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Post by delilahwhy on Jul 21, 2024 7:27:12 GMT
"Midfield general"... not how I'd describe him. On his day I'd definitely describe him as "Midfield General". 99% of the time I'd describe him as "general midfield.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 21, 2024 7:29:26 GMT
There's nothing to suggest he won't either(Stansfield) unless you believe football clubs always stick to their every utterance. Of course not but it would be unusual to say such a thing, would get it if they were trying to sell him and looking to inflate a fee but to say he's not going on loan... What would be the point os saying such a thing if it wasn't what they mean? What would they gain from it? Seems far fetched to see him her on loan this window Really struggling to see a striker from the UK market that fits the bill being attainable Because it was said before they’ve done their own business that could push him further out of the picture. Then a loan or sale becomes the only sensible option whatever you’ve said previously.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 21, 2024 7:40:30 GMT
Does anyone actually know where we stand with FFP? Chiswick knows all the technical stuff but there are loads of pessimists who always try to say we haven’t got much to avoid themselves being disappointed. Broadly speaking we have quite a lot. Last years FFP losses will be nowhere near the yearly average we’re allowed over 3 years and our wage bill was significantly reduced already last season and we’ve let some big earners go since then.
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Post by northernstokie on Jul 21, 2024 7:45:23 GMT
I wonder what players he's trying to offer
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Post by gaznandi on Jul 21, 2024 7:46:00 GMT
South Korean media still pushing this...
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jul 21, 2024 7:46:03 GMT
So Baker & Laurent could be leaving. Interest in Bae and Burger, we could need a massive rebuild in midfield, from currently having considerable strength in depth, and yet we still haven't addressed the flipping lack of Strikers! I hope there is a plan Mr Walters....and not we're leaving it till just before deadline day and realising we've got a completely unbalanced squad again There's nearly 7 weeks of the window left. Give over and calm down. We’ve done perfectly good business so far and have plenty of time. I want us to get stuff done early too but sometimes you have to be patient, you could miss better opportunistic deals if you jump too early.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 21, 2024 7:51:08 GMT
So Baker & Laurent could be leaving. Interest in Bae and Burger, we could need a massive rebuild in midfield, from currently having considerable strength in depth, and yet we still haven't addressed the flipping lack of Strikers! I hope there is a plan Mr Walters....and not we're leaving it till just before deadline day and realising we've got a completely unbalanced squad again There's nearly 7 weeks of the window left. Give over and calm down. We’ve done perfectly good business so far and have plenty of time. I want us to get stuff done early too but sometimes you have to be patient, you could miss better opportunistic deals if you jump too early. Plus it’s been obvious for months that our stock of midfielders doesn’t lend itself to Schu’s preferred way of playing. He wants two 8’s/AM’s who score and create goals whilst being extremely mobile and able to play with high intensity. We don’t really have one of those without moving Junho inside.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jul 21, 2024 8:05:06 GMT
There's nearly 7 weeks of the window left. Give over and calm down. We’ve done perfectly good business so far and have plenty of time. I want us to get stuff done early too but sometimes you have to be patient, you could miss better opportunistic deals if you jump too early. Plus it’s been obvious for months that our stock of midfielders doesn’t lend itself to Schu’s preferred way of playing. He wants two 8’s/AM’s who score and create goals whilst being extremely mobile and able to play with high intensity. We don’t really have one of those without moving Junho inside. Very true, although I’m hoping Schumacher can be a bit more pragmatic in playing a way that suits the squad he has and adding in such a way to evolve into what he needs. Our midfield has far too many, “nice enough” midfielders without having many real specialist types. No hard enough no nonsense destroyers, Pearson being an utter let down for me. No tricky attacking fast players, apart from Bae moving inside. Burger has aggression and some power. I am more than happy to get rid of Baker, would definitely trade him for a player than improves another requirement. I prefer Laurent myself but would be fine getting rid of both to free up space for more appropriate players and to assist the progression of Sidibe. We have Pearson, Thompson, Sidibe, Burger, Laurent, Baker. You can choose any 3 for any game and not be sure who’s better to play where in the 3.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jul 21, 2024 8:06:52 GMT
I do worry about Etebojan’s stress levels. Let’s step back a bit and let things unfold. I think we learnt a lot last window. I’m sure there’s more of a plan.
