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Post by clarkeda on Jul 14, 2024 10:04:08 GMT
Vidigal looked nowhere near good enough for a promotion challenging team after his initial early season flurry. He looked lacking pace, lacking in physicality and it wasn’t clear where his best position was (or if he even has one). If we’re pinning our hopes on Vidigal and Mmaee to get us the 30-40 goals our forwards will need to provide then we might as well prepare for another season of nothingness. Shall we give him a chance this season first. He looked great until Millwall injured him last year. Hasn't he posted how much he has been working on his fitness and strength over the summer. He obviously isn't going to throw in the towel which shows determination so if that can be translated to the pitch great news. Whatever his weaknesses, his one strength is scoring and we are desperately short of natural goal scorers Like most of the squad tbh, he looked like he’d gained a yard of pace v Chester.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 14, 2024 10:15:49 GMT
Shall we give him a chance this season first. He looked great until Millwall injured him last year. Hasn't he posted how much he has been working on his fitness and strength over the summer. He obviously isn't going to throw in the towel which shows determination so if that can be translated to the pitch great news. Whatever his weaknesses, his one strength is scoring and we are desperately short of natural goal scorers Like most of the squad tbh, he looked like he’d gained a yard of pace v Chester. Or Chester were a yard slower than the championship 😉
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Post by lordb on Jul 14, 2024 10:21:18 GMT
Like most of the squad tbh, he looked like he’d gained a yard of pace v Chester. Or Chester were a yard slower than the championship 😉 Well there is that Not a big fan of taking much much notice of friendlies however it was refreshing to see Stoke players, all of them, looking really sharp in the first friendly
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 14, 2024 10:21:59 GMT
Like most of the squad tbh, he looked like he’d gained a yard of pace v Chester. Or Chester were a yard slower than the championship 😉 Quick players are quick, doesn’t matter the league. Just because Usain Bolt can run a sub 10 second 100, doesn’t mean he should play for Real Madrid.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 14, 2024 10:22:57 GMT
Or Chester were a yard slower than the championship 😉 Quick players are quick, doesn’t matter the league. Just because Usain Bolt can run a sub 10 second 100, doesn’t mean he should play for Real Madrid. And slow players are slow. Vidigal looked like he was sprinting in reverse at times.
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Post by march4 on Jul 14, 2024 10:23:14 GMT
The problem we face is that we are two strikers down on last season already and are left with three strikers who look like they won’t contribute much plus 2 promising youngsters.
How we look after Tezgel and Lowe is a big deal but I don’t think we should be expecting them to be our main strikers yet.
If we jettison Mmaee, Vidigal and Ennis, then we need 3 new strikers.
My preferred option would be to sign a striker of our own plus a loanee. Of Mmaee, Vidigal and Ennis, I think Ennis is the one to keep just to run around in the last few minutes of a game.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 14, 2024 10:24:11 GMT
Quick players are quick, doesn’t matter the league. Just because Usain Bolt can run a sub 10 second 100, doesn’t mean he should play for Real Madrid. And slow players are slow. Vidigal looked like he was sprinting in reverse at times. Against Chester or last season? I’ve said he looks a yard faster?
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Post by march4 on Jul 14, 2024 10:25:00 GMT
Quick players are quick, doesn’t matter the league. Just because Usain Bolt can run a sub 10 second 100, doesn’t mean he should play for Real Madrid. And slow players are slow. Vidigal looked like he was sprinting in reverse at times. And then there’s the times he ends up on the floor with his opponent in possession of the ball
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Post by lordb on Jul 14, 2024 10:26:16 GMT
And slow players are slow. Vidigal looked like he was sprinting in reverse at times. Against Chester or last season? I’ve said he looks a yard faster? He looked sharp, and stronger, v Chester was also impressed with Baker
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 14, 2024 10:26:33 GMT
And slow players are slow. Vidigal looked like he was sprinting in reverse at times. Against Chester or last season? I’ve said he looks a yard faster? Last season. I don’t think we can gauge much against a side as poor as Chester tbh.
