fan and sent me a picture also. But, but, but we can pay more wages!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 23, 2024 10:32:28 GMT
Can't see anything about Ugbo being with Wednesday on twitter or their messageboard.
They seem very keen for him, and hopeful, but doesn't seem to have been a breakthrough as yet?
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 23, 2024 10:32:53 GMT
Wherever you want. I didn't agree with getting rid of Jared but they will know all his targets down to academy kids. I doubt he left a list of potential targets for now or in the future, can you imagine his new employers when they ask what he has up his sleeve and he informs them nothing ! I left everything behind for Stoke to take first pick ? His contacts, statistics, scouts and player data are his bargaining chip when it comes to his terms and conditions for any future employment. The lists he made for Stoke will be on our system. He was working for us, receiving a salary, not as a freelance.
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Post by etebojan on Jul 23, 2024 10:36:22 GMT
Can't see anything about Ugbo being with Wednesday on twitter or their messageboard. They seem very keen for him, and hopeful, but doesn't seem to have been a breakthrough as yet? Has anyone/ITK said we're trying to get Ugbo FM or is this just speculation?...was he one that Chopper hinted at?
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Post by baconburger on Jul 23, 2024 10:36:59 GMT
Only for so long though as his targets either fail or go to bigger clubs. At the moment, and I realise there are still three weeks to go I am not impressed with the new head of scouting. By now you would expect any hidden gems like Burger and Bae to be linked which makes me think we are going to slug it out with other Championship teams for the signatures of home based players. Not sure that's fair actually we've bought in a few highly rated young players. Whether that's got anything to do with Darnbrough I've no idea. We won't know how good they are or can be for some time yet. I'm not impressed with him either but that's because I think this secrecy mantra he's meant to have is bonkers and completely out of touch with reality.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 23, 2024 10:37:20 GMT
Jun ho and Burger both quality, are either irreplicable? If we get close to 30million for both(+ decent sell of fees). Ultimately they accounted for 5 goals and 9 assists between them. Whilst stats aren't everything and trust me I'd love be able watch Jun Ho play every week (even if for just one more season) because hes a joy to watch. If we can't fill the gaps left with 30million quid, id be shocked Agree about just watching Junho being pleasurable but I think you are underestimating his hunger to succeed. Having said he wants more goal input this season I fully expect him to be top scorer and assist provider at the end of the season if he stays here. When we signed him I think most people expected his season to be successful if he had established himself in the team by the end of the season. I doubt if anyone who saw his first few games expected him to be deserved player of the season.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 23, 2024 10:38:25 GMT
Can't see anything about Ugbo being with Wednesday on twitter or their messageboard. They seem very keen for him, and hopeful, but doesn't seem to have been a breakthrough as yet? Has anyone/ITK said we're trying to get Ugbo FM or is this just speculation?...was he one that Chopper hinted at? Yeah - said we were after a Wednesday (then corrected himself to say Troyes) striker, and it was the player's choice. And the Sheffield Star Wednesday local journo said Stoke and Brum were showing strong rival interest last week
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Post by baconburger on Jul 23, 2024 10:40:21 GMT
Has anyone/ITK said we're trying to get Ugbo FM or is this just speculation?...was he one that Chopper hinted at? Yeah - said we were after a Wednesday (then corrected himself to say Troyes) striker, and it was the player's choice. And the Sheffield Star Wednesday local journo said Stoke and Brum were showing strong rival interest last week I'm actually a bit flummoxed as to how they can compete with any package we're capable of offering if we really want him.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 23, 2024 10:42:10 GMT
He really isn’t. Love his positivity and directness and he could end up turning us another tidy profit but technically he’s not in their league or even close to it. Interestingly in our final home match v Bristol City my Aston Villa supporting brother and nephew came along and I was bulling up both Burger & Junho as potential future Prem players. They both agreed they were good players but left the game saying Manhoef was by far and away our best player and loved his direct-ness & positivity. I get they're not footy scouts or talent spotters perse, but interesting that fans of other clubs who are currently watching good quality Prem teams and players in action chose Manhoef as their take away Stoke player of choice! I think you also have to factor in his partnership with Hoever into Manhoef's success. It's no coincidence that both players played their best in the same period of the season. Having two fast players capable of scoring and cutting in down that right wing was a real threat and difficult for the opposition. On the left especially when Stevens wasn't fit, Bae had to do it all alone.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 23, 2024 10:45:23 GMT
I think everyone forgets Sammy Szmodics is 28 and when he was Millions age was on loan at multiple clubs recording very little goal involvements. Yes he had an incredible season last season but I agree that Manhoef probably has more qualities than Burger and could eventually go on to be sold for a lot more. Yeah he’s bounced around and not been prolific in the lower leagues. Don’t get me wrong he had an incredible season last season, but i just can’t see a world where he repeats it. Played a slightly different position last season though didn't he? Wasn't he pushed further forward to play a withdrawn striker role? Just what I was told, I've never watched him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2024 10:45:32 GMT
Yeah - said we were after a Wednesday (then corrected himself to say Troyes) striker, and it was the player's choice. And the Sheffield Star Wednesday local journo said Stoke and Brum were showing strong rival interest last week I'm actually a bit flummoxed as to how they can compete with any package we're capable of offering if we really want him. Maybe the issues aren't financial? Maybe the players we're talking to just aren't that impressed with the overall package we're offering? Maybe we're walking away from deals if agents are trying to spin up a Dutch auction? Or maybe there is just a lot of spin and bullshit floating around?
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