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Post by rowleyscfc on Jul 23, 2024 10:47:06 GMT
Jun ho and Burger both quality, are either irreplicable? If we get close to 30million for both(+ decent sell of fees). Ultimately they accounted for 5 goals and 9 assists between them. Whilst stats aren't everything and trust me I'd love be able watch Jun Ho play every week (even if for just one more season) because hes a joy to watch. If we can't fill the gaps left with 30million quid, id be shocked Agree about just watching Junho being pleasurable but I think you are underestimating his hunger to succeed. Having said he wants more goal input this season I fully expect him to be top scorer and assist provider at the end of the season if he stays here. When we signed him I think most people expected his season to be successful if he had established himself in the team by the end of the season. I doubt if anyone who saw his first few games expected him to be deserved player of the season. If he add's that final part to his game, he will be the best player in the league by some way. But that's still a 'If' as of now, but that being said i've got faith that he does add more goals and assists this season. I honestly think he will go right to the top, he's going have to leave for that to happen though unfortunately. I was just making the point that what he's done last season would be replaceable with 15million, his ceiling isn't easily replaceable though
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Post by etebojan on Jul 23, 2024 10:51:57 GMT
well that might put BTA talk to bed...let's hope we can get Ugbo
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 23, 2024 10:52:17 GMT
Just seen Wouter Burger at Plymouth Ferry Terminal cafe. Says he’s just attended his sisters wedding in Edam having been given 48hr leave by the club. Wanted to quash any speculation that he or Bae were leaving this window and they are heavy into preparing for coming season and love being at the club. Says SJW turned the club around when Schuey was struggling after Christmas. Touched his nose in a need to know fashion when I asked about new signings this window saying there are several in the offing but would offer no more. He even paid for my coffee.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 23, 2024 10:55:33 GMT
I'm actually a bit flummoxed as to how they can compete with any package we're capable of offering if we really want him. Maybe the issues aren't financial? Maybe the players we're talking to just aren't that impressed with the overall package we're offering? Maybe we're walking away from deals if agents are trying to spin up a Dutch auction?Or maybe there is just a lot of spin and bullshit floating around? That's certainly a concern given some of the snippets going about. I would have thought that type of thing favoured us over most of our peers.
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Post by st3mark on Jul 23, 2024 10:55:48 GMT
Just seen Wouter Burger at Plymouth Ferry Terminal cafe. Says he’s just attended his sisters wedding in Edam having been given 48hr leave by the club. Wanted to quash any speculation that he or Bae were leaving this window and they are heavy into preparing for coming season and love being at the club. Says SJW turned the club around when Schuey was struggling after Christmas. Touched his nose in a need to know fashion when I asked about new signings this window saying there are several in the offing but would offer no more. He even paid for my coffee. I take it he was happy to have his picture taken with you?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 23, 2024 10:57:49 GMT
He won’t have to have left a list they’ll have been discussing potential targets with him for months. Do you think he just sat in an office alone and signed players?? For every one we signed he’ll have given a presentation on the attributes of at least 4/5. He’ll have been working on new targets for this Summer before we got shot of him unfathomably but it was rumoured he didn’t particularly have any contacts or scouts and was entirely IT based and that’s what JW didn’t want or like. His work until the day he left will be pretty common knowledge amongst the management team much of it preserved in the form of presentations, reports etc. After the madness of last summer when any player with a pulse were on Stokes radar because of necessity, things resumed to normality in the new year transfer market, Dublin explained last summer we could have some hits and we could have misses with the squad assembled, and fortunately he found maybe three players that could be very important in the future of Stoke City. Roll on to this summer and Dublin has left for reasons yet to be explained ? So after a first full season at Stoke where are the results of the supposed presentations, briefings and reports ? Did Dublin see the writing on the wall with Walters appointment, if as rumoured most of Dublin’s expertise was IT based he could work anywhere in the world and fulfill his role easily. Stoke only knew what Dublin shared with them and I doubt it was intellectually protected, so it will be quite interesting to see where he turns up and who he turns up ? My guess- and it is purely guesswork - is that Dublin's strength is in his knowledge of the world market which adds communication and settling in to the task of getting the squad to integrate. It seems to me that both Schumacher and Walters rate squad cohesion very highly and I suspect they didn't fancy having the extra challenge that integrating a predominantly international squad would bring. We clearly aren't ruling out the overseas market but I think we will see more players based in the UK signing to make that side of things easier.