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Post by march4 on Jul 14, 2024 10:27:30 GMT
Against Chester or last season? I’ve said he looks a yard faster? Last season. I don’t think we can gauge much against a side as poor as Chester tbh. Correct.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 14, 2024 10:27:43 GMT
Yes we seem to agree on that completely(very unusual). What we’re at odds on is how you go about rectifying that problem. If they’re the back up on the bench we could get away with it. But we need better and more consistent. Maybe Tezgel if he’s ready, if not then we need new signings. I just don't get where anyone is coming from suggesting Tezgel might even replace their meagre output. Manhoef 1 in 3 goal involvements, Mmaee 1 in 4, Junho 1 in 5, Tezgel 1 in 6 in league two.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 14, 2024 10:28:06 GMT
Against Chester or last season? I’ve said he looks a yard faster? He looked sharp, and stronger, v Chester was also impressed with Baker Again, can we really gauge against a very poor side who themselves are probably significantly lacking in fitness and conditioning at this stage? He was consistently outpaced last season. Even if he’s much fitter he’s not going to get any faster.
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Post by lordb on Jul 14, 2024 10:28:14 GMT
The problem we face is that we are two strikers down on last season already and are left with three strikers who look like they won’t contribute much plus 2 promising youngsters. How we look after Tezgel and Lowe is a big deal but I don’t think we should be expecting them to be our main strikers yet. If we jettison Mmaee, Vidigal and Ennis, then we need 3 new strikers. My preferred option would be to sign a striker of our own plus a loanee. Of Mmaee, Vidigal and Ennis, I think Ennis is the one to keep just to run around in the last few minutes of a game. It's actually 2 strikers, Mmaee and Ennis plus Tezgel and Lowe Despite this I'm certain we will see a decent increase in goals scored this season due to the attacking approach as opposed to AN cautious approach Manhoef makes a huge difference
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Post by potterrotter on Jul 14, 2024 10:28:35 GMT
I have a feeling vidigal will come good this season. Give the guy a chance.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 14, 2024 10:29:06 GMT
If they’re the back up on the bench we could get away with it. But we need better and more consistent. Maybe Tezgel if he’s ready, if not then we need new signings. I just don't get where anyone is coming from suggesting Tezgel might even replace their meagre output. Manhoef 1 in 3 goal involvements, Mmaee 1 in 4, Junho 1 in 5, Tezgel 1 in 6 in league two. Well it’s not really setting him a very high bar. If he got 2 or 3 he’s close to matching their output.
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Post by lordb on Jul 14, 2024 10:29:26 GMT
Against Chester or last season? I’ve said he looks a yard faster? Last season. I don’t think we can gauge much against a side as poor as Chester tbh. Not in terms of whether we are any good or not but the players were noticeably quick and in Videgal case stronger than last we saw
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Post by march4 on Jul 14, 2024 10:29:34 GMT
The problem we face is that we are two strikers down on last season already and are left with three strikers who look like they won’t contribute much plus 2 promising youngsters. How we look after Tezgel and Lowe is a big deal but I don’t think we should be expecting them to be our main strikers yet. If we jettison Mmaee, Vidigal and Ennis, then we need 3 new strikers. My preferred option would be to sign a striker of our own plus a loanee. Of Mmaee, Vidigal and Ennis, I think Ennis is the one to keep just to run around in the last few minutes of a game. It's actually 2 strikers, Mmaee and Ennis plus Tezgel and Lowe Despite this I'm certain we will see a decent increase in goals scored this season due to the attacking approach as opposed to AN cautious approach Manhoef makes a huge difference From that Vidigal is totally out of the picture.
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Post by lordb on Jul 14, 2024 10:30:24 GMT
If they’re the back up on the bench we could get away with it. But we need better and more consistent. Maybe Tezgel if he’s ready, if not then we need new signings. I just don't get where anyone is coming from suggesting Tezgel might even replace their meagre output. Manhoef 1 in 3 goal involvements, Mmaee 1 in 4, Junho 1 in 5, Tezgel 1 in 6 in league two. Tez scored 3 goals for MK not 1
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 14, 2024 10:30:30 GMT
I have a feeling vidigal will come good this season. Give the guy a chance. He got plenty last season. He was flouncing around and looking highly disinterested for most of it. He only gets a chance if we can’t get better in. And that really shouldn’t be difficult.
