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Post by baconburger on Jul 23, 2024 8:16:35 GMT
He really isn’t a particularly technical player. If he gets a chance to play at a higher level he’d struggle more than the other two. Manhoef goal involvement every 3 games give or take Junho every 5 games. Neither are prolific by comparison Szmodics goal involvement every 1.4 games last season. Don’t get carried away non of our attacking players are prolific. Mental. He’s probably 2nd or 3rd behind Bae and Mmaee (he’s a very technical player if you don’t let your opinion get in the way). 1 in 3 across a whole season is 15 goals he’d be our top scorer since we came down 😂😂 and that is coming into a struggling team with no attacking output half way through a season being thrown in the deep end and having to learn to swim, quickly. I think you’re being very very harsh. Szmodics had a great season, let’s see if he does it again before we pin up a poster. Szmodics is very unlikely to be at this level by the time the window shuts. I haven’t got a clue whether he’ll struggle at a higher level I’ve seen him about twice. Manhoef’s figures would be way less impressive if it weren’t for the two goals in the last game jamboree vs Bristol City surely you don’t think that game was typical championship a game in which both teams had nothing to win or lose. I like him, I like them all that are being discussed but I think Manhoef is the less talented footballer of the three by a good margin.
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Post by retrostoke on Jul 23, 2024 8:21:34 GMT
I have to say I did think we would have a couple more in before some of these friendlies, I guess there must be lots going on in the background, but would have been nice to see a new face before the weekend. Maybe waiting to finalise any potential departures before we pitch in. Having £12m/£15m dropped into your transfer bucket might change our targets. It’s about balancing the books after all.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 23, 2024 8:25:11 GMT
Mental. He’s probably 2nd or 3rd behind Bae and Mmaee (he’s a very technical player if you don’t let your opinion get in the way). 1 in 3 across a whole season is 15 goals he’d be our top scorer since we came down 😂😂 and that is coming into a struggling team with no attacking output half way through a season being thrown in the deep end and having to learn to swim, quickly. I think you’re being very very harsh. Szmodics had a great season, let’s see if he does it again before we pin up a poster. Szmodics is very unlikely to be at this level by the time the window shuts. I haven’t got a clue whether he’ll struggle at a higher level I’ve seen him about twice. Mangoes figures would be way less impressive if it weren’t for the two goals in the last game jamboree vs Bristol City surely you don’t think that game was typical championship a game in which both teams had nothing to win or lose. I like him, I like them all that are being discussed but I think Manhoef is the less talented footballer of the three by a good margin. You can only score v what’s In front of you. Let me come back to this with some facts later because you’re wanking off over Szmodic after one good season and I currently don’t have time to put a detailed response together. Edit: I want to preface this, I’ve never seen Smodoc play unless it was against us, and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up. He did however have an unbelievable season last year which I won’t take away from him. Szmodic has scored 38 in 117 games in the champ averaged 1/8.5 and G/A every 227 minutes equates to 2.5 which is only slightly better then Manhoef, however 27 goals, yes 27 came last year alone with 4 assists. Before that 11 goals in 73 which is 1/6.5 So you want to discredit Manhoefs 2 v Bristol which is fine. But he had a very very good half season Edit: Manhoef minute per output was better then Szmodics too at 204 minute per involvement. In SS first season in the champ he played 35 games (and 1 in L1) scored 5 (MM 4) and 2 assists (MM 1). MM missed 3 1v1 that I would back him to score too and that’s just off the top of my head. All of that in 14 games. So less then half then SS first season. Hopefully all that context provides you with enough evidence in how mental you are being.
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Post by rowleyscfc on Jul 23, 2024 8:43:08 GMT
Jun ho and Burger both quality, are either irreplicable?
If we get close to 30million for both(+ decent sell of fees).
Ultimately they accounted for 5 goals and 9 assists between them.
Whilst stats aren't everything and trust me I'd love be able watch Jun Ho play every week (even if for just one more season) because hes a joy to watch.
If we can't fill the gaps left with 30million quid, id be shocked
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Post by emretezzy on Jul 23, 2024 8:44:42 GMT
Jun ho and Burger both quality, are either irreplicable? If we get close to 30million for both(+ decent sell of fees). Ultimately they accounted for 5 goals and 9 assists between them. Whilst stats aren't everything and trust me I'd love be able watch Jun Ho play every week (even if for just one more season) because hes a joy to watch. That's my point. I think in the here and now they are definitely replaceable. Bae especially will go on to be a superstar but we can replace 9 goals 100% with the money we would get.