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Post by werrington on Jul 23, 2024 11:01:40 GMT
Just seen Wouter Burger at Plymouth Ferry Terminal cafe. Says he’s just attended his sisters wedding in Edam having been given 48hr leave by the club. Wanted to quash any speculation that he or Bae were leaving this window and they are heavy into preparing for coming season and love being at the club. Says SJW turned the club around when Schuey was struggling after Christmas. Touched his nose in a need to know fashion when I asked about new signings this window saying there are several in the offing but would offer no more. He even paid for my coffee. Holland via Plymouth with travel a wedding and travel back in 48hrs Yeah righto 😊
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Post by rowleyscfc on Jul 23, 2024 11:02:47 GMT
Just seen Wouter Burger at Plymouth Ferry Terminal cafe. Says he’s just attended his sisters wedding in Edam having been given 48hr leave by the club. Wanted to quash any speculation that he or Bae were leaving this window and they are heavy into preparing for coming season and love being at the club. Says SJW turned the club around when Schuey was struggling after Christmas. Touched his nose in a need to know fashion when I asked about new signings this window saying there are several in the offing but would offer no more. He even paid for my coffee. Ever thought about taking up fiction writing full time? Could almost picture it whilst reading it.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 23, 2024 11:04:48 GMT
Just seen Wouter Burger at Plymouth Ferry Terminal cafe. Says he’s just attended his sisters wedding in Edam having been given 48hr leave by the club. Wanted to quash any speculation that he or Bae were leaving this window and they are heavy into preparing for coming season and love being at the club. Says SJW turned the club around when Schuey was struggling after Christmas. Touched his nose in a need to know fashion when I asked about new signings this window saying there are several in the offing but would offer no more. He even paid for my coffee. Holland via Plymouth with travel a wedding and travel back in 48hrs Yeah righto 😊 Perhaps he's an environmentalist.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 23, 2024 11:05:37 GMT
well that might put BTA talk to bed...let's hope we can get Ugbo Southampton already planning for another Championship campaign next season! BTA looks alright but I can’t see him doing much in the Prem.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 23, 2024 11:08:43 GMT
well that might put BTA talk to bed...let's hope we can get Ugbo Southampton already planning for another Championship campaign next season! BTA looks alright but I can’t see him doing much in the Prem. Significantly better than Brown both players attributes are more athletic/physical than technical.
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Post by liathroid on Jul 23, 2024 11:08:52 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 23, 2024 11:08:55 GMT
Just seen Wouter Burger at Plymouth Ferry Terminal cafe. Says he’s just attended his sisters wedding in Edam having been given 48hr leave by the club. Wanted to quash any speculation that he or Bae were leaving this window and they are heavy into preparing for coming season and love being at the club. Says SJW turned the club around when Schuey was struggling after Christmas. Touched his nose in a need to know fashion when I asked about new signings this window saying there are several in the offing but would offer no more. He even paid for my coffee. Holland via Plymouth with travel a wedding and travel back in 48hrs Yeah righto 😊 Wedding might be in Plymouth and he's at the ferry terminal to meet guests arriving? Or the wedding is in Plymouth and he is a keen ferry spotter so has had a wander down to take in the port views 😃 Bergkamp liked ferries I believe 😆
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Post by baconburger on Jul 23, 2024 11:10:57 GMT
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Post by liathroid on Jul 23, 2024 11:15:39 GMT
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 23, 2024 11:15:47 GMT
Maybe the issues aren't financial? Maybe the players we're talking to just aren't that impressed with the overall package we're offering? Maybe we're walking away from deals if agents are trying to spin up a Dutch auction?Or maybe there is just a lot of spin and bullshit floating around? That's certainly a concern given some of the snippets going about. I would have thought that type of thing favoured us over most of our peers. Could be the opposite - clubs know we have rich owners so try to get more off us. I am a strong believer in a club putting a value on a player and refusing to pay a penny more even if it means losing them.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 23, 2024 11:17:17 GMT
Southampton already planning for another Championship campaign next season! BTA looks alright but I can’t see him doing much in the Prem. Significantly better than Brown both players attributes are more athletic/physical than technical. Brown is a solid Championship player and at best a bit part squad player in the Prem. If Soton are signing BTA to replace their main striker I think they’re looking at another relegation.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 23, 2024 11:18:38 GMT
Holland via Plymouth with travel a wedding and travel back in 48hrs Yeah righto 😊 Wedding might be in Plymouth and he's at the ferry terminal to meet guests arriving? Or the wedding is in Plymouth and he is a keen ferry spotter so has had a wander down to take in the port views 😃 Bergkamp liked ferries I believe 😆 You can get a Brittany ferry from Plymouth to several French ports which are a short car journey from Holland. Longer ferry journey than from Dover but saves the chaos round Dover at this time of year
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Post by baconburger on Jul 23, 2024 11:19:36 GMT
That's certainly a concern given some of the snippets going about. I would have thought that type of thing favoured us over most of our peers. Could be the opposite - clubs know we have rich owners so try to get more off us. I am a strong believer in a club putting a value on a player and refusing to pay a penny more even if it means losing them. Generally speaking yes but when you want and need something sometimes you have to use every advantage you can muster to get it. We took that stance last season with forwards and look at the result as barren as a cow on the way to a pet food factory.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 23, 2024 11:23:42 GMT
Significantly better than Brown both players attributes are more athletic/physical than technical. Brown is a solid Championship player and at best a bit part squad player in the Prem. If Soton are signing BTA to replace their main striker I think they’re looking at another relegation. Dunno not seen much of Che Adams recently bar the Euros in that Scotland team that was a bit like watching Stoke for much of last season. I'd say BTA is much faster and at least as strong after that things start going astray a bit. Thought the Jocks looked far better with Shankland on than Adams.