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Post by etebojan on Jul 21, 2024 8:13:15 GMT
So Baker & Laurent could be leaving. Interest in Bae and Burger, we could need a massive rebuild in midfield, from currently having considerable strength in depth, and yet we still haven't addressed the flipping lack of Strikers! I hope there is a plan Mr Walters....and not we're leaving it till just before deadline day and realising we've got a completely unbalanced squad again There's nearly 7 weeks of the window left. Give over and calm down. We’ve done perfectly good business so far and have plenty of time. I want us to get stuff done early too but sometimes you have to be patient, you could miss better opportunistic deals if you jump too early. Sorry lads...all good points...i'll go and have a cup of tea
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jul 21, 2024 8:15:29 GMT
I wonder what players he's trying to offer I don’t know whether this is good news but we’ve already got Ennis so there’s one they can’t offer us…
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Post by baconburger on Jul 21, 2024 8:20:42 GMT
I wonder what players he's trying to offer I don’t know whether this is good news but we’ve already got Ennis so there’s one they can’t offer us… We’re crying out for strikers and 8/AM’s have they got any other than Smodic (sp) we’d want?
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Post by march4 on Jul 21, 2024 9:20:12 GMT
Good news if we can get money for Baker and Laurent.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jul 21, 2024 9:23:26 GMT
Good news if we can get money for Baker and Laurent. If we could raise £1.5m for the pair and sign Cundle for the same amount it would be really good business.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jul 21, 2024 9:28:07 GMT
Unfortunately can’t see Baker going to Blackburn. They are skint and won’t pay big wages, I’m sure he would rather chance his arm on a free next summer.
Baker, Laurent and Johnson are all ok squad players but not good enough to be regular starters for us and don’t really fit in with Schumacher’s style.
Ideally we can get rid of any 2 from the three and keep one as back up. Use the spaces for two new starters alongside Burger.
Doubt we will get much money for them though and defo don’t see Blackburn affording them. The problem we will have is that while they aren’t good enough for regular starters, it might not be that easy to replace them with someone better for the little money we will get for them. Most of the money we have needs to go towards a striker.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jul 21, 2024 9:34:04 GMT
There's nearly 7 weeks of the window left. Give over and calm down. We’ve done perfectly good business so far and have plenty of time. I want us to get stuff done early too but sometimes you have to be patient, you could miss better opportunistic deals if you jump too early. Sorry lads...all good points...i'll go and have a cup of tea We all feel where you’re coming from dude, being a Stoke fan for so many years gives you right to be reticent. Just think we can ease ourselves in and maybe start the panic a little if we get to the first game or the Carlisle game with no more solid stuff for forward recruitment. Even then there will be 3 weeks left I guess. Much love Stokies
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jul 21, 2024 9:54:52 GMT
I don’t know whether this is good news but we’ve already got Ennis so there’s one they can’t offer us… We’re crying out for strikers and 8/AM’s have they got any other than Smodic (sp) we’d want? Not that we’d get without throwing some extra cash their way.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 21, 2024 9:58:10 GMT
Good news if we can get money for Baker and Laurent. If we could raise £1.5m for the pair and sign Cundle for the same amount it would be really good business. Yup a player the HC wants at no outlay and a significant reduction to the wage bill I would have thought. What’s not to like??
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Post by baconburger on Jul 21, 2024 10:00:41 GMT
We’re crying out for strikers and 8/AM’s have they got any other than Smodic (sp) we’d want? Not that we’d get without throwing some extra cash their way. I’ve only really seen them when we play them so no idea whether they have good young prospects that might be worth giving them a few quid they’ll need it to pay Baker no doubt. Until they sell Smodics at least.
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Post by theteacher on Jul 21, 2024 10:08:34 GMT
I think we’ll go for one of each one homegrown and one euro. Better value in europe but bigger risk as they may take time to settle. Don’t think we have the budget for that 1 striker in We have Ennis and Mmaee along with the two young strikers (Tezgel and Lowe) so I can only see the one also coming in to compliment what we have - so a large hard running forward who can hold the ball and can occupy the defence. Woukd need to lose two minimum to allow two new ones imo.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 21, 2024 10:11:30 GMT
Don’t think we have the budget for that 1 striker in We have Ennis and Mmaee along with the two young strikers (Tezegal and Lowe) so I can only see the one also coming in to compliment what we have - so a large hard running forward who can hold the ball and can occupy the defence. Woukd need to lose two minimum to allow two new ones imo. I think and hope the two youngsters will go out on loan. So two minimum 1 perm one loan.