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 23, 2024 8:47:58 GMT
Of course Emre, everyone is replaceable, although both clearly good players, their output was fairly patchy, it just disrupts the whole team ethos, when there appears to be a good one developing, which is so important.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 23, 2024 8:47:58 GMT
Szmodics is very unlikely to be at this level by the time the window shuts. I haven’t got a clue whether he’ll struggle at a higher level I’ve seen him about twice. Mangoes figures would be way less impressive if it weren’t for the two goals in the last game jamboree vs Bristol City surely you don’t think that game was typical championship a game in which both teams had nothing to win or lose. I like him, I like them all that are being discussed but I think Manhoef is the less talented footballer of the three by a good margin. You can only score v what’s In front of you. Let me come back to this with some facts later because you’re wanking off over Szmodic after one good season and I currently don’t have time to put a detailed response together. Edit: I want to preface this, I’ve never seen Smodoc play unless it was against us, and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up. He did however have an unbelievable season last year which I won’t take away from him. Szmodic has scored 38 in 117 games in the champ averaged 1/8.5 and G/A every 227 minutes equates to 2.5 which is only slightly better then Manhoef, however 27 goals, yes 27 came last year alone with 4 assists. Before that 11 goals in 73 which is 1/6.5 So you want to discredit Manhoefs 2 v Bristol which is fine. But he had a very very good half season Edit: Manhoef minute per output was better then Szmodics too at 204 minute per involvement. You’re like some crazed over protective parent and you’re confusing output with technical ability. Did Dwight Yorke for instance score far more premier league goals than Arnie, obviously. Was he as technically gifted not on your Nelly. In fact he often had quite a heavy touch but developed popping the ball up instead of away from him to compensate.
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Post by hd51 on Jul 23, 2024 8:48:43 GMT
Sheffield United fans seem pretty confident they're getting Campbell
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Post by rowleyscfc on Jul 23, 2024 8:51:03 GMT
Jun ho and Burger both quality, are either irreplicable? If we get close to 30million for both(+ decent sell of fees). Ultimately they accounted for 5 goals and 9 assists between them. Whilst stats aren't everything and trust me I'd love be able watch Jun Ho play every week (even if for just one more season) because hes a joy to watch. That's my point. I think in the here and now they are definitely replaceable. Bae especially will go on to be a superstar but we can replace 9 goals 100% with the money we would get. Yeah his ceiling is defo high, he's going be a champions league level player Jun Ho, If he adds adds that final part to his game. Burgers a good solid midfielder but I do think hes 10 a penny in the prem, Like i think if the dela happened with Skipp, i think we would be getting a better deal.
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Post by st3mark on Jul 23, 2024 8:51:30 GMT
Sheffield United fans seem pretty confident they're getting Campbell Could be a good move for him. Might a be prem player in 12 months time if he goes there
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Post by baconburger on Jul 23, 2024 8:52:34 GMT
Sheffield United fans seem pretty confident they're getting Campbell Good move for him he’ll do well playing off Moore providing he gets the minutes. Best spell for him and Brown was playing off Fletcher. They’re just not lead the line CF’s.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 23, 2024 8:52:38 GMT
Sheffield United fans seem pretty confident they're getting Campbell Good move for him if true.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 23, 2024 8:53:28 GMT
You can only score v what’s In front of you. Let me come back to this with some facts later because you’re wanking off over Szmodic after one good season and I currently don’t have time to put a detailed response together. Edit: I want to preface this, I’ve never seen Smodoc play unless it was against us, and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up. He did however have an unbelievable season last year which I won’t take away from him. Szmodic has scored 38 in 117 games in the champ averaged 1/8.5 and G/A every 227 minutes equates to 2.5 which is only slightly better then Manhoef, however 27 goals, yes 27 came last year alone with 4 assists. Before that 11 goals in 73 which is 1/6.5 So you want to discredit Manhoefs 2 v Bristol which is fine. But he had a very very good half season Edit: Manhoef minute per output was better then Szmodics too at 204 minute per involvement. You’re like some crazed over protective parent and you’re confusing output with technical ability. Did Dwight Yorke for instance score far more premier league goals than Arnie, obviously. Was he as technically gifted not on your Nelly. In fact he often had quite a heavy touch but developed popping the ball up instead of away from him to compensate. Not really. Just annoying how you keep over egging SS and wont accept that MM is at least as good. As just dismissing his quality.