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Post by callas12 on Jul 23, 2024 11:34:55 GMT
Interestingly in our final home match v Bristol City my Aston Villa supporting brother and nephew came along and I was bulling up both Burger & Junho as potential future Prem players. They both agreed they were good players but left the game saying Manhoef was by far and away our best player and loved his direct-ness & positivity. I get they're not footy scouts or talent spotters perse, but interesting that fans of other clubs who are currently watching good quality Prem teams and players in action chose Manhoef as their take away Stoke player of choice! Did Burger play in that game? Off the bench but was at the point where he appeared to lose abit of form
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 23, 2024 11:37:27 GMT
Just seen Wouter Burger at Plymouth Ferry Terminal cafe. Says he’s just attended his sisters wedding in Edam having been given 48hr leave by the club. Wanted to quash any speculation that he or Bae were leaving this window and they are heavy into preparing for coming season and love being at the club. Says SJW turned the club around when Schuey was struggling after Christmas. Touched his nose in a need to know fashion when I asked about new signings this window saying there are several in the offing but would offer no more. He even paid for my coffee. Well you'll soon get found out if he's in Crewe tonight.
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 23, 2024 11:37:42 GMT
That's pretty good, people are stepping up their player reveal game.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 23, 2024 11:38:26 GMT
Did Burger play in that game? Off the bench but was at the point where he appeared to lose abit of form About 15 mins after he'd been out with a concussion and not rushed back due to fatigue.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jul 23, 2024 11:38:54 GMT
Just seen Wouter Burger at Plymouth Ferry Terminal cafe. Says he’s just attended his sisters wedding in Edam having been given 48hr leave by the club. Wanted to quash any speculation that he or Bae were leaving this window and they are heavy into preparing for coming season and love being at the club. Says SJW turned the club around when Schuey was struggling after Christmas. Touched his nose in a need to know fashion when I asked about new signings this window saying there are several in the offing but would offer no more. He even paid for my coffee. All the hallmarks of Premiumbetts and his Jeremie Aliadiere stories.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 23, 2024 11:41:45 GMT
Just seen Wouter Burger at Plymouth Ferry Terminal cafe. Says he’s just attended his sisters wedding in Edam having been given 48hr leave by the club. Wanted to quash any speculation that he or Bae were leaving this window and they are heavy into preparing for coming season and love being at the club. Says SJW turned the club around when Schuey was struggling after Christmas. Touched his nose in a need to know fashion when I asked about new signings this window saying there are several in the offing but would offer no more. He even paid for my coffee. I read this and thought it was Ersaurebot until I looked at the poster again.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 23, 2024 11:42:34 GMT
Just seen Wouter Burger at Plymouth Ferry Terminal cafe. Says he’s just attended his sisters wedding in Edam having been given 48hr leave by the club. Wanted to quash any speculation that he or Bae were leaving this window and they are heavy into preparing for coming season and love being at the club. Says SJW turned the club around when Schuey was struggling after Christmas. Touched his nose in a need to know fashion when I asked about new signings this window saying there are several in the offing but would offer no more. He even paid for my coffee. Well you'll soon get found out if he's in Crewe tonight. Why what is he on a bicycle?
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jul 23, 2024 11:44:44 GMT
Everything I've seen of Alfie Devine screams FM legend not as good in real life. I'm sure he'll go on to have a good career but in the limited time I've seen him play i struggled to see anything he did well. Did OK i think at Vale. Was invisible at Plymouth. Plymouth fans didn't rate Devine at all. Vale fans loved him. Plymouth rated Ashley Phillips way more..who was also a loan from Spurs. Yep, that was my understanding too. We've seen it ourselves when people have a first loan in the championship it's a tough league, look at Philogene and Delap as to showing quality but taking time to adapt.Moran at Blackburn didn't pull up any trees though 6 assists in 35 ain't too bad Maybe that will be Devine if he goes on loan again.
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Jul 23, 2024 11:54:20 GMT
Significantly better than Brown both players attributes are more athletic/physical than technical. Brown is a solid Championship player and at best a bit part squad player in the Prem. If Soton are signing BTA to replace their main striker I think they’re looking at another relegation. Surely Armstrong is their main striker, not Adams?
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 23, 2024 11:56:49 GMT
Just seen Wouter Burger at Plymouth Ferry Terminal cafe. Says he’s just attended his sisters wedding in Edam having been given 48hr leave by the club. Wanted to quash any speculation that he or Bae were leaving this window and they are heavy into preparing for coming season and love being at the club. Says SJW turned the club around when Schuey was struggling after Christmas. Touched his nose in a need to know fashion when I asked about new signings this window saying there are several in the offing but would offer no more. He even paid for my coffee. Well you'll soon get found out if he's in Crewe tonight. 3/4 hour journey from Plymouth to Crewe so not conclusively
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