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Post by baconburger on Jul 21, 2024 10:46:27 GMT
Tezgel needs to be in the match day squad for many reasons. Makes no sense unless he's on the pitch and I haven't seen much to suggest he should be in the friendlies despite a couple of goals. Baker (Lowe) was far more involved vs Cork, Tezgel was pretty invisible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2024 10:48:49 GMT
Would be a great summer if we could offload Baker and Laurent. If we could throw in Johnson, and Pearson too when he returns then it's borderline orgasmic.
Gooooarrrrnnnnn Jon.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 21, 2024 10:52:36 GMT
Tezgel needs to be in the match day squad for many reasons. If it's a choice between him or Lowe to make the matchday squad then it should absolutely be Tezgel. But surely the ideal scenario would be we sign atleast 1 striker (2 would be a bonus)...which would allow Emre a league 1 loan and full game time instead of being a bench player for us. Don't get me wrong i'd be okay with him being in the matchday squad as I think he's quality. But just don't want him being a bench player if the chance of a loan with full game time is available. A loan means imo he has no future here. It’s absolutely not the time to be sending him out on loan and sends all the wrong signals.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jul 21, 2024 10:58:58 GMT
If it's a choice between him or Lowe to make the matchday squad then it should absolutely be Tezgel. But surely the ideal scenario would be we sign atleast 1 striker (2 would be a bonus)...which would allow Emre a league 1 loan and full game time instead of being a bench player for us. Don't get me wrong i'd be okay with him being in the matchday squad as I think he's quality. But just don't want him being a bench player if the chance of a loan with full game time is available. A loan means imo he has no future here. It’s absolutely not the time to be sending him out on loan and sends all the wrong signals. It’s the balance isn’t it. We will have got him to sign his most recent contract with “route to the first team” type assurances. Another loan will possibly get him thinking he’d get better opportunities elsewhere and you risk losing him for compensation. Again, it ties into the direction where the club have to insist, as with Sidibe, that he gets game time in the first team so he can measure his own progress. For the good of the club as a whole.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 21, 2024 11:00:49 GMT
Would be a great summer if we could offload Baker and Laurent. If we could throw in Johnson, and Pearson too when he returns then it's borderline orgasmic. Gooooarrrrnnnnn Jon. Yeah its a shame AN hasn't got another job yet.
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Post by ljc on Jul 21, 2024 11:03:30 GMT
I hope tezgel stays and doesn’t go out on loan, he had a good loan spell last year, proved himself in the under 23s aswell. I rate him higher then ennis and mmaee. Would like to ship out Lowe for the season but really hope tezgel is given a chance with us. I’m not sure ennis or mmaee or good enough from what they showed last year, would rather see them leave than have tezgel have another year away You've got to remember Tezgels loan was League 2. That's a hell of a jump from League 2 to Championship You can't say Mmaee isn't good enough after a mostly injury hit and that other issue season where he did have some decent performances..but then say Tezgel who did well at League 2 level is good enough. That makes no sense. I think Tezgel will become good enough. But I think if we can get atleast 1 striker in then a loan in League 1 will suit him. He needs to be tested there. Mmaee was ok in a few games, but nothing I would stretch to say he was decent, it’s just my opinion that I wasn’t impressed with him or ennis last year, and feel tezgel has done all the the right things at the right levels and I think we should be giving him a chance to show it. Yes I know he is young but if your good enough your good enough, and I just have a feeling he will be. I’m really keen to see him as one of our main forwards this season.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 21, 2024 11:04:34 GMT
If it's a choice between him or Lowe to make the matchday squad then it should absolutely be Tezgel. But surely the ideal scenario would be we sign atleast 1 striker (2 would be a bonus)...which would allow Emre a league 1 loan and full game time instead of being a bench player for us. Don't get me wrong i'd be okay with him being in the matchday squad as I think he's quality. But just don't want him being a bench player if the chance of a loan with full game time is available. A loan means imo he has no future here. It’s absolutely not the time to be sending him out on loan and sends all the wrong signals. As someone else posted we'd ideally get him to extend before sending him out on loan.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 21, 2024 11:06:58 GMT