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Post by lordb on Jul 14, 2024 10:30:48 GMT
It's actually 2 strikers, Mmaee and Ennis plus Tezgel and Lowe Despite this I'm certain we will see a decent increase in goals scored this season due to the attacking approach as opposed to AN cautious approach Manhoef makes a huge difference From that Vidigal is totally out of the picture. Videgal isn't a striker he's a wide player
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Post by baconburger on Jul 14, 2024 10:30:59 GMT
A huge number of players go on to have a much better second season than their first in this league and as a fan base we have a history of writing players off too quickly. We’ve seen glimpses of greatness from both Mmaee and Vidigal, give them another season to show us what they’ve got and if they’ve still not improved then move them on. If we sell them to championship rivals they’ll probably both go and get promoted somehow and be worth £10m+ So don't get rid of them but don't rely on them either. Seems pretty obvious to me. We don't need to make room on the wage bill to bring players in they just move down the pecking order and they'll get opportunities from the bench to prove their improvement or otherwise.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 14, 2024 10:31:00 GMT
Last season. I don’t think we can gauge much against a side as poor as Chester tbh. Not in terms of whether we are any good or not but the players were noticeably quick and in Videgal case stronger than last we saw In comparison to them.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 14, 2024 10:31:13 GMT
Against Chester or last season? I’ve said he looks a yard faster? Last season. I don’t think we can gauge much against a side as poor as Chester tbh. Pace is pace though. It doesn’t matter against the opposition.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 14, 2024 10:33:11 GMT
Last season. I don’t think we can gauge much against a side as poor as Chester tbh. Pace is pace though. It doesn’t matter against the opposition. And he doesn’t have it. As was proved every time he tried to take someone on last season. You can improve skills. You can bulk up physically. You are either quick or you’re not. And Vidigal is not quick.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 14, 2024 10:34:45 GMT
Shall we give him a chance this season first. He looked great until Millwall injured him last year. Hasn't he posted how much he has been working on his fitness and strength over the summer. He obviously isn't going to throw in the towel which shows determination so if that can be translated to the pitch great news. Whatever his weaknesses, his one strength is scoring and we are desperately short of natural goal scorers I’ll be honest I thought he was terrible last season after that purple patch early on. He looked disinterested and contributed very little. I might be being very harsh but if we’re serious about a top 6 bid then I would consider him bench at best. And thats exactly what he is. He was a cheap signing that can play across the front 3 and actually got some returns. He’s ideal for the bench.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 14, 2024 10:36:33 GMT
I just don't get where anyone is coming from suggesting Tezgel might even replace their meagre output. Manhoef 1 in 3 goal involvements, Mmaee 1 in 4, Junho 1 in 5, Tezgel 1 in 6 in league two. Well it’s not really setting him a very high bar. If he got 2 or 3 he’s close to matching their output. He isn't. In terms of goal involvements ie goals scored and assisted he's significantly worse than any of the others mentioned at a standard two leagues below where he wasn't even a guaranteed starter never mind regular goal scorer 3 goals no assists in 17. Another league two loan with us looking to move him upto league one in January if he's ripping it up in league two imo.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 14, 2024 10:37:18 GMT
I’ll be honest I thought he was terrible last season after that purple patch early on. He looked disinterested and contributed very little. I might be being very harsh but if we’re serious about a top 6 bid then I would consider him bench at best. And thats exactly what he is. He was a cheap signing that can play across the front 3 and actually got some returns. He’s ideal for the bench. As back up and on the bench he’s fine.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 14, 2024 10:39:44 GMT
Well it’s not really setting him a very high bar. If he got 2 or 3 he’s close to matching their output. He isn't. In terms of goal involvements ie goals scored and assisted he's significantly worse than any of the others mentioned at a standard two leagues below where he wasn't even a guaranteed starter never mind regular goal scorer 3 goals no assists in 17. Another league two loan with us looking to move him upto league one in January if he's ripping it up in league two imo. At his age he’s on a much higher trajectory of improvment. Players his age improve rapidly. 6 months is massive for a player his age. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a much better player than he was last season. That’s much less likely for the older players who aren’t still developing physically.
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Post by baconburger on Jul 14, 2024 10:44:03 GMT
Pace is pace though. It doesn’t matter against the opposition. And he doesn’t have it. As was proved every time he tried to take someone on last season. You can improve skills. You can bulk up physically. You are either quick or you’re not. And Vidigal is not quick. He could improve significantly just by "manning up" between the ears. I'd be concerned if he's starting games on the evidence of his performances from about October onwards but pretty comfortable with him as a cheap squad option getting opportunities to prove something has changed.
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