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Post by rowleyscfc on Jul 23, 2024 8:54:17 GMT
Sheffield United fans seem pretty confident they're getting Campbell Tye will push 15/20 if they end up playing a 2 up top with Moore an Tye, with Ohare operating behind them
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Post by scfcadams on Jul 23, 2024 8:54:27 GMT
So, presuming we sell Burger to Spurs and get Alfie Devine in return, our midfield would look like:
Johnson, Baker, Thompson, Laurent, Pearson, Sidibe, and Devine.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 23, 2024 8:54:29 GMT
If we "have to" sell one of Burger or Bae this summer it has to be Burger... I don't believe for one second that Spurs are interested though.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 23, 2024 8:55:05 GMT
So, presuming we sell Burger to Spurs and get Alfie Devine in return, our midfield would look like: Johnson, Baker, Thompson, Laurent, Pearson, Sidibe, and Devine. Where have you dreamt that up from? 😅
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Post by baconburger on Jul 23, 2024 8:56:19 GMT
Szmodics is very unlikely to be at this level by the time the window shuts. I haven’t got a clue whether he’ll struggle at a higher level I’ve seen him about twice. Mangoes figures would be way less impressive if it weren’t for the two goals in the last game jamboree vs Bristol City surely you don’t think that game was typical championship a game in which both teams had nothing to win or lose. I like him, I like them all that are being discussed but I think Manhoef is the less talented footballer of the three by a good margin. You can only score v what’s In front of you. Let me come back to this with some facts later because you’re wanking off over Szmodic after one good season and I currently don’t have time to put a detailed response together. Edit: I want to preface this, I’ve never seen Smodoc play unless it was against us, and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up. He did however have an unbelievable season last year which I won’t take away from him. Szmodic has scored 38 in 117 games in the champ averaged 1/8.5 and G/A every 227 minutes equates to 2.5 which is only slightly better then Manhoef, however 27 goals, yes 27 came last year alone with 4 assists. Before that 11 goals in 73 which is 1/6.5 So you want to discredit Manhoefs 2 v Bristol which is fine. But he had a very very good half season Edit: Manhoef minute per output was better then Szmodics too at 204 minute per involvement. In SS first season in the champ he played 35 games (and 1 in L1) scored 5 (MM 4) and 2 assists (MM 1). MM missed 3 1v1 that I would back him to score too and that’s just off the top of my head. All of that in 14 games. So less then half then SS first season. Hopefully all that context provides you with enough evidence in how mental you are being. I’m not wanking off over Szmosics I’ve probably seen him the same amount of times as you. I’m using his stats to show just how far Manhoef would have to improve his output to be considered prolific and whether he was prolific or not wouldn’t make him any better or worse technically.
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Post by scfcadams on Jul 23, 2024 9:00:49 GMT
So, presuming we sell Burger to Spurs and get Alfie Devine in return, our midfield would look like: Johnson, Baker, Thompson, Laurent, Pearson, Sidibe, and Devine. Where have you dreamt that up from? 😅 Call it a hunch
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Post by callas12 on Jul 23, 2024 9:01:32 GMT
And by January even bigger clubs will be knocking the door for Million who might well be the best of the 3 He really isn’t. Love his positivity and directness and he could end up turning us another tidy profit but technically he’s not in their league or even close to it. Interestingly in our final home match v Bristol City my Aston Villa supporting brother and nephew came along and I was bulling up both Burger & Junho as potential future Prem players. They both agreed they were good players but left the game saying Manhoef was by far and away our best player and loved his direct-ness & positivity. I get they're not footy scouts or talent spotters perse, but interesting that fans of other clubs who are currently watching good quality Prem teams and players in action chose Manhoef as their take away Stoke player of choice!