You've got to remember Tezgels loan was League 2. That's a hell of a jump from League 2 to Championship You can't say Mmaee isn't good enough after a mostly injury hit and that other issue season where he did have some decent performances..but then say Tezgel who did well at League 2 level is good enough. That makes no sense. I think Tezgel will become good enough. But I think if we can get atleast 1 striker in then a loan in League 1 will suit him. He needs to be tested there. Mmaee was ok in a few games, but nothing I would stretch to say he was decent, it’s just my opinion that I wasn’t impressed with him or ennis last year, and feel tezgel has done all the the right things at the right levels and I think we should be giving him a chance to show it. Yes I know he is young but if your good enough your good enough, and I just have a feeling he will be. I’m really keen to see him as one of our main forwards this season. I'm not I think that would be a ridiculous gamble on one high potential player who did very little of note in league two last season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 21, 2024 11:08:08 GMT
A loan means imo he has no future here. It’s absolutely not the time to be sending him out on loan and sends all the wrong signals. It’s the balance isn’t it. We will have got him to sign his most recent contract with “route to the first team” type assurances. Another loan will possibly get him thinking he’d get better opportunities elsewhere and you risk losing him for compensation. Again, it ties into the direction where the club have to insist, as with Sidibe, that he gets game time in the first team so he can measure his own progress. For the good of the club as a whole. Absolutely. And if I was him and a loan was being mentioned now, I’d hand in a transfer request and move to somewhere I’m going to get more game time even if it’s down the leagues. Between sending the wrong one out on loan last season and injuries, we’ve fanneyed around with him too much already.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 21, 2024 11:12:33 GMT
It’s the balance isn’t it. We will have got him to sign his most recent contract with “route to the first team” type assurances. Another loan will possibly get him thinking he’d get better opportunities elsewhere and you risk losing him for compensation. Again, it ties into the direction where the club have to insist, as with Sidibe, that he gets game time in the first team so he can measure his own progress. For the good of the club as a whole. Absolutely. And if I was him and a loan was being mentioned now, I’d hand in a transfer request and move to somewhere I’m going to get more game time even if it’s down the leagues. Between sending the wrong one out on loan last season and injuries, we’ve fanneyed around with him too much already. So if you were him what would you expect? Him going from not being guaranteed starts in league two to starting for us would be a piss take. If he wants to stay and play a few minutes here and there more fool him.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 21, 2024 11:15:00 GMT
I'd play Tezgal as much as possible,can see him getting 10+ goals,which would be a good return in his 1st full season,which would lead to more goals in the comming seasons.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jul 21, 2024 11:15:34 GMT
It’s the balance isn’t it. We will have got him to sign his most recent contract with “route to the first team” type assurances. Another loan will possibly get him thinking he’d get better opportunities elsewhere and you risk losing him for compensation. Again, it ties into the direction where the club have to insist, as with Sidibe, that he gets game time in the first team so he can measure his own progress. For the good of the club as a whole. Absolutely. And if I was him and a loan was being mentioned now, I’d hand in a transfer request and move to somewhere I’m going to get more game time even if it’s down the leagues. Between sending the wrong one out on loan last season and injuries, we’ve fanneyed around with him too much already. For sure. Out of him and Lowe he is so far ahead and a much better prospect of having a top career. Given the chances and game time Lowe got here last season I think he’d have shown more. If we loan him out we may never see him in a stoke shirt again, he’ll probably be right off if he does only have 1 year on his contract. We need to give him some good minutes in August-October and try to put some persuasive points to him to sign a long term deal.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 21, 2024 11:17:48 GMT
Absolutely. And if I was him and a loan was being mentioned now, I’d hand in a transfer request and move to somewhere I’m going to get more game time even if it’s down the leagues. Between sending the wrong one out on loan last season and injuries, we’ve fanneyed around with him too much already. For sure. Out of him and Lowe he is so far ahead and a much better prospect of having a top career. Given the chances and game time Lowe got here last season I think he’d have shown more. If we loan him out we may never see him in a stoke shirt again, he’ll probably be right off if he does only have 1 year on his contract. We need to give him some good minutes in August-October and try to put some persuasive points to him to sign a long term deal. Sacrifice another season for the sake of Tezgel. No thanks.