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Post by lordb on Jul 21, 2024 10:22:39 GMT
Good news if we can get money for Baker and Laurent. Baker deal is a proposed swap and Laurent is a reported £500k asking price (in last year of his contract) We are not making a bundle here although potentially the wage bill would be lighter Of the two would rather keep Baker
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jul 21, 2024 10:22:44 GMT
Not that we’d get without throwing some extra cash their way. I’ve only really seen them when we play them so no idea whether they have good young prospects that might be worth giving them a few quid they’ll need it to pay Baker no doubt. Until they sell Smodics at least. Yeah, most of the players others have suggested like Travis will cost a couple of million more than they’d ever consider giving us for Baker.
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Post by ljc on Jul 21, 2024 10:27:44 GMT
I hope tezgel stays and doesn’t go out on loan, he had a good loan spell last year, proved himself in the under 23s aswell. I rate him higher then ennis and mmaee. Would like to ship out Lowe for the season but really hope tezgel is given a chance with us.
I’m not sure ennis or mmaee or good enough from what they showed last year, would rather see them leave than have tezgel have another year away
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 21, 2024 10:31:37 GMT
I hope tezgel stays and doesn’t go out on loan, he had a good loan spell last year, proved himself in the under 23s aswell. I rate him higher then ennis and mmaee. Would like to ship out Lowe for the season but really hope tezgel is given a chance with us. I’m not sure ennis or mmaee or good enough from what they showed last year, would rather see them leave than have tezgel have another year away You've got to remember Tezgels loan was League 2. That's a hell of a jump from League 2 to Championship You can't say Mmaee isn't good enough after a mostly injury hit and that other issue season where he did have some decent performances..but then say Tezgel who did well at League 2 level is good enough. That makes no sense. I think Tezgel will become good enough. But I think if we can get atleast 1 striker in then a loan in League 1 will suit him. He needs to be tested there.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jul 21, 2024 10:32:06 GMT
I hope tezgel stays and doesn’t go out on loan, he had a good loan spell last year, proved himself in the under 23s aswell. I rate him higher then ennis and mmaee. Would like to ship out Lowe for the season but really hope tezgel is given a chance with us. I’m not sure ennis or mmaee or good enough from what they showed last year, would rather see them leave than have tezgel have another year away I would rather both Tezgel and Lowe go out on loan for a full season and to get regular minutes on them. We will then have a better idea how close they are to championship ready. A new striker with most of our budget, Mmaee and Ennis should be sufficient. Obviously if Mmaee or Ennis go they would need replacing. Mmaee still has the potential to adapt and kick on. Ennis is perfectly fine for a 3rd choice striker.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 21, 2024 10:36:50 GMT
Tezgel only has a year left on his deal, is that correct? Needs to sign a new one before going on loan again for me.
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Post by northernstokie on Jul 21, 2024 10:39:22 GMT
Good news if we can get money for Baker and Laurent. Baker deal is a proposed swap and Laurent is a reported £500k asking price (in last year of his contract) We are not making a bundle here although potentially the wage bill would be lighter Of the two would rather keep Baker We were never going to get a lot for them but if we have money to spend then it might just be a case of get them of the wage bill. And if we can get a little back to top up the fund then that's fine.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 21, 2024 10:40:35 GMT
Tezgel needs to be in the match day squad for many reasons.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 21, 2024 10:45:04 GMT
Tezgel needs to be in the match day squad for many reasons. If it's a choice between him or Lowe to make the matchday squad then it should absolutely be Tezgel. But surely the ideal scenario would be we sign atleast 1 striker (2 would be a bonus)...which would allow Emre a league 1 loan and full game time instead of being a bench player for us. Don't get me wrong i'd be okay with him being in the matchday squad as I think he's quality. But just don't want him being a bench player if the chance of a loan with full game time is available.
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