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Post by baconburger on Jul 23, 2024 9:03:00 GMT
You’re like some crazed over protective parent and you’re confusing output with technical ability. Did Dwight Yorke for instance score far more premier league goals than Arnie, obviously. Was he as technically gifted not on your Nelly. In fact he often had quite a heavy touch but developed popping the ball up instead of away from him to compensate. Not really. Just annoying how you keep over egging SS and wont accept that MM is at least as good. As just dismissing his quality. I haven’t got a clue about Szmodics game but how is it possible to over egg a goal involvement every 1.4 games over a season. You’d think we’d got Ronaldo in his prime if one of our players produced such stats even if it was only one season.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 23, 2024 9:07:38 GMT
Not really. Just annoying how you keep over egging SS and wont accept that MM is at least as good. As just dismissing his quality. I haven’t got a clue about Szmodics game but how is it possible to over egg a goal involvement every 1.4 games over a season. You’d think we’d got Ronaldo in his prime if one of our players produced such stats even if it was only one season. I give up. This is impossible.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 23, 2024 9:11:08 GMT
I haven’t got a clue about Szmodics game but how is it possible to over egg a goal involvement every 1.4 games over a season. You’d think we’d got Ronaldo in his prime if one of our players produced such stats even if it was only one season. I give up. This is impossible. Reason never works with the emotional.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 23, 2024 9:11:55 GMT
You can only score v what’s In front of you. Let me come back to this with some facts later because you’re wanking off over Szmodic after one good season and I currently don’t have time to put a detailed response together. Edit: I want to preface this, I’ve never seen Smodoc play unless it was against us, and I probably couldn’t pick him out of a line up. He did however have an unbelievable season last year which I won’t take away from him. Szmodic has scored 38 in 117 games in the champ averaged 1/8.5 and G/A every 227 minutes equates to 2.5 which is only slightly better then Manhoef, however 27 goals, yes 27 came last year alone with 4 assists. Before that 11 goals in 73 which is 1/6.5 So you want to discredit Manhoefs 2 v Bristol which is fine. But he had a very very good half season Edit: Manhoef minute per output was better then Szmodics too at 204 minute per involvement. In SS first season in the champ he played 35 games (and 1 in L1) scored 5 (MM 4) and 2 assists (MM 1). MM missed 3 1v1 that I would back him to score too and that’s just off the top of my head. All of that in 14 games. So less then half then SS first season. Hopefully all that context provides you with enough evidence in how mental you are being. I’m not wanking off over Szmosics I’ve probably seen him the same amount of times as you. I’m using his stats to show just how far Manhoef would have to improve his output to be considered prolific and whether he was prolific or not wouldn’t make him any better or worse technically. This is my last post on the matter. Output v minutes played. MM 204 SS 225 If you can’t see how good Manhoef is you never will. I’m even comparing him to your poster boy who’s scored about 25% of is CAREER goals last season.
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Post by hd51 on Jul 23, 2024 9:12:53 GMT
I haven’t got a clue about Szmodics game but how is it possible to over egg a goal involvement every 1.4 games over a season. You’d think we’d got Ronaldo in his prime if one of our players produced such stats even if it was only one season. I give up. This is impossible. I think everyone forgets Sammy Szmodics is 28 and when he was Millions age was on loan at multiple clubs recording very little goal involvements. Yes he had an incredible season last season but I agree that Manhoef probably has more qualities than Burger and could eventually go on to be sold for a lot more.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 23, 2024 9:16:20 GMT
You are mental. Bae Million Burger In that order. Wasn’t Millions output better then Bae? And he played half the games. (I don’t know, hence the question mark). He really isn’t a particularly technical player. If he gets a chance to play at a higher level he’d struggle more than the other two. Manhoef goal involvement every 3 games give or take Junho every 5 games. Neither are prolific by comparison Szmodics goal involvement every 1.4 games last season. Don’t get carried away non of our attacking players are prolific. What a bizarre conclusion. Assuming technical covers touch, dribbling, passing and shooting. I can only see Bae ahead of Million on dribbling (just) and similarly Burger may have a better shot but passing similar as Million is much better at short passes around the box.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jul 23, 2024 9:16:58 GMT
Everything I've seen of Alfie Devine screams FM legend not as good in real life.
I'm sure he'll go on to have a good career but in the limited time I've seen him play i struggled to see anything he did well.
Did OK i think at Vale. Was invisible at Plymouth.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 23, 2024 9:17:24 GMT
I give up. This is impossible. Reason never works with the emotional. Facts never work with ignorant.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 23, 2024 9:19:42 GMT
Everything I've seen of Alfie Devine screams FM legend not as good in real life. I'm sure he'll go on to have a good career but in the limited time I've seen him play i struggled to see anything he did well. Did OK i think at Vale. Was invisible at Plymouth. Was really good at Vale, I think him leaving was a big part of the wheels falling off. Absolute masterpiece from Schumacher. Gets Cundle from Plymouth who scores a massive massive goal v Sheff we’d to all but secure our survival. Means Plymouth need to go out and get a CM to replace. Take Devine from Vale which causes their wheels fall off.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 23, 2024 9:21:05 GMT
Everything I've seen of Alfie Devine screams FM legend not as good in real life. I'm sure he'll go on to have a good career but in the limited time I've seen him play i struggled to see anything he did well. Did OK i think at Vale. Was invisible at Plymouth. Plymouth fans didn't rate Devine at all. Vale fans loved him. Plymouth rated Ashley Phillips way more..who was also a loan from Spurs.
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