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Post by karl on Jul 21, 2024 11:24:47 GMT
Good news if we can get money for Baker and Laurent. Baker deal is a proposed swap and Laurent is a reported £500k asking price (in last year of his contract) We are not making a bundle here although potentially the wage bill would be lighter Of the two would rather keep Baker We don't need either.
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Post by lordb on Jul 21, 2024 11:28:27 GMT
For sure. Out of him and Lowe he is so far ahead and a much better prospect of having a top career. Given the chances and game time Lowe got here last season I think he’d have shown more. If we loan him out we may never see him in a stoke shirt again, he’ll probably be right off if he does only have 1 year on his contract. We need to give him some good minutes in August-October and try to put some persuasive points to him to sign a long term deal. Sacrifice another season for the sake of Tezgel. No thanks. Ideally we sign a better quality striker than we have had however if we can't achieve that would rather play Tezgel than sign an average player
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 21, 2024 11:30:23 GMT
For sure. Out of him and Lowe he is so far ahead and a much better prospect of having a top career. Given the chances and game time Lowe got here last season I think he’d have shown more. If we loan him out we may never see him in a stoke shirt again, he’ll probably be right off if he does only have 1 year on his contract. We need to give him some good minutes in August-October and try to put some persuasive points to him to sign a long term deal. Sacrifice another season for the sake of Tezgel. No thanks. But he might cut it, you don't know. I've seen a load of bang average strikers have mega seasons in this league.
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Post by stormin on Jul 21, 2024 11:33:37 GMT
Tezgel needs to be in the match day squad for many reasons. Makes no sense unless he's on the pitch and I haven't seen much to suggest he should be in the friendlies despite a couple of goals. Baker (Lowe) was far more involved vs Cork, Tezgel was pretty invisible. I don't know Stoke are cagey about teenage players, Man U have just paid £60 million for Leny Yoro and pretty certain they will play him, Grrenwood and Rooney were also first team teenage players.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 21, 2024 11:35:37 GMT
Sacrifice another season for the sake of Tezgel. No thanks. But he might cut it, you don't know. I've seen a load of bang average strikers have mega seasons in this league. Of course he could. I just think it's highly unlikely.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 21, 2024 11:36:54 GMT
Makes no sense unless he's on the pitch and I haven't seen much to suggest he should be in the friendlies despite a couple of goals. Baker (Lowe) was far more involved vs Cork, Tezgel was pretty invisible. I don't know Stoke are cagey about teenage players, Man U have just paid £60 million for Leny Yoro and pretty certain they will play him, Grrenwood and Rooney were also first team teenage players. It's not just about his age. He's a youngster who had minimal impact in league two a few months ago.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 21, 2024 11:47:36 GMT
Sacrifice another season for the sake of Tezgel. No thanks. Ideally we sign a better quality striker than we have had however if we can't achieve that would rather play Tezgel than sign an average player Dunno. I'm just going to be pretty pissed off with the club if we can't/don't.
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Post by lordb on Jul 21, 2024 11:52:14 GMT
Ideally we sign a better quality striker than we have had however if we can't achieve that would rather play Tezgel than sign an average player Dunno. I'm just going to be pretty pissed off with the club if we can't/don't. Yes and no Looks really hard to get a good one
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Post by baconburger on Jul 21, 2024 11:59:11 GMT
Dunno. I'm just going to be pretty pissed off with the club if we can't/don't. Yes and no Looks really hard to get a good one I don't know you've implied a lack of money/ffp headroom which is non sensical from my point of view. Our FFP situation isn't a guessing game where any number you pick has just as good a chance of being correct as any other. Our loss in the bet365 accounts was not excessive in terms of a third of what's allowed by FFP over the 3 year cycle and there are loads of non FFP expenses that we will be able to remove from that to calculate our FFP headroom. Basically John Coates would have had to have had some drastic change of heart from his public statements for us not to have more than enough headroom to compete for any striker likely to be open to playing at our level. That's not out of the question but it would be a surprise.
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Post by thornestein on Jul 21, 2024 12:18:26 GMT
If it's a choice between him or Lowe to make the matchday squad then it should absolutely be Tezgel. But surely the ideal scenario would be we sign atleast 1 striker (2 would be a bonus)...which would allow Emre a league 1 loan and full game time instead of being a bench player for us. Don't get me wrong i'd be okay with him being in the matchday squad as I think he's quality. But just don't want him being a bench player if the chance of a loan with full game time is available. A loan means imo he has no future here. It’s absolutely not the time to be sending him out on loan and sends all the wrong signals. give him a new contract before the loan , simple really
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Post by LGH87 on Jul 21, 2024 12:27:45 GMT
Dunno. I'm just going to be pretty pissed off with the club if we can't/don't. Yes and no Looks really hard to get a good one There must be a striker somewhere in the world we can sign that fits the bill. Fucking Blackburn never struggle for a goalscorer for example yet we’ve not had anyone hit 15 for 16 years😂
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 21, 2024 12:31:43 GMT
The real problem for me is Ennis. I’d be quite happy with Tezgel, Mmaee and a new signing as our striker pool. I’d be sending Lowe out on loan and hopefully we can get rid of Nigel Ennis, although I can’t see that happening either.
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Post by nonameface on Jul 21, 2024 12:35:12 GMT
The real problem for me is Ennis. I’d be quite happy with Tezgel, Mmaee and a new signing as our striker pool. I’d be sending Lowe out on loan and hopefully we can get rid of Nigel Ennis, although I can’t see that happening either. This. Feels like it was a cheap panic signing so we had a mobile forward at the club for a relegation fight. Mmaee is a good technical option, we just need a better version of Ennis as the alternative and then have Tezgel as the third choice. We don’t need more than that with only playing one striker.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2024 12:42:59 GMT
The real problem for me is Ennis. I’d be quite happy with Tezgel, Mmaee and a new signing as our striker pool. I’d be sending Lowe out on loan and hopefully we can get rid of Nigel Ennis, although I can’t see that happening either. I think that Ennis will end up doing okay to be honest. He’ll be a decent squad player and not much else. I don’t see Mmaee doing anything other than getting in Tezgel’s way for development. Mmaee’s apparent strength being his ability to link up play; I’d rather Tezgel be given that chance. Ennis is a bull in a china shop and most teams have one of those to chuck on and chase balloons when you are 1-0 up with ten minutes to go.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jul 21, 2024 12:46:33 GMT
The real problem for me is Ennis. I’d be quite happy with Tezgel, Mmaee and a new signing as our striker pool. I’d be sending Lowe out on loan and hopefully we can get rid of Nigel Ennis, although I can’t see that happening either. Good old Nigel Ennis 😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 21, 2024 12:51:37 GMT
Absolutely. And if I was him and a loan was being mentioned now, I’d hand in a transfer request and move to somewhere I’m going to get more game time even if it’s down the leagues. Between sending the wrong one out on loan last season and injuries, we’ve fanneyed around with him too much already. For sure. Out of him and Lowe he is so far ahead and a much better prospect of having a top career. Given the chances and game time Lowe got here last season I think he’d have shown more. If we loan him out we may never see him in a stoke shirt again, he’ll probably be right off if he does only have 1 year on his contract. We need to give him some good minutes in August-October and try to put some persuasive points to him to sign a long term deal. Spot on.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 21, 2024 12:52:13 GMT
A loan means imo he has no future here. It’s absolutely not the time to be sending him out on loan and sends all the wrong signals. give him a new contract before the loan , simple really Why would he sign one if he’s being loaned out again